Mini #643: Time Capsule Mafia, Game Over

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote IcemanE

This is where I would have gone next day if we'd lynched MLF - but, as Yos has so kindly claimed and given us two cleared players, I'll bring it forwards a bit.

[icemanE]

Agreeing with other people's arguments is not a scumtell.

But you're right, I should have

unvote

d in my last post.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

This was pretty much all I was doing D2.

Examples? The innocent result on mlf isn't doing you any favors.

[Darox]

This was pretty much all I was doing D2.

Examples? The innocent result on mlf isn't doing you any favors.

I'm going to go with the case at the top of this page and the fact that my vote was on him for the entire day.

[melikefood]

Oops, been gone for a bit...
Hrm, I need to get better at connecting things together.

Apologies to the cop for making him out his role.

Darox's unvote and EBWOP after Yos's Claim seemed a little jumpy.
IcemanE's forgetfulness to unvote just seemed a little off to me as well.

So an AlmostFoMS to both of them.

[icemanE]

IcemanE's forgetfulness to unvote just seemed a little off to me as well.

Really? What would I stand to gain by leaving my vote on you after you'd just been cleared?

[Darox]

Hmm.

Yosarian's cop claim says he got results of 'not mafia' rather than 'innocent'.

This seems suggests you could not be mafia, but also not be town.
Combine this with the first paper note...

Don't know what to make of it, but I'm not eliminating the idea of a third party.

[icemanE]

Right, Darox, but he got "not mafia" for Clammy too. So unless they are independent and both scum (possible), your theory doesn't work too well.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Darox... wow. Way to sling mud. You're saying we should lynch them regardless of a fairly believable cop claim, just because you suspect a third party? Awful easy way to get two lynches for scum, if you ask me - especially since we won't know what they are. I think you created that first note, Darox, in order to prepare for a dissimulation technique just like this when a Cop came out with "not mafia" results.

unvote; Vote Darox

[pacman281292]

Hmm.

Yosarian's cop claim says he got results of 'not mafia' rather than 'innocent'.

This seems suggests you could not be mafia, but also not be town.
Combine this with the first paper note...

Don't know what to make of it, but I'm not eliminating the idea of a third party.

??!!

If Yos's claim is true, then they might be survivors or jesters, but....
Your logic is really bad. I read enough Mini Games, and I've seen that the general setup is 8 town, 1 third-party, 3 scum. NOT 2 third-party.

FomS: Darox

In my opinion, the first paper is a hoax from the scum, and the other papers might as well be pro-town or pro-scum. But they might have been written on Day 1 and placed on the 2003 capsule. That's the meaning of my top-of-last-page post

[Darox]

Darox... wow. Way to sling mud. You're saying we should lynch them regardless of a fairly believable cop claim, just because you suspect a third party? Awful easy way to get two lynches for scum, if you ask me - especially since we won't know what they are. I think you created that first note, Darox, in order to prepare for a dissimulation technique just like this when a Cop came out with "not mafia" results.

unvote; Vote Darox

So you are suggesting that I somehow knew that there was a cop, AND that they would get 'not mafia' results, and decided to put a piece of paper in the Day 2 capsule to help this along?

Wait, What?

Pacman just suggested that there could be a third party, which supports what I was suggesting.

I don't think we should lynch MLF, because being 'not mafia' is better than not having a definite alignment.

[Rotten Snitch]

Not sure where I stand on the Darox wagon right now. I believe there could be a third party. Yos and I just finished a game with 3 wolves and one hitman.

Darox... wow. Way to sling mud. You're saying we should lynch them regardless of a fairly believable cop claim, just because you suspect a third party?

I don't like KoC saying that Darox wants to lynch MLF because of a third party. Darox was the first to unvote when Yos claimed. How can you say he still wants to lynch? He may be as skeptical as am I of the Not Mafia read.

I am worried about the papers. Which is causing me my indecisivness.
We have papers claiming Ythill is town and we have Yos claiming Clammy and MLF are not mafia. Can we believe the paper? What reason would scum have for telling the town we lynched a townie? Also what reason would scum have for trying to cover up Ythill with a town read when we do not know the setup and it's no reveal?
I believe Yos's claim. But I also want to know how someone would know that Ythill is town. Or is it just Scum taunting us? I had asked before if there was a possible role that investigated dead players for alignment and it seems plausible in a no reveal game for something like that. What would be the point of having paper if the uses of it are ignored?

I apologize for not being around much this week. It's been busy at work and I will not be around this weekend.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I had asked before if there was a possible role that investigated dead players for alignment and it seems plausible in a no reveal game for something like that. What would be the point of having paper if the uses of it are ignored?

Yeah, I'm going to assume that the majority of papers are going to be accurate, because, I mean, in a no-reveal game we're already sort of behind the 8-ball.

Regarding the "not mafia" thing, it doesn't sound like darox meant that clammy and mlf

were

third-parties, only that they might be, but still, it seems a little opportunistic, so my vote will stay.

[Rotten Snitch]

And for that reason I am suspicious of Darox as well. However, I still do not like IcemanE's play right now and I have been trying to make a larger post but work has been in the way.

I will be reading through and posting next week on my main suspicions of him and will also read back on Darox's play.

[icemanE]

The most interesting note so far is the one that cuts off at the maximum amount of letters, maybe tomorrow we'll get the rest of the sentence.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I doubt it. Surely the person who wrote that would have known it'd be cut off... either they wanted to induce this kind of puzzling over it, or they were gambling on getting more paper somehow.

[Yosarian2]

We have papers claiming Ythill is town and we have Yos claiming Clammy and MLF are not mafia. Can we believe the paper? What reason would scum have for telling the town we lynched a townie? Also what reason would scum have for trying to cover up Ythill with a town read when we do not know the setup and it's no reveal?

I wouldn't necessarally "trust" the papers, but I will say that, in a no reveal game, it's fairly common for there to be a "Coroner" role that can find out the alignment of dead people.

[pacman281292]

Pacman just suggested that there could be a third party, which supports what I was suggesting.

ehm... only one third-party at max (town is underpowered, and I think that it's very possible to not to have it).

[Darox]

ehm... only one third-party at max (town is underpowered, and I think that it's very possible to not to have it).

I wasn't suggesting

multiple

third parties.

What makes you think the town is underpowered?

[pacman281292]

ehm... only one third-party at max (town is underpowered, and I think that it's very possible to not to have it).

I wasn't suggesting

multiple

third parties.

What makes you think the town is underpowered?

No-reveal. That makes the town become an extremely uninformed team.

[Darox]

And you don't think the town would have something to make up for that?

[pacman281292]

And you don't think the town would have something to make up for that?

Does not compute *explodes*


Sorry, I didn't understand the question.

Oh, I will be LA during the weekend. Sorry.

[Knight of Cydonia]

He means that surely, in this situation, the town has some pro-town power roles, most likely a coroner as well as Yos's cop claim?

[icemanE]

Surely the person who wrote that would have known it'd be cut off... either they wanted to induce this kind of puzzling over it, or they were gambling on getting more paper somehow.

Hmm... you could be right, but I don't know why they'd want us puzzling over it.

Question: Do you think the coroner would be able to tell us flat out through the paper that we'd killed a scum, and tell us who it is, or would they have to do it in a roundabout fashion without being specific?

[pacman281292]

Oh, I will be LA during the weekend. Sorry.

For a weird reason, I didn't get LA. So, I'm still here