Newbie 2012 - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.10

DoctorPepper (3) -

72offsuit, Ydrasse, GuiltyLion

TheThirteenthJT (2) -

UNOwen, MiniMegabyte

WaltertheDunce10 (2) -

DoctorPepper, TheThirteenthJT

UNOwen (1) -

ItalianoVD

MiniMegabyte (1) -

WaltertheDunce10

Not Voting (0) -

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to Eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-28 20:00:00).

TheThirteenthJT is V/LA until 6/27.

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: DP

Not a fan of 404 and it feels like its cherry picking.

Both town and scum games you mentioned have 1 huge difference from this game. I was active in both of those games.

I.e. my behavior today is not indicative of my actual meta because a lot of my posting here was prompted by getting prodded and not being able to read the game properly.

Plus, the scum DP game feels so cherry picked because the points of "asking more questions" was indicative of my interest in the game state, rather than my alignment

[DoctorPepper]

He came back into the game with very weak posts, that is undeniable, but I dont necessary see it as scummy. I see it almost as a bit of disinterest.

why do you assume the disinterest isn't indicative? I think most players, as town, have interest in lynching correctly and influencing the thread in the direction they want. I think scum are more likely not to want to rock the boat or do too much, and make safe/bland posts on entry. 72offsuit also made a meta argument that DoctorPepper is makes weaker posts as scum.

I feel like this is a huge misrep because I actually care more about my scum games than town games.

[72offsuit]

VOTE: DP

Not a fan of 404 and it feels like its cherry picking.

Both town and scum games you mentioned have 1 huge difference from this game. I was active in both of those games.

I.e. my behavior today is not indicative of my actual meta because a lot of my posting here was prompted by getting prodded and not being able to read the game properly.

Plus, the scum DP game feels so cherry picked because the points of "asking more questions" was indicative of my interest in the game state, rather than my alignment

How is it cherry picking?

[72offsuit]

VOTE: DP

Not a fan of 404 and it feels like its cherry picking.

Both town and scum games you mentioned have 1 huge difference from this game. I was active in both of those games.

I.e. my behavior today is not indicative of my actual meta because a lot of my posting here was prompted by getting prodded and not being able to read the game properly.

Plus, the scum DP game feels so cherry picked because the points of "asking more questions" was indicative of my interest in the game state, rather than my alignment

How is it cherry picking?

[72offsuit]

Your scumhunting is next to nonexistent. If you are town you only have yourself to blame.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I have also been busy and am not prone to long posts in general.
I think dp or jt is a scum bit I think doctorpepper is scummier rn.
Quite frankly, this whole my lynch will not affect town rubs me the wrong way.
Either he is a town pr or he is scum.

Mini is still neutral/slightscum to me.
VOTE: DoctorPepper

[72offsuit]

I'm currently re reading the game but I have this huge inkling *shocker* that my wagon is scum motivated. And a lot of flimsy reasons are being thrown around.

I really dislike post 446. For one, that's a complete misrep of my meta statement of lying low and defending the wagon. I dislike meta but to prove my point, in Newbie 2000 (also modded by Micc, you sly dog) I actively DEFENDED the biggest wagon and made sure to stay away from it. As in my posting was really there to drive home the point that I believed their claims and I made it so adamant that it was a mistake lynching them.

Here? I legitimately asked a question. A question of why this player is scum because if you haven't noticed, I haven't been reading the game and I wanted to know why TTJT was the wagon.

You think your wagon is scummotivated and yet you are voting walter?
Ok then.

[WaltertheDunce10]

By the way l1

[DoctorPepper]

I actually also thought those looked like softs from DoctorPepper.

VOTE: Guilty Lion

You guys are reading way too much into this.

No, I am not softing a PR. The posts were not my way of saying "you're wasting a vote because I am a Town PR".

So either a) you're over reacting to your standard "I'm not scum" posts or b) you're looking for a flimsy reason to jump to my wagon.

Now, There are 3 votes on my wagon. I think GL is scum here because while I don't believe 72's case, I could see town mistaking my meta (sidenote: this is why I dislike meta, you took the context out of it. Same with ISOs, games are supposed to be inline with the context of the post). Ydrasse I'll have to reevaluate

But GL's posting really seems like someone who noticed that his wagon wasn't gaining tractsne is forming will all the momentum before deadline.

[DoctorPepper]

Your scumhunting is next to nonexistent. If you are town you only have yourself to blame.

Scumhunting was non existent because of inactivity, not being scum. Jeez

[DoctorPepper]

You think your wagon is scummotivated and yet you are voting walter?
Ok then.

Yeah, because I HAVENT FULLY READ THE GAME YET?

Okay, scratch my town read on you, you're scum too.

[DoctorPepper]

I thought I had to re read the game but only reading the past few pages has made me have no reason to anymore.

Not claiming without an intent to hammer.

[DoctorPepper]

dp’s reply to me isn’t very indicative of anything. i think that a player that hasn’t kept up/been as engaged with a game as either alignment would say that.

why does it make you uneasy that he’s saying he’s not a good vote @italiano?

Actually think you're town because of this. So that's one townie on my wagon. Care to listen as to why I shouldn't be your vote?

[DoctorPepper]

Anyone care to explain TTJT as scum? I'm kinda town reading their posts because the UNOwen analysis makes sense to me

can you answer my 256

I initially didn't like his line of questioning from my RVS because they're flimsy

I initially didn't like you and Walter taking on low hanging fruit (no content slots). Voted Walter because at least you gave a (flimsy, but still existent) reason for why you jumped to that wagon.

Recent posting though?

72 is looking for flimsy reasons to push this wagon and you tried to justify that jump.

I could go for either of you

[TheThirteenthJT]

I have also been busy and am not prone to long posts in general.
I think dp or jt is a scum bit I think doctorpepper is scummier rn.
Quite frankly, this whole my lynch will not affect town rubs me the wrong way.
Either he is a town pr or he is scum.

Mini is still neutral/slightscum to me.
VOTE: DoctorPepper

Once more wagon hopping.

[DoctorPepper]

I'd like to hear the why behind DP's thought processes rather than just seeing little pop-ups of "this is weird."

TBH I was generally disinterested so this game is a crap shoot. Town DP though is more unsure and less prone to tunneling because I really dislike playing as town.

Thought process in general is "is the post in question made with an intention to hunt scum or to seem active"

The things I look for in scum are if the posts just there to blend in the background or if the post has malicious intentions (i.em I hate misrepping and I dislike discrediting). I believe townies are more than likely to make bad pushes, but sometimes bad pushes are in good faith.

For my own posting? Admittedly this game I wanted people to summarize it for me because I was lazy and not motivated. Do I see that as a reason to scum read me? No. But I can see how it can easily be used to feign scum reads on me

[DoctorPepper]

I have also been busy and am not prone to long posts in general.
I think dp or jt is a scum bit I think doctorpepper is scummier rn.
Quite frankly, this whole my lynch will not affect town rubs me the wrong way.
Either he is a town pr or he is scum.

Mini is still neutral/slightscum to me.
VOTE: DoctorPepper

Once more wagon hopping.

Do you think scum would be this brazen about jumping the wagon?

I think the scum play in my wagon would go as:
1. Actively making flimsy excuses to vote
2. Be the hammer


I actually don't have a lot of scum motivation for this

[TheThirteenthJT]

GL 72 Ydrasse and aaltee. How much are you willing to bet DP is scum? Like how sure are you from a 1-10. I won't be intenting to hammer until DP makes it clear he has caught up. Or we are under 24 hours.

[TheThirteenthJT]

I have also been busy and am not prone to long posts in general.
I think dp or jt is a scum bit I think doctorpepper is scummier rn.
Quite frankly, this whole my lynch will not affect town rubs me the wrong way.
Either he is a town pr or he is scum.

Mini is still neutral/slightscum to me.
VOTE: DoctorPepper

Once more wagon hopping.

Do you think scum would be this brazen about jumping the wagon?

I think the scum play in my wagon would go as:
1. Actively making flimsy excuses to vote
2. Be the hammer


I actually don't have a lot of scum motivation for this

To say it simply, yes. This would go both ways whether you are scum or town.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Even more so if both scum are on the wagon. The second scum would not mimic the first scums words in the lynch. Just hopping on like that is an easy way to do so.

[DoctorPepper]

Walter is low hanging fruit at this point, there is more to be gained from 72 or GL today

[TheThirteenthJT]

And if you are scum it's an easy hop by your partner to say they were on the wagon without ever having to put too much reasoning behind it.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Walter can we have a readlist from you?

[TheThirteenthJT]

Walter is low hanging fruit at this point, there is more to be gained from 72 or GL today

And way more to lose if they are both town.