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redcardinal · Post Post #27 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:37 am

In post 13, FancyPants wrote:VOTE: Eiralox

Can everyone let me know how experienced they are?
I've been playing mafia on and off for years but have about 10 games on site.

I've had a habit of joining a game once every few months or so since 2015.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald why is kt town?

redcardinal · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:52 am

In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 23, Seanzie wrote:I've analyzed all the posts in the thread and even though only half the playerbase has checked in, I have determined the wolf team beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd tell you all who the wolves are, but that'd make the game unfun for everyone else, so I'll hold off for now.

Also, hello everyone!

Spoiler: disclaimer
the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" here means with probability exactly 1/220.
I’d take those odds tbf
KT is town for the response to schadd

is this a meta read?

redcardinal · Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:54 am

I think seanzie's magic cold read is technically better than completely random? there should be 286 possible combinations in a 13 player normal with 3 scum if my math is right

redcardinal · Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:00 am

In post 33, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 31, redcardinal wrote:
In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 23, Seanzie wrote:I've analyzed all the posts in the thread and even though only half the playerbase has checked in, I have determined the wolf team beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd tell you all who the wolves are, but that'd make the game unfun for everyone else, so I'll hold off for now.

Also, hello everyone!

Spoiler: disclaimer
the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" here means with probability exactly 1/220.
I’d take those odds tbf
KT is town for the response to schadd
is this a meta read?
not exactly
it's not KT meta, more just general expectation based on when I've made posts like the one KT did

cool cool
VOTE: EATEROFTIME

redcardinal · Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:01 am

In post 36, Seanzie wrote:
In post 32, redcardinal wrote:I think seanzie's magic cold read is technically better than completely random? there should be 286 possible combinations in a 13 player normal with 3 scum if my math is right
And how many solves do you think I considered where I was scum?

aaaaaa I didn't consider that lol

redcardinal · Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:02 am

mmmm VOTE: Eiralox

redcardinal · Post Post #39 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:02 am

mmmm VOTE: Eiralox

redcardinal · Post Post #54 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:44 am

In post 48, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 46, Seanzie wrote:Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.
I don't see the "hmmm..." post as suspicious, but the post telling us how suspicious it was isn't doing you any favors.

Unvote, Vote: Seanzie

it does show a certain kind of self-awareness I think scum are more likely to have
VOTE: Seanzie

redcardinal · Post Post #59 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:51 am

In post 56, Seanzie wrote:
In post 54, redcardinal wrote:
In post 48, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 46, Seanzie wrote:Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.
I don't see the "hmmm..." post as suspicious, but the post telling us how suspicious it was isn't doing you any favors.

Unvote, Vote: Seanzie
it does show a certain kind of self-awareness I think scum are more likely to have
VOTE: Seanzie
This is a fake read. Anyone want to guess why?

because it's you? lol

redcardinal · Post Post #111 (isolation #9) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:44 am

In post 97, Haschel Cedricson wrote:By the by, while I'm interested in everyone's thoughts re: my last question, I'm particularly interested in a response from redcardinal and hope that it is in her next post.

everything but the reading people better when they push me bit. I can understand most of seanzie's explained thought process from a town pov, but the way he asks questions and explains his bait feels kind of fake, like scum that is too self aware and absorbed in their own play

redcardinal · Post Post #112 (isolation #10) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:50 am

honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?

redcardinal · Post Post #115 (isolation #11) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:06 am

In post 113, Seanzie wrote:
In post 112, redcardinal wrote:honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?
I disagree that D1 does not have concrete info. Reads don't need flips or mech, granted those things can help.

I am not at this time interested in going after Fancypants. Why is this targeted at me specifically?

Why do you think?

redcardinal · Post Post #116 (isolation #12) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:07 am

In post 114, Seanzie wrote:
In post 111, redcardinal wrote:
In post 97, Haschel Cedricson wrote:By the by, while I'm interested in everyone's thoughts re: my last question, I'm particularly interested in a response from redcardinal and hope that it is in her next post.
everything but the reading people better when they push me bit. I can understand most of seanzie's explained thought process from a town pov, but the way he asks questions and explains his bait feels kind of fake, like scum that is too self aware and absorbed in their own play
Why doesn't the "reading people better when they push me" part not make sense?

I don't understand why you would read people better when they push you as opposed to when they push someone else

redcardinal · Post Post #120 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:42 am

In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 112, redcardinal wrote:honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?
what do you think of Galron?

first pick right now for scum. worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that. might just read some of his games and see if he's always this deep in his own head or if he does this as scum to obfuscate

redcardinal · Post Post #121 (isolation #14) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:42 am

for now VOTE: galron

redcardinal · Post Post #122 (isolation #15) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:42 am

for now VOTE: galron

redcardinal · Post Post #136 (isolation #16) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:18 am

In post 133, Seanzie wrote:
In post 127, Crescent wrote:
In post 123, Seanzie wrote:
In post 120, redcardinal wrote:
In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 112, redcardinal wrote:honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?
what do you think of Galron?
first pick right now for scum. worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that. might just read some of his games and see if he's always this deep in his own head or if he does this as scum to obfuscate
Eh, this is not a good way to read someone IMO. It is barely 24 hours into the game and there are tons of NAI reasons someone could have only posted once by now. Smells more like feeling out LHF tbh.
Galron has 6 useless posts, not 1.. Unless you're talking about someone else?
I'm assuming the "worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that." was about Fancypants since Red specifically asked me about fancypants (so saying "wondering if Seanzie would pick up on that" makes little sense if they were talking about Galron.

I didn't misspeak

redcardinal · Post Post #137 (isolation #17) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:18 am

In post 133, Seanzie wrote:
In post 127, Crescent wrote:
In post 123, Seanzie wrote:
In post 120, redcardinal wrote:
In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 112, redcardinal wrote:honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?
what do you think of Galron?
first pick right now for scum. worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that. might just read some of his games and see if he's always this deep in his own head or if he does this as scum to obfuscate
Eh, this is not a good way to read someone IMO. It is barely 24 hours into the game and there are tons of NAI reasons someone could have only posted once by now. Smells more like feeling out LHF tbh.
Galron has 6 useless posts, not 1.. Unless you're talking about someone else?
I'm assuming the "worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that." was about Fancypants since Red specifically asked me about fancypants (so saying "wondering if Seanzie would pick up on that" makes little sense if they were talking about Galron.

I didn't misspeak

redcardinal · Post Post #138 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:18 am

fucking hell why do I keep doubleposting I'm so sorry

redcardinal · Post Post #140 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:37 am

redcardinal · Post Post #143 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:55 am

seanzie, my stance on you is leaning scum, since twice now you've made these kind of weird posts wondering why people aren't having specific responses to things you've said, as if you're very focused on how people are perceiving you in particular, moreso than I would expect town to be. I'm wavering a little though, because I think you might just be like that, and reading your other games isn't helping very much, so at this point I'd rather spend my time getting reads on other people

redcardinal · Post Post #144 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:58 am

what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

redcardinal · Post Post #146 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:26 am

In post 145, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 144, redcardinal wrote:what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?
Not answering this yet because I don't want to feed Galron answers.

fair enough, curious abt it after though

redcardinal · Post Post #186 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:44 pm

In post 163, Galron wrote:Redcardinal what's scummy about few words on day 1 of day 1? You'd rather no posts at all. I don't understand that

well I'd like to get rid of people who contribute little so we don't have to worry about them on later days. with lurkers you either hit a hard to read scum or hit less than useful town. however, I do think engaging just enough to exist without actually saying anything is more scummy than saying nothing at all tbh, and I'd be happy to vote you today for it

redcardinal · Post Post #220 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:56 am

I want to sit on galron for a few days and see what happens, give the people who haven't said much time to weigh in. galron, what's your take on seanzie?

redcardinal · Post Post #221 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:59 am

also I want literally everyone's take on galron before we even get within one vote of it happening

redcardinal · Post Post #223 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:06 am

In post 221, redcardinal wrote:also I want literally everyone's take on galron before we even get within one vote of it happening

specifically eateroftime, fancypants replacement, eiralox, and kirigiri. post your hot takes to be rated. no rush eiralox, but I am looking closely at you on this one.

redcardinal · Post Post #224 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:07 am

In post 222, Galron wrote:
In post 220, redcardinal wrote:I want to sit on galron for a few days and see what happens, give the people who haven't said much time to weigh in. galron, what's your take on seanzie?
I guess after thinking about it I can kind of see the reaction test thing but I'm still not sure why the "this is a non-RVS vote." It sounds almost like the latter was trying to distract from the former. But overall they're slightly townie I guess. I mean I can at least follow them to a point.

awesome, appreciate it

how about kittytacky?

redcardinal · Post Post #230 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:14 am

sue me, I'm enthused. let's get more specific then, what do you think of KT's "this is town v town" posts?

redcardinal · Post Post #231 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:15 am

even your gut reaction would be really helpful

redcardinal · Post Post #237 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:19 am

In post 235, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 110, Seanzie wrote:
In post 109, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 55, Seanzie wrote:
In post 52, Crescent wrote:
In post 46, Seanzie wrote:Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.
What about it is supposed to be suspicious?
I've seen wolves "hmm..." posts to make it look like they're thinking hard about something while not actually giving any takes, and they can later use that post to fit pretty much any narrative (i.e. if I was a wolf and later today I push Galron, I could be like "see, I suspected them all the way back here!" vs if I decide to townread them, I could be like "yeah, I thought a lot about them as early as this and decided they look townie!".
This is TvT, I had similar misunderstandings as town and got dogpiled by other townies.
This looks like TMI.

What "misunderstandings" are being had here?
This is the only direct accusation of TMI sean makes.
Wanna run that by me again Galron?

this is easily a misread or misunderstanding, I don't see how it's useful right now. reads as scum bussing to me

redcardinal · Post Post #238 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:20 am

In post 236, Galron wrote:
In post 230, redcardinal wrote:sue me, I'm enthused. let's get more specific then, what do you think of KT's "this is town v town" posts?
It's easy to call something tvt but it kind of locks him in doesn't it?

what do you mean by locks him in?

redcardinal · Post Post #241 (isolation #32) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:24 am

In post 239, Galron wrote:
In post 237, redcardinal wrote:this is easily a misread or misunderstanding, I don't see how it's useful right now. reads as scum bussing to me
Can you point at what is a misunderstanding and what is bussing?

sure, I think you could have easily just misunderstood or misread there being multiple claims of tmi or whatever. as for bussing, I'm not seeing the purpose of gamma's questions right now other than potentially clearing her if you happen to flip scum

redcardinal · Post Post #243 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:25 am

In post 240, Galron wrote:
In post 238, redcardinal wrote:
In post 236, Galron wrote:
In post 230, redcardinal wrote:sue me, I'm enthused. let's get more specific then, what do you think of KT's "this is town v town" posts?
It's easy to call something tvt but it kind of locks him in doesn't it?
what do you mean by locks him in?
If he's maf he's limiting his scum field and will mabye have to walk that back.

thanks! that's all from me for now, I appreciate it :3

redcardinal · Post Post #246 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:26 am

In post 242, Eiralox wrote:
In post 223, redcardinal wrote:
In post 221, redcardinal wrote:also I want literally everyone's take on galron before we even get within one vote of it happening
specifically eateroftime, fancypants replacement, eiralox, and kirigiri. post your hot takes to be rated. no rush eiralox, but I am looking closely at you on this one.
galron is low effort low info low input. i don't see it advancing the game, but i don't see it as scum either this early. it just is and only if it is still is so some days from now will i have any real reason to speak about it. garlon doesn't seem that miffed about the wagon on 'em, i would be active personally if i were at -2 but i would also be wholly dismissive if such a large wagon formed on me so early. i'm also low input low effort rn and it seems from various responses to me low info, so rn meh galron is galron? i never meta so i have no other input i guess.

p-edit: but garlon after logging in now seems to be going after the wagoneers so yeah we'll see i guess.

thank you!

redcardinal · Post Post #256 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:38 am

redcardinal · Post Post #352 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:14 pm

crescent looking real bad if galron flips scum

redcardinal · Post Post #353 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 pm

In post 338, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri wrote:Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

not without your help

redcardinal · Post Post #354 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:16 pm

In post 144, redcardinal wrote:what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

redcardinal · Post Post #355 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:18 pm

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

redcardinal · Post Post #363 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:39 pm

In post 356, Crescent wrote:And why do I look really bad, specifically, given I'm probably the person in the game taking this train the most objectively? I don't trust the player, but I also don't trust the train.

I've made more of an actual case on him than 3 of the people who are voting him, while questioning said people whom have not adequately made their own case, and you're one of them. KT popping in to defend their vote and doing nothing else did nothing for me. So you get to be next: Why exactly are you so set on him, because you're never indicated your vote as anything but "ride it and see what happens".

You placed 5 votes in the first 121 posts,...

In post 220, redcardinal wrote:I want to sit on galron for a few days and see what happens, give the people who haven't said much time to weigh in. galron, what's your take on seanzie?
...And this is effectively your only stated reason for being on him.

What's your case for him being scum?

I have a tendency to throw my vote all over the place. Having a hard time believing you really truly think my vote is weak. but anyways, as I mentioned before I want to throw someone inactive out day 1, and galron at the time I voted him was both fairly inactive, and though there were of course less active people I figured he had posted enough that voting him would get him to talk some more, and also once again I think the meager amount he was posting looked like fluff to fill up space. seems simple because it is, I tend to occam's razor these things bc trying to analyze too many layers deep is a good way to get all confused and distracted from obvious stuff happening around you in this game imo. the idea that just wanting to sit there and see what happens is effectively my only stated reason for being on him is a lie and I'm a bit astonished at how bold it is.

As for why you would look bad if galron flips scum, that would be because you're defending the stuffing out of him right now at a time it would be optimal to do so for scum. questioning things is not a neutral action bc you have to choose what to question, and that decision reveals things about you

redcardinal · Post Post #364 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:40 pm

In post 359, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 355, redcardinal wrote:kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?
Seanzie town, Crescent town, Mala slightly town. Gamma probably town too.

that's a lot of town reads

redcardinal · Post Post #367 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:46 pm

I'm uncomfortable with how many townreads kt has and how little analysis is happening in any of his posts, but crescent is pinging the fuck out of me too and I don't know if this is scum on scum or what

redcardinal · Post Post #369 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:48 pm

In post 120, redcardinal wrote:
In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 112, redcardinal wrote:honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?
what do you think of Galron?
first pick right now for scum. worse to actually post and say nothing than even to not post, was wondering if seanzie would pick up on that. might just read some of his games and see if he's always this deep in his own head or if he does this as scum to obfuscate

redcardinal · Post Post #370 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:50 pm

I sincerely can't tell if you're lying or didn't read this post, is this the passive comment you were talking about?

redcardinal · Post Post #372 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:59 pm

and I gotta think like, there's no way you couldn't have seen it because post 120 caused so much chaos re. seanzie

redcardinal · Post Post #373 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:04 pm

gah fuck it's not alignment indicative though and honestly I believe you

redcardinal · Post Post #374 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:05 pm

cats are truly my weakness

redcardinal · Post Post #375 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:09 pm

kittytacky is the kind of maf you wanna vote out last because his attempts to turn around on townreading the whole town are going to be hilarious

redcardinal · Post Post #377 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:17 pm

can I ask, what about his burst spew felt town to you? iirc he gave out a bunch of half-hearted townreads and then agreed that his play looked scummy and that he understands why he'd be voted for it, which is something I scumread like hell

redcardinal · Post Post #379 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:23 pm

the problem I have with you crescent is that I pretty much agree with all your suspicions, but when you put all the pins up together they all look like they're trying desperately to point away from galron while you even admit that you also scumread him

redcardinal · Post Post #380 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:25 pm

I don't see the why, why would your questions be pointed specifically like this? and it might be a difference in style or something, idk- as I mentioned I like throwing my vote all over the place, and according to the games you've played your play so far looks legit, you don't tend to vote a lot, etc- but surely you must have some convictions

redcardinal · Post Post #382 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:28 pm

oh wait fuck I did the thing I read "more likely than not to be scum" as "more likely to not be scum"

redcardinal · Post Post #383 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:30 pm

In post 381, Crescent wrote:When 3 of the 4 lowest posters in the game are on the train, and 2 of them are inactive, I'm going to scrutinize that train 100% of the time. Whether I scumread the player independently or not is ultimately secondary. Even if Galron is scum here, there's a good possibility that one of the voters on him is scum. Pressing on these voters is something that should be done
before[/i[ a flip.

yeah that makes sense, all stuff I'm down for. last question before I go to bed bc I obviously need it, who would you wanna see flip the most today?

redcardinal · Post Post #384 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:32 pm

In post 382, redcardinal wrote:oh wait fuck I did the thing I read "more likely than not to be scum" as "more likely to not be scum"

we can call it evens now right haha

redcardinal · Post Post #419 (isolation #55) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:50 am

In post 417, T3 wrote:
In post 367, redcardinal wrote:I'm uncomfortable with how many townreads kt has and how little analysis is happening in any of his posts, but crescent is pinging the fuck out of me too and I don't know if this is scum on scum or what
Mala is doing the same thing, very little analysis and a lot of townreads. Do you think that Mala is scum for this too?

I have no way to judge the seriousness of the townblocking attempts but yeah, I'm very uncomfy with mala

redcardinal · Post Post #425 (isolation #56) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:02 am

honestly t3 is my first actual actual townread

redcardinal · Post Post #426 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:02 am

only thing that bothers me is the suspicion of me but whatever lol

redcardinal · Post Post #428 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:13 am

In post 424, Crescent wrote:
In post 410, T3 wrote:
In post 302, Crescent wrote:
In post 301, Gamma Emerald wrote:Crescent repeatedly attempting to undermine the Galron wagon makes me think she could be scum, if Galron is but Sean/Eir isnt
I wouldn't say I've undermined the wagon, but I have questioned it. Three of the votes on that wagon are objectively very weak (Mala, Red, and Kitty), and the votes include 3 of the 4 lowest posters in the entire game.

And it's weird for you to jump to that conclusion because you know I question
everything
. You should know enough to be worried if I
didn't
question it.
The votes on Galron being lazy doesn’t mean that Galron isn’t scum. Galron could be scum and the votes are either bussing or lazy town, Galron could be town and the votes could be scum jumping on a wagon or lazy town. I do think that Galron is scum, and I think that KT is bussing Galron based on their interactions. The others votes on Galron aren’t necessarily AI.
This is exactly what I said yesterday: Galron is likely scum, there's a good chance one scum is on him, and it's likely KT if there is.

But my bigger concern isn't even precisely that. If Galron is scum, KT's vote on him looks worst. If he's town, Mala's vote on him looks worst. I am not convinced he's scum, and I see a scenario with either flip that reflects poorly with on one of those two. The play is to pressure both, so whatever flip we do get, we have answers before we get it.

And for the record, Mala's vote doesn't feel like a bus at all, and KT's vote doesn't feel like scum voting town at all. I think the likelihood of one being town also goes up regardless of the flip.

Oh also for some reason I thought there were like 50 new posts. The hell number did I think this ended at last night.

T3 town and haschel a little, I like people that come to similar conclusions as me. though I don't really know what to feel about crescent like, I just wanna point out that the above post includes the phrase "galron is likely scum" and "I'm not convinced he's scum" but also like... it's a good line of reasoning, there's some good questioning going on here, I definitely also want to see more from these two, specifically some scumreads from both of them, and a response to my accusation of townreading too many people. gives me the HEEBIEJEEBIES

redcardinal · Post Post #431 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:15 am

In post 338, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri wrote:Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

crescent how does this post make you feel? not in your head, but in your heart

redcardinal · Post Post #433 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:16 am

In post 430, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 366, Crescent wrote:Oh and Mala/KT can you explain your reads because you're apparently both townreading me and... Each other.
This early I read mostly on gut.

good, any gut scum?

redcardinal · Post Post #435 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:19 am

In post 434, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 375, redcardinal wrote:kittytacky is the kind of maf you wanna vote out last because his attempts to turn around on townreading the whole town are going to be hilarious
I'm not mafia so I'm not going to turn around on townreading anyone unless they scumslip.

redcardinal wrote:
In post 430, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 366, Crescent wrote:Oh and Mala/KT can you explain your reads because you're apparently both townreading me and... Each other.
This early I read mostly on gut.
good, any gut scum?
I don't scumread on gut, I scumread on evidence.

so you don't scumread anyone d1?

redcardinal · Post Post #436 (isolation #62) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:20 am

whooooooo do you scumread I wanna know

redcardinal · Post Post #437 (isolation #63) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:21 am

because if it's really truly nobody I cannot possibly believe you're town

redcardinal · Post Post #442 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:25 am

In post 438, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 435, redcardinal wrote:
In post 434, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 375, redcardinal wrote:kittytacky is the kind of maf you wanna vote out last because his attempts to turn around on townreading the whole town are going to be hilarious
I'm not mafia so I'm not going to turn around on townreading anyone unless they scumslip.

redcardinal wrote:
In post 430, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 366, Crescent wrote:Oh and Mala/KT can you explain your reads because you're apparently both townreading me and... Each other.
This early I read mostly on gut.
good, any gut scum?
I don't scumread on gut, I scumread on evidence.
so you don't scumread anyone d1?
Evidence can be a really scummy action. Like what Galron is doing RN.

This weird pushing on me smells like a chainsaw defense of Galron NGL.

redcardinal wrote:whooooooo do you scumread I wanna know
Galron and you. Your role PM is as red as the bird you are named after.

no fucking way you actually believe I'm bussing galron

redcardinal · Post Post #443 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:26 am

why is my questioning of you weird? you say you think someone (me) is bussing him, why wouldn't I think the same of you?

redcardinal · Post Post #445 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:27 am

In post 224, redcardinal wrote:
In post 222, Galron wrote:
In post 220, redcardinal wrote:I want to sit on galron for a few days and see what happens, give the people who haven't said much time to weigh in. galron, what's your take on seanzie?
I guess after thinking about it I can kind of see the reaction test thing but I'm still not sure why the "this is a non-RVS vote." It sounds almost like the latter was trying to distract from the former. But overall they're slightly townie I guess. I mean I can at least follow them to a point.
awesome, appreciate it how about kittytacky?

this post right here was me suspecting something between you and galron, and t3 picked up on the response galron had the same way I did

redcardinal · Post Post #446 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:29 am

I smell scum in kittytacky holy golly darn gosh

redcardinal · Post Post #447 (isolation #68) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:31 am

In post 439, KittyTacky wrote:I hate this chainsaw and the weird passive-aggressive tone on it.

I am in no way defending galron, at this point barring the lack of anything from eater and what I want from mala I'm happy if galron got hammered right now

redcardinal · Post Post #454 (isolation #69) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:39 am

kitty there is no world in which I would want to hang you before galron, though my suspicion of you has been brewing for a long while and I can point to evidence for that. as for discrediting- having a lot of townreads is something I find really, really suspicious. what am I even discrediting, your gut? what would be the point of continuing to push galron right now? iirc at least two or three other people scumread him enough to be happy with a vote. honestly I feel like galron's in the bag and I believe galron's scum, so like crescent mentioned I'm trying to figure out what to think about that after, something I've been doing since I started questioning galron

redcardinal · Post Post #456 (isolation #70) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:40 am

lmfao what are you even talking about now I'm not accusing you of bussing for your tone

redcardinal · Post Post #457 (isolation #71) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:41 am

In post 452, KittyTacky wrote:Do you expect me to have 3 full scumreads less than 20 pages in? It's just Galron and you, and I'm not so sure about you TBH. I just want Galron out.

unironically yes

redcardinal · Post Post #458 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:41 am

In post 452, KittyTacky wrote:Do you expect me to have 3 full scumreads less than 20 pages in? It's just Galron and you, and I'm not so sure about you TBH. I just want Galron out.

unironically yes

redcardinal · Post Post #462 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:45 am

and just to clarify, the reason you might think I haven't been doing a lot of galron pushing is probably because I'm pretty satisfied with my vote for once in my life- I've gotten some sweet juicy takes from him, I'm convinced he's scum and he's committed to not really contributing much on his own, what else can I get from him? if you actually want him out today we should be on the same side today

redcardinal · Post Post #463 (isolation #74) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:45 am

and just to clarify, the reason you might think I haven't been doing a lot of galron pushing is probably because I'm pretty satisfied with my vote for once in my life- I've gotten some sweet juicy takes from him, I'm convinced he's scum and he's committed to not really contributing much on his own, what else can I get from him? if you actually want him out today we should be on the same side today

redcardinal · Post Post #466 (isolation #75) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:53 am

In post 459, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 454, redcardinal wrote:kitty there is no world in which I would want to hang you before galron, though my suspicion of you has been brewing for a long while and I can point to evidence for that. as for discrediting- having a lot of townreads is something I find really, really suspicious. what am I even discrediting, your gut? what would be the point of continuing to push galron right now? iirc at least two or three other people scumread him enough to be happy with a vote. honestly I feel like galron's in the bag and I believe galron's scum, so like crescent mentioned I'm trying to figure out what to think about that after, something I've been doing since I started questioning galron
1. I never said you wanted me to die today, necessarily, if you are scum bussing.
2. I had no idea this was something people considered suspicious, but that is simply how I play. I townread a lot of people early and focus on one or two scums. It just makes sense. There are way more townies than scumbags and I have no idea why that's sus.
3. Scum!you is discrediting
me
so I am easier to hang next. Town!you is just a wrong townie who doesn't know my meta I guess.
4. Well I always push people to the end even when they're in the bag.

redcardinal wrote:lmfao what are you even talking about now I'm not accusing you of bussing for your tone
Then explain why you are accusing me of bussing.

redcardinal wrote:
In post 452, KittyTacky wrote:Do you expect me to have 3 full scumreads less than 20 pages in? It's just Galron and you, and I'm not so sure about you TBH. I just want Galron out.
unironically yes
Well that's bullshit.

The fact that you're the fifth vote, galron's reaction when asked about you, the out of nowhere vote, the lack of scumreads outside of galron. all of these things are things I find scummy, and the last two are things that I think are bad for town regardless of how galron flips, things I think scum do to try to make themselves harder to read after people start flipping. also I think I saw something I was thinking about back when I first questioned galron but I can't remember it, might find it in a sec. the chainsaw defense narrative is also just so bullshit like lol, it's not a chainsaw defense if I'm clearly not trying to switch mine or anyone else's vote off galron I'll be here until he's goneron

redcardinal · Post Post #467 (isolation #76) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:54 am

In post 464, KittyTacky wrote:I guess we just have incompatible playstyles.

redcardinal wrote:and just to clarify, the reason you might think I haven't been doing a lot of galron pushing is probably because I'm pretty satisfied with my vote for once in my life- I've gotten some sweet juicy takes from him, I'm convinced he's scum and he's committed to not really contributing much on his own, what else can I get from him? if you actually want him out today we should be on the same side today
See, I don't give up on my pushes like that. I genuinely didn't know people did that. I can see it now and I guess I misunderstood you. Sorry for pushing you, your tone honestly angered me.

it's not giving up on a push! the moment anyone unvotes from galron or a single actual competing wagon starts is the moment I start trying to convince people to vote him again mark my words

redcardinal · Post Post #468 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:57 am

it's scummy to have a lot of townreads because if you're town you have no idea who could be LURKING

redcardinal · Post Post #470 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:11 am

In post 464, KittyTacky wrote:I guess we just have incompatible playstyles.

redcardinal wrote:and just to clarify, the reason you might think I haven't been doing a lot of galron pushing is probably because I'm pretty satisfied with my vote for once in my life- I've gotten some sweet juicy takes from him, I'm convinced he's scum and he's committed to not really contributing much on his own, what else can I get from him? if you actually want him out today we should be on the same side today
See, I don't give up on my pushes like that. I genuinely didn't know people did that. I can see it now and I guess I misunderstood you. Sorry for pushing you, your tone honestly angered me.

sorry about the tone, I don't mean anything by it. I just like being silly for its own sake sometimes, don't mean to come across passive aggressive
still don't like your push though and I don't buy the chainsaw defense thing was actually something town would come up with, even angy town

redcardinal · Post Post #472 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:20 am

it's the kind of comfort that having a lot of townreads affords you and the lack of healthy town paranoia

has eater been prodded yet? I don't remember

redcardinal · Post Post #474 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:26 am

In post 473, Crescent wrote:
In post 449, KittyTacky wrote:You don't seem to be doing a lot of Galron pushing after you started accusing me of bussing.
I do want to hear where this thought comes from, as just last night he went after me because he misread my posts and thought I was defending him.

I'm sorry who are you referring to here? I'm confused

redcardinal · Post Post #477 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:29 am

I just looked at eot's post history and it looks like they haven't played any games except this one? unless they're an alt this could be some random person found the site, entered the game, and decided it was too much lol

redcardinal · Post Post #478 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:29 am

In post 476, Crescent wrote:
In post 474, redcardinal wrote:
In post 473, Crescent wrote:
In post 449, KittyTacky wrote:You don't seem to be doing a lot of Galron pushing after you started accusing me of bussing.
I do want to hear where this thought comes from, as just last night he went after me because he misread my posts and thought I was defending him.
I'm sorry who are you referring to here? I'm confused
I want to know what KT was basing that statement on, because I don't see it.

who went after you last night?

redcardinal · Post Post #482 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:35 am

In post 473, Crescent wrote:
In post 449, KittyTacky wrote:You don't seem to be doing a lot of Galron pushing after you started accusing me of bussing.
I do want to hear where this thought comes from, as just last night he went after me because he misread my posts and thought I was defending him.

ooooooh if this is referring to me my pronouns are she/her

redcardinal · Post Post #485 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:37 am

mala conf scum lol

redcardinal · Post Post #491 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:46 am

mala can I get some scumreads from you beyond galron, preferably with reasoning but doesn't have to be

redcardinal · Post Post #492 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:47 am

In post 488, Seanzie wrote:RedCardinal, I choose you! some people have scumread you, but meh. I don't believe it. This post is important.

I still don't really trust you! but okay based

redcardinal · Post Post #495 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:51 am

goodnight sleepy bear, dream of dead scum partners haha

redcardinal · Post Post #497 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:53 am

shh don't wake him

redcardinal · Post Post #499 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:54 am

thank you crescent!

redcardinal · Post Post #501 (isolation #90) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:56 am

another vc another cute frog let's see it

redcardinal · Post Post #508 (isolation #91) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:04 am

UNVOTE:

redcardinal · Post Post #509 (isolation #92) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:06 am

I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die

redcardinal · Post Post #528 (isolation #93) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:35 am

VOTE: malakittens

redcardinal · Post Post #545 (isolation #94) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:22 am

In post 515, Malakittens wrote:
In post 509, redcardinal wrote:I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die
Wtf is up with you soloing me out

Ngl I like to townblock and then POE from there

So I got lots of towngutvibes

sorry, though I already answered this. lack of scumreads is the main thing. I'm singling out anyone who doesn't have scumreads outside of galron. started with kt & crescent, now it's your turn

redcardinal · Post Post #544 (isolation #95) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:22 am

In post 515, Malakittens wrote:
In post 509, redcardinal wrote:I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die
Wtf is up with you soloing me out

Ngl I like to townblock and then POE from there

So I got lots of towngutvibes

sorry, though I already answered this. lack of scumreads is the main thing. I'm singling out anyone who doesn't have scumreads outside of galron. started with kt & crescent, now it's your turn

redcardinal · Post Post #546 (isolation #96) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:23 am

esp. people who are on the galron wagon, which is what I think is going to end up happening today tbh

redcardinal · Post Post #547 (isolation #97) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:23 am

I want the before and after takes

redcardinal · Post Post #549 (isolation #98) » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:34 am

In post 548, Crescent wrote:they're both scum or they're both scum

that would be my take lol. seriously though I do agree the seanzie vote felt a little weird to me so I wanted to move in a different direction

redcardinal · Post Post #619 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:50 am

why is galron's vote still on crescent

redcardinal · Post Post #620 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:52 am

okay I mean I know why it's because he's scum
enchant, want some time to read the thread or do you wanna read it at night?

redcardinal · Post Post #627 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:20 am

VOTE: galron

redcardinal · Post Post #640 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:44 am

Why and how I cannot answer my friend, but where? Well, nowhere else but... the twilight zone.

redcardinal · Post Post #642 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:46 am

redcardinal · Post Post #754 (isolation #104) » Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:16 pm

eiralox and gamma are scummy as fuck right now, aside from that I want to know what's going on with KT today bc crescent and I both saw scum/scum kt/galron, and crescent's fuckin dead so

redcardinal · Post Post #805 (isolation #105) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:53 am

VOTE: KittyTacky

redcardinal · Post Post #807 (isolation #106) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:01 am

I'm pretty sure t3 is town

redcardinal · Post Post #808 (isolation #107) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:03 am

there would have to be some seriously impressive bamboozling going on for that not to be the case for me at this point

redcardinal · Post Post #812 (isolation #108) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:12 am

I'm pretty much never convinced by people making arguments from their own meta

redcardinal · Post Post #816 (isolation #109) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:14 am

if you brought it up, it's something you're aware of and thus able to subvert

redcardinal · Post Post #817 (isolation #110) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:15 am

In post 813, KittyTacky wrote:Redcardinal also probably wrong town TBH.

Good nyaight.

goodnight sleepy bear

redcardinal · Post Post #819 (isolation #111) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:17 am

I gotta say I really want to see more from enchant

redcardinal · Post Post #924 (isolation #112) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:57 am

In post 887, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 816, redcardinal wrote:if you brought it up, it's something you're aware of and thus able to subvert
How would I "subvert" something I do as a consequence of my poor tonal acumen that I do as BOTH alignments?

fair

redcardinal · Post Post #925 (isolation #113) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:02 am

kt's claim reads fake to me my vote stays where it is

redcardinal · Post Post #926 (isolation #114) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:04 am

detective, enchant, eiralox, and kt are big scum

redcardinal · Post Post #927 (isolation #115) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 am

seanzie, gamma, t3 are big town, haschel is small town

redcardinal · Post Post #928 (isolation #116) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:07 am

mala and schadd are spooks

redcardinal · Post Post #937 (isolation #117) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:48 am

mmm schadd is small town

redcardinal · Post Post #938 (isolation #118) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:48 am

liking the push on eiralox, honestly I think it's possible both wagons are scum

redcardinal · Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:31 pm

mala how do you feel about kt right now

redcardinal · Post Post #949 (isolation #120) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:33 pm

In post 945, Malakittens wrote:Oh is this the game crescent died N1
Carry on

Woops

X.x

fake

mala big scum

redcardinal · Post Post #950 (isolation #121) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:35 pm

ehhhh fuck

redcardinal · Post Post #952 (isolation #122) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:38 pm

In post 951, T3 wrote:
In post 949, redcardinal wrote:
In post 945, Malakittens wrote:Oh is this the game crescent died N1
Carry on

Woops

X.x
fake

mala big scum
Mala’s multi-gaming 3 games right now, I can see how town!Mala could get mixed up, I could also see how scum!Mala could think to fake it.

yeahh I just realized that after posting

redcardinal · Post Post #953 (isolation #123) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:39 pm

mmm mala still a spook

redcardinal · Post Post #954 (isolation #124) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:39 pm

t3 where should my vote be right now between eiralox and kt?

redcardinal · Post Post #955 (isolation #125) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:42 pm

eiralox let us know when you finish going through the kt iso, I really wanna hear abt that

redcardinal · Post Post #961 (isolation #126) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:26 pm

In post 960, Gamma Emerald wrote:I kinda wanna vote red, his sus pool feels wack

what do you disagree with?

redcardinal · Post Post #966 (isolation #127) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:30 pm

In post 962, Gamma Emerald wrote:Don’t like you calling Mala a “spook” whatever that means, also think Eiralox and KT are very low-risk targets.

oh I just mean I don't know what to think about mala, so they're spooky

redcardinal · Post Post #967 (isolation #128) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pm

also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?

redcardinal · Post Post #970 (isolation #129) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:33 pm

In post 965, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 959, T3 wrote:
In post 890, KittyTacky wrote:I'm coming under pressure so I'll claim. I'm a PR and that's why I played shiftily. I'm a Town Roleblocker (no gates) and I blocked schadd_ the previous night.

In post 840, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 838, Haschel Cedricson wrote:The Gamma/Seanzie interactions are a slog and while I think both of them are town I also think that they should both feel bad for making us all read that.

I don't think Gamma's 739...
Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!
...is a great point, which makes it weird to see KittyTacky cite it as one of the points he agrees with.

In post 748, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay that makes some sense
Who did you expect would be killed?
T3. T3 checked the boxes of 1) Reasonably active, 2) Decent posts, and 3) Absolutely nobody expressing any suspicion of them so eliminating them keeps the viable lim pool as wide as possible.
that kill idea tracks
and yeh kittytacky is kinda where my suspicions land because I also think he is trying to argue a mindmeld that doesn't make sense, I think 739 makes sense at least fmpov, but KT citing it as a mindmeld point is not sensible given that.
plus, crescent kill could be one he sees as beneficial, I was TR kittytacky yday, crescent was thinking he could be SvS w galron, there was the seanzie read that kinda supplanted that but I TR Senazie now so the next spot my thoughts fall on the crescent kill is KT
VOTE: kittytacky

I would like more clear stances from schadd rn tho
Explain why it doesn't make sense as a mindmeld. Also, I don't push perfectly salvageable teammates as scum day 1.
Why would you claim now? You’re not at E-1.
Nothing I could have done to stop myself from being run up to E-1. I was sinking.

speaking of, really feel like this trigger finger seems like scared scum

redcardinal · Post Post #971 (isolation #130) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:45 pm

In post 968, Gamma Emerald wrote:Do you take issue with my reasons to TR Mala?

you know what I just isod galron bc I remembered the mala interaction differently and I changed my mind, you're right galron's interaction with mala was pretty confirming

redcardinal · Post Post #972 (isolation #131) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:46 pm

also galron's shading of kt makes me want to vote eiralox today instead

redcardinal · Post Post #973 (isolation #132) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:46 pm

VOTE: eiralox

redcardinal · Post Post #974 (isolation #133) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:59 pm

In post 969, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 967, redcardinal wrote:also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?
I think you should be probing other people rather than just sussing easy options.

also sure, reading up on some haschel rn bc galron mentioned haschel being town I think before there was a serious amount of pressure, and I think I see what could be some clever deflection away from galron really early on by haschel, coupled with the early posting fading into quietness makes me think haschel maybe shouldn't be in my townreads

redcardinal · Post Post #975 (isolation #134) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:07 pm

like some of the early questions from haschel towards galron feel like they could be scum trying to get other scum to be more involved. something tells me if galron had said something about how seanzie was scummy haschel would have backed off, but the pressure turns into a bus at a certain point and reading back it feels a little awkward

redcardinal · Post Post #976 (isolation #135) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:10 pm

who would you have killed n1 haschel?

redcardinal · Post Post #979 (isolation #136) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:35 pm

have a good one eira. you and haschel maybe for last two scum

redcardinal · Post Post #981 (isolation #137) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:40 pm

In post 260, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 205, Eiralox wrote:lol i warn u not to push me, i can get like a badger.
If anything this is a reason
to
push you.

Not a huge fan of how your take on Galron is basically "Galron is a land of contrasts", btw.

Gamma, you want to elaborate on why Seanzie is in your proposed scumtrio?

haschel sees a reason to push eiralox but doesn't. leaves this here, and it's something I strongly agree with, but I don't feel like it was going anywhere and haschel certainly didn't take it anywhere

redcardinal · Post Post #982 (isolation #138) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:40 pm

peace!

redcardinal · Post Post #998 (isolation #139) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:47 am

still waiting for the kitty iso thoughts you promsied

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:49 am

also I don't understand why you would unvote the replacement now given that there were only two votes on kiri and barely anyone talking about it. do you scumread kiri, or are you trying to shade me in particular?

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:15 am

In post 47, Eiralox wrote:
In post 40, redcardinal wrote:mmmm VOTE: Eiralox
mmmm

In post 101, Eiralox wrote:
In post 92, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 60, Seanzie wrote:
In post 57, schadd_ wrote:was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case
I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.
Fascinating. Does this make sense to anybody else?
aight we're doing this gimme a sec, gonna explain in the next post so I don't have to dick around with quote tags
i mean it is fascinating, an interesting study, but can be a town ploy to draw sus. or can be scum ploy to seem like town ploy to draw sus. idk, either way i sure hope Seanzie isn't going to whirlwind into me whenever i hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In post 201, Eiralox wrote:
In post 197, Seanzie wrote:
In post 196, Eiralox wrote:yeah schadd_ whatever tbh. there's still plenty of time this game im not gonna sheep some1 on sheanzie or galron just to create the illusion that i think there is enough evidence for one of them being scum this early. i'll speak when i have something to say, rn i don't

UNVOTE: Fancy Pants

don't really think i should unvote, but maybe the replace is gonna have more to say than pants did. im out 4 now.
It is concerning that you don't have anything to say. There is plenty of stuff to form reads on by now.
not for me. stop telling me what to do. I play how I want. If you have any actual reason to scumread me, spill it. dont prevaricate and waste my eye time.

I can already see this is gonna be a frustrating game based on scumreads for low activity over a weekend. I stand by what I said, I have nothing to add rn. All i see are weak cases fielded for weak reasons and the concurrent weak responses. I'll form reads in my own time.

In post 242, Eiralox wrote:
In post 223, redcardinal wrote:
In post 221, redcardinal wrote:also I want literally everyone's take on galron before we even get within one vote of it happening
specifically eateroftime, fancypants replacement, eiralox, and kirigiri. post your hot takes to be rated. no rush eiralox, but I am looking closely at you on this one.
galron is low effort low info low input. i don't see it advancing the game, but i don't see it as scum either this early. it just is and only if it is still is so some days from now will i have any real reason to speak about it. garlon doesn't seem that miffed about the wagon on 'em, i would be active personally if i were at -2 but i would also be wholly dismissive if such a large wagon formed on me so early. i'm also low input low effort rn and it seems from various responses to me low info, so rn meh galron is galron? i never meta so i have no other input i guess.

p-edit: but garlon after logging in now seems to be going after the wagoneers so yeah we'll see i guess.

In post 394, Eiralox wrote:hmmmmm........ ok for the record i never defended Galron with cres and sean. merely stated that galron is, as hershcel so eloquently put it, a landscape of rainbows ior whatver. does what garlon has done so far seem scummy? yup. Do I, this early in the game, scumread them for it? hell no. i've seen far scummier behavior in early games from other players, so rn, this early, i'm still more than willing to give Galron some rope, even if they end up hanging themselves with it. basically the low input monicker applied to Galron here i'll apply equally to MalaKittens, KittyTacky, UltimateDetectiveKiri, myself and undoubtedly EATEROFTIME. So i'm not planning to jump onto this wagon anytime soon.

And in terms of actual reads: Hell, I still got none. I have one player who, inexplicably, feels scum to me rn, but this is 100% gut and i got no evidence so i won't expand on it rn.

Basically the whole Galron thing.... I think crescent approaches this correctly by analyzing it from the gamma then the lower-posters angle. If you put someone at -2 this early you have to be more proactive in defending why this early imo. Like i stated previously i don't mind lower posters this early, and from experience don't mind them late-game either depending on my feel on them. rn i feel i've invested way too much time on this forum since re-joining so while ill be active and ill try my best i dont think ill be as obsessive as my usual self, not for now at least.

The whole Galron thing begins after Gamma hard scumread Gal on.... page 1? And hard townread Kitty on the same page, with Kitty later voting Gal, hard scumming them iirc. anyway, i would love to see whether galron is gonna deliver on above promises, right now RE: gal im still where i was at, that im not gonna support putting someone at -1 this early. am i defending? no, i'm being prudent and stating why i won't be voting there anytime soon unless something major pings me(which so far hasn't happened, Galron seems disconnected but that can still swing either way in my mind. )

In post 531, Eiralox wrote:ya'll licked some toads i honestly need to approach these past five pages with a clear head wow. just glad that no one hammered, with the amount of splashing being done in this pond im not comfortable with fast days at all. maybe ill say something actually relevant in like 10-12 hrs. peace.

In post 677, Eiralox wrote:
In post 674, Seanzie wrote:
In post 668, Eiralox wrote:VOTE: Seanzie
Care to explain your vote?
no

In post 913, Eiralox wrote:I think i wanna see folk start hopping off the KittyTacky wagon tbh.

In post 914, Eiralox wrote:I appreciate Enchant backing me up here, town points for them, but I wanna know if enchant thinks its wise to vote on this claim? a roleblocker isnt someone i want to throw away on a mis-elim tbh if the claim is tru.

aight doing this

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:16 am

gods damnit I fucked up the quote tags anyways

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:28 am

alright post 47- eiralox's rvs votes went on the people voting them, something they didn't do in either of their town games I read. post 47 reads like someone who is unnaturally sensitive to being voted even early on, though due to what happened in one of the games I read I guess I can understand that response.

post 101- passive push, not really committal but throwing shade at something in an opportunistic way. scummy as fuck

201- this is a common theme throughout eiralox's iso. complain about being asked for questions or reads or really anything at all, throw shade on pretty much the entire game, leave. I get you're not a forum rat, really do. I have time to mess around on this site due to the kind of work I do and I realize that's not everyone. however, what you do post clearly shows a lack of desire to engage even a little, as well as trying to slow other people's engagement down and that's something I see coming from scum no matter how much time you have to read or post.

242 and 394 are examples of eiralox's weird attitude towards galron. as much as I think haschel/eiralox could seriously be partners right now, haschel was right when he said that the take you had on galron was weird and noncommittal. though in my brain rn that reads like distancing, still true.

531 being glad nobody hammered scum partner, wants to slow the game down, throw some oh low engagement what about these other low engagement players look over here. now that I think about it haschel/eiralox together is making less sense but I think there's scum in one of them, though I'm still suspicious of kt.

677 blatant refusal to engage in something eira should have been able to answer.

913 don't understand where this came from, previous posts indicated eiralox had a scumread on kt, however shaky. can't find an explanation for this and I scumread both

914 buddying

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:33 am

tldr just a lot of passive noncommittal stuff with little substance, and whenever challenged on any of it eira shades a bunch of people's reads and content for being weak without satisfactorily explaining why. all this coupled with the wishy washy attitude towards galron d1 is why eiralox is my president today

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:35 am

@ausuka when I quoted 101 I accidentally added a line of text "aight we're doing this gimme a sec, gonna explain in the next post so I don't have to dick around with quote tags" could you help fix that or is it against the rules

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:01 pm

your single vote isn't on eira right now lol

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:16 pm

hey kt we're looking for roleblock targets who's your partner?

on a more serious note if kt is somehow town haschel is probably the best target tonight for roleblocking regardless of flip, though if eira ismagically town I really don't think there's a chance in hell kt could be too

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:17 pm

if kt and eiralox are both town I'm the best roleblock target because obviously I'm nowhere good for town lol

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:33 pm

I highly doubt I'd actually be roleblocked over a joke

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:00 pm

In post 1051, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1011, T3 wrote:
In post 891, KittyTacky wrote:Crescent was killed to frame me IMHO.
Why specifically Crescent? There were many others scumreading you.
Well they could have killed another of the S/S accusers and it would have still been a frame so I don't see your point.

that's a lot of potential ways to frame you that would easily be coincidental if you were town. don't you think someone's first response to a night kill being a thought about their own image is scummy?

redcardinal · Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:41 pm

just want to point out about the tunneling accusation that every single person voting eira right now + seanzie and gamma have all had at least one other scumread that they've asked questions about or pushed some other way in day 2 alone. eiralox, you of all people in this thread are really going to accuse everyone of being unmotivated? you who, at every single step of the way on every other push, has gone nahh this is too fast or nahh this is weak just shading every step of the way? oh so you see a bunch of avenues to pursue huh? pursue them!! do some scumhunting for once in the game, if you have so many scumreads why not explain a single scumread you have beyond omgus or idk sounds weak

redcardinal · Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:04 am

In post 1061, T3 wrote:
In post 979, redcardinal wrote:have a good one eira. you and haschel maybe for last two scum

In post 978, Eiralox wrote:that being said wher tf is haschel lol? eh i gotta life se yall.
Idk if scum!Eira draws attention to scum!Haschel like this, though.

yeah that's part of what drew me off the idea while I was isoing eira

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:26 am

VOTE: schadd

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:34 am

I feel day 1 cleared me and to think otherwise looks inherently scummy. but reading the past couple pages, my heart says something else.

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:34 am

I am very polite and friendly eiralox thank you for noticing

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:52 am

I'm here all week

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:56 am

In post 1132, Enchant wrote:
redcardinal wrote:I feel day 1 cleared me and to think otherwise looks inherently scummy. but reading the past couple pages, my heart says something else.
Hahahahahahahahah

did you even ever read d1 enchant

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:05 am

ah I see well that makes sense then, carry on

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:09 am

how do you feel about gamma

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:28 am

if it helps schadd I read your post and the one you mentioned. your words matter and have an impact here, going to reread later today when I have more time and give some thoughts

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:30 am

notably I forgot kt said he roleblocked you

redcardinal · Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:27 am

I'm starting to not care about gamma's tr on enchant tbh

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:51 am

VOTE: Enchant

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:54 am

eiralox would I bounce off you if I was scum

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:29 am

actually you know what VOTE: eiralox

I understand you've scumread the kiri slot for most of the game and that looks natural, but tying me into it is absolutely bonkers. while I've had very little interaction with the slot, what I have done would be suicidal if we were actually scum partners. You're trying to shade me because enchant showed up with a vote.

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:32 am

UNVOTE: eiralox ugh

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:41 am

VOTE: Klick

feels weird voting a replacement but hell let's do this

every other slot has a reason to be town based on galron except this one and eiralox

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:42 am

as absent as hasch is he was right when he said ud did a few things to try to pull pressure off the galron wagon

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:47 am

In post 338, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri wrote:Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

In post 341, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri wrote:VOTE: MalaKittens

In post 104, Malakittens wrote:UNVOTE: gamma

kay that was easy. I got my first town read curteosy of page 2

In post 103, Malakittens wrote:
In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 13, FancyPants wrote:VOTE: Eiralox

Can everyone let me know how experienced they are?
I've been playing mafia on and off for years but have about 10 games on site.
Does FP always open like this?
I think I remember a similar opening in kitty's last game

i ahve to check
These posts look performative. There's no follow up on the promise to check the previous game and the town read on Gamma looks fake.

the votes on mala and hasch both feel weird looking back and it appears ud was trying hard to get something to stick to build a counterwagon for galron

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:49 am

also I really, really dislike post 338 I quoted above. I still don't understand what was meant by it and it feels really strange and weird given the galron flip

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:49 am

I can't exactly put my finger on it but it's a weird interaction

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:09 am

what do you MEANNN

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:11 am

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redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:11 am

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redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:29 pm

VOTE: eiralox fuuuuck this push on me looks like bullshit from my perspective holy fuck

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:29 pm

This is L-1 for eiralox

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:41 pm

gamma you're wrong or you're scum, and as confirming as I felt the interaction with galron was yesterday it's really hard to totally discount that I'm getting duped here. I honestly feel like you're too good at this game to have reads this bad

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:41 pm

and that would explain why you want me dead

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:44 pm

enchant, klick, mala, you, and me

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:52 pm

enchant and mala being so comfortably town for gamma is concerning, though moreso with enchant, since I can at least buy that town gamma would think an interaction that she already believes confirms her would also confirm mala, though the confidence is disconcerting. I read the game gamma mentioned and I really don't buy it at all that enchant is behaving like he did in that terminator game, plus enchant just straight up refuses to engage meaningfully. Klick doesn't read comfortably towny to me either, though that has everything to do with detective's play and nothing to do with klick's. you schadd have gone from null to scum to town in my books, and decently so at this point. as little as I trust kt's roleblock claim it is true that you got a partial confirm from that which is something detached from whatever circles I might think myself into, big plus the way you talk about people in your more recent larger posts seem more engaged with particular people rather than the pure focus on eiralox and general game commentary, was pretty much exactly what I wanted from my vote on you

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:52 pm

enchant and mala being so comfortably town for gamma is concerning, though moreso with enchant, since I can at least buy that town gamma would think an interaction that she already believes confirms her would also confirm mala, though the confidence is disconcerting. I read the game gamma mentioned and I really don't buy it at all that enchant is behaving like he did in that terminator game, plus enchant just straight up refuses to engage meaningfully. Klick doesn't read comfortably towny to me either, though that has everything to do with detective's play and nothing to do with klick's. you schadd have gone from null to scum to town in my books, and decently so at this point. as little as I trust kt's roleblock claim it is true that you got a partial confirm from that which is something detached from whatever circles I might think myself into, big plus the way you talk about people in your more recent larger posts seem more engaged with particular people rather than the pure focus on eiralox and general game commentary, was pretty much exactly what I wanted from my vote on you

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:59 pm

In post 1235, schadd_ wrote:you named 3 people that she said are probably town... if she's mafia then 2 of those people are in fact town or more

right, I'm saying that I don't see how she could see that list as comfortably town if she was town. if she's scum than she knows who town is and can just put whoever is convenient up there, and from my perspective it looks awfully convenient

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:05 pm

also just putting this out here but I'd have a lot easier of a time figuring out why crescent died if she had ever voted for anyone, but that's just me

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:07 pm

ah but crescent did express some suspicion of eiralox, though nothing committal

redcardinal · Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:07 pm

I don't know if I was in eiralox's shoes if I would have chosen a kill based on that? not really sure

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:03 am

good morning VOTE: Kittytacky

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:19 am

In post 1291, T3 wrote:
In post 1237, redcardinal wrote:enchant and mala being so comfortably town for gamma is concerning, though moreso with enchant, since I can at least buy that town gamma would think an interaction that she already believes confirms her would also confirm mala, though the confidence is disconcerting. I read the game gamma mentioned and I really don't buy it at all that enchant is behaving like he did in that terminator game, plus enchant just straight up refuses to engage meaningfully. Klick doesn't read comfortably towny to me either, though that has everything to do with detective's play and nothing to do with klick's. you schadd have gone from null to scum to town in my books, and decently so at this point. as little as I trust kt's roleblock claim it is true that you got a partial confirm from that which is something detached from whatever circles I might think myself into, big plus the way you talk about people in your more recent larger posts seem more engaged with particular people rather than the pure focus on eiralox and general game commentary, was pretty much exactly what I wanted from my vote on you
I don’t think Gamma’s townread on Enchant is concerning, whether right or wrong. I can see where Gamma is coming from and the only scum motivation for it is pocketing, but that doesn’t make sense either because Enchant isn’t widely townread.

pocketing is even more effective imo if the person you're pocketing isn't widely townread. also I do

not

see where gamma is coming from, it's weird

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:31 am

I guess so

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:50 am

yeah whatever eiralox cop me tonight if we both live

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:57 am

one of kt or eiralox is lying about their role

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:02 am

scratch that, kt is a roleblocker but is not a town roleblocker

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:05 am

I will not elaborate

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:12 am

VOTE: eiralox
actually you're way more likely to be lying

I'm thinking in circles and I'm starting to get frustrated with myself so I'm just going to try to see you gone today. kt had to have done some pretty intense bussing yesterday to be lying and I still think the way you approached galron yesterday is absolutely damning.

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:14 am

this is the last time I'm doing this today, going back and forth is exhausting

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:26 am

eiralox what have I done that's scummy

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:06 am

seanzie spitting facts

redcardinal · Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:55 am

redcardinal · Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:08 am

bold strategy cotton VOTE: malakittens great attempt at a setup but you fumbled the execution

redcardinal · Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:10 am

I am miselim target number uno today and this kill is absolutely intended to set me the hell up. you coming out the gate with this is practically confirming imo, get voted