Newbie 2012 - Game Over

[DoctorPepper]

first!

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Right back at ya buddy!

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[DoctorPepper]

Looks like we're playing together again pii. What's up bud.

Oh yeah

VOTE: Micc

As a golden gopher fan, I can't believe he's broadcasting that thing in his avatar.

VOTE: Italiano

Let's leave RVS. Anyone can tell me why this vote is scummy?

[DoctorPepper]

Sorry but what was the point of that post?

[DoctorPepper]

first!

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Right back at ya buddy!

VOTE: GuiltyLion

-0.25 points for wasting a vote by OMGUSing voting an SE who isn;t going to tell you squat from his reaction

What does it matter that he's an SE?

Also lol found scum. Day 1 Page 1 solves are rare

Wouldn't be surprised if it was 72+Italiano.

[DoctorPepper]

GL, I don't really do meta.

I mean yeah sure I'd like to see it but that's a textbook bad RVS vote.

Would like to see more from Unowen, agree with you there it seems a bit sheepy to me

[DoctorPepper]

^ then what's the point of RVS then?
Even if it's a random vote, the point of RVS is to gain information from why the random votes were made. I.e. if you give a vote without information, then it's a reason to talk about you.

That being said, I actually think 72 is scummier, but lets wait for Italiano

[DoctorPepper]

Well you're clearly discrediting my take as being forced.

Would it have been different if I didn't say "let's leave RVS"?

[DoctorPepper]

1. Saying my post is non genuine or forced IS DISCREDITING. It's like you're saying in posting for the sake of being active instead of actually hunting
2. the point of RVS is to see where the votes go and to create a starting point. Voting for the mod is a classic non committal vote common and it's something that deprives us of any info. Yes they could do that because scum might not want be linked to anything. The point is, distilling it to "this is shallow" is discrediting the entire premise of it and just flat out paints me as scummy for having legitimate concerns. Also saying let's leave RVS doesn't really do much except signify that it's a serious vote. Would you have batted an eye if I said "serious vote" instead
3. Not voting at all isn't scummy if the player wasn't active. RVS voting the mod is scummier regardless because some people may not know of RVS. In fact, I've seen newbie games where town doesn't wanna participate in it

[DoctorPepper]

Yeah that's a wasted vote.

[DoctorPepper]

This is a newbie, and with newbie games come the misconception of "scum want to push easy mislynches". The last newbie game I played, I won as scum not by pushing for mislynches but because I intentionally stayed under the radar. I hard defended the day 1 mislynch, knowing full well that it will flip town. The rest of the mislynches I joined but I never drove the wagon, I found flimsy reasons to do it. So Italiano, while I don't think it automatically means you're scummy, it's odd that you're painting it as such because I am pushing for your mislynch

I mean I agree, being reactionary and painting a target on your back isn't a good way to play scum. That doesn't necessarily mean that you won't do it.
In fact that's weird that you're scum reading people just because they're voting you. If either of us were scum, why did we single you out as the mislynch of the day?

[DoctorPepper]

So DoctorPepper and UNOwen voting for me on day one without explanation. Seems pretty convenient. You two just shot up my scum read list.

Plus this is a huge discredit.

[DoctorPepper]

@ydrasse

I think I answered it in my post 50? Where scum would want to discredit other players? In an attempt to drive townies to that player or potentially buddy up to ther players the other is attacking.

I called it as discrediting because e moving past RVS is being painted as "shallow" and "looking townie"

[DoctorPepper]

Italiano, that assumes that I know for sure you're a mislynch

Even assuming you're town, it's equally valid for me to think you're scum because of your actions.

[DoctorPepper]

Strangely enough you remind me of the townies I played with in my last newbie.

[DoctorPepper]

Am I the only one here who prefers playing scum?

Not really game related, just curious

[DoctorPepper]

2 Day V/LA (exactly 48 hours from now).

[DoctorPepper]

Sorry mod, gonna need 24 more hours on that V/LA. Work has been killing me lately, apologies to the rest of the game

[DoctorPepper]

pii: who do you think is scum, if you think italiano's post is nai? (65)

Probably DoctorPepper. Don't like how they specifically wanted us to "leave RVS." Also don't like how they claim to have "solved the game" in post 25, and post 50 just seems pretty defensive in response to 72offsuit's post.

This is a bad post.

But I tend to forget that newbies kind of overanalyze everything.

Reacting to me claiming I solved the game is weird because that has no alignment indication

[DoctorPepper]

@ DP

do you mind answering my post 44 when you're back?

Was thinking me saying it felt like a huge discredit, which is scum agenda in and of itself

[DoctorPepper]

Yeah that's a wasted vote.

UNVOTE: doctorpepper
I don't think there is such a thing as a wasted vote when things can be so easily retracted. Let me rephrase that, I don't think there is anything such as a wasted vote this early in the game. No one is exempt until confirmed town.

VOTE: doctorpepper

What's the purpose of this unvote and re-vote?

This is kind of a weird post. A lot of games in non newbie queues do these fake "unvote, oop I'm just kidding" thing

[DoctorPepper]

You know I realize I understand nothing in this game. I’ve tried to no avail.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

L1

Anyone care to hammer?

Idk, I feel like this mentality comes more from town than scum

unvote

[DoctorPepper]

I agree,
VOTE: piisirrational slot

VOTE: Walter

[DoctorPepper]

GL and Walter voting on an inactive slot does not bode well with me considering that there are so many active slots in the game

[DoctorPepper]

I felt like you all took that too seriously. It was me saying "Yeah, I'm not scum"

[DoctorPepper]

Hi, prod received. I should probably do a better job reading the game

[DoctorPepper]

Anyone care to explain TTJT as scum? I'm kinda town reading their posts because the UNOwen analysis makes sense to me

[DoctorPepper]

I actually have no defense for my play today aside from just being at a bad time with real life.

Give me the weekend I'll have some time to read through

[DoctorPepper]

I actually have no defense for my play today aside from just being at a bad time with real life.

Give me the weekend I'll have some time to read through

I guess we'll just have to take your word for it. Don't think it'll stop us voting for you though. I do find it interesting that TTJT is saying the same thing as you and you both took V/LA. I'm not questioning your rl issues. Sorry man I really hope you are able to work out your issues. But it's just interesting and even pii asked to be replaced. Sera never posted once. What is this game doing to people?

As irresponsible as this sounds, I'm not really super concerned with my lynch if town wants to make that mistake

[DoctorPepper]

I'm currently re reading the game but I have this huge inkling *shocker* that my wagon is scum motivated. And a lot of flimsy reasons are being thrown around.

I really dislike post 446. For one, that's a complete misrep of my meta statement of lying low and defending the wagon. I dislike meta but to prove my point, in Newbie 2000 (also modded by Micc, you sly dog) I actively DEFENDED the biggest wagon and made sure to stay away from it. As in my posting was really there to drive home the point that I believed their claims and I made it so adamant that it was a mistake lynching them.

Here? I legitimately asked a question. A question of why this player is scum because if you haven't noticed, I haven't been reading the game and I wanted to know why TTJT was the wagon.

[DoctorPepper]

As irresponsible as this sounds, I'm not really super concerned with my lynch if town wants to make that mistake

I don't know, this last post here makes me feel uneasy about voting for DoctorPepper now. What is everyone else's thoughts about it? Scum

could

say it's a "mistake", but how likely?

Surely scum

would

say it's a mistake, unless they were throwing in the towel completely. Could you explain what you mean by "how likely"?

Don't treat this as Alignment Indicative. Tired DP would be tired and demotivated regardless if he was town or scum.

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: DP

Not a fan of 404 and it feels like its cherry picking.

Both town and scum games you mentioned have 1 huge difference from this game. I was active in both of those games.

I.e. my behavior today is not indicative of my actual meta because a lot of my posting here was prompted by getting prodded and not being able to read the game properly.

Plus, the scum DP game feels so cherry picked because the points of "asking more questions" was indicative of my interest in the game state, rather than my alignment

[DoctorPepper]

He came back into the game with very weak posts, that is undeniable, but I dont necessary see it as scummy. I see it almost as a bit of disinterest.

why do you assume the disinterest isn't indicative? I think most players, as town, have interest in lynching correctly and influencing the thread in the direction they want. I think scum are more likely not to want to rock the boat or do too much, and make safe/bland posts on entry. 72offsuit also made a meta argument that DoctorPepper is makes weaker posts as scum.

I feel like this is a huge misrep because I actually care more about my scum games than town games.

[DoctorPepper]

I actually also thought those looked like softs from DoctorPepper.

VOTE: Guilty Lion

You guys are reading way too much into this.

No, I am not softing a PR. The posts were not my way of saying "you're wasting a vote because I am a Town PR".

So either a) you're over reacting to your standard "I'm not scum" posts or b) you're looking for a flimsy reason to jump to my wagon.

Now, There are 3 votes on my wagon. I think GL is scum here because while I don't believe 72's case, I could see town mistaking my meta (sidenote: this is why I dislike meta, you took the context out of it. Same with ISOs, games are supposed to be inline with the context of the post). Ydrasse I'll have to reevaluate

But GL's posting really seems like someone who noticed that his wagon wasn't gaining tractsne is forming will all the momentum before deadline.

[DoctorPepper]

Your scumhunting is next to nonexistent. If you are town you only have yourself to blame.

Scumhunting was non existent because of inactivity, not being scum. Jeez

[DoctorPepper]

You think your wagon is scummotivated and yet you are voting walter?
Ok then.

Yeah, because I HAVENT FULLY READ THE GAME YET?

Okay, scratch my town read on you, you're scum too.

[DoctorPepper]

I thought I had to re read the game but only reading the past few pages has made me have no reason to anymore.

Not claiming without an intent to hammer.

[DoctorPepper]

dp’s reply to me isn’t very indicative of anything. i think that a player that hasn’t kept up/been as engaged with a game as either alignment would say that.

why does it make you uneasy that he’s saying he’s not a good vote @italiano?

Actually think you're town because of this. So that's one townie on my wagon. Care to listen as to why I shouldn't be your vote?

[DoctorPepper]

Anyone care to explain TTJT as scum? I'm kinda town reading their posts because the UNOwen analysis makes sense to me

can you answer my 256

I initially didn't like his line of questioning from my RVS because they're flimsy

I initially didn't like you and Walter taking on low hanging fruit (no content slots). Voted Walter because at least you gave a (flimsy, but still existent) reason for why you jumped to that wagon.

Recent posting though?

72 is looking for flimsy reasons to push this wagon and you tried to justify that jump.

I could go for either of you

[DoctorPepper]

I'd like to hear the why behind DP's thought processes rather than just seeing little pop-ups of "this is weird."

TBH I was generally disinterested so this game is a crap shoot. Town DP though is more unsure and less prone to tunneling because I really dislike playing as town.

Thought process in general is "is the post in question made with an intention to hunt scum or to seem active"

The things I look for in scum are if the posts just there to blend in the background or if the post has malicious intentions (i.em I hate misrepping and I dislike discrediting). I believe townies are more than likely to make bad pushes, but sometimes bad pushes are in good faith.

For my own posting? Admittedly this game I wanted people to summarize it for me because I was lazy and not motivated. Do I see that as a reason to scum read me? No. But I can see how it can easily be used to feign scum reads on me

[DoctorPepper]

I have also been busy and am not prone to long posts in general.
I think dp or jt is a scum bit I think doctorpepper is scummier rn.
Quite frankly, this whole my lynch will not affect town rubs me the wrong way.
Either he is a town pr or he is scum.

Mini is still neutral/slightscum to me.
VOTE: DoctorPepper

Once more wagon hopping.

Do you think scum would be this brazen about jumping the wagon?

I think the scum play in my wagon would go as:
1. Actively making flimsy excuses to vote
2. Be the hammer


I actually don't have a lot of scum motivation for this

[DoctorPepper]

Walter is low hanging fruit at this point, there is more to be gained from 72 or GL today

[DoctorPepper]

Spoiler alert: they aren't

Give me the town motivation for the blatant misreps of 72

[DoctorPepper]

Low hanging fruit because while his vote hopping seems scummy from the onset, I don't necessarily see it as scum driven

I'm more likely to make empty ass votes as town on a wagon. Scum would want to justify why they were there when the wagon inevitably flips town

[DoctorPepper]

I must note that in all likelihood, scum wouldn't be both on my wagon. I mean the optimal play of how I would do it is I would have talked to this in my Private Topic with my scum buddy and say one of us stays off the wagon.

But idk, this is too blatant

[DoctorPepper]

Check their votes on me:

This whole point of my why is TTJT scummy post is completely overblown. I asked it because I wasn't reading and I was wondering why you were scum read because I generally liked your posting.

It's being misconstrued as my meta by comparing it to Newbie 2000.

Plus, he threw this whole discredit on me voting Walter when I claimed my wagon was scummy when it was kinda clear I was still re reading the game at that point.

It's in bad faith. It's not scum hunting, it's purposefully painting someone as scum

[DoctorPepper]

GL: I think GL hopped off his wagons too quickly and started to vote me because I softed? Softed what?

[DoctorPepper]

I don't think Walter is playing in bad faith. Hence why I think Ydrasse is also town. I actually believe Ydrasse's attempt to scum hunt


I do what Walter does as town. As scum, I'd manufacture a reason to vote for someone or blatantly defend the scummy townie.

But I wouldn't make an empty vote to hop on a wagon.


Anyway, catch-up status is at page 10 but so far I am good lynching 72 or GL for just the past few pages. I think they haven't been given a lot of suspicion because they seem to give that aura of leading town but the intentions are honestly in bad faith. So far those are the only comfortable lynches for me

In my absolutely do not lynch pile, I'll have Ydrasse and IVD.

[DoctorPepper]

I'm more comfortable here

VOTE: 72

[DoctorPepper]

You're fucking scum

[DoctorPepper]

These are all horrible discredits and you're laziness is showing.

[DoctorPepper]

Your*

Oops

[DoctorPepper]

And then advocate for lynching myself or GL who have actually been playing the game.

I'm sorry, but since when has "playing the game" automatically equate to town?

[DoctorPepper]

And your defensce is AtE and self meta-ing.

1. Where is the AtE?
2. Why is AtE a bad thing? That's such an old "hurr durr AtE is bad mmmmKAY" mentality
3. Why are you allowed to use meta but not me?

[DoctorPepper]

Anyway, 72 sounds like he's desperate to get me lynched that he'll just resort to discrediting me.

So town, you'll have 2 options. Me or 72. I hope you don't disappoint

[DoctorPepper]

I'm sorry, but you're being pro town how here?

All I'm getting is a bunch of snide remarks.

[DoctorPepper]

Since when has being an SE equated town?

[DoctorPepper]

By that logic then we shouldn't lynch SEs ever right?

Am I allowed to play that card? Hey guys, 72 says lynching SEs is scummy. I'm an SE too /s

[DoctorPepper]

Scum you agenda is that the TTJT lynch was losing steam and you went for me. I was LHF, the inactive player that had no reads. I was easy to make a case on because I said "hey guys, why is TTJT scum?"

So when I show up and actually gave a crap about the game and convinced 1 person I was town, another not to vote for me until 24 hours (probably to avoid no lynch) and another to get off my wagon, you're out here justifying that

[DoctorPepper]

ACTIVE SE. Don;t take my post out of context.

Hi pot, I'm kettle.

[DoctorPepper]

See here's the thing. If you actually believed your little meta case on me, then you wouldn't resort to shit rebuttals like "Oh why u vote Walter if u say ur wagon is scummy" or "WoW mUcH aTe"

[DoctorPepper]

Gee, idk I was L-1 at some point noh?

[DoctorPepper]

Anyway, I can go on and play your little game because if I'm lynched today and

WHEN

I flip green, you're definitely day 2's lynch

[DoctorPepper]

Anyway, I can go on and play your little game because if I'm lynched today and

WHEN

I flip green, you're definitely day 2's lynch

I want you to take this to the bank. If you're so sure I'm scum and you'll discredit me, you'll agree to be policy lynched tomorrow when I flip green. Deal?

[DoctorPepper]

...

I was literally at L-1. The attention shifted to me. That's how that wagon lost steam .

[DoctorPepper]

Let's get this straight. You're telling me this is more like my scum game, a game I was active in and never got prodded. I don't even think I took a V/LA that game

You're completely taking the context out of the fact that I literally had no time vs that game.

Your main case for me was "He's acting the same as his old scum game" when that isn't objectively true. If I was, I would have treated the Mini/Pii slot as the HandOfGlass slot in that game as well.

And no, I don't think you're town because your motivations and your push is scummy as fuck.

[DoctorPepper]

I don't get how this is zero cooperation and that's a buzz word that you're using to paint me as scummy when I've actually wanted to work with IVD, Italiano, and TTJT in the past few pages

I'm not cooperating with

you

because your push on me is in Bad Faith

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: 72

You're the best

[DoctorPepper]

521 is a bad push for "me contradicting myself"

Yes, you started my wagon. But hey, it's much easier to push for the guy who wouldn't fight back than the guy actually playing

See the thing is, had you actually had a decent case, I wouldn't have batted an eye. But your case was literally "hurr durr meta" and "hurr durr inactive after V/LA" that I just

HAD

to see that as having incredibly scummy motivations

[DoctorPepper]

Re: 527

Not a fan of this as you're kind of sitting on the fence here. At best, 72 and I will be distractions to town and honestly I

do not trust him

and want his scum self lynched. Lynching a no content slot is a last resort move that we only do because of the deadline but we learn nothing from those lynches. Theyre an easy way for scum to hide behind and we get nothing for Day 2

Lynching between me or 72 at least gives us more discussion for tomorrow. So I suggest you go ahead and vote him.

As for your questions. I try to play regardless of alignment so I wouldn't know what using "scum tactics" as town is. In fact, I'll counter that I'm more aggressive as town because I have a lot less to lose.

As for that, I'm willing to admit that while I had more time now (it was Saturday morning after all when it started), this dumb push on me made me take the game seriously

[DoctorPepper]

UNOwen you are making a very good point but I simply cannot trust 72 anymore.

I'm willing to look at JT tomorrow

[DoctorPepper]

In actually super pissed off at this "return from V/LA was a joke push" simply because you're using a real life reason to push me as scum and the only reason I didn't do a week long V/LA because it would have been unreasonable for the game state

We are lynching 72. End of story. Get with the program

[DoctorPepper]

Post 547:

GL, do I understand that townies can be frustrated with an inactive player? Sure.

Can I tell the difference between well intentioned townies and scum playing in bad faith? Definitely

Had the push been based on better reasoning I'd gladly defend myself and work with the people accusing me. But this? This was frankly insulting.

Call it a coincidence but you guys started suspecting me on a real life workday and I woke up Saturday morning, where I had time. I feel like you're all claiming I didn't really care about

this game in particular

but that completely fails to consider that my V/LA and inactivity was actually

sitewide

and not game specific

[DoctorPepper]

I find it hard to believe that you genuinely don't understand why a townie might be suspicious of your lack of involvement in the game today.
What should I be seeing in 72's case that makes me realize he is scum pushing you and not town (correctly) identifying you as scum?

TBH, you can go tomorrow when we red flip 72.

This post is bad because I've explained multiple times that I didn't care if 72 pushed me for inactivity. I'm pissed because his push both misreps my meta to pursue a flimsy meta case against me and uses my actual site wide inactivity to explain me coasting in the game.

Your argument implies that his case is convincing when the meat of it is I am acting the same way I did when I was scum in Newbie 2000 when in reality none of my play is alignment indicative. In fact, if we

really

have to go there, my meta reads most similar to Open 779

You're all claiming I got active today because I was backed into a corner. In reality I just

had enough time today

[DoctorPepper]

I can see where you're coming from, but remember that we have fewer than 2 days until deadline. There's not enough time for us to sit back and build wagons "organically", I completely understand why a townie who thinks he's caught scum would want to push it pretty hard.

The way you use your language implies that 72

is surely town

and I

am surely scum

which honestly is a horrible take because it assumes 72's case against me is bulletproof and warranted enough reason to jump from TTJT to me.

When in reality his case was in bad faith and just bad overall

Maybe it's because he didn't really want TTJT to be lynched? Idk possible scum motivation was scum theater to distance until someone "scummier" came along and picked me

You all messed with the wrong townie.

[DoctorPepper]

On Ydrasse's 552

Ydrasse, 552 has solidified my town read on you. My big deal is that I did jump from people suspecting me because they're reasons are inherently scummy. That was a good starting point.

I haven't fully read the pages from when I stopped reading (page 11) vs when my horrible push started. So my scum reads are based on those bad pushes. If I had to pick other potential scum, I don't wanna pick Mini just because of inactivity, but I town read almost everyone else.

But UNowen brought up a great point re: JT. I originally thought the "I'll hammer after 24 hours" was basically a way to avoid no lynch, which I do as town and I have hammered people I didn't think was scum for the sake of a lynch. I didn't realize he could be avoiding responsibility for my inevitable green flip. This was solidified when he wouldn't take a stand with me and 72 and would rather lynch Mini, a lynch that would not help game state. Why are you not willing to "take a stand" now but you were willing to hammer me? Brings some clarity to my 72/JT read

[DoctorPepper]

On Ydrasse's 552
[spoiler=Ydrasse, 552 has solidified my town read on you. My big deal is that I did jump from people suspecting me because they're reasons are inherently scummy. That was a good starting point.

I haven't fully read the pages from when I stopped reading (page 11) vs when my horrible push started. So my scum reads are based on those bad pushes. If I had to pick other potential scum, I don't wanna pick Mini just because of inactivity, but I town read almost everyone else.

But UNowen brought up a great point re: JT. I originally thought the "I'll hammer after 24 hours" was basically a way to avoid no lynch, which I do as town and I have hammered people I didn't think was scum for the sake of a lynch. I didn't realize he could be avoiding responsibility for my inevitable green flip. This was solidified when he wouldn't take a stand with me and 72 and would rather lynch Mini, a lynch that would not help game state. Why are you not willing to "take a stand" now but you were willing to hammer me? Brings some clarity to my 72/JT read][/spoiler]

[DoctorPepper]

Okay I don't know how to use a Spoiler tag. But points stands

TL:DR - understand why Ydrasse isn't confident that I only scum read players who suspect me but it's because it's in bad faith. Have an inkling on 72/TTJT because I town read everyone else (except Mini because no content) because I didn't like his stand on me and 72, despite being okay to hammer me specifically

[DoctorPepper]

I'm willing to work town here on any lynch aside from 72 but it would be more fruitful if I could work with you to lynch him, because honestly if you keep both of us alive tomorrow we will not cooperate. It was such a horrible push in such bad faith that I cannot see the town motivation in him and would rather get my flip or be flipped trying.

[DoctorPepper]

I'm not sure you;re scum, but your zero cooperation and scummy as return from VLA makes me think you are.
This game reads nothing like your previous town game and much more like your previous scum game.
You don;t even consider for a moment that GL and I are town and simply say, hurr durr, scum is on my wagon,

This was such a bad response to my 516 challenge. If you were absolutely certain I'm flipping red today, you

should

be okay with being tomorrow's lynch when I flip green because you're soooooo confident in your crappy push.

[DoctorPepper]

This is mafia, take risks.

Unless 72 is a god-tier scumhunter (which he needs to step up because his case on me was horrible) or an overpowered town role, we can survive on the off chance that he was a misguided townie. But that is highly unlikely

[DoctorPepper]

^ you're already giving the reason why I think they're scum together.

I don't wanna lynch JT over 72 because you best guarantee I am getting 72 lynched tomorrow.

[DoctorPepper]

Yo. That's scummy as fxck

[DoctorPepper]

72, you're gone tomorrow

Regardless if JT flips scum, that's a bad hammer.

[DoctorPepper]

There was a vote count

RIGHT THERE

[DoctorPepper]

I think Micc is here so get your thoughts out fast.

I think 72 hammering can be scum motivated if he is partnered with JT to distance of his lynch
It's scum motivated if JT is town because HE COULD HAVE BEEN A PR AND YOU QUICKHAMMERED

[DoctorPepper]

Well lets hope he is scum lol

YOURE NOT GWT5TING OFF THIS EASILY

I AM UNBELIEVABLY PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW

[DoctorPepper]

I didn't think that through

This is so fake. I will NOT accept any lynch but yours tomorrow.

[DoctorPepper]

Lol. Nice so im scum either way. Fits nicely with your tunnel

What was town about what you did?!?!

You cannot be this dense

[DoctorPepper]

You are a POLICY Lynch.

[DoctorPepper]

Claim now. You're hammered

[DoctorPepper]

Whats the point in claiming if he is hammered anyway

You're either scum or shit town.

You're going to be the lynch tomorrow, end of of story.

[DoctorPepper]

Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions.

[DoctorPepper]

The only reason I'm not more angry is I've already apologized to Micc about my swearing

But you.

You claim in terrible town for having a V/LA and being busy

You say I only have myself to blame for not scumhunting.

You claim I'm being uncooperative.

You can't even read a vote count. You're either just that scummy or you are a hypocritical, uncooperative, and terrible townie and you

WILL

be lynched tomorrow.

[DoctorPepper]

dp shut up stop being a jerk

I'm sorry but how the actual fxck am I being a jerk here?!?

You're scum.

[DoctorPepper]

I am so salty.

You're here so high and mighty about how my "terrible attempts at scumhunting" are my own fault as to why I'm being wagonned.

You. The paragon of scumhunting. The exemplar of COOPERATIVE TOWN.

I'm pissed because you're a hypocrite. At best, you're bad town who thinks too highly off himself. At worst, you're transparent scum

[DoctorPepper]

And your defensce is AtE and self meta-ing.

Oh, I'm making the game unpleasant? You're the one taking potshots at me for being inactive and being sardonic with my actual analysis.

[DoctorPepper]

Stop this AtE "oh pity me DP is being such a jerk"

You're not exactly the paragon of good play and housekeeping

This only makes you look worse because you're a hypocrite

[DoctorPepper]

Ydrasse is this justice? Coincidence? Planned?

Keep an eye out on Ydrasse guys. This just feels too perfect based on my last game.

I'm hoping you flip scum but I'm really getting town vibes off of your twilight. If you're town, we can still win.

Give some reads and last analysis posts.

Break them into chunks in case Micc locks the thread

[DoctorPepper]

JT, you have some time.

Give us reads. Your analysis. Stat.

[DoctorPepper]

Relax, so i made a mistake. No need to be a complete jerk about it.
Youve made this game which was enjoyable into an unpleasant game.

Please go into more AtE

[DoctorPepper]

If you think I'm being a jerk, you have not seen anything yet and quite frankly your conduct this day is no better.

You're tomorrow's lynch. Anyone who goes against this is anti-town

[DoctorPepper]

L-1

I mean this is so BLATANT. How is this a mistake???

You saw the VC at the PAGE TOP and saw TTJT had 3 votes. GL votes him and you hammer

"Whoopsie my bad, I didn't know"

You did. Stop pretending like you didn't.

I am so pissed off right now. You want me to be more active? You think I'm being non existent?

You're gonna regret that

[DoctorPepper]

Dude it's so hard for me right now. I'm exhausted I do this on call job every third week and this was my week this my weirdness with work. People keep lighting off fireworks and I keep being forced to respond to them. I work maintenance. I'm so freaking tired. It's 1 am.

*Sigh*

Completely understand. Unlike some people here I get it when work is getting busy and draining.

[DoctorPepper]

To be honest, I see that. GL could easily distance now but it's such a coordinated push

[DoctorPepper]

what the hell

Don't make long posts. Break them down into smaller ones before Micc locks the thread.

[DoctorPepper]

what the hell

We need your end of day thoughts.

[DoctorPepper]

honestly if I were scum I would not have encouraged that kind of quick hammer, I think that's pretty bad play on D1 lmao

You'll prove your towniness by quicklynching 72 tomorrow

[DoctorPepper]

I say lunch guilty lion tomorrow.

Nah man. Even if I think GL is scum, 72 is either scum or deliberately anti town

[DoctorPepper]

if 72 is scum the mishammer was definitely to get out of the 1v1 with dp.

Yup you're solidly town.

If endgame comes and you turn up scum, well played. Would have never suspected.

[DoctorPepper]

See you end game JT. I hope your lynch was not for naught

[DoctorPepper]

Same, I hope you have a good night Jt
72 definitely does not come off so great off of the lynch if jt is town
.

Even if JT is scum this is bad

[DoctorPepper]

I won't be voting for 72 now for fear of a self hammer but know my vote is just there in spirit

[DoctorPepper]

Hmm, why would I have been the likely NK last night? If anything, scum didn't need to push for my lynch because I was already going to make it a choice anyway between myself and 72.

I don't think I should be conf town and nothing has happened to indicate that.

[DoctorPepper]

No death N1 has 5 possibilities:
1. Mafia was not able to submit a factional kill (indicating someone who may have forgotten about the game or site-flaked)
2. Doctor blocks the night kill
3. Jailkeeper blocks the night kill by correctly targetting the Night Kill
4. Jailkeeper blocks the night kill by correctly targetting the Mafia assigned to do the NK.
5. Mafia submits no kill on purpose

I don't want to go in assuming it's 2-4 when 1 could be likely. I also think that while 5 is unlikely for a newbie, I would not put it past any of you to be that bold at Day 2

[DoctorPepper]

I feel like GL wouldn't be partnered with 72.

I would look at him on the off chance that 72 flips green, but he has a point, it's poor play to coordinate a quickhammer for the sake of a bus.

[DoctorPepper]

Lol, these worried about self hammer posts r so forced.

Okay.

VOTE: 72

[DoctorPepper]

You do realize how easy it is to say "Oh no I made a mistake, my bad" as scum right?

Plus at best you're uncooperative town

[DoctorPepper]

... you hammered without a claim

[DoctorPepper]

I'm gonna be honest. I am willing to vote to eliminate you out of policy even if I think there are people who are more likely scum.

Just being transparent here

[DoctorPepper]

TBH, I think scum is hiding behind this certainty of 72.

[DoctorPepper]

Is scum actively defending this wagon?

[DoctorPepper]

I'm already voting 72.

[DoctorPepper]

Actually I agree with GL.

Yeah, we want you to be today's elimination target.

But the thing is, why waste a day of discussion when we can talk about who else could be scum?

[DoctorPepper]

In the interest of ensuring this game isnt stalled by the eventuality of 72's lynch

Rest of town:
Who are your possible scum teams today if not 72?

I'm currently thinking Mini+UNo

[DoctorPepper]

Oh sorry wow now it's my fault for you screwing up?

To quote you, if you're town you have no one to blame but

yourself

Get off your damn pity party

[DoctorPepper]

So you come at me with a weak ass meta case, I call you out on it rightfully and you're blaming me for your poor play?

After you called me out for my "nonexistent scumhunting"

You understand I'm even more pissed at you right?

[DoctorPepper]

I don't buy it but I'm letting my actual disdain for 72 cloud my read here.

Because even as scum if play the VT card to try to gain sympathy off of AtE.

[DoctorPepper]

Nah, nevermind that. I'm utterly convinced that 72 had a really scummy case on me.

Get your votes back to this wagon

[DoctorPepper]

Would scum be that transparent

[DoctorPepper]

In hindsight I should have done a better job crumbing the Ydrasse JK. I tried to in Day 1 but I realized it was not a very good one.

Anyway well played scum and I hope you guys had fun!