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I don't really see any problem with SK not posting a vote in his first post. I don't think it is telling in any way of alignment.IF you are to reach, and I mean reallllllly reach it could be seen as a little cautious. But right now I do think Thor is maybe extremely trying to over justify things in his posts.
RVS is useful for reactions etc... but too much stock is being put on it right now.
In post 27, Micc wrote:I'm a little put of by the fact that Dragons is excited to play the game but isnt willing to help move us into the actual game.
To be fair here, what exactly have you done to move the game forward, you came in and instantly sheeped Thor and followed up with this.
In post 22, Malakittens wrote:
This feels... so fake...
VOTE: Micc
Anyways, I am at work so I'll be back later!
What exactly feels fake?
In post 33, Trojan Horse wrote:In post 32, SleepyKrew wrote:I think it was doing absolutely nothing (though not participating in RVS certainly is a something kind of nothing).
I don't understand why he expected me to start helping in the third post of the game.
Doing "absolutely nothing" is anti-town. Even in the third post of the game, you could've at least cast a vote. That would've helped.
I agree with you on this, but in the first few posts? Would it not be better to see down the line what he does instead of basing an entire case of him not posting a vote and just saying greetings?
I know things in RVS have little info to go on, but this is really stretching things.
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However, I am inclined to ask, as I think the SK didn't post thing will go around in circles, SK.. out of the first few pages, and slight interactions everyone has had.
@SK - What has picked your interest right now? I think this should be a better line of questioning as to trying to over-justify his non vote greetings post. Instead of going around in circles, is there anything that has stood out since your 'greetings' post that you would like to comment on?
Right now Dragon is coming across as pretty much town to me. Good interactions and questioning so far. He is asking questions and trying to get answers - this is town.-
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In post 54, Thor665 wrote:
Okay - what conclusions do you draw from this thought, if any?
Clearly I'm not scummy, because you're not voting me.
So do you agree that your first post was questionable?
You really want me to justify and answer questions about a post that included fire bad - scum bad - scum confirmed... lol??
I don't think you're scummy as such, but I do think you are over trying and drawing attention to yourself.
While I don't agree SK is scummy due to his first post. I am a bit worried that he has been asked a few times what his reads/thoughts are and has not given any independant thoughts right now.
Right now though, if I was going to see anyone as scum it would be
vote:Micc
As I pointed out, its not the sheeping that bothers me, hell if someone didn't sheep thor I would have been surprised, thus is the nature of RVS.
What is bothering me is #27 where he attacks Dragons for, is exactly what he has done himself, nothing to actually try and move the game forward.-
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In post 66, Fenchurch wrote:jason - when did you last play scum?
Outside of marathon games, Team Mafia 2013 I believe. I have hardly played in the last 12/18 months, I actually considered myself near enough retired from playing but our team from 2013 had an automatic entry so I decided to play.
Give me a bit and I will check for you.-
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My last game was June 2014 and I was town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=57689
This was my last scum game, a marathon King maker http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1050
Another scum game back in 2013 the wire http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25285
Team mafia as scum was 2012 actually - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21919
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In post 64, Boonskiies wrote:Jason, are you concluding that you are town reading someone based off of 1 post said in the first 3 pages of the game?
Sorry, missed this post trying to find past games.
No, I was voting based on the fact he had done nothing to move the game forward but made accusations of others not doing it.
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Any reason you continue to ignore people asking you for your thoughts/reads?-
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In post 76, sthar8 wrote:Hooray! I'll read up tonight after work. Or maybe today during work. Don't tell my boss.
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In post 104, pieguyn wrote:
Mara has a scum read on Thor. I don't particularly agree at this point, but I'll work it out later.
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In post 139, Boonskiies wrote:Alright, I get to finally legitimately town read Pie for once. I don't think she would have put me as possible town as scum. Ever.
Unvote
Are you HONESTLY and legit reading someone as town, because she thinks you are town, not scum?
jesus....
In post 142, sthar8 wrote:@jason- why did you comment on my activity, but not delta's?
A mistake, I should have. Since he had not posted, I never even took notice of him.
In post 140, pieguyn wrote:came off more like he was trying to appear like he was being logical and consider all possibilities, without actually committing to a firm stance either way or doing anything to make a hard push on anyone. the question to TH:
This is what confuses me, if I am coming off as Logical and considering all circumstances, shouldn't that show as town not scum? Scum don't need to apply logic or consider possibilities, they know who is scum. It is town that needs to be considerate of all options and be logical about them?
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In post 157, DeltaWave wrote:
I don't have much for reads right now.
Alright, you don't have reads, but is there anything that picked up your interest or even something you took notice of in the first 7 pages?
I understand it can be hard to get reads, I have that issue sometimes. But having nothing at all to go on after 7 pages of pretty much all discussion with little random seems a little weird.
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In post 144, SleepyKrew wrote:jason meta has the chance of giving me a decent scumread on him, and I don't want to push two decent scumreads at once right now, which is why I'm holding off on getting my Trojan read.
I have provided my last 3 scum games on here in the early pages, I would be happy to provide a few town games if need be.-
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In post 64, Boonskiies wrote:Jason, are you concluding that you are town reading someone based off of 1 post said in the first 3 pages of the game?
The Irony in this post is delightful, given you are town reading someone based on one post of them saying they think you are not scum-
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In post 166, Egg wrote:Jason, I think you are misrepping Pie's stance. But, again, I'll let him answer first.
It's not Pis stance I am questioning, it is Boonskii's read of Pi I am wary of.-
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In post 68, Boonskiies wrote:Alright. That makes me feel better. ^ For some reason I thought Jason was already slipping through cracks. Also...I forgot to do my RVS...
Why exactly were you concerned I was 'slipping through the cracks' when at that point you had yet to address or acknowledge any of the points made against me by Thor, Horse etc
you then proceeded to make a random vote even though you had said this before hand
In post 63, Boonskiies wrote:what the heck? we're all just unvoting out of RVS already? And why is their a wagon on Micc?
So if you knew, and awknowledged we were out of RVS, why do you then proceed to later make a random vote with everything going on around you.
You were concerned I was slipping through the cracks, why? As said you have not even made mention of me being scum, but were worried I was not going to be lynched? Help me find your thought process here. It honestly seems you were worried (as scum) that attention might slip away from me and onto actual scum.-
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In post 117, Trojan Horse wrote:Jason, how do you feel about this wagon against you? Obviously, you're going to say "it's wrong, I'm town", but what do you think about the people on the bandwagon?
Sorry, I missed this on first glance read through earlier.
I'm not overly bothered by it tbh. I would rather take time and look for scum, than respond over and over again. I think the reasons of the switching vote and OMGUS are overly stretched, but eh, I am going to continue looking for scum regardless of the wagon against me and how many are on it. I will continue to look for scum and point out what I think is scummy right up until thread locking in the event of my lynch-
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In post 177, Boonskiies wrote:In post 171, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 68, Boonskiies wrote:Alright. That makes me feel better. ^ For some reason I thought Jason was already slipping through cracks. Also...I forgot to do my RVS...
Why exactly were you concerned I was 'slipping through the cracks' when at that point you had yet to address or acknowledge any of the points made against me by Thor, Horse etc
you then proceeded to make a random vote even though you had said this before hand
In post 63, Boonskiies wrote:what the heck? we're all just unvoting out of RVS already? And why is their a wagon on Micc?
So if you knew, and awknowledged we were out of RVS, why do you then proceed to later make a random vote with everything going on around you.
You were concerned I was slipping through the cracks, why? As said you have not even made mention of me being scum, but were worried I was not going to be lynched? Help me find your thought process here. It honestly seems you were worried (as scum) that attention might slip away from me and onto actual scum.
Ridiculous...this is nothing but creating fluff.
Jesus fucking Christ, and people went ape over my OMGUS vote in RVS.
If it is creative fluff, why not actually address the fucking points.-
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In post 181, Boonskiies wrote:Again, hi. Jason...My name is Boonskiies. I'm known to hammer my biggest town read on occasion without letting them claim in a moment's notice. Mainly when I'm town! Me OMGUS'ing is nothing.
Jesus god damn fucking christ... this guy is a fucking liability.-
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In post 181, Boonskiies wrote:Again, hi. Jason...My name is Boonskiies. I'm known to hammer my biggest town read on occasion without letting them claim in a moment's notice. Mainly when I'm town! Me OMGUS'ing is nothing.
Would you have voted me, if I had not brought up I think you are scum??
If so, why had you already not voted me?
Your post about 'slipping through the cracks' seemed like you thought I was scum, but voted elsewhere. Why?
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I am heading off to bed in a minute, so this will be my last post of tonight. But want to say this in the off chance there is a quick lynch
Boon is someone you do not want around late in the game, he has proven he is a liability and there is no town motive from him in anything he has said so far. Do not let him get anywhere near to an end game situation if you truely want town to win this game.
I was asked about how I feel about my wagon earlier, the one thing that I find interesting, and quite concerning is there actually is no viable counter wagon. This wagon on me seems very driven without consideration to anything else. I can handle the wagon on me, the fact there is little alternative cropping up still is concerning though, leading me to believe there may well be scum motive somewhere on my wagon.
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In post 215, Fenchurch wrote:This doesn't seem jason actually believes Boon is scum - scum aren't a 'liability' to the town, and the point about endgame sounds more like he is talking about a town-player who might make the wrong choice.
Major misrep here - the fact I outright state he has no town motivation for his postings indicates I believe he is scum. The fact I am starting to push it a bit more aggressively compared to earlier votes should also be proof I believe he is scum.
Scum are a liability to town. I don't know where you get that I think otherwise.
The fact he is willing to hammer anyone, even if he reads them as town is justification for him to be no where near end game.
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In post 215, Fenchurch wrote:I can't see why any town player would look at their wagon like this. The point about counter-wagons seems basically irrelevant. I would expect a townie to look at the players voting him, look at their reasons, and try and figure out whether each of those are scum or town reasons. But I don't get the impression that jason is doing that at all. And "there may well be scum motive somewhere on my wagon" is about the most non-committal statement ever!
I've already responded to those voting me about their reasons and I am leaving it at that.
As for the counter wagon point, I think it is a valid point that needs looked at.
As for chasing up scum on my wagon you will seeI have already given town reads on Thor and scum reads on both Micc and Boon. And voted for both accordingly. Horse and yourself, Fenchurch are the only 2 I have not figured out as of yet read wise. So your point about me not chasing up those on my wagon trying to figure them out is another MAJOR misrep of what I have said.
I have given reads on 3 out of the 5 voters. So I don't know where you pulled the above from.-
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In post 216, Fenchurch wrote:I also thought jason's three-post-vote on Boon seemed really deliberate and forced.
What exactly feels deliberate and forced. In post #215 ( the post right before this post) you said I was doing nothing to chase up those on my wagon, yet here you are saying it feels forced and deliberate.
Is there no chasing up as you say in 215, or is it forced and deliberate as you say in 216?-
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In post 211, Save The Dragons wrote:I'll post my case when I have time; in the meantime I have nothing better to do with my vote.
While i have you as town, I don't like the vote now, wait for my case mentality.
I am not suggesting you don't have reasons, it just seems like a vote first, and go back and find reasons later.
I don't think this is the case, but it does come across that way.-
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In post 176, Boonskiies wrote:Also, as for my top scum read, it's obviously Jason. Even before he went and started being ignorant and making flawed cases. This just confirms it even more for me. He's posting things that are ridiculous towards me. Like my RVS when I was confused about why people were unvoting everything? COME ON! I'm the Boonskiies here! Look me up. I'm the craziest person out here. Like I always say...usually it's scum who isn't familiar with me who automatically pushes towards me.
VOTE: Jason
I call complete and utter bullshit on this, you made NO mention of me being scum or showed any intention to vote me until I started looking into your behaviour. The only slight post you made on it was me 'slipping through the cracks' which you have yet to follow up on as to why you felt I was slipping through the cracks, without committing to a vote until after I voted you.
Your case is jack shit bollocks and full of OMGUS. In fact, I would go as far as saying you have nothing other than I think you are scum, and therefore you are voting me.-
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In post 226, Boonskiies wrote:Also they say they think I'm playing towards my scum meta yet are bringing up me using self meta, which is a very town meta thing I do
can you back this up? Show me a few games please where you use self meta as town
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In post 226, Boonskiies wrote:Also they say they think I'm playing towards my scum metayet are bringing up me using self meta, which is a very town meta thing I do. My team doesn't agree with me voting Jason. I like causing commotion for the sake of reactions. I believe that should be obvious at this point.
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BINGO DING DING DING WE HAVE A SCUMMER
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Lots of self meta here, from scum Boon.
And lots of the 'this is what I do as town not scum'
And lookie here from that game
In post 1369, Boonskiies wrote:It's self meta. Like how I say that I hammer people at L-1 on Day 1 without much resent when I'm town
And look at this.. exactly the same
In post 181, Boonskiies wrote:Again, hi. Jason...My name is Boonskiies. I'm known to hammer my biggest town read on occasion without letting them claim in a moment's notice. Mainly when I'm town! Me OMGUS'ing is nothing.
Same exact argument used as scum
Eat the fucking noose ASAP. This guy is scum. 100%-
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In post 259, Boonskiies wrote:Why would I ever say that as scum? Damn...
jesus tap dancing crust....
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In post 264, Malakittens wrote:Personally, I think Boons is leaning closer to town than scum. His flail reminds me of town-flail and things. I mean I think he's reacting bad because Jason seems to be all over the place in terms of going after those are easy targets etc, while ignoring questions and ignoring others.
I don't think I have ignored any questions, I have tried to answer anything put towards me. If I have missed anything, by all means re-post or tell me where I missed them and I will try to answer them.
But I don't think I am going after 'easy targets' I am going after who I believe is scum. I also don't believe I am ignoring others as I have interactions with almost everyone in this game so far.-
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In post 267, Malakittens wrote:Fench even requoted it and it still hasn't been answered so.
Point me in the direction of it (post no or quote) and I will answer it. You are acting like I am on purpose avoiding things, when I believe I have responded to everything put my way. If I haven't I will be happy to answer it.-
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In post 311, Micc wrote:Jason push on boon started with a policy lynch type attitude which I didnt like at all, evolved into a meta read that may or may not be valid (sorry. i wont be skimming the games anytime soon). I can see possible town motivation from Jason in that push but ill have to look deeper.
Bollocks - I presented a case and reasons why I believed he is scum and have been pushing it. Nothing 'policy' about it.-
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In post 314, Malakittens wrote:In post 311, Micc wrote:Jason push on boon started with a policy lynch type attitude which I didnt like at all, evolved into a meta read that may or may not be valid (sorry. i wont be skimming the games anytime soon). I can see possible town motivation from Jason in that push but ill have to look deeper.
He also started a policy lynch type push on SK too.
Again, bollocks. I never once said anything about policy lynching Boon or SK.
I had repeatedly pushed SK (as well as others) to provide some game content and actually do something. Many people had asked SK for reads etc and he point blank seemed to refuse for a good portion of the early game.
In post 84, jasonT1981 wrote:Actually
vote: SK
While I do not see the initial posts as scum or scum motivated. The avoidance of giving any opinion of his own is telling
I challenge you to show me exactly where (both you and Micc) where I said ANYTHING about a policy lynch. When in fact I had presented reasons I believe they are scum forBOTHSK and Boon.-
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In post 328, Trojan Horse wrote:In post 317, Fenchurch wrote:Trojan - earlier you mentioned that Tammy expected to be able to get a good read on jason. Has she read the game recently, and if so, what are her current thoughts?
She's following the game. She's still trying to figure Jason out.
It's weird you are still trying to work me out, and the fact you are hanging on for Tammy's opinion seems like you are stalling not wanting to say anything incase it derails the lynch, also if Tammy has experience with me, I (and this is backed up by Zach) would expect her to have something already this deep into the game or even something to say at least.
I brought up the point earlier of no viable counter wagon (at the time) It would heavily suggest 1) scum is already on it or 2) they are happy to just sit back and relax without anyone having to provide alternative options as to them, and others it would seem the lynch is a cert and nothing else has to be done.-
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In post 360, Trojan Horse wrote:Lastly: Jason, Oversoul wants to know if you spent any tokens for this game.
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In post 369, Thor665 wrote:Eh, let's see what Jason flips and then we can debate that. Nacho agrees with you though, so, meh.
It is very interesting you are willing to push this without consideration to anything else and are determined to force this through-
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In post 374, Thor665 wrote:What do you think I need to be considering that I am not?
Alternative options, you seem tunneled on me, and lynch me only.-
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In post 377, Thor665 wrote:I am scumreading a few and mentioned them, but find you more or equally scummy and you also have a large wagon on you, I see no reason to back off from that read imply to pursue someone else because they're a 'different option'.
Alright, break it down for me, what exactly is your full case against me being scum-
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Obligitory Happy Easter Bunny day. Not been about today, this is my only post as its already close to midnight here in the UK and I am going to bed to catch up on Arrow and Flash.
I will reply to this
In post 381, Thor665 wrote:It's a few little things, really, but the concise description would be; overaware RVS, paired with lack of hunting, paired with sudden push on whom I perceive as the weakest player available to push in the game, paired with no actual argument for that case beyond playstyle, paired with the token thing.
This is almost as bad as Fenchurch post I pointed out. Either I am lacking in hunting or pushing?
I am going after my scum reads, and who I think is scum. Not who I think is weakest. The token thing was decided by the team. Not overly bothered either way. If you will read back my reasons for voting boon are more than just playstyle.
What exactly was 'over aware RVS'-
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In post 409, Thor665 wrote:What I voted you for initially - the unvote and immediate reactions thereafter.
I'll reply to the rest in the morning, but I actually didn't react at all to your vote or the reactions to it, I went about my business looking scum IMO. So I am curious to what you mean-
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In fact, I didn't even react at all to it in my posting after.. this was my first post after the wagon formed http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6724186
I assume you are talking about my reactions? correct me if I am wrong, its 1am lol.
In post 409, Thor665 wrote:Question: who do you think is the weakest player here and why?
Since I have been unable to shake the wagon, or get anyone to agree with my reads, I would say me-
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well, one second you say I am lacking in scum hunting, the next I am pushing... which is it?-
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In post 407, Boonskiies wrote:this is actually far too many townreads...
no, its not.. as it narrows down who they think is scum.-
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In post 432, Fenchurch wrote:I see jason finding a match between this game and Boon's scum-meta. Boon then posts links to games where he says it also matches his town-meta, which jason chooses to ignore. (He still has yet to acknowledge them). Since then, I don't think jason has done anything to elaborate further on his case on Boon.
Not had a chance to look through them at all yet that's why I have not went further into it as yet.-
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In post 439, Thor665 wrote:I never said your reactions to my vote, I said your reactions.
Alright, what exactly was my reaction?-
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In post 439, Thor665 wrote:It is quite possible to be pushing someone without scumhunting them - notice that Pie literally just accussed me of the same. This is a pretty normal thing - why does it confuse you.
Also, why did you avoid my other questions?
I push who I think is scum.
As for avoiding questions, I am trying to answer everything put to me, but being Easter holidays I am not able to reply to each and every post, I will get to them.. if you can repost them, that would be great as it will get my attention to them ASAP.-
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In post 439, Thor665 wrote:He is claiming that he is not pushing someone he sees as weak.
All I'd like to know is who he sees as weaker than Boon.
If the answer is 'Boon' then I am curious at his issue with my statement.
If his answer is 'other than Boon' I'd just be mildly curious to hear why for info later.
I consider it quite valid to the attack he had about my attack on him.
Already addressed this.... read my posts-
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In post 439, Thor665 wrote:I never said your reactions to my vote, I said your reactions.
Actually, I wouldinsistyou expand on this other than 'reactions'
EVERY time its been brought up you just say reactions.
How did I react? what did you find wrong with how I reacted... what was scummy about it?-
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In post 409, Thor665 wrote:Refusing to discuss it tends to strongly suggest that at least one of you went scum though.
Plain and simple, its a distraction, and nothing but stalling from you. If you are to find scum, find it in actions in game. The fact you are using it to 'harden' up your 'case' about allignment shows how desperate you are
In post 409, Thor665 wrote:Like which?
I present you the following
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In post 445, Thor665 wrote:
PEdit - all of that looks like playstyle to me.
Nacho agrees with me strongly on this one.
it took you less than two minutes to read that? And get a response from Nacho?? I call BS.-
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In post 445, Thor665 wrote:It is being shoveled at me with both hands, eh?
god forbid you take two seconds to do a bit of work-
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In post 445, Thor665 wrote:You tried hard to distance from the concept of RVS logic cases.
Have you ever stated this belief elsewhere in other games?
Don't think I have been run up like this in RVS before, not that I can remember.
Anyway, why did I ignore it? it's fluff... its a first post OMGUS and a piss take about fire bad scum bad. I prefer to spend my time actually looking for scum than chasing your non existent fairy tales.