Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

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[Naerys]

What do you think about shaddow?

Its my prefered lim for today, tbh.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Are you SR Hu Tao that much? Why?

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Are you SR Hu Tao that much? Why?

In a pool of {shaddow, Hu, Naerys, RN} I think Hu has the most partner equity with the rest of the group

[Black]

Do you townread Hu and if so then why?

[Naerys]

Do you townread Hu and if so then why?

The problem with Hu is that i never know what to think of her. When i TR her, then she flips scum. And when i SR her, she flips town. Might have to look at gob/Hu interactions, but i am not good at seeing partner equity at all. Do you have some examples?

[Naerys]

i will post few Gob-Hu interactions i actually find curious

BTW, is there anything we deduce from the text on Snowy Owl?
3 threats (human activity, climate change, decline in species they hunt) = 3 scums?
Or based on your experience here it's just a text with no hints?

Nice to meet you, Snow. Glad to see you got a green pm

Uhhhh


isnt this a slip?

VOTE: black sheeping gob

VOTE: cakez

This is towny from Cakex actually

Why?

just is, trust me

honestly std has been bugging me
more than black


anyone want to vote std?

I'd rather vote t3

bye bye

[Naerys]

But then again, some of gobs post make me look bad too

[SmileyDude1]

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Are you SR Hu Tao that much? Why?

In a pool of {shaddow, Hu, Naerys, RN} I think Hu has the most partner equity with the rest of the group

Making a quick work post to say that Ive finished thinking about my reads on HT/NAS/RN and I've narrowed down to HT/RN here.

I agree with the above post and I'm fine hammering Hu here though I've been thinking that RN lim here might actually be better in terms of game state.

I should be able to post in around 4-5 hours from now and would like to bounce my logic off of you before the day ends. Pls no hammers before then. Thanks

[Hu Tao]

Well it's not me and I'm not sure what to tell you

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

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You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum

[NotAScum]

You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum

Do you think Black is scum? What do you think of Black's interaction with gob?

[SmileyDude1]

I removed NAS from my pool for today due to kind of townreading their persistence on the Black/Hu Tao solve idea. It's giving me "I am right and I don't care what anyone else thinks" type of energy that I feel more often comes from town. I do legitimately believe their wrong on Black, and yeah in theory it could be newbScum pushing to keep Black in the pool and not aware of the optics (hence why I'd keep an eye on this slot should we get to M/ELO), but I think based on what i've seen, I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt that I think a scum NAS probs realizes that their Black push is against the grain a while ago and would've either softened on it or dropped it altogether. That and I don't really think it's a high info flip anyways


The reason I thought Nurse might be a better lim than HT is that it's probably stronger as an info flip in the off chance we wind up mislimming here. I think it'd be a better flip for clarifying Shaddow/Naerys here. I think general viewpoint is that there's a decent chance that there is scum here, though i'm not sure there's consensus that there has to be at this point. Looking at RN/NAS/HT pairs, I can see RN/HT working and ,while weird given their similar approaches, RN/NAS could potentially be feasible as well, though I think ,given how this phase went and even suspicions going back to day 2, I don't think HT/NAS can ever be partnered here. Thus an RN green flip likely would confirm that there's at least 1 scum in Shaddow/Naerys where as an HT green flip leaves that more up in the air and would make the oncoming MELO more difficult.

In short, I think HT probs is more likely to hit red than RN but is probs a worse flip in the event we wind up hitting green here.

Black, StD I would like your thoughts on the above

[Black]

I won't be around too much this weekend but if we think Hu is more likely to flip red than RN then I think we should just go Hu

[Black]

I understand your logic of maybe wanting to get more info from a RN flip but I don't feel great about him flipping red

[SmileyDude1]

You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum

Do you think Black is scum? What do you think of Black's interaction with gob?

I'm fairly confident that Black is town for reasonings that can be found in these two posts below (the first relating to why I believe her TPR claim and the second relating to why I don't think Black's interactions with Gob are partnered)

Bringing this back again

<---- My Brain after reading these last few pages

Ok given the cat's out of the bag now I think it's best for me to claim what I know.

I am a town neapolitan

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N1: Checked Black. came up not a VT
N2 Checked StD. came up a VT

I'm inclined to believe that Black is telling the truth when she claims TPR here. I think her postulating concern in her 772 about NaS rolefishing alongside the multiple instances where she expressed more worry about being forced to claim than actually being eliminated ( 824, 831, 935, 939, 946 there might be more in there though I think this sufficiently shows my point) point towards Black telling the truth in regards to being a town PR in my opinion

VOTE: Black

It is clear to me that Black and Gob are teammates.

Black needs to go. Her attempt at distancing was poor and awkward. It never felt a genuine interaction between gob and Black, her response was over the top and showy. Just go and read her iso and tell me it's a genuine attempt to find a scum, she seemed to have made her mind throughout the conversation with gob. It wasn't genuine at all.

VOTE: Black

I've mentioned my qualms with this earlier in my 1081, about how the conflict between the two slots was too persistent and longstanding to be scum distancing. Digging deeper there were some moments where Gob got hostile with Black that I just don't think happens if their interaction was theatre namely stuff like 858, 861, and 992 give the vibes of legit frustration with Black that I don't think happens in a world where they're both scum and Gob knows Black doesn't mean what she' saying.

What makes you two feel so confident that Black is partnered with Gob? Show your work.

If you're town I ask that you consider the points made in the above posts

[SmileyDude1]

Alright then, I think we just VOTE: Hu Tao and move on then (sorry if wrong)

I'm probably dead tonight so legacy reads.

StD is conf town, never vote him
Black is also probably town, can't clear her but probs never vote there either

Less confident on this but NAS has a bit of a stubborness to them that seems towny, keep an eye on the slot, but would be weary of limming it next unless tomorrow winds up being MELO.

[Hu Tao]

You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum

Do you think Black is scum? What do you think of Black's interaction with gob?

No I think black is town

[shaddowez]

I'm back and catching up, but based on what I've read so far I'm comfortable with HT. Her defense on Naerys, regardless of Naerys' alignment, feels like it's forced and not a real town read. Some of the assumptions/reasonings there don't come off as legit.

VOTE: Hu Tao

How come you don't question my read on you?

Because you already said you were going to look more into me, and I care more about trying to find actual scum than waste time asking about people's reads on me.

So you think I'm scum because of my Naerys read but smiley had a similar read to me, which I stated before him

1. Not just because of this
2. Smiley shows his work, doesn't just state final thoughts.
3. I've never said that I agree with Smiley's Naerys read, but based on the above 2 I haven't found anything to directly question about it just yet.

Have you played with me before?

Can you answer this question BTW. Not sure if you missed it

Sorry, I did miss this - yes, but I think it's only been 1 game.

[shaddowez]

Shaddow what is your current readslist

About to head off for the night, but putting this in my ISO to come back to tomorrow.

From least likely to be scum to most likely to be scum:

{shaddowez} - because I know my alignment, therefore the most sure I'm the towniest
{smiley, STD} - smiley because unless he has us all fooled has been townie all game, and STD because of the PR clear
{Black} - because she's impossible for me to read. I'm pretty sure she's town though, unless it's a smiley/Black team
{NaS} - doesn't scream town, but doesn't scream scum either
{RN, Naerys} - still SR Naerys, and could see some partner equity with RN.
{HT} - because I'm voting here

[shaddowez]

What do you think about shaddow?

Its my prefered lim for today, tbh.

Why?

[shaddowez]

What do you think about shaddow?

Its my prefered lim for today, tbh.

Why?

[Ausuka]

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