kitten around/furtiveglance+Lady Lambdadelta/Ranger mafia thread

[xyzzy]

hey, sorry I missed this context when you brought it up earlier, but to be clear, the ascetic ability does not target a player. it makes *you* ascetic for the night.

[furtiveglance]

Well

Roleblock Lycanfire

[furtiveglance]

Well

Roleblock Lycanfire

Roleblock Lycanfire

[Korina]

Locking for daystart <3

[furtiveglance]

Hmm

Did you get what KT gave you then? What am I missing?

[Ranger]

I lied. :P

Ranger Kills: HighPrincessErinys

[furtiveglance]

I might as well whip out the hydra ability.

Who did you have in mind again?

[Ranger]

For the record, if all goes according to plan, tomorrow should be lylo:
There’s 14 alive right now, with 5 scum who collectively win together.

Two successful nightkills brings us to 12 alive tomorrow.

With a single mislim, we get 11 alive going into night. Assuming no failed scum kills, that’s 9 alive with 5 scum.

Even if a scum is shot, that would be 8 alive with 4 scum alive. Both factions should choose cooperation, and while we lose a nightkill, we still have four scum alive that can win together, and a nightkill, with 8 alive.

Even if Titus bombs scum, that doesn’t change. Her death brings us down to 8 alive with 5 scum.
Or 7 alive with 4 scum if one of us gets killed.
Or 6 alive with 3 scum if one of us gets killed and one of us gets bombed by Titus.

Regardless, as long as no scum dies TONIGHT or TOMORROW, and as long as all four nightkills succeed, we should win.

The main threat to this is if Not_Mafia is a Jester.
Ideally, we can kill two birds with one stone and convince Titus that NM is a jester, get her to bomb him, and instead mislim Quiet Owl.

But barring scum death or failed kills, we're actually positioned to win fairly easily.

[Ranger]

I might as well whip out the hydra ability.
Who did you have in mind again?

We need someone with charisma and force of will, capable of pulling off the final needed mislim to win.

My first instinct is thus Lady LambdaDelta, as she is quite capable of doing precisely that.

[furtiveglance]

I wouldn't count ya chickens. This game seems insanely chaotic and I wouldn't be surprised if there was another Vig or something

[furtiveglance]

I might as well whip out the hydra ability.
Who did you have in mind again?

We need someone with charisma and force of will, capable of pulling off the final needed mislim to win.

My first instinct is thus Lady LambdaDelta, as she is quite capable of doing precisely that.

Do you think my (1) game with her in HotD is a convincing reason to recruit her?

[Ranger]

I wouldn't count ya chickens. This game seems insanely chaotic and I wouldn't be surprised if there was another Vig or something

Still, they need to shoot scum TONIGHT, or we win. I feel fairly confident we can win here. We need to take some caution to be sure, but we shouldn’t deny ourselves the win off of the possibility of town killing scum.

[Ranger]

I might as well whip out the hydra ability.
Who did you have in mind again?

We need someone with charisma and force of will, capable of pulling off the final needed mislim to win.

My first instinct is thus Lady LambdaDelta, as she is quite capable of doing precisely that.

Do you think my (1) game with her in HotD is a convincing reason to recruit her?

Yes.
She literally won the town that game on the day which was Mylo.
Your recruiting her makes perfect sense.

[furtiveglance]

For the record, if all goes according to plan, tomorrow should be lylo:
There’s 14 alive right now, with 5 scum who collectively win together.

Two successful nightkills brings us to 12 alive tomorrow.

With a single mislim, we get 11 alive going into night. Assuming no failed scum kills, that’s 9 alive with 5 scum.

Even if a scum is shot, that would be 8 alive with 4 scum alive. Both factions should choose cooperation, and while we lose a nightkill, we still have four scum alive that can win together, and a nightkill, with 8 alive.

Even if Titus bombs scum, that doesn’t change. Her death brings us down to 8 alive with 5 scum.
Or 7 alive with 4 scum if one of us gets killed.
Or 6 alive with 3 scum if one of us gets killed and one of us gets bombed by Titus.

Regardless, as long as no scum dies TONIGHT or TOMORROW, and as long as all four nightkills succeed, we should win.

The main threat to this is if Not_Mafia is a Jester.
Ideally, we can kill two birds with one stone and convince Titus that NM is a jester, get her to bomb him, and instead mislim Quiet Owl.

But barring scum death or failed kills, we're actually positioned to win fairly easily.

I do think Quiet Owl is a doable vote.

[furtiveglance]

I might as well whip out the hydra ability.
Who did you have in mind again?

We need someone with charisma and force of will, capable of pulling off the final needed mislim to win.

My first instinct is thus Lady LambdaDelta, as she is quite capable of doing precisely that.

Do you think my (1) game with her in HotD is a convincing reason to recruit her?

Yes.
She literally won the town that game on the day which was Mylo.
Your recruiting her makes perfect sense.

This could work

I also think people could read scum motivation/teammate influence into my recruiting her, the more natural choice might be someone I've played with more extensively. I think Lukewarm and Aisa come to mind

[furtiveglance]

There's also the question of which course of action is more believable. If I do suddenly become a hydra, people will naturally ask my role, and I'm not sure what to claim. I don't see why a hydra recruiter would be gated to Night 3, and it's a niche thing on its own. I'd probably have to claim some kind of wack JOAT with nothing abilities.

Alternatively, I could just not claim/claim VT and as you're saying, potentially cruise to a win

[xyzzy]

quick note re: 132

both mafia factions choosing cooperate does not cause you to win together. you are separate factions now and cannot win together.

[furtiveglance]

quick note re: 132

both mafia factions choosing cooperate does not cause you to win together. you are separate factions

now

and cannot win together.

Just to clarify: this 'now' refers to the hypothetical scenario in which

another

mafia dies, right?

[xyzzy]

no; you became separate factions the moment kitten around died.

"the first time a member of a mafia faction dies by any means, the mafia factions become separate, and the other faction will become an opposing faction."

[furtiveglance]

Argh

rip Ranger's plan

Quiet Owl into McMenno then hopefully

Might have to nightkill MathBlade

[Ranger]

That’s inconvenient.

I believe we might still be able to orchestrate a tie, if we play it perfectly, but I need to figure out how that would work.

[Ranger]

By the way, whatever you do, don’t use multiquotes in private topics. They’re bugged and will carry the quote into every topic. Which is a one-way ticket to a modkill.

[furtiveglance]

ok.

[Ranger]

We can’t kill someone who we know is mafia, so we can’t kill McMenno.

A second mafia death means one faction loses their kill, but the other faction loses a member (if both cooperate).

If they have a role capable of permanently surviving, then we may be able to orchestrate a tie, with us having the nightkill and them having the kill foiling.

Otherwise, our only chance for a tie is to have even numbers and hope that the "can’t kill mafia" is carried to the logical conclusion of not suddenly being able to when only scum remain.

[Ranger]

MOD: Per our role pm, we cannot kill someone who we know to be mafia.
If there are zero town players left alive and the factions are equal sizes, e.g. 1:1, 2:2, would the result be a stalemate?

Logically PER THE WORDING OF THE ROLE PMs, it

should

be, because there’s no "disabled in endgame" clause. So the inability to kill someone who we know to be mafia should remain, and the inability to eliminate each other would be an eternal stalemate.