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Why don't you want to skip RVS?
Mara, my team says you probably put scum tokens in, by the way. You're so mean to ignore me.-
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(I'm being an awful employee and sneaking on at work at a desk where everyone can see me. So I might be slow to respond to stuff and then only give one-liners.)
Quilford, yes, we think what you think we think, since tokens are a no-brainer in your case.However, you clearly didn't get the alignment you want, because you're lying scum for forgetting we were scum together in Marketplace.
Mara, I'll follow up on this after double-checking with my team on this (I think it was Empire who told me this, although it could have been Regfan).
ETL, I did try to phrase it in a way that wouldn't take the pressure off Mara. But it did seem sort of a weird question to ask her (since the implicit message seemed to be that longer RVS is good--apparently, that's what you were going for?), so was curious to your thought process behind it.-
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In post 71, BipolarChemist wrote:While I fully agree on disliking BB's post, I don't think it's alignment indicative.
Do you think anything is alignment-indicative so far, BPC?-
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In post 78, BipolarChemist wrote:Not overly alignment indicative, no! There are a couple things that ping out like ETL's posting, but that's something most seem to be picking up on.
I'm not picking up on it--I mean, I'm sort of skimming right now and haven't followed the exact post numbers of Quil's case, but she seems fine right now.
Please explain exactly what "pings out" in her posts. And where you've seen Quilford play like this.
You're posting a lot like scum right now, FYI. Are you always this wishy-washy?-
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Empire says that Mara used to take strong pride in her scum game (which is suggested in 39). He's apparently spoken about this with Cabd before. (I can ask him for examples later.)
Patrick, why don't you look obvtown yet? Is it because of the scum tokens you bid on this game? (Here, some attention for you!)
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But then you'll just say whichever of my theories makes your team sound the most virtuous, and that's no fun.
(If you're going to be coy, can you at least tell me whether you or CES would have been more likely to take them?)
p-edit: It should be obvious that I'm following the game well enough to have reads. That's part of why I hated your hedging so much. All I meant is that scrolling back and following all the posting numbers in Quilford's case is hard from work.-
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EBWOP: I hated your hedging because I felt like it wasn't that hard to pick up some preliminary reads from what went down up to that point. (Mostly parroting the ETL case looked really scummy, though.)
In post 114, BipolarChemist wrote:That's blatantly not caring about reads, yet she's picking up on me having reservations about townreading a couple people early on? Okay...
I wanted to give you credit for picking a creative, not-very-mislynchable target, but I just reread this and realized this makes no sense. "Blatantly not caring about reads"? WTF?-
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In post 121, Patrick wrote:Alchemist's posts so far look like he's trying to appear involved without really adding anything - he's asking questions and taken a side on a couple of things, but seems to do so in a way that doesn't add any pressure or lead to any interesting followup. He's my best guess for scum so far. Does anyone (apart from serra) get the same impression?
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In post 116, BipolarChemist wrote:I haven't played with Patrick! Does he tend to like scum more, Mina?
TBH, I'd vaguely remembered him preferring town, but 1) I could see his team doing the less expected move if they wanted a scum PM, 2) he's a priority for us to sort, 3) I like reaction-fishing, and 4) I like shameless token-fishing even more.
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In post 1, Alchemist21 wrote:My favorite alignment is scum, because then you have permission to screw with people. I think I'd like being a Serial Killer better, but so far I haven't had the pleasure (closest I've been was solo'ing a game as the last scum offsite, and I had an unusual game mechanic provide a huge help).
Honesty would have served you better.
Quilford: Because it feels like this player list is really easily PoE-able. You, ETL, and probably serra are town. Now I think Patrick looks town (although he's the one person who I think could really fuck us over if he's scum). Mara looks kind of genuine, except she's sort of in the same general fuzzy bunny scumbag as, e.g., Malakittens in Wicked who posts a lot of nice posts about safer topics, so sure, she can be in my extended lynch pool. But that leaves Alchemist, BPC, and BBmolla. BBmolla is really readable, so we'll know one way or another soon.
And that's without any super-powered innocent children claiming. And without roles that ensure if scum is lynched D1, the game is broken.
I prefer BPC's later posts to his earlier ones, and admittedly, he's someone I can see being middle-of-the-road and overly nice as either alignment. But his earlier posts come across as pretty much the textbook safe, agreeable, "I'm going to say both good and bad things about everyone to keep myself open to lynch them" scumbag. His stances feel middle-of-the-road in a calculated (not sure if that's the best word choice) rather than an indecisive way. Regfan and Empire are annoying and think BPC is town, though. Boo.-
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In post 150, Alchemist21 wrote:I also don't get how people are scumreading me while Townreading BPC. We're doing the same things, just BPC has more words.
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In post 156, Ms Marangal wrote:Mina, why do you think quil is town?
He's really, really, really, really, REALLY easy to read.-
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Mara, why, in your own words? (p-edit: lol)
If Quilford were scum, then 1) he would barely be posting, and 2) what he would post would be a lot less carefree and relaxed. My team has seen him as scum. He's town unless he took a level in Machiavelli over the summer. (But frankly, he just reads as pretty genuine anyway.)-
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Quilford, Regfan says you're scum who's doing distancing with Alchemist and buddying up to me.
(Not "I think Quilford is scummy." "Hey, guess what, the scum in your game are Alchemist and Quilford." Regfan is weird sometimes.)
Now can you tell me your reads? So he leaves me alone?
(Well, also, there was something I noticed while writing a response to BPC last night I fell asleep in the middle of, so I'd prefer hearing what you say when I'm not prodding you in a certain direction.)-
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In post 201, Quilford wrote:Your assumption that I sheeped Mina rests on no solid evidence but on the presupposition that I'm scum, which itself is what you're trying to prove by arguing that I sheeped Mina. In fact, if you looked inside my Team PT you would see that at 8:59.17 am, a full hour before Mina made her reads post in thread,I posted a reads list basically the same as Mina's bar the position of two names.
Okay, that sort of clears up what I was looking for, anyway.
(I'm not sure why I'm the one being sheeped when I don't think I even pushed Alchemist particularly hard. But now I'm just fluff-posting until I get home.)-
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In post 209, BBmolla wrote:Ask regfan what he thinks of serra
He doesn't have much of one. Should I just summarize the entire Skype message he left me?
UNVOTE: BBmolla
Don't want to vote Alchemist with this big a wagon in a nine-player game, and am waiting for a persuasive explanation from my teammates for why BPC is town.-
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In post 215, Alchemist21 wrote:Where did I ever assume any of that? You came in and made a weak push on me. The ONLY reason I would have to think you're Town is what you said about my RVS comment. It's so bad I actually wondered if it was you pulling a slayer's gambit; I've seen it floating around in some of the other games.
Please explain what was so shockingly bad about his reasons for voting you. Why do you think he was deliberately trying to look scummy for his? (I canmaybeunderstand thinking someone's scum for voting on an RVS post--although it's still a really bad reason to scumread someone--but isn't "it's possible you did so PEOPLE WOULD THINK YOU'RE SCUMMY AND VOTE YOU" a bit over the top? Particularly when using that in defence for why you might come across to be implicitly assuming Molla's town.)-
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My non-troll answer is that Quilford says some pretty town things on this page, and I don't have more than mild paranoia, 50% of which was influenced by my evil teammates.
In post 153, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mina, He's null to me. There are people who take a little while longer to get reads in a game, and he hasn't done anything I would consider alignment indicative.
And why are Quilford and BBmolla (who've had more stances than BPC--Quilford made a case on page two) scummy for "not scumhunting"?
(I read your post as "Why are you townreading my buddy and not me?" and liked that you were implicitly calling yourself scummy, but that was probably influenced by where my reads were at the time.)
In post 168, Ms Marangal wrote:It ended up being more a case of "why not"
ETL hit town rediculously early and serras response to me was highly favorable and it's difficult seeing that actually coming from a town perspective.
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In post 221, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mina, Show me where he has any reason for voting me other than my RVS vote and his sheeping. How does he actually get a scumread out of what I said in RVS anyway? I thought about the possibility of a slayer's gambit because it seems to be a trend in Team Mafia.
Do you believe it's impossible to get a scum read on someone in RVS?
His later posts were the really town ones, but your case is basically that he's succinct. Aside from this being typical for BBmolla, succinct players aren't such rare creatures that anyone with a bit of experience onsite should be scumreading them JUST for being succinct. So if you're not scum, you're scumhunting very superficially--and inconsistently. (Basically, I agree with 201.) Do you have any scumreads who don't suspect you?
Anyway, I'd like to hear more from people who aren't in a back-and-forth with the Alchemist A couple more obvtown players would be nice before we move forward.
p-edit: I'll explain the read in more detail when I get home, Alchemist. A lot of it is gut, since I guess there are posts that someone could point to and go, "Aha, you're doing THIS superficially scummy thing."-
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Have you played with BPC before? Is this typical for him?In post 214, BBmolla wrote:I don't plan on actually being able to read bpc so get back to us on that one
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Oh, I generally start out as cocky, when the stakes are low and there's no actual pressure to make a life-or-death decision. Don't worry. The cracks in my sanity will be visible soon. ^_^
(I originally had that worded as "Regfan has weird reads sometimes," since the Quilford-is-obvscum one came out of nowhere to me, but "weird" encompasses both the reads and the overconfidence. Why do you think that's alignment-relevant? Also, doesn't this contradict "Mina has written off Quilford is town"? In all fairness, I'm probably being a lot more inscrutable/succinct with my reads than usual, though--in part because I'm posting in little bits when I'm supposed to be working.)-
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I fell asleep last night writing it (READ MY POSTS ;_;).
Actually, since it's not going to get a really interesting answer, I might as well give away serrapaladin is what I was driving at re: Quilford here, here, and here. I was reading back in order to respond to you, went, "Huh, serrapaladin's big post is actually a lot less substantial than I remember. Maybe I should reevaluate." So then I had a moment of paranoia about Quilford for being all, "ilu Mina for your gorgeous reads!" (also, since I think that's the point where Empire started chiming in with, "Hey, Mina, watch out for Quilford, because Regfan and I have been TALKING about him" and I started getting paranoid).
As for why I initially townread him...I had a positive reaction to his big post because I agreed with virtually all his opinions, and I just liked the tone for some reason.
ETL I remember there were specific posts I townread (I forget what they are, but I'll look for them when I get home), but it's mostly gut and just that she looked like she was scumhunting in her interactions with Mara/Quilford. Quilford's actual case I thought was..eh, all right for an RVS case? ETL's first few posts were a bit iffy, although I don't know if "jumpy" is the word I'd use and I remember her looking a lot better at the point you jumped in. But your post felt very empty and felt more like it was subtly pushing the ETL-is-scummy-because-look-someone-made-a-case-on-it, but without joining the wagon or really coming across as though you sincerely believed it.
I buy the teammate argument--tbh, I was expecting someone to go, "Omigod, you're subtly casting doubt on Quilford by blaming Regfan." However, Empire and Regfan are both fantastic town players (not that Zar is bad by any means, either!), so their opinions have a lot of weight with me, and we're being very hands-on with each other's games so far. Expect their names to be mentioned a lot more.-
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In post 235, Patrick wrote:Mina, are you good forum scum?
Probably? I think I'm capable of sounding pretty town as scum (although couldn't you just ask CES that?). I don't think I look as town as when I'm actually town, but luckily, it's still enough to fool people! I mean, I don't think most of my posts so far have been particularly unfakeable, although I haven't really been playing very image-consciously so far.-
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Sorry! If it helps, don't worry, I'll probably be obvtown eventually. I'm just not sure if it's obvious yet from to an objective observer. (You could have also tried the "Boy, Mina is sooooo scary and unlynchable, and so dangerous with her Rising Star/Paragon team" approach, but too late, I guess.)
If it also helps, I'm internally waffling right now! I'm going to keep it out of the thread for now, though.-
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I think my pool now is stillprobablyAlchemist/serra/BPC, which means one of them is scum and the second is some random person I'm misreading because I suck. I have doubts on Alchemist/BPC that I'll keep to myself for now, since I'm a very decisive person with very decisive opinions.
My experience with Quilford is that he hates scum and tends to lurk when he draws it. I can see him still being active D1 in brief spurts, but 1) probably not staying up until 3 AM, and 2) also probably scumreading people for really bad reasons. (I'd thought Empire and Regfan were aware of this, though, so I'll get back to you here.) I also liked the post about how people voting Alchemist bolstered his confidence.-
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2) also probably scumreading people for really bad reasons.
To elaborate, I remember he made reads lists occasionally when he was hydraing with N, and they were all pretty bad and empty.
(Empire said he played well as Pandora in ADwD, but I remember that being mostly Shadoweh--even his D1 posts were just okay. Patrick, did CES say anything to you about Quilford's meta?)
Oh, another thing. I like that he wasn't forthright with his reads list (although I didn't like him giving the exact time stamp of his PT reads). It seemed like he was voluntarily being less transparent to achieve a goal, which I'm not sure I see scum!Quilford doing.-
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@BPC, I don't want to do quote stripes, so general responses to this:
1) serrapaladin is now in my pool by PoE, since I have reasons to like most of the player list. Hecouldbe scum, basically.
2) Quilford saying his readslist wasn't identical to mine meant virtually all the mileage I'd get out of the "why did you sheep a flawed reads list" line of inquiry was gone.
3) Yep, I had an instinctive gut town read on him based on one post that I liked felt like trying. Why do you find that so out of the ordinary?
4) I was hoping to be lazy tonight and not reread all the early ETL stuff, but maybe I'll have to do it. The entire exchange was not all that interesting to me beyond "oh, hey, this post by BPC sounds like a scum post." It has less to do with what you argued and more to do with how.
5) The game started yesterday, and so far, our conflicting schedules, time zones, and sleep patterns mean we've rarely been online at the same time--and when we have, they'll go, "hang on, I want to focus on this game first." As a result, our conversations about Twin Trap haven't really become a dialogue yet. (E.g., Regfan's reads were messages on Skype I saw after he'd gone to bed). Actually, I like that you made the observation about lack of discussion, since it's true so far, but it'll probably change soonif Empire ever gets back to me about why he town reads you instead of putting it off to watchThe Walking DeadHEY EMPIRE THIS IS A TEST ARE YOU READING THIS GAME YOU LAZY FUCKER?
6) I don't know, I get why an outsider might dislike it, but I much prefer being transparent and sharing this kind of inter-team stuff, particularly since, e.g., I don't feel comfortable pushing a you-wagon when half my team is against it. (I mostly mentioned the Regfan reads as pressure on Quilford, though.) And frankly, I suspect that people value their opinions more than mine, so I feel compelled to share them.
However, that was at least an improvement, so I'd thank you if you weren't messing with my biases and making the game harder.-
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Quilford, as a fair warning I don't think you're going to get anything productive by continuing to argue with Alchemist at this point. I think the case has been made, and turning this into a back-and-forth might start to bog up the thread. Remember the adage about not convincing scum that they're scum?
Doing a reread, but I'm posting this here since my notes will be in spoiler tags and I want it visible.
In post 52, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Ok.. I'll have to check and see if this is how you always do things. I think it's weird.
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In post 83, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I think it's really weird that BPC is assigning his own reasons formyread.
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(Hee hee, I was talking with some of my team but deliberately not mentioning this game just to see how long it takes Empire to notice my post. ^_^)
Spoiler: Early game thoughts that became a rambly, wishy-washy stream-of-consciousness wall, so I'm spoilering them
The tl;dr version is that Mara and BPC (although I'm not fully ready to eliminate him from my suspect pool yet, since I don't think he's said anything unfakeable) look better, while I'm now more suspicious of ETL, because a lot ofherposts are a bit off/fakeable...but her town play could just be kind of reactive...
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Oh, and also, both Regfan and Empire think ETL is town!
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I guess I'm baking Patrick waffles for breakfast.
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(To be completely fair to Empire, he wasn't feeling well, but trolling is still fun.)
In post 226, Mina wrote:
Have you played with BPC before? Is this typical for him?In post 214, BBmolla wrote:I don't plan on actually being able to read bpc so get back to us on that one
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Quilford, Regfan still thinks you're scum, and made a massive case for why. Stop fluff-posting if you aren't.
(Really busy today, or else I'd talk more about this, since Regfan did a really in-depth reads list with some great points. I know people are fed up with the "my partner disagrees with me" posts, but given Patrick is sheeping my Quilford town read, I feel like I need to be open about the fact it could be flawed. I really want to hear more from ETL, serra, and Mara before moving forward. And stuff from Quilford that isn't about Alchemist21.)-
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Okay, why are you so antsy to get it out of me right now, particularly since you seem to be townreading me? (As a teaser, he did say the "gibbering nervous wreck" post felt like exaggerating how bad it was. And said that you being engaged "wasn't a towntell" when I brought it up, and he only had old meta of you.)
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2 town on Fenchurch, 2 town on me, no scum. I'd have started this kind of thing if the game had been boring.Mina wrote:However, as a little reward for anyone who opened this spoiler, I'm just noting here that someone on Patrick's team probably put down scum tokens, because I think he'd have claimed with an all-town token distribution. You're welcome.
Huh, I was expecting CDB to take town tokens over you. Not that it's really relevant to this game.-
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In post 319, BBmolla wrote:Mina any particular reason you're not interacting with me
Because you look like your town self, so you're not interesting to me. Sorry! <3-
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In post 333, serrapaladin wrote:In post 167, Mina wrote:Mara, why, in your own words? (p-edit: lol)
If Quilford were scum, then 1) he would barely be posting, and 2) what he would post would be a lot less carefree and relaxed. My team has seen him as scum. He's town unless he took a level in Machiavelli over the summer. (But frankly, he just reads as pretty genuine anyway.)
I'm worried that you think Quil with Reck and UT on his team would be readable by activity alone. I presume that you're right, but I think you're being too simplistic and disregarding context.
In post 168, Ms Marangal wrote:serras response to me was highly favorable
Could you walk me through your train of thought here? What would you have expected from me as scum?
BPC looks better with his walls, although Egg warns that as scum he is often townread just for his style. I like that he pressures people on unanswered questions.
We're pretty much unanimous on alchemist-scum. All of his defence looks too safe and he lacks a proper emotional response to being unfairly attacked. It also feels like he's jumping from attacker to attacker to start a wagon on one of them.
I really like one of the things BPC was hinting at, which is that Mina is getting opinions from her team-mates, but failing to integrate them with her own.
In post 283, Mina wrote:Oh, serrapaladin, Regfan wants to know why you didn't vote in your first post despite having several scumreads.
I hadn't made up my mind over which vote I preferred.
@mara: explain your alch read?
I'm not sure she's right, but I do like mara going entirely against the grain.
VOTE: Alchemist (L-1)
"I'm not sure she's right" seems a bit hesitant considering you come across as super-willing to lynch Alchemist and put him at L-1 territory.
Also, I hate hate hate hate hate your stance on me, although admittedly, I'm probably a bit biased on thisI'm in the Quilford/Patrick school of being suspected. If you suspect me, come out and say it, instead of "hmm, that's a VERY INTERESTING POINT against Mina there." Especially, "I presume you're right" on Quilford's activity, but still "not liking it." It's only suspicious if you think I'm wrong or overeager on him.-
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I'm writing a big post now. However, can someone corroborate if this is true for me:
In post 150, Alchemist21 wrote:I was honest. I prefer being scum because it's usually more enjoyable, but I'm a stronger player as Town, and from a tactical standpoint making me Town is the better move.
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I got ninja'd a million times while writing this. Anyway, I'm trying to keep most of my waffling to myself this game. But if you want to know the truth, I've been seriously doubting the Alchemist wagon, in part based on posts like this, this, and this. I mean, I know stuff like "my team says X is scummy" and just generic scumhunting questions is fakeable, but a couple of those looked pretty real. It almost feels as though after a certain point, a switch went off and his posts started looking like scumhunting--I'd probably have a middling town read on him if I only read the second half of his ISO. He doesn't seem particularly stressed out about the wagon on him, either. And I'm sort of caught between not wanting to derail a potential lynch on scum right now (not to mention deal with all the "Why didn't you push him harder?" pestering tomorrow) and...basically how Patrick says hedoesn'tfeel about Alchemist.
But it's not as though I have strong enough conviction he's town to actively fight this lynch. So I feel a bit paralyzed right now, to be honest.
It also doesn't help that the rest of my team thinks he's really obviously scum, and were trolling me by pressuring me to quickhammer him for the past hour, which is not helping my confidenceat allright now (as I was writing this, Regfan actually agreed with me that his response to serra hit a few town notes, although he still suspected him, but still,it was annoying when it was happening!).
I do agree that Mara being off on her own world is a point in her favour, and I like her read on Alchemist came roughly when my doubts were emerging. I also agree with Patrick she's unlikely to be scum with Alchemist21. I don't know if I want to outright clear her, just because Mara's post has some moon-logic leaps I don't follow (Where is the read on serrapaladin coming from her? Why Patrick?), but it's not really a scummy sort of moon-logic.-
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In post 341, Alchemist21 wrote:Not sure who you want to corroborate that other than myself. You can check my wiki page and see my game record if you want.
I mean, it'd be much easier if someone who's played with you several times could just go, "Yeah, I've seen him play, and he sucks as scum despite liking it more. He'dtotallypick town here." I'd much rather not read all your games. Because otherwise, there's a good chance you lied about your token use here.
On that note, ETL, did your teammates mention anything about Alchemist21's meta?
In post 346, Alchemist21 wrote:Mina can you answer my meta question about BBMolla please?
Sorry, I got distracted. I think BBmolla tends to be really unconcerned with appearances, loose in his postin, and kind of flippant when he's town. He's aware of this to a certain degree as scum (why he only posts walls in games with alts or where no one knows him), which is why I didn't unvote until he looked like he had conviction in what he was saying. To be honest, I'm probably not overthinking this read all that much, because my entire team is in agreement he's obvtown. (There's a secret tell someone on our team has on him, but it hasn't been triggered yet.)-
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Ugh, I've lost my old talent for wall-posting. This is taking me forever, and I still have others to write.
In post 349, BipolarChemist wrote:5) I can understand full discussion not happening yet, especially with so many games on the go, but that shouldn't stop you from laying down a question in your confessional. It was a over a full day later when you made this post after you said "Regfan and Empire are annoying and think BPC is town, though. Boo." Have you tried further discussion with them on that?
I've talked with Regfan since then (not Empire--still waiting to see if he ever notices I made fun of him!). Apparently, you're his top town read--to summarize the reasons he gave in the PT:
-He likes that you consider the difference between alignment-relevant and bad play here.
-He likes your reaction to my early push and found your explanation for the Quilford read plausible.
-He thought this felt genuine (in particular, the part about an uneasy feeling about me in your PT).
-He likes that you're questioning my Quilford town read, becausehewould be questioning it if he weren't in the game even though he wouldn't suspect me for it. (Regfan has not been happy at all about said read.)
-He likes that you pointed out the lack of communication between us.
Zar also townread you (I think it was because he liked your reaction to serrapaladin much earlier--the specifics are buried somewhere in the enormous Skype logs).
I'm nowhere near as confident, since I think competent scum can fake plausible cases and reads. But I do feel better about you given that the ETL read didn't completely come out of nowhere, and also that some of your posts weren't that fence-sitting in context. (E.g., "This can go either way though. Scum treating a player as town because they know they're town, Town treating a player as an initial read to get things going. It's pretty much WIFOM at this stage!" At the time, I was like, "This is complete wishy-washy filler about Mara--ooh, she could be scum, or she could be town!" but I realized a couple of nights ago your point was that ETL was pushing a WIFOM argument and I felt dumb.) Also, I'm in the same boat as ETL where I'm not interested in pushing someone my teammates are unanimously townreading.-
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In post 356, BBmolla wrote:ETL's post is gross
Do you mind explaining why? We got the exact opposite impression.-
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@BPC: This:
In post 344, Mina wrote:I do agree that Mara being off on her own world is a point in her favour, and I like her read on Alchemist came roughly when my doubts were emerging. I also agree with Patrick she's unlikely to be scum with Alchemist21. I don't know if I want to outright clear her, just because Mara's post has some moon-logic leaps I don't follow (Where is the read on serrapaladin coming from her? Why Patrick?), but it's not really a scummy sort of moon-logic.
Also, I mostly liked her RVS posts. So overall, weak town? There are a bunch of people I like more than her.
TBH, right now, I think Quilford is about as likely to be scum as Mara is. (I want this on the record, in the unlikely event I die and someone goes, "Ooh, Quilford wouldn't have posted on D1.") I think he'd be a really awful lynch for today, because his alignment will become really clear soon. But don't let him coast on, "Look, I'm town I'm town I'm town I'm town I'm town!" Eventually, he'll scumhunt more organically.-
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