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[KayJayQueue]

Enchant, what do you think about Kay vs Brian. I'm suddenly torn. I thought the game was solved but there is a chance Kay could be scum.

I’m not seeing it

Not seeing what

Why you think I could be scum

[KayJayQueue]

Alive

Spoiler:

Hu Tao - Rolestopper
Enchant - Vanilla
KayJayQueue - VT
Titus - VT
BlackStar - Roleblocker
Brian Skies - VT

Dead

Greeting,

Town Universal Backup Night 1 Friendly Neighbor

, Executed day 1
SmileyDude1,

Vanilla Townie

, Killed night 1
StraightFlush,

Vanilla Townie

, Executed day 2
JacksonVirgo,

Vanilla Townie

, Killed night 2
yessiree,

Mafia Goon

, Executed Day 3
Political Clout,

Town Reporter

, Killed night 2
PenguinPower

Town Vanilla Cop

, Executed day 3[/spoiler]

This is where we stand with claims and confirmed roles.

[KayJayQueue]

I messed up the formatting but you get the idea

[KayJayQueue]

I’ve looked at a few games and it looks like a usual mini normal had 3 mafia (1-2PRs), 6 VT, 4 town PRs. We have one too many town PR claims and one too many vanilla claims. This makes sense with the setup as the last two scum are obviously lying. The PR claims are probably true but one is just a scum PR. And one vanilla is lying and is either a goon or an unknown mafia PR.

[KayJayQueue]

Hu Tao has been saying all this time that there aren't 2 people with blocking abilities and she claimed VT before. Now that things are turning against Titus she completely changes her story and claims night actions that make both her and Titus look good. It couldn't be more obvious that she's lying

I’m staying open to this solve. I want more opinions though.

[Hu Tao]

There won't be a role blocker and rolestopper in the same game here. It would be too swingy with our PRs that have flipped. My role is confirmed. So blackstar is scum.

[KayJayQueue]

There won't be a role blocker and rolestopper in the same game here. It would be too swingy with our PRs that have flipped. My role is confirmed. So blackstar is scum.

Can you explain how your role is confirmed? What did I miss?

[Hu Tao]

Penguins action n3 was confirmed blocked. He said so.

[KayJayQueue]

I’m kind of wondering now if I was wrong and BlackStar not claiming to roleblock Penguin gives him more credit as town. Hmm.

I honestly think the solve is Hu Tao/Titus or BlackStar/??? (I’m thinking my tinfoil theory about BlackStar and Titus being paired may be too convoluted and it makes just as much sense to accuse town here if he is scum)

I need more input though.

[KayJayQueue]

Penguins action n3 was confirmed blocked. He said so.

But you could’ve blocked him as scum role stopper, so confirming you are role stopper doesn’t confirm your alignment.

[Enchant]

Interesting?

Anyway. Why did yall rush that at the end after he claimed?

His anger at KJQ didn’t seem fake. And you could’ve waited to see how the replacement acted

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay

or Kay is some kind of ascetic.

Correct?

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay

or Kay is some kind of ascetic

. Correct?

Yeah

I think we should just wait for everyone to post, it's possible we have a role blocker who blocked scum, they should just claim if so

I wanted to wait for her to show up, but I guess I might as well do it now. I roleblocked Titus last night.

VOTE: Titus

I think you should claim

Hmmm.

[Hu Tao]

If I get eliminated over the person who claimed to roleblock their town read, I lose faith in mafiascum

[Hu Tao]

Neither Brian or Kay have done anything to get me to townread them. It's sad. And tomorrow I rely on you to figure that out enchant

[Enchant]

Did you leave crumbs or something from which we would figure out who you targeted?

I could search but i am bad about it.

[Enchant]

That's question to both btw

[Hu Tao]

I hate stalling games. BlackStar is pretty much caught scum. Roleblocker and rolestopper are not existing in the same game let's be real. And my role.is confirmed. There is no reason to over think this

[Hu Tao]

Did you leave crumbs or something from which we would figure out who you targeted?

I could search but i am bad about it.

I never soft

[Hu Tao]

But I did role stop my town reads each night

[Hu Tao]

Reminder. The "roleblocker" said this about me. But did not roleblock me last night. And instead "roleblocked" his town read titus

Blackstar can you tell me why you scumread me?

Since this day started you've been trying to cast doubt on literally everyone but you're not fully committing to it. It seems like you're testing the waters to see who most people suspect the most and then you'll join that side

Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

Hmm maybe Titus didn't act one of the nights and why he agreed with this

can i get a claim there, yessiree?

This kinda seems like scum wanting their partner to fake claim

All 3 people who didn't vote yess are sus tbh.

[Hu Tao]

Also wait I just realized something. Since my role is confirmed is rolestopper above role blocker in action resolution? If so, that means if we want to live in fantasy land that Blackstar is a role blocker and targeted Titus, and I targeted Titus, my action would go first. Which means his role block would be stopped. And I would be the reason for the no kill last night.

Which would confirm me as town correct? Since my role is already confirmed by penguin.

[Enchant]

Spoiler: I skimmed ISO huh

Hmm. I have no gut reads so far

Let's lim Hu Tao

Edit: @Nurse, you were correct to infer that I was eager to get some wagons going, but the rest was stretching it

Because I have no reads?

VOTE: Hu Tao

why so defensive

Holy projection

VOTE: yessireee

Couldn't explain so they got defensive

Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scum

VOTE: Straightflush

VOTE: yessiree

Why not? I've scumread them since day 1

I see sense in Hu Tao actions imo.

[Hu Tao]

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay or Kay is some kind of ascetic. Correct?

I guess this is kinda a soft since my role basically makes someone an ascetic

[Hu Tao]

Oh right. I forgot about yessiree. No chance I'm scum with them this game. I can't believe this is a discussion still

[Hu Tao]

Good luck figuring that out tomorrow between Brian and Kay. They both just fence sit.

[Enchant]

Spoiler: BlackStar Iso

personal pet peeve but could yall put giant quote walls in a spoiler

ty ty

Sorry how do you do that?

Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.

interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between them

i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, but

part of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved

. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc

Can you post that game?

Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.

interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between them

i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, but

part of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved

. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc

Can you post that game?

viewtopic.php?t=92350

Thanks. I’ll look over it

1.10

Sorry for the recent lack of flavor, life events have been happening

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greeting (7) :

Titus / StraightFlush / BlackStar / PenguinPower / Davesaz / SmileyDude1 / yessiree

Political Clout (2) :

Brian Skies / yessiree

Brian Skies (1) :

Political Clout

Random Nurse (1) :

Greeting

StraightFlush (1) :

Hu Tao

Titus (1) :

KayJayQueue

Not Voting (1) :

Random Nurse

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-25 13:02:46)

vote history

PenguinPower :

yessiree (8) -> Brian Skies (29) -> Random Nurse (118) -> Political Clout (284) -> KayJayQueue (405) -> Random Nurse (415) -> Greeting (495)

yessiree :

PenguinPower (9) -> Political Clout (82) -> Hu Tao (121) -> Political Clout (316) -> Greeting (547)

Davesaz :

greeting (13) -> Political Clout (76) -> Greeting (523)

BlackStar :

Political Clout (18) -> Unvote(52) -> Random Nurse (90) -> Brian Skies (250) -> Greeting (492)

KayJayQueue :

Brian Skies (22) -> Titus (95) -> Brian Skies (271) -> Titus (540)

Political Clout :

Politicial Clout (26) -> Brian Skies (151)

SmileyDude1 :

Brian Skies (27) -> Unvote (91) -> Davesaz (92) -> Unvote (256) -> Brian Skies (269) -> Greeting (490) -> Unvote (527) -> Greeting (538)

Greeting :

BlackStar (70) -> Unvote (332) -> Random Nurse (335)

Brian Skies :

Political Clout (83)

TItus :

Random Nurse (94) -> Political Clout (285) -> Greeting (422)

StraightFlush :

yessiree (124) -> Brian Skies (216) -> Unvote (400) -> Greeting (491)

Hu Tao :

yessiree (128) -> Brian Skies (419) -> Unvote (420) -> StraightFlush (421)

mod notes

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You have yessiree listed as voting for both Greeting and Political Clout

i mean - sure. doesn't change the fact that this is your progression and it was a bad end to the day:

the speed of the Greeting wagon makes me think he's probably not scum here

Aight, Greeting can go ahead and claim

VOTE: Greeting

let's just get this over with

would rather not let apathy linger

This does seem like a really quick turnaround

And I'd do it agane!!

Why?

Town

Brian Skies
KayJayQueue
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
BlackStar
davesaz
Titus
StraightFlush
Political Clout
Hu Tao

Scum

Anyway, where my head is at. I'm ok with limming any 1 of the bottom 3

Why is BrianSkies so high up?

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

Aldo why bring me up and not the person he was actually voting? Sus

I town read Titus. I’m unsure about you

It doesn't seem like you're paying attention...

I feel like I'm second-guessing my opinions on everyone nonstop. Right now the only person who I'm confident is town is KayKayQueue. Why does it have to be so hard to read people? lol

Talk with yessire more casual than anything. Don't think it looks bad it's just normal.

Had only one strong townread and it's newbie.