Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[RH9]

I didn't mean to. Also, SK please kill your scumreads.

[RH9]

It is optimal for both Town and you that Mafia dies.

[RH9]

VOTE: Scorpious

My signature feels awfully fitting.

Stop, you shouldn’t be here and you know it.

RH9 gave you the game.

Will you feel better if I redeem myself?

[RH9]

I think we no vote today and leave it in the hands of the SK? I don't know, I'm sick of this game and want to lose already.

I don't want to lose.

[RH9]

I'm pretty sure a town advantage can be found in all of this. When I'm no longer celebrating, I'll find it. Off the top of my head, at least we only lost 1 town. What that means, I have no idea, but it's a start.

We lost the IC.

[RH9]

I admit that I am losing my hope right now.

[RH9]

i'm wondering if people could post readlists for my benefit, would be nice to see where everyone's at

Town

Save The Dragons, RH9
Scorpious, Jacket
Nathann, Looker

Null

This is just temporary.

[RH9]

@Cook Is my colour choice all right with you?

[RH9]

We can all agree on Looker, then?

[RH9]

i'm wondering if people could post readlists for my benefit, would be nice to see where everyone's at

scorp
nathann
rh9
looker

least to most willing to vote. RH9 moved down because of his voting stunt last phase.

It was not a stunt. I actually didn't read the deadline.

[RH9]

Looker, I have this theory which might seem unbelievable.

[RH9]

What if a scum player fakeclaims a PR but the real PR is too scared to CC?
(I said that it's unbelievable and even I don't believe in this but it is likely.)

[RH9]

I don’t put any stock in activity the last 10 days or so. I don’t know where everyone is geographically but if you’re in the US it gets busy

I comprehend.

[RH9]

rh9 has done one too many hinky things i think i think i might prefer that to looker now

STD, define hinky.

[RH9]

rh9 has done one too many hinky things i think i think i might prefer that to looker now

STD, define hinky.

weird

scummy

Oh. Thank you.

[RH9]

@Cook VC please

[RH9]

STD, can I apologise for my 1229? It just popped into my mind and I didn't mean to upset you.

[RH9]

huh?

I actually think that you are the Vig but it came into my mind that if I was SK, I might fakeclaim Vig, knowing the similarities between the two roles. I didn't mean to accuse you of being scum fakeclaiming Vig.

[RH9]

why would i be upset

i just think that trying to discredit me is a scummy thing to do

I thought that you seemed upset.

[RH9]

why would i be upset

i just think that trying to discredit me is a scummy thing to do

I thought that you seemed upset.

And I regret making 1229. It was bad taste on my behalf.

[RH9]

are you jacket

No. I meant 1299.

[RH9]

Should we wait for Jacket?
I think that it is better that he has a say in this because we are at MeLo.

[RH9]

Thanks. I am very annoyed that this is a post that I have to make, but Jacket probably just slams the hammer on me here otherwise, so.

Quick rundown, it's 6 alive right now. 3 town, 2 mafia, 1 SK. If that SK is voted out, it will be 3v2 going into the night, and 2v2 by Tomorrow morning. Meaning the town will lose.

I'm the SK. (Y'all are welcome for the only dead scum this game, by the way.) If you vote me out here, town just loses. So, if you could

not

do that yet, that'd be great. I can pretend to be a Vigilante for the night, yeah?

I thought that I told you to kill your scumreads.

[RH9]

Nathann, who did you target N2 and N3?

[RH9]

Killed Greeting on N2 and RCEnigma on N3. No clue what the mafia has been doing.

Why did you kill the IC?

[RH9]

Neither RCEnigma nor Save The Dragons were ever getting executed. Keeping them alive meant that my odds of getting executed would go up. I can always take care of mafia by shooting them the next night; I can't do jack shit if I'm voted out.

You could have kept RCE alive and convinced him not to eliminate you because you claim to be SK. I think that RCE would have been reasonable enough to keep you alive and we could have won together, anyways.

[RH9]

You could have kept RCE alive and convinced him not to eliminate you because you claim to be SK. I think that RCE would have been reasonable enough to keep you alive and

we could have won together

, anyways.

Uh. Who's the "we"? And I'm pretty sure there is no joint win for anyone here, so...

Can't SK win with Town if we both live to endgame and all the Mafia are dead?

[RH9]

You could have kept RCE alive and convinced him not to eliminate you because you claim to be SK. I think that RCE would have been reasonable enough to keep you alive and

we could have won together

, anyways.

Uh. Who's the "we"? And I'm pretty sure there is no joint win for anyone here, so...

Can't SK win with Town if we both live to endgame and all the Mafia are dead?

Oh wait. No. You need to kill everybody.

[RH9]

SK shoot Nathann, force ELo

Why would Nathann target himself if he's SK?

[RH9]

Looker is calling me mafia who's fakeclaiming SK.

I comprehend.

[RH9]

Should we wait for Scoropious to come back or nah?

[RH9]

Like as I said before, we are at MeLo and it is my firm belief that all players should be involved in the decision-making process.

[RH9]

@Cook

[RH9]

@Cook

Oh wait. I forgot about Twilight.

[RH9]

Jacket, what do you think of Scorpious hammering? I wasn't expecting it, honestly.

[RH9]

By the way, Scorpious, what do you think of Jacket?
And I think that discussion is much more necessary today. It's ELO so we shouldn't vote without discussion.

[RH9]

I don't think anything of him hammering. The SK was outed and any vote that wasn't him was a good one. Why did you not vote?

Pissed that the SK scumsided there.

I was going to.

[RH9]

You tried your hardest to win Gate as scum but Tanner wouldn't hammer.

Tanner's continued indecision despite your best efforts to make him hammer me made your buddy Luke panic. Luke thought he'd better take out Ari before she not only solves you for the second time and shifts Tanner into deciding you're scum, but also figures out what you're up to at the Wall.

If I were scum Luke wouldn't throw Keep because he sees it's likely I lose Gate. Luke wins Keep, I probably go down against you at Gate, and then it's down to my buddy at Wall. And who's my buddy? I don't have one, I'm town. I already told Tanner who I think yours is, I don't need to tell you who it is because you can just look at your role PM to see.

Please remind me when you mentioned a possible candidate for the buddy of Baltar. It might help remind Baltar and Tanner too.

@RH9: VP Baltar doesn't need reminding who his buddy is.
But for you and Tanner, I shared my thoughts on it in post 1654

Thanks for the reminder. So you think that implosion is likely scum while Baltar thinks that it's likely numberQ?

post 1650

RH9 please unvote because if Tanner mislims me implosion is gonna insta-hammer numberQ and win for scum. I don't want to risk the game on the smaller chance numberQ is the scum.

What if Baltar is right about you being scum with numberQ or you know that if Wall flips before Gate, Tanner will look for associatives? I think that you're just scared because if anybody but implosion flips scum in the Wall, you will be incriminated. What makes you think that implosion doesn't have the possibility to be Town and that he's going to win for Town. I think that my vote on numberQ definitely got reactions from everybody but numberQ. Once I get his reaction, which I can use to sort him, then maybe just maybe I will unvote. However, for now, I'm going to wait.

Tell me if these looks S/S.
I'm avoiding meta but I hope that these pieces of meta help you.

[RH9]

You tried your hardest to win Gate as scum but Tanner wouldn't hammer.

Tanner's continued indecision despite your best efforts to make him hammer me made your buddy Luke panic. Luke thought he'd better take out Ari before she not only solves you for the second time and shifts Tanner into deciding you're scum, but also figures out what you're up to at the Wall.

If I were scum Luke wouldn't throw Keep because he sees it's likely I lose Gate. Luke wins Keep, I probably go down against you at Gate, and then it's down to my buddy at Wall. And who's my buddy? I don't have one, I'm town. I already told Tanner who I think yours is, I don't need to tell you who it is because you can just look at your role PM to see.

Please remind me when you mentioned a possible candidate for the buddy of Baltar. It might help remind Baltar and Tanner too.

@RH9: VP Baltar doesn't need reminding who his buddy is.
But for you and Tanner, I shared my thoughts on it in post 1654

Thanks for the reminder. So you think that implosion is likely scum while Baltar thinks that it's likely numberQ?

post 1650

RH9 please unvote because if Tanner mislims me implosion is gonna insta-hammer numberQ and win for scum. I don't want to risk the game on the smaller chance numberQ is the scum.

What if Baltar is right about you being scum with numberQ or you know that if Wall flips before Gate, Tanner will look for associatives? I think that you're just scared because if anybody but implosion flips scum in the Wall, you will be incriminated. What makes you think that implosion doesn't have the possibility to be Town and that he's going to win for Town. I think that my vote on numberQ definitely got reactions from everybody but numberQ. Once I get his reaction, which I can use to sort him, then maybe just maybe I will unvote. However, for now, I'm going to wait.

Tell me if these looks S/S.
I'm avoiding meta but I hope that these pieces of meta help you.

Why are you quoting another game?

To see if you can tell if this is S/S. This was me and my scumbuddy talking.

[RH9]

You tried your hardest to win Gate as scum but Tanner wouldn't hammer.

Tanner's continued indecision despite your best efforts to make him hammer me made your buddy Luke panic. Luke thought he'd better take out Ari before she not only solves you for the second time and shifts Tanner into deciding you're scum, but also figures out what you're up to at the Wall.

If I were scum Luke wouldn't throw Keep because he sees it's likely I lose Gate. Luke wins Keep, I probably go down against you at Gate, and then it's down to my buddy at Wall. And who's my buddy? I don't have one, I'm town. I already told Tanner who I think yours is, I don't need to tell you who it is because you can just look at your role PM to see.

Please remind me when you mentioned a possible candidate for the buddy of Baltar. It might help remind Baltar and Tanner too.

@RH9: VP Baltar doesn't need reminding who his buddy is.
But for you and Tanner, I shared my thoughts on it in post 1654

Thanks for the reminder. So you think that implosion is likely scum while Baltar thinks that it's likely numberQ?

post 1650

RH9 please unvote because if Tanner mislims me implosion is gonna insta-hammer numberQ and win for scum. I don't want to risk the game on the smaller chance numberQ is the scum.

What if Baltar is right about you being scum with numberQ or you know that if Wall flips before Gate, Tanner will look for associatives? I think that you're just scared because if anybody but implosion flips scum in the Wall, you will be incriminated. What makes you think that implosion doesn't have the possibility to be Town and that he's going to win for Town. I think that my vote on numberQ definitely got reactions from everybody but numberQ. Once I get his reaction, which I can use to sort him, then maybe just maybe I will unvote. However, for now, I'm going to wait.

Tell me if these looks S/S.
I'm avoiding meta but I hope that these pieces of meta help you.

Why are you quoting another game?

To see if you can tell if this is S/S. This was me and my scumbuddy talking.

I knew that my scumbuddy was getting SRed and we would eventually lose.

[RH9]

@Cook You need to change the thread title.

[RH9]

@Cook And the thread icon.

[RH9]

Can you explain the Looker townread?

Scorpious, answer this. It is a very good question.

Not a town read, no read.. 50/50 on looker and std.. coin flip for me at this point.

What does this look?

[RH9]

Honestly, StrangeMatter mentioned Salsabil Faria too in 80, but is just focusing way too much on STD. (Salsabil Faria, can I just refer to you as Salsa, like StrangeMatter does, in the future in case I misspell your name?)
P-edit: VOTE: StrangeMatter
StrangeMatter, please explain your focus on STD over Salsabil Faria.

I have more experience with STD than Salsa if that’s what you mean. Also I haven’t changed because I don’t want to. Explaining further ruins this as I’ve stated a lot more, and I’m focusing on people one at a time then moving on when I think I have a good read.

Where are you in terms of completion of your focus on STD and what have you yielded so far in terms of information.

Also, what will satisfy you to “move on” to your next person to question. And what decides who’s next?

What do you think of this?

[RH9]

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

What does this seem like?

[RH9]

@Cook VC please?
Thank you in advance.

Why are you holding on to your vote?

Also, Jacket, why the unvote?

I need a definite scumread. I currently just have loads of nullreads, who I need to sort.

How about this?

[RH9]

You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.

But RH9 you said you were afraid to sound ott defensive. When I voted Taly in that Ronald Reagan game, he sounded ott defensive, and he was, indeed, scum. Really if you're town you shouldn't be worrying about what you're sounding like.

Will take this advice to heart.

And this?

[RH9]

Anyways, do think that meta is something does more than Town?
(If you do, then I'm assuming you've never played with people who post a million times more than me. If you want, you can check out this and this.)

[RH9]

If it pleases you, I will cease to speak for a while.

[RH9]

One last thing, Scorpious, please let some discussion occur before you vote.

[RH9]

To see if you can tell if this is S/S. This was me and my scumbuddy talking.

I don't get what your point is supposed to be.

Sorry for not being clearer. It was so that you compare my interactions with flipped scum to my interactions as scum with my scumbuddy.

[RH9]

To see if you can tell if this is S/S. This was me and my scumbuddy talking.

I don't get what your point is supposed to be.

Sorry for not being clearer. It was so that you could compare my interactions with flipped scum to my interactions as scum with my scumbuddy.

EBWOP

[RH9]

I also have no idea what any of the posts you quoted are supposed to indicate.

Which ones? Most were to refresh the memories of you and Scorpious.

[RH9]

Jacket, do you think that Looker was bussed? It is from my point of view that one of you and Scorpious bussed Looker. Which means that only of you two is actually VT and the other is Mafia.

[RH9]

Just got in from
Weekend.
Catch up
Tomorrow

Don't worry, Scorpious.

[RH9]

Just got in from
Weekend.
Catch up
Tomorrow

Don't worry, Scorpious.

I promise not to flood the thread until you catch up.

[RH9]

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. There's no hammer until there is. Anyway, it's 7 AM in Australia right now. Probably isn't awake.

I just woke up. FYI, I usually wake up at 7.

[RH9]

Just a notice. I'm going to have breakfast now.

[RH9]

You guys won't mind stating your cases, won't you?

[RH9]

You guys won't mind stating your cases, won't you?

Because based on VCA, either Jacket bussed Looker, putting him on E-1 or Scorpious bussed Looker, hammering him.
Also from VCA, either Salsabil Faria (Jacket's predecessor) bussed Galron or Galron bussed Scorpious, both starting the wagons.

[RH9]

You guys won't mind stating your cases, won't you?

Because based on VCA, either Jacket bussed Looker, putting him on E-1 or Scorpious bussed Looker, hammering him.
Also from VCA, either Salsabil Faria (Jacket's predecessor) bussed Galron or Galron bussed Scorpious, both starting the wagons.

Should I just ISO both of you and case you two?

[RH9]

I want to wait a bit longer for Scorpious to find a counterargument (if one exists).
Or should I just take a dive and trust you?

[RH9]

Sorry. I don’t have the time to come up with reasons to convince either of you.

I think RH9 is obviously town because he wins if he hammers jacket as scum. He didn’t

So if RH9 votes Jacket . Town wins. Other way. Scum wins.

Really on you RH9.

Is that all? I know that I'm Town but if you had voted me and Jacket didn't quickhammer either, then through your logic, Jacket's obvtown. So nothing else makes you think that Jacket is scum?

[RH9]

I'm confused. Jacket has reasons for scum!you which have nothing to do with me not quickhammering but you don't?

[RH9]

I hate ELO. Scream at me postgame if I'm wrong but I'm going to hammer.
(Apologies if I end up wrong.)
Any last words?
(By the way, Scorpious, what do you think of Jacket's interactions with the flipped scum?)

[RH9]

I hate ELO. Scream at me postgame if I'm wrong but I'm going to hammer.
(Apologies if I end up wrong.)
Any last words?
(By the way, Scorpious, what do you think of Jacket's interactions with the flipped scum?)

Actually, I'll wait for your answer, Scorpious, before I place my vote.

[RH9]

I hate ELO. Scream at me postgame if I'm wrong but I'm going to hammer.
(Apologies if I end up wrong.)
Any last words?
(By the way, Scorpious, what do you think of Jacket's interactions with the flipped scum?)

Actually, I'll wait for your answer, Scorpious, before I place my vote.

I'm still waiting. I mean, unless Jacket answers for you in regards to interactions with Galron because he already talked about interactions with Looker/SM.

[RH9]

Jacket, you wouldn't mind recapping the interactions between Galron and you two, would you?
I still want Scorpious to answer my question, though.

[RH9]

Um. Neither of you have talked about your interactions with Galron.
Funny thing is that Jacket says that scum!him won't say 964, 1017 and 1023 but Scorpious disagrees.
I'm going for a run so I won't be around for a while.

[RH9]

Scorpious, what do you think of Jacket's case on you in 1459? Explain which out of those posts you don't make as scum.
And Jacket, do the same for the case in 1480 excluding the posts you already said that you wouldn't post as Looker's scumbuddy.

[RH9]

By the way, guys, what do you think of SM's series of posts? The posts in question are 80, 122, 205, 324 and 624.
And what do you think of SF's 139?
How about this series of posts by Scorpious? The posts in question are 66, 72, 86, 87, 93, 95, 96, 102, 124, 223, 231, 235 and 239.
And this series of posts by Jacket? The posts in question are 483, 517, 533, 630, 631, 670, 684, 718, 756, 758, 760 and 762.

I'm pretty sure that Jacket has gone through 223, 231, 235 and 239 already but maybe his opinion has since changed?

Anyways, I will hammering first thing tomorrow morning.

[RH9]

See you then.

[RH9]

dude, just vote.

I'm not doing homework,I've made more than enough reasoning why Jacket is scum. If you haven't made up your mind yet, flip a coin.

Fine. I will. Sorry if I'm wrong about this. By the way, last thing. Why do you think Mafia killed Nathann instead of me/you/Jacket?

[RH9]

He probably was killed due to being the serial killer.

But killing a Town member, means that scum will reach parity and win quicker. So why kill the SK?

[RH9]

He probably was killed due to being the serial killer.

But killing a Town member, means that scum will reach parity and win quicker. So why kill the SK?

That's why it feels odd to me because either scum just hates Nathann or thought that Nathann was going to do to them what he did to their Roleblocker.

[RH9]

Guys, why do you think that Mafia sacrificed a faster guaranteed win to kill Nathann?

[RH9]

VOTE: Scorpious
I think that combined with his interactions with scum and the unusual choice of NKing Nathann, he's scum. 1325 is a bit unusual in that Nathann had already expressed a scumread on me as he clarified in 1327. 1372 seems like he wants to discredit Nathann, because while Nathann might have killed Scorpious, it wasn't his duty to kill Scorpious ASAP. Then, there are the interactions with flipped scum. The unvote in 1442 and then succeeding revote in 1445 reads as LAMIST.

Sorry, Scorpious (and Three) if I mess up but I trust that I hopefully don't mess up.

[RH9]

@Cook I hammered.

[RH9]

GG.

[RH9]

We have an hour of awkwardness now.

[RH9]

And apologies to Three and RCE - didn't really mean that stuff I said. Was just trying to look the part.

Look what part?

[RH9]

And apologies to Three and RCE - didn't really mean that stuff I said. Was just trying to look the part.

Look what part?

Anyways, I'm going to have breakfast now.

[RH9]

Has it been an hour yet?

[RH9]

@Cook Twilight is supposed to end now.

[RH9]

GG.

[RH9]

Sorry, Scorpious.

[RH9]

Sorry, Three.

[RH9]

You were right.

[RH9]

Remember how good it worked in Newbie 2083.

No redactions

Note to Self: Don't remind Looker of Newbie 2083 in the future.

[RH9]

gg thanks for modding cook!

RH9, i've been in that spot and lost before it's tough can't blame you at all scum played pretty good

Thanks, STD!
(It is my first time messing up ELO as Town and losing.)
And Three predicted the future for some reason.

[RH9]

To be honest, this is probably my worst game that I have played.

[RH9]

I caught none of the scum.

[RH9]

To be honest, this is probably my worst game that I have played.

However, it was fun.

[RH9]

Thanks, Cook, for modding!

[RH9]

RH9

you are a delight to play with Don't feel bad about the loss as I tended to be quite discouraged to my many elo losses. They just happen and you can't really predict them.

Thanks, Taly!

[RH9]

To be honest, I had thought of hammering Jacket but his continuous responses to my posts made me change my mind.

[RH9]

That's how they get you man!

In my experience, the scum in elo is usually the more persuasive and better posited one.

I'll keep that in mind for the future.

[RH9]

That's how they get you man!

In my experience, the scum in elo is usually the more persuasive and better posited one.

I'll keep that in mind for the future.

Also, I need to still avoid getting pocketed by Galron. It happens every time that he's scum.

[RH9]

That's how they get you man!

In my experience, the scum in elo is usually the more persuasive and better posited one.

I'll keep that in mind for the future.

it's not a hard fast rule but if you ever want to play devil's advocate with yourself it could help.

It's really the premise that good scum will have a slot worth endgaming versus the other 2 townies. Basically strong team plays would involve an elo where 2 town either have cases against each other or do not communicate effectively.

Oh. To be honest, Jacket is the best scum player that I've met now. (The best scum players that I met used to be fferyllt and RR.)

[RH9]

That's how they get you man!

In my experience, the scum in elo is usually the more persuasive and better posited one.

I'll keep that in mind for the future.

Also, I need to still avoid getting pocketed by Galron. It happens every time that he's scum.

Galron

is good scum because it's practically impossible to tell the different to his play off behavior lol

It is a bit as in Galron only openwolves as scum.

[RH9]

adse will now burn in alt hell

Wait, T3! Were you ADSE?

[RH9]

Don’t feel bad RH9.

Just as much on me as anyone else.

GG scum,

And thank you for the game Cool

Thanks, Scorpious!

[RH9]

Sigh. Just another game where I catch scum but get voted out instead, and town let's the caught scum endgame because they threw a fit for a literal straight month and nobody wanted to deal with it. From now on I'm just going to policy elim anyone who does this because it's getting kind of old.

GG, and thanks for modding Cook.

I promise to trust you in the future.

[RH9]

To be honest, I had thought that your interactions with Jacket were NAI.

[RH9]

I tore you apart, you had a meltdown, selfvoted, and got eliminated. I endgamed because you're bad at arguing and no one cared about your opinion. You lost pretty hard.

You literally do anything? I self voted to take us both out but town refused to follow through. You end gamed because you threatened to scream at and blacklist anyone who voted you.

That's not why I didn't vote him. It was his cases that did.

[RH9]

I literally never use logic to scum hunt. I think it's improved my meta.

Hard to convince with logic when more people care about meta.

That's true. Kind of the best part of Anonymafia (Secret Alt) games. They remove almost all instances of using meta as a scumhunting tool.