Large Normal 247 - Day 4

[biancospino]

2.04

Votecount 2.04

Ranger (E-2): Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Thomith, PenguinPower, Gypyx
Naerys (1): Little Will o' Wisp
Random Nurse (1): Naerys
Gypyx (1): Ranger

Not Voting (5): Oblivion, Snow2697, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Titus

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-06 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Ranger]

the scum PT ?

Would a scum PT have the information of the entire game thread within?

Would I, in my delirious state, have been able to read such a scum PT in the two minutes between me reading my role PM and beginning to read the game?

I read my role PM at X:04, approximately 42 minutes ago.

Would I have had the time to read and surmise the gamestate?

Or would I simply be posting from what I saw, as I saw it, as I claimed?

I genuinely didn't have the time to have read any scum PT.

the need to give an explaination to it before even starting your catchup seems to come from a place of unwarranted defensiveness?

The need to share a medical emergency which happened in the time between offering to replace in and actually playing isn't something you think I need to immediately disclose?

There's an explanation slots who offer to replace in are going to immediately begin playing at full capacity. I had a medical incident preventing me from doing so. That seems it warrants mentioning.

However you seem awfully defensive about how your argument is literally impossible given the timeline.

Given my medical incident, I couldn't have had the time to both read the scum PT

and

start posting when I did. I would only have had one or the other. So I couldn't have had a scum PT to read, and therefore would not have had awareness of the gamestate.

Usually, that is a sign of a player's alignment. And you seem awfully unable to assess this. Afraid much?

I've come in as a fresh face. Apparently, as a wagoned player. I provide a chance to redeem my slot, give new input, and shift the gamestate. You seem awfully concerned I'll do that.

[PenguinPower]

and here i was all excited for accurate tierlists

My reads are accurately tiered, perhaps you need to evaluate your stances instead?

I mean they are objectively wrong in at least one instance so…you.

[Ranger]

*there's an expectation slots who offer
(sorry, am becoming a little more delirious)

[Ranger]

honestly if i had a vig shot that had to target the entire neighborhood i would take it in a heartbeat

As long as it took out you and Thomith I'd take that two for three trade.

I suppose this answers my question on whether it happened, too.

You did indeed out the neighborhood and the content of said neighborhood from start to finish has left me believing you and Thomith are the suspected mafia and traitor within.

[Gypyx]

that's a lot of words that i'm not sure to answer on all of them expect than by "yeah but like it doesn't mean anything / lying is a thing / i stongly think you're scum so no i don't wanna let you get comfy in thread before starting the hostilities"

and look, i'm cool with being called defensive as long as you admit what you've been saying so far is 10x more guilty of it

[Ranger]

and here i was all excited for accurate tierlists

My reads are accurately tiered, perhaps you need to evaluate your stances instead?

I mean they are objectively wrong in at least one instance so…you.

My scumreads are Gypyx and Thomith, with a lean scum on Little Wil o Wisp. You're a nullread.

I've read five pages of the game plus the five in the neighborhood, ten in total. I started catching up in the neighborhood, reading it first; I came here immediately after.

To be sure, I've got nearly 30 pages I've yet to read; it's quite likely one of my townreads is wrong, and the information on why would be within the pages I've yet to read.

You aren't scum and in fact your content since makes me lean town.

[Ranger]

and look, i'm cool with being called defensive as long as you admit what you've been saying so far is 10x more guilty of it

I will certainly admit to sins I'm guilty of.

Near as I can tell, all I've done is share my reads and been critical of you, sharing my suspicion on you for your play and for your sketchy push on me for reasons that are demonstrably made in bad faith.

Not a single post of mine has been defending myself.

You seem awfully defensive about your read on me being called out for the nonsense it is though.

[PenguinPower]

Alright - go ahead and catch up when you’re feeling better.

[Gypyx]

ugh idk

i guess on the offchance i'm wrong on something i'll hang back a bit, but i would really like you to drop some analysis ranger and less so stating broadly you think me / thomith are scum

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao, Naerys}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

[Ranger]

i guess on the offchance i'm wrong on something i'll hang back a bit, but i would really like you to drop some analysis ranger and less so stating broadly you think me / thomith are scum

That is certainly a fair request.

When I'm not dealing with the delirium of overheating, I'll be sure to share more transparently. You're owed an explanation as it goes both ways; I could certainly be wrong in my suspicion of you. Likely signing off for the night, should be recovered by tomorrow.

[Gypyx]

it's especially cause i really don't get how you could legitimately end up scumreading me / thom and townreading snow / titus

[Thomith]

it's especially cause i really don't get how you could legitimately end up scumreading me / thom and townreading snow / titus

The more that happens the more I think you actually might be right about 3 scum in the hood..

[Random Nurse]

apart from obvtown oblivion ranger has as scum pepople scum!her would need to push back on and people who it doesn't hurt to have a scumread on

You seem to be treating me as if I have more information than what I have read.

You're quite aware of what I've disclosed knowledge of having read. On which pages would there be the knowledge I'd need to push back on slots? Certainly not in anything I've read.

the scum PT ? I don't distrust your medical issue stuff, but i have to say you absolutely had plenty of time to go give it a look, and the need to give an explaination to it before even starting your catchup seems to come from a place of unwarranted defensiveness?

As someone who's frequently AFK due to work and IRL chaos I can sympathize with Ranger being sick and needing time. Obviously Ranger could still be Scum. Are we that close to deadline that Ranger can't be given some breathing room to feel better after this nausea event?

[Gypyx]

apart from obvtown oblivion ranger has as scum pepople scum!her would need to push back on and people who it doesn't hurt to have a scumread on

You seem to be treating me as if I have more information than what I have read.

You're quite aware of what I've disclosed knowledge of having read. On which pages would there be the knowledge I'd need to push back on slots? Certainly not in anything I've read.

the scum PT ? I don't distrust your medical issue stuff, but i have to say you absolutely had plenty of time to go give it a look, and the need to give an explaination to it before even starting your catchup seems to come from a place of unwarranted defensiveness?

As someone who's frequently AFK due to work and IRL chaos I can sympathize with Ranger being sick and needing time. Obviously Ranger could still be Scum. Are we that close to deadline that Ranger can't be given some breathing room to feel better after this nausea event?

This is not a question of if we need time, i just hope you realize that the less time we give scum!Ranger to craft a more coherent story the more likely it is we catch her

but as she is sick keeping the pressure on her would be excessive and unhealthy so i'll just wait and see

[Gypyx]

it's especially cause i really don't get how you could legitimately end up scumreading me / thom and townreading snow / titus

The more that happens the more I think you actually might be right about 3 scum in the hood..

Now that you have seen the truth you may begin opening your third eye my dear apprentice

[Hu Tao]

Ranger I'm sorry you had to replace into a scum slot

[Titus]

In what world am I the top read?

[Alianna]

Little Will o' Wisp is being prodded.

[Oblivion]

apart from obvtown oblivion ranger has as scum pepople scum!her would need to push back on and people who it doesn't hurt to have a scumread on

the top 5 having snow / titus / naerys is extremely jarring

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao, Naerys}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

How is it obvious town, and also, if it is obvious town can it leverage its status as such to assert a little more of its will upon the game? It admits to feeling disconnected.

[Oblivion]

(It is asking how both these players came to view it as town, to be clear).

[Gypyx]

The way it's been playing seems extremely pure, and i also feel like it probably would've made more of an effort to avoid this disconnect from the remainder of the thread, or like, maybe it wouldn't even happen if it were scum

[geraintm]

I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

[Thomith]

I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

Why?

Could you also explain how 2 people who strongly town read each other is "easy for scum to hide behind"?