Newbie 1544 - Shakespeare Mafia: GAME OVER!

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: klingon

Who doesn't want to kill a klingon!?

Umm... other Klingons.

vote: Nachomomma8

[Klingoncelt]

You guys are killing me. Open for twelve hours and we are on post 16 ....

Shinobi: good plan.

Roseylilly: What do you think of shinobis RVS sheep here?

Klingon: Why the IC vote? Classic newbie scum move there.

Is this not RVS in a noob game?

Don't worry, my voting will be more suitable once the Random Voting is over.

[Klingoncelt]

Is this not RVS in a noob game? Don't worry, my voting will be more suitable once the Random Voting is over.

Still doesn't explain to me why the IC?

Why not? IC's can be Scum, y'know.

[Klingoncelt]

Did I say "HE IS SCUM" ?

No.

I said he

could be.

You sure are a reactive personality, aren't you.

[Klingoncelt]

So why the vote on him?

So why not?

Is there some rule I'm unaware of that says that you're allowed to tell the noobs how to vote?

Your overreaction to an RVS vote makes it pretty clear, you and Nacho are scumbuddies.

Okay, game over, Town wins.

Yay!

In/next

[Klingoncelt]

It doesn't matter if RVS has a purpose or not. You can totes question someone on their RVS.

I don't get why you're classifying my arguments as "white knighting" when I'm just trying to understand where this argument is coming from. It really doesn't feel all that important.

Funny, voting someone for acting scummy isn't all that important... but giving a player the third degree for casting a random vote on somebody that hasn't even posted yet (

and thus having no interaction to analyze

) is somehow justifiable?

Moonlogic.

It seems justifiable to me. The game hadn't started, aphix isn't sure how to get the game started, aphix is overaggressive, not to mention that I've never regarded overly aggressive questioning as a bad thing.

Aggressive and logical is good, but twisting a person's words to pressure them is b/s.

Hardly twisting words. Perhaps you are reading too much into the caps that are there because my phone weirded out and I wasn't going to go back and retype everything.

It was

nothing but

twisting words.

[Klingoncelt]

Shinobi or aphix, I want to hear from one of you an explanation on how a player can suspect someone of being scum that hasn't even posted.

I refuse to address either of you until one of you explains this sort of strategy.

The only legitimate reasons to have a serious suspicion on a player who hasn't posted are 1) night info, or 2) town reads on the rest of the playerlist. Since these are both illegitimate at this point in the game, I find it pretty reasonable for aphix to call someone out when he sees them with a scumread on a non posting player. Sure, he interpreted it incorrectly, but I don't see strong reasoning for scum to misrep town on page 2 of a game: it's not like he's getting a mislynch out of it.

Umm, letmethinkaboutitno.

He flipped out over my RVSing an IC. He didn't say shit about you being a lurker. Nor did I.

You two are terrible as Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Aphix post 16: "Klingon: Why the IC vote? Classic newbie scum move there."

Aphix post 23: "Still doesn't explain to me why the IC?"

Where in those quotes does anyone see the word "lurker?"

Nowhere, that's where.

I never said anything about Nacho lurking.

Someone's lying about my RVS vote.


Which is now a serious vote.

[Klingoncelt]

Aphix post 16: "Klingon: Why the IC vote? Classic newbie scum move there."

Aphix post 23: "Still doesn't explain to me why the IC?"

Where in those quotes does anyone see the word "lurker?"

Nowhere, that's where.

I never said anything about Nacho lurking.

Someone's lying about my RVS vote.


Which is now a serious vote.

No, wait, I posted that too soon while highly distracted.

Nacho, are you Aphix's Scum Buddy?

Aphix, why are you White Knighting Nacho? Why are so so after a noob in her very first game here?

And, Aphix, why the OMGUS vote on Jagged Appliance?

[Klingoncelt]

Vote: Aphix

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not really sure what happened there, but I rest my case on Klingon. That is some super overreaction.

I'm not the one that posted in all caps and told another player that she can't RVS the IC.

Me asking why his vote is on the IC has all the sudden lead to whiteknighting and scum buddies. That's pretty extreme words for page three with NO interaction between the two parties.

First of all, it's

her

, chitlin.

And there was nothing sudden about it, you went nuts because I RVS'ed an IC.

I was just asking you why. Without a why, even for RVS it's hard to get the game going. Newbie scum tend to think the IC is better for some reason and tend to lean in that direction in my experience. The fact that you couldn't answer that question, is a bit concerting. Couldn't just say, it was a random vote.

You're lying, or an incredibly bad player. Anyone can RVS whomever they damn well please because RVS. No explanation is necessary until the

real

voting begins.

I rolled a dice. I don't like nachos. My mother beat me as a child. I don't know, instead you say, well he could be scum. Your first post voting for someone because they "could be scum" seems a little fishy.

No it doesn't. A player might be scum. A player might be town. Wow, what a huge tell. [/eyeroll]

I also like how you say I twist your words and now your saying I have an OMGUS vote on Jagged App .... Please look at my vote history.

You did twist my words. Actually you lied. You said that I called Nacho scum. I did not. And you immediately OMGUSed Jagged Appliance after his/her RV for you.

I'm completely fine with my vote for now.

How nice for you.

Shinobi I agree with you that the nacho entrance feels off. I don't necessarily see it coming from a scum perspective but we'll see.[/quote]

[Klingoncelt]

^ ^ ^ Last 3 lines should read:


How nice for you.

Shinobi I agree with you that the nacho entrance feels off. I don't necessarily see it coming from a scum perspective but we'll see.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh lets not forget Klingons definitely familiar with mafia terms and certainly has no hold back in throwing some weight around, but does toss out the "I'm a defenseless newbie card" right ....

Child, where exactly did I say that I'm defenseless?

And yes, I have played offsite. This is my 6th game, ever.

But what if I were a noob, never having played before and much younger as well? Your aggro style and flat out lying could drive a more sensitive noob to leave the site and not return. First impressions and all.

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Oh lets not forget Klingons definitely familiar with mafia terms and certainly has no hold back in throwing some weight around, but does toss out the "I'm a defenseless newbie card" right ....

Child, where exactly did I say that I'm defenseless?

And yes, I have played offsite. This is my 6th game, ever.

Which one did you not play over there, Klingon?

Game 1.

[Klingoncelt]

Has hephaestus posted yet?

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt, what is your opinion on the exchange between Shinobi & I?

You could very well be right on the scumread.

[Klingoncelt]

I'd like to hear from our quiet players. I don't like lurkers and the game's been running long enough that they should have made some contributions by now.

[Klingoncelt]

Thanks, House!

@fferyllt
Hephaestus and Conrad both have yet to post.

[Klingoncelt]

Jagged App: You have a few games under your belt. How do you imagine getting a game rolling goes? What's your opening game plan?

I haven't learned much about starting games, I've only been in one game from the start so far. A game gets going once someone throws down a serious vote IMO.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingon

I think aphix was pushing to get the game off the ground and Klingon's response is poor enough to warrant more pressure. Her OMGUS looks quite bad to me, plenty of hyperbole in her responses, maybe newbscum.

So the two of you aren't clear on how a game should start.

My vote isn't an OMGUS. Aphix is playing very badly and he's got an obnoxious attitude. Not townslips.

Has hephaestus posted yet?

You could check pretty easily, looking to deflect some attention?

You aren't very good at spotting deflection. Hint: That wasn't it.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt

One thing I had to adjust to over here was the difference in how people develop reads here.

At USMB, reads tend to be developed on how posts are perceived by the reader. Here, reads are developed based on speculation of the writer's probable mindset from both a town and scum viewpoint.

ie: Why would town-house say "x"?
Why would scum-house say "x"?

Sometimes, people will simply say something for the sole purpose of judging the reactions of other players, and jumping at negativity just because it is negative doesn't show an objective townie mindset.

I do the same thing, since Over Yonder most of us know each other very well outside of the game. I try to be objective.
These guys, on the other hand, reek of desperation and a lack of objectivity.

They want therefore it is.

[Klingoncelt]

@fferyllt
Hephaestus and Conrad both have yet to post.

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh?

They have suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous mod prods.

Thank you.

[Klingoncelt]

You guys mind saving it for your night chat?

Town doesn't have night talk.

[Klingoncelt]

You guys mind saving it for your night chat?

Now you are just trolling.

Yep.

I read through aphix's posts, he's pretty much a trolling asshole in every game, whether Scum or Town. This will be the last one I play with him.

[Klingoncelt]

You guys mind saving it for your night chat?

Town doesn't have night talk.

My point exactly. I think I'm going to be gone into tomorrow or more unless we get some town players in here and something exciting happens. Have a good night.

"My point exactly."

Child, you are so not at all slick.

[Klingoncelt]

You guys mind saving it for your night chat?

Now you are just trolling.

Yep.

I read through aphix's posts, he's pretty much a trolling asshole in every game, whether Scum or Town. This will be the last one I play with him.

But I'm a trolling asshole, and you just signed up for another game with me (had to double-check, lol)

Yeah, but you have a huge sense of humor. Plus it's fun confusing you with Wake.

[Klingoncelt]

You might want to not play here if "trolling and asshole" leads to blacklisting.

At my age I've earned the right to call 'em as they are.

I read through your posts in every game you played here, and I have some advice: develop a strong sense of humor. Believe me, it will be a valuable asset. You know the saying about flies, honey, and vinegar, right?

[Klingoncelt]

You might want to not play here if "trolling and asshole" leads to blacklisting.

Relax, she just got the terminology wrong. I would point out the proper descriptor, but it would likely get me banned

Are you referring to the word we aren't allowed to say Over Yonder? If yes, I don't think he's that far gone. There's hope for him.

[Klingoncelt]

You might want to not play here if "trolling and asshole" leads to blacklisting.

Relax, she just got the terminology wrong. I would point out the proper descriptor, but it would likely get me banned

Are you referring to the word we aren't allowed to say Over Yonder? If yes, I don't think he's that far gone. There's hope for him.

Maybe I should invite him to sign up for my bastard game.

[Klingoncelt]

@House - Shinobi is leaning ever so slightly town for me.

[Klingoncelt]

You haven't read through all my posts here. I'm positive on that. And if you have and you are still voting me you are bad at this game.

I read through your posts in every game. In this game you're playing your scumstyle.

[Klingoncelt]

Go to the members list. Pick out your name (or any member you'd like to check.) When their page comes up, click on Search User's Posts. They're all there.

I'll be reading up on hephaestus and Nachomamma8 later today then I'll be done. Well, until the replace ins show up.

[Klingoncelt]

Here's a hint. You don't have the data to try and find meta on me.

Well, I'm more unknown than you are.

Are we allowed to post links to offsite games? I could show you mine if we can.

[Klingoncelt]

@House - Shinobi is leaning ever so slightly town for me.

Klingoncelt: Why?

I went through all of his posts as well, and he's VERY highly experienced, mainly on offsite games. He's damn smart too (as is Rosylily.) With that in mind, I don't see him so much as Scum with his posts here. I have him as null leaning town.

[Klingoncelt]

LINKS TO MY OFFSITE GAMES:

Game 2, Enter the Godfather, I was Town Jailkeeper, killed Night 3:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... er.355143/

Game 3, The Sum of All Fears, I was Even-Night Town Doctor, killed Night 1:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ed.361527/

Game 4, Friends and Enemies, I was Scum. Scum won. :
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... es.366038/

Game 5, Fire and Ice, I was Vanilla Townie, lynched after a spectacular meltdown on Day 3 (NOTE - Scroll down after Sameech's fake lynch, he has me fipping wrong, Wake's

real

lynch scene is just a few posts down:)
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... -6.371364/

Game 6, The Rebels In the Palace, I was a rebel, Rebels won:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ce.377844/

[Klingoncelt]

LOL - I forgot about asking Wake to feed everyone a big bowl of Adderal.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, duh, I forgot to say - I'm Grandma over there.

[Klingoncelt]

Evil Regals replaces hephaestus. Please welcome her!

Hi, Evil Regals!

Are you Scum or Town?

[Klingoncelt]

Hi, WBO.

[Klingoncelt]

As much as the whole teaching that House is doing here this actually feels very town to me. Like this could be potentially scum guiding scum, but I really doubt it.

House and I (and others) migrated over from Wake's little corner of los webz. This is my first game here.

Hi, Evil Regals!

Are you Scum or Town?

I'm neither. I'm a third party from teh enchanted forest and nice to meet you!

Thanks!

I'm thinking you're townish.

[Klingoncelt]

Hi Kling.

I'm gonna ISO you 0_0

Follow the links in post 156. I'm Grandma over there.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh - that site loads dead slow between 3:50 and 4:30am eastern time. Avoid it during that period.

[Klingoncelt]

I hope Rosylily posts some content soon.

[Klingoncelt]

Hi, Aneninen.

[Klingoncelt]

@fferyllt - could Rosylily be prodded please? I'd like to hear more from her.

[Klingoncelt]

@fferyllt - could Rosylily be prodded please? I'd like to hear more from her.

She has been prodded. She has until tomorrow morning to respond because the prod occurred on the weekend.

Ooops... Thank you!

It's difficult to get a good set of reads when so many people are lurking/replacing out.

[Klingoncelt]

From Aneninen:

... 147 – note to self: she hadn't known earlier how to use the activity page and she gave an advice about the member list here. Either she's a fast learner or she's lying. (? Or I'm making up things out of nothing. Possible.)"

I never said I didn't know how to ISO posts. That's not how I work. I read everything they've ever done so I can get a feel for their play as both scum and town, and also see how their playstyle has changed over time.

[Klingoncelt]

Although honestly, from what I've seen in games I've played and read, newb scum well tend to focus on IC, SE in terms of pushes. They tend to see them as the biggest threat I would assume so try to push there. Unfortunately IC and SE aren't always the people with the most mafia games in.

This is ridiculous.

100% agree. I usually don't see any threats in the first hours of Day 1.

[Klingoncelt]

5 replace-outs in a 9-player game?

Ridiculous.

House - Probably town

WBOCampfire1104 - Class clown, null leaning town

Luca Bright - Null

Klingoncelt - Town

Aneninen - Town

Shinobi (SE) - I'm not sure now, he's starting to lean scum

aphix (SE) - Scum

Evil Regals (SE) - Leaning town

Nachomamma8 - Null


So Aphix and Shinobi are the scum team?

[Klingoncelt]

Hi, Luca Blight.

[Klingoncelt]

[quote="In post 311, Klingoncelt]

So Aphix and Shinobi are the scum team?

You won the game on page thirteen? Without many players posting and tons of replacements. And really haven't attempted to develop your reads or scum hunt. Your right. Let's go home. Game over.[/quote]

"Won" the game? Hardly.

I was just asking a question.

I know - why not just ask tyou?

Hey, Aphix, who's yer scum partner?

[Klingoncelt]

Corrected

[quote="In post 311, Klingoncelt]
So Aphix and Shinobi are the scum team?[/quote]

You won the game on page thirteen? Without many players posting and tons of replacements. And really haven't attempted to develop your reads or scum hunt. Your right. Let's go home. Game over.

"Won" the game? Hardly.

I was just asking a question.

I know - why not just ask tyou?

Hey, Aphix, who's yer scum partner?[/quote]

[Klingoncelt]

Corrected again

In post 311, Klingoncelt wrote:
So Aphix and Shinobi are the scum team?

In post 313, aphix wrote:You won the game on page thirteen? Without many players posting and tons of replacements. And really haven't attempted to develop your reads or scum hunt. Your right. Let's go home. Game over.

"Won" the game? Hardly.

I was just asking a question.

I know - why not just ask tyou?

Hey, Aphix, who's yer scum partner?

[Klingoncelt]

I think is where I'm supposed to ask everyone to sheep me.

SHEEP ME, PEOPLE.

[Klingoncelt]

I think *this* is where ...

[Klingoncelt]

@fferyllt - Should Rosylily's vote be removed?

[Klingoncelt]

@aphix - Here's my deal with you: Your playstyle reminds me very much of someone on the board I came from. When she's Town she plays scummier than the actual Scum. Her "logic" is, at best, alleged.

I have to wonder if you're somewhat like that. We have 1 player like that within a very tiny playerbase, surely there are a good number like that on a site with as many members as this.

OR maybe you're simply Scum this game.

I'm thinking it's the latter.

[Klingoncelt]

No

Okay. Just wondering.

[Klingoncelt]

It should be attributed to the new player in the slot. Which has been fixed!

Thank you.

[Klingoncelt]

My last post was made in jest but after posting it, it does make more sense that you would vote Shinobi if you are scum reading him, since he's a more viable wagon than aphix.

Shinobi's wagon

is

more viable...

*thinks about it...*

Yeah, okay.

unvote
Vote: Shinobi

[Klingoncelt]

I'm pretty sure WBO is a class clown type. (Think Moonglow.) He hasn't had any scum games, so it's hard to tell, but I think he's goofball Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Although I wouldn't be surprised to see an unvote once the person reads the game.

Because I was ninja'd:

So you'd assume scum before bad logic ... While providing no actual reasons of your own. Or was to track your thought process. Just accusations and holding to a single vote all game. In the least you are anti town. Or your scum.

I suspect the former.

Though now my no might make sense.

I thought your "no" was referring to the slight error in the vote count.

[Klingoncelt]

@House - Shinobi is leaning ever so slightly town for me.

Or this. How about there is about 150 pages between her replying to House's reply to this post ... Then to her read list saying Shinobi's scum. Going from town to scum read on a player. Not MENTIONING that playing. Not trying to engage that player. Not attempting to do anything. Either she had NO basis to call this scum or something so drastic happened that she was just paralyzed from responding. I don't see how you go from town to scum on someone without trying to interact with your town read to find out what's going on.

Fluffpost. Aphix is claiming that there's only a single path (that follows a strict timeline) to decide who to vote for. Too lazy to read my posts to learn my logic. (Isn't that a scumtell?)

Klingon is just currently following the path of least resistance.

Blatant lie.

Let's go ahead and have you provide some links and in depth examples along with my town games that prove it. Oh. Also please provide a relative sample size.

Klingon, you also failed to go through this. You have meta on me that says I'm scum. But don't share it?
Maybe because you didn't read my games? You possibly scanned through some ISO's without actually seeing context? There's also the face that I have two scum games ... only one of wish I lasted for any length of time in. And I was a horrible lurksack in that game. And you considering my aggressiveness in this game as comparable? How about games where I play the same aggressive day one play to draw the night kill and flip VT? Again, please lets go ahead and see in depth analysis of my meta. If it gives you such assurance I am scum I'm sure you well convince others. You could probably wrap up the game in just two days sense you are just such a Mafia genius. Lets do this.[/quote]

Big fat bunch o' lies.

I explained - twice - how I read people by overall meta as opposed to a few posts in a current game. How could I possibly miss context reading

every goddamned thing you posted on this site

?


House, sorry, but this one's the scummiest of them all.

unvote
vote: back on Aphix

[Klingoncelt]

^ ^ ^ Error

Should read:

Klingon, you also failed to go through this. You have meta on me that says I'm scum. But don't share it?
Maybe because you didn't read my games? You possibly scanned through some ISO's without actually seeing context? There's also the face that I have two scum games ... only one of wish I lasted for any length of time in. And I was a horrible lurksack in that game. And you considering my aggressiveness in this game as comparable? How about games where I play the same aggressive day one play to draw the night kill and flip VT? Again, please lets go ahead and see in depth analysis of my meta. If it gives you such assurance I am scum I'm sure you well convince others. You could probably wrap up the game in just two days sense you are just such a Mafia genius. Lets do this.

Big fat bunch o' lies.

I explained - twice - how I read people by overall meta as opposed to a few posts in a current game. How could I possibly miss context reading every goddamned thing you posted on this site?


House, sorry, but this one's the scummiest of them all.

unvote
vote: back on Aphix

[Klingoncelt]

I read your ISO. As I stated in my fuckin. Post you didn't read there is no development of your shinobi read you go from shinobis town to I lean scum on him. No mentioning of him. No interaction with him. No attempt to interact with him. Nothing. Why is this a scum read? Not posting your reads or your thought process lets you decide when it'll be bwst to change your reads. And just claiming when they changed after the fact instead of having some sort of logical flow in thread.

You are revoting me so later you can say see aphix was wrong I was pushing his lynch when no one else was how's that the path of least resistance.

Moar desperation, pleez.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm sorry, how is aphix's post a fluff post?

It's a pile of words that says nothing.

[Klingoncelt]

I read your ISO. As I stated in my fuckin. Post you didn't read there is no development of your shinobi read you go from shinobis town to I lean scum on him. No mentioning of him. No interaction with him. No attempt to interact with him. Nothing. Why is this a scum read? Not posting your reads or your thought process lets you decide when it'll be bwst to change your reads. And just claiming when they changed after the fact instead of having some sort of logical flow in thread.

You are revoting me so later you can say see aphix was wrong I was pushing his lynch when no one else was how's that the path of least resistance.

Moar desperation, pleez.

Can you explain the desperation? I don't really see desperation here.

Why are you voting aphix? Is it purely OMGUS motivated or what are you doing, exactly? Do you not see any value in what he's saying or is that post a post only scum could make?

He's going hard with bad arguments at the only real noob in the game. He's trying to make it look like he's scumhunting, while setting me up for a mislynch either today or Day 2.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh fookin' wah, iz I supposed to has sadz now?

I'm telling you guys, Aphix is NOT Town. I am. You'll see.

[Klingoncelt]

Read the thread, WBO. I answered the questions the first few times they were asked. I'm not big on reruns.

If I were deflecting I would have said something like 'Gee if this were the USMB site, both Nacho and Luca would have been lynched by now for lurking.'

But I didn't say that.

Aphix's fixation on me is ridiculous. He's not scumhunting, he's just making lots of noise.

[Klingoncelt]

Where? I saw no examples you've provided. You didn't link to even a GAME let along give examples of how that game I was scum and this game equals it. You haven't supported SHIT.

I read ALL your POSTS. POSTS. Do you not know the difference between POSTS and GAMES? How the hell old are you? Shouldn't they have gone over this in school with you by now?

Here you go:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 5&sr=posts

[Klingoncelt]

Wanna know what I got from reading everyone's posts?

From my notes:

WBOCampfire - Goofball. Hasn't rolled Scum in previous games.

Luca Blight - A Mal-like Brit. A tiny bit nicer and more bland as Scum. Gives better reads as Town.

Aneninen - Haven't read his/her posts yet.

Shinobi (SE) - Played for a long time on other sites, played a bunch of games here. Is above average but plays by the book. Is same town or scum.

aphix (SE) - Definitely aggro and reactive, far more so as scum. Played a bunch of games here.

Evil Regals (SE) - Can be humorless, especially as Scum.

Nachomamma8 (IC) - Is said to give good reads. I haven't read him as he's likely to replace out.

[Klingoncelt]

Yeah. I know you said posts. But then you have no context. as I said and you disagreed with. So I'll repeat. Without reading the games. You have no context. Which makes it very hard to read anything. Also, if you werent wrong. You'd provide examples to support all of this, but you can't. However I can iso you in this game and provide ALL the examples of what I'm accusing you of.

Keep trying. And keep failing. I read the games enough, found out who was playing, who won and lost, and read the posts around yours. I found out what I needed to know.


Go to post 156. I have my games at USMB listed there. You should read them, they're amusing.

[Klingoncelt]

Wanna know what I got from reading everyone's posts?

From my notes:

WBOCampfire - Goofball. Hasn't rolled Scum in previous games.

Luca Blight - A Mal-like Brit. A tiny bit nicer and more bland as Scum. Gives better reads as Town.

Aneninen - Haven't read his/her posts yet.

Shinobi (SE) - Played for a long time on other sites, played a bunch of games here. Is above average but plays by the book. Is same town or scum.

aphix (SE) - Definitely aggro and reactive, far more so as scum. Played a bunch of games here.

Evil Regals (SE) - Can be humorless, especially as Scum.

Nachomamma8 (IC) - Is said to give good reads. I haven't read him as he's likely to replace out.

I'm not part of everyone?

[butthurt]

I've got your meta from USMB.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, and meta. I know Klingon's play style from off-site. She's usually much better at analyzing those outside of her tunnel.

Yeah, but at USMB the other players and I were there for years before the mafia games started. It's much easier to get inside their heads.

Most players here are complete strangers.

It's also hard to properly analyze when half the players replace out, and you know how hard it is to see the big picture when 2 or more players don't post.

[Klingoncelt]

To tell the truth, the last couple of pages can be summarized in a couple of sentences.

(1) Aphix keeps repeating the same things over and over, mostly in long posts. Klingonette doesn't know how to handle this.
(2) Both Aphix and Shinobi moved their votes from WBO to Klingon.
(3) House also moved from Shinobi to Klingon, though he had said that he hadn't wanted to move his vote at all. House, why do you think that Klingon is scummier than Shinobi?
(4) WBO is still terrible. He resembles me to Bitmap, a player whom I replaced in another newbie. He (I) was town but almost got lynched. (His gameplay is similar to someone else's too but because of the site rules I can't tell more about this.) Still, there's the fact that he replaced into a lurk-slot, while Bitmap and the "other player" had been in their game from scratch.
(5) Klingonette mentioned that she hadn't read my posts before. But she

had

given me an answer in 309. Plus, she called me "his/her" and I'd explained it before that I'm a "he". I'd like to see her explanation for those things. (And watch out there, I'm a Romulan fan, so one sneaky move and you can see plenty of Warbirds decloaking! ^_^)
(6) Neither Nacho, nor Luca have shared their reads yet. I'd really like to see those! Plus, more content from EvilRegalKitty too!

(1) I was gobsmacked at the way an SE treated a brand-new noob here. At USMB we don't do that, we're much nicer to new players. We try to get the better known scummy-looking ones lynched first.

(2) Because Scumteam?

(5) I haven't read every post you've made on this site yet. I'll be doing that tonight or tomorrow. Sorry about the gender mixup.

(6) I agree, I need more content here from Luca and Nacho.

[Klingoncelt]

So why the vote on him?

So why not?

Is there some rule I'm unaware of that says that you're allowed to tell the noobs how to vote?

Your overreaction to an RVS vote makes it pretty clear, you and Nacho are scumbuddies.

Okay, game over, Town wins.

Yay!

In/next

This is a strange post to me. I would expect Klingon to vote Aphix at this point in time: this is the point where her scumread on Aphix seemed more serious, and although she expressed suspicions of me being a scumpartner, it makes more sense to vote someone who had posted things that you disliked as opposed to vote someone who didn't post at all.

Where I come from what I did is known as snark.

@Nachomamma8 - I'm just curious here, why do you think Aphix went so batshit over my vote for you?

[Klingoncelt]

Vote: Aphix

And here, I don't understand what spurned you to switch your vote here: you were just starting to find issue with the things I was posting, and then you switch to Aphix?

Aphix's posts drowned yours out.

[Klingoncelt]

I love how I went from town lean to best wagon to null to scumteam based on nothing.

I am having a hard time pinning down a read on you.

So why did you vote for me?

[Klingoncelt]

Just a heads up, baring something actually happening. I'm done today until I see klingons flip.

As hard as you've been at me, what do you think your chances would be if I got lynched, as I would flip Town?

[Klingoncelt]

Actually it's 100% that I am Town.

[Klingoncelt]

I love how I went from town lean to best wagon to null to scumteam based on nothing.

I am having a hard time pinning down a read on you.

So why did you vote for me?

Several reasons.

1) I think that aphix's case is actually pretty good.
2) You OMGUS'd him based on that case, but you never indicated why it was purely a scum-motivated case and your reasoning was contrived.
3) It doesn't look like you care much about who gets lynched.

Not feeling a Klingon wagon.

Back home, I go.

VOTE: Shinobi

I am going to unvote Klingon for no reason and revote Shinobi for no reason.

Video gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaames.

1) Aphix has no case. His allegations center on my RVS vote of an IC. Aphix raised hell because I don't explain

why

, even though RVS votes require no explanation. He's been attacking my research and my playstyle, mostly with the attitude that I must play according to his definitions or else I'm Scum.

That's straight up bullshit. It's an attempt at controlling a player through coercion, sort of anti-buddying as it were.

2) I voteparked on him because I believe with every fiber of my being that he is Scum. I don't give a shit if he votes for me or not, as the Klingons say, "His words matter not and we do not hear him." So there's no OMGUS going on.

3) I votepark on Aphix. I switch my vote to you briefly, then go back to Aphix. Exactly how does that show me not caring who gets voted off when I'm voting for my top two choices for Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

@fferyllt - could Rosylily be prodded please? I'd like to hear more from her.

She has been prodded. She has until tomorrow morning to respond because the prod occurred on the weekend.

Ooops... Thank you!
It's difficult to get a good set of reads when so many people are lurking/replacing out.

One of my other complaints is the lack of content between Klingon's last quoted post and this one: everything in the middle is a complaint on Aphix's personality, but it makes sense that content dies with high lurker and replacement count.

Well, this will be a bit theoretic.
In Newbies, some of the newer players tend to do nothing and replace out if they are scum.
However, it's the scum faction which is to be afraid of replacements more, because replacements can dig up long forgotten things so as to build a case against them.
I think I read both of these things on the Wiki somewhere (?)
But, can we conclude anything from these to learn about Klingon's alignment?
(Do you all get what I meant by this post?)

I'm not used to half the players replacing out on Day 1.

It's a pain in the ass because, as I said, I go through every single post the players make on the entire site, and having to do it 4, 5, 6 extra times is a drag. BTW, it's meta I'm going for, but not just playstyle. I'm looking hard at personality. ISO'ing a player's posts within this game won't tell me anything I need to know about him/her. Despite Aphix's protestations against it, I've learned a great deal about all of you.

It's also a pain in the ass because we have a lot of no input whatsoever during the replace out/ins. Maybe the replacement could have made a worthy post that added to the game had he/she been here all along instead of playing catch-up. The balance goes off, it's like trying to start the game at Day 3.

[Klingoncelt]

There's been one person still one hundred percent set on their scum read based on RVS. They claim they have proof someone is scum but don't provide it. Don't even point out what in this game is scummy. Period. They have continued to not provide content. They haven't attempted to scumhunt. Haven't even attempted to look at any other player in the game. Has jumped from town reading a player to scum reading them without any other interaction or mention. Has yet to actually provide any reason for anything they've ever done. It's so horribly anti town that I could lynch just on that alone. But it's also full of scum tells. Literally I'm done for today. Guys do what you want. I'll be on to prod dodge.

He's lying, and badly.

Sheep. me. now.

[Klingoncelt]

In a 1v1 between you and aphix I don't see a single person that would vote him over you.

Nothing that you have said has made him any more of a worthy lynch target. Your case is bad.

I don't expect

you

to vote for him.

[Klingoncelt]

Watevs.

[Klingoncelt]

I like your logic.

[Klingoncelt]

Ane: IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS I'M TALKING ABOUT KLINGON. Her WHOLE FUCKING CASE ON ME involves what happened in RVS which one she keeps bringing up in all sorts of terms from the begining that completely refuses to consider anything else I've ever posted, and continues misrepping me there. She then goes ahead and says I'm scum on meta, but can't back that up. At all. Now she's saying I'm blatantly lying about things. And CONTINUES to avoid any sort of evidence or examples. Maybe one of you can have better luck getting her to fucking explain but guess what, she doesn't have anything to explain. It's a bullshit case, made up of bullshit. She's managed to derail two different wagons so far. And her utter play is anti-town, evasive lying bullshit.

ANE: I DON'T SEE How you could get two things confused in 473 it's very clear one is talking my case and one is talking about klingons. If you don't see that fuck off.

Stop flailing, you embarrass yourself.

My case on you is based on 1) your unjustified attack of a 1st-game noob over an RVS vote, 2) your MS site meta, which you claimed was useless and out-of-context, 3) you're playing your Scum style.

Instead of tunneling the noob and voting all over the place, maybe you could try to act more Townish.

[Klingoncelt]

Flailing? When I am at zero risk of getting lynched today? Yeah. Your dumb.

1) I didn't attack anyone. I asked a few questions. The fact you feel attacked is another concern.

2) My MS site meta proves I'm scum? Lets see it. Show evidence. Also, I said YOUR OFF SITE META is out of context you worthless slot. Try reading the game.
3) Please see number two.

1) Liar

2) No, you said that my reading of every post made by players in this game on this site was out of context.
The links I gave for my games offsite are links to the games themselves, in their entirety. Impossible to get my posts there out of context.
As for showing evidence, I've gone over it endlessly with you - you who are too fookin' lazy to correct a simple capslock problem. Read through the damn thread yourself or ISO my posts here, deadbeat.

3) You're Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I beg to differ.

One of them can be lynched today. I can really careless who

Lynch Aphix. You'll be happy you did.


Why would you want to lynch me?

[Klingoncelt]

In other words, Aphix isn't interested in hunting Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Aphix, I just saw an old post of Kuribo's that sums up the situation nicely:

"I JUST WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FUCKING HEAD TO SPITE YOU, THEN LET THE BLACK TENTACLWS CRAWL OUT OF MY MIND AND STEAL YOUR SOUL SO I CAN EAT IT, SHIT IT OUT AND PUT IT BACK IN YOU

I LOATHE YOU AND YOUR VALUES

AND YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT MAFIA

AND UGLY AND POOR"

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4962163

ps you're scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I quoted it because in its original form it had not been deleted and the poster not banned.

And, as an old quote from an unrelated post, it's an abstract.

I don't know if Aphix is poor or not and I don't care as personal income has nothing to do with the game.

Actually, I wish I could use the part I quoted as my username. I really like it.

[Klingoncelt]

Noted.

[Klingoncelt]

Thanks for the advice.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, 496 – Aphix is very far from that "demonstrative post", in my opinion.

Actually it's more about where my head is at after being tardtrolled for 10 days running.

(I still wish I could have it as a username.)

[Klingoncelt]

What the hell is going on in here? All the poo-flinging crazy accusations should have happened last week.

Do you guys want a policy lynch?
Then fucking make up your minds between me, WBO, and Aphix.

Do you want a Scum lynch?
Then go for Aphix, Shinobi, or Nacho.

Tick tock.

[Klingoncelt]

House,
My vote's been on Aphix all along. I'm trying to get everyone else to get together on a vote to avoid a NoLynch.

House, Aphix has been bouncing around all Day. He'll vote for anyone. One of the reasons I think he's Scum.

Nacho's my #3 choice for Scum. However, the Aphix wagon's going weak and no one's voting for Shinobi, so I'll go there to avoid a NoLynch.

Vote: Nachomomma

[Klingoncelt]

House,
My vote's been on Aphix all along. I'm trying to get everyone else to get together on a vote to avoid a NoLynch.

House, Aphix has been bouncing around all Day. He'll vote for anyone. One of the reasons I think he's Scum.

Nacho's my #3 choice for Scum. However, the Aphix wagon's going weak and no one's voting for Shinobi, so I'll go there to avoid a NoLynch.

Vote: Nachomomma

So Klingon, when Nacho flips scum, is aphix scum for busing or is Shinobi scum for dodging the wagon?

Can't have it both ways.

With either of them as Scum that leaves me a good target for a NK, so I might not get the chance to decide.

If

Nacho flips Scum.

Aphix remains my #1 choice, I think he'll target the noobs/weak players for lynches and the stronger players/anyone that Scumreads him for NK's.

Shinobi's defense of Aphix with no good explanation on how he could be townish puts Shiobi at #2 for me.

Tomayto, tomahto, they both need to go as far as I'm concerned.

[Klingoncelt]

Shinobi, not Shiobi.

[Klingoncelt]

Tomayto, tomahto, they both need to go as far as I'm concerned.

That's not very townish. There are only 2 scum in newbie games. Your noncommittal read is disconcerting.

What noncommittal? And I know there are only 2 Scum. The idea is to start with the top scumread and work down the list. Problem is that I don't think my #1 will get lynched today, and it's certain my #2 won't. I have to go with #3.

[Klingoncelt]

Her answer is she will always and forever vote me.

Yep.

Unless we get to 24 hours with no wagon on you and a possible No Lynch for the Day.

[Klingoncelt]

Her answer is she will always and forever vote me.

Yep.

Unless we get to 24 hours with no wagon on you and a possible No Lynch for the Day.

Why would scum bus their partner this close to deadline when they could easily mislynch by having Nacho sell a reasonable case on an unpopular townie instead?

Your prejudice over the spat you two are having is counterproductive

Unless Nacho flips Town.

[Klingoncelt]

I got your point, House.

I want to wait for the flip at least before I modify my reads and vote choices.

[Klingoncelt]

Aphix today, Shinobi tomorrow.

Vote: Aphix

[Klingoncelt]

Can someone explain why that happened?

Why what happened?

[Klingoncelt]

I like your powers Evil Kitty, but I think mine are stronger. Vote off Aphix today and then Shinobi.

[Klingoncelt]

Can someone explain why that happened?

Why what happened?

Nacho got lynched.

And I'm still not sure why that is.

All you have to do is read through the thread. Obviously the majority saw him as scummy. Unfortunately we were wrong.

Nacho's untimely demise isn't as curious as is Luca's sleeping with the fishes. Who did Luca scare?

[Klingoncelt]

Can someone explain why that happened?

Why what happened?

Nacho got lynched.

And I'm still not sure why that is.

All you have to do is read through the thread. Obviously the majority saw him as scummy. Unfortunately we were wrong.

Nacho's untimely demise isn't as curious as is Luca's sleeping with the fishes. Who did Luca scare?

No. Nobody gets to write off a nonsensical bandwagon as an "oh wellz" moment,

especially

when several people on the wagon had me as a scummier target and then hopped onto Nacho for very little. There is obvious scum motivation in pouncing on Nacho and most of those votes are unexplained or terrible.

When I get back from work, I'm going to parse it and see what's up.

Are you going to do a Vote Analysis or are you going to try to make your choices fit a Scum profile?

[Klingoncelt]

I like your powers Evil Kitty, but I think mine are stronger. Vote off Aphix today and then Shinobi.

Doubtful.

If I comprise its for a wagon on you

Unwise.

[Klingoncelt]

@ Aneninen - post 728 was Shinobi's not mine. Nacho was my third choice for scum. It didn't look like my first 2 picks, Aphix and Shinobi, were going to get lynched, so I went with my #3 to avoid a No Lynch.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, Klingon pull your head out of your ass and actually play the game.

I am.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm still convinced that the Scum team is Aphix/Shinobi.

At the other site the players have horrible ADD. A Scum player could

fully confess

during Twilight, and after the Night ends and the next Day starts, everyone votes for someone else, usually the Doctor.

I don't do that. I'll park in this tunnel until the game ends unless some compelling evidence changes my mind. Thus far I haven't seen any.

Hey, everyone, why was Luca NK'd?

[Klingoncelt]

You know my meta, and just how true the above post is in describing my play.

How are you reading ER as town?

Well, there can only be 2 Scum, and I think they're Aphix and Shinobi.

I'm hating ER's read on WBO.

@Everyone - Why was Luca NK'd?

[Klingoncelt]

Aphix, why was Luca NK'd?

[Klingoncelt]

You know my meta, and just how true the above post is in describing my play.

How are you reading ER as town?

Well, there can only be 2 Scum, and I think they're Aphix and Shinobi.

I'm hating ER's read on WBO.

@Everyone - Why was Luca NK'd?

You might hate it, but it's abousetly true. Like I'm just certain that jus behavioral patterns are scum movitaved. I been trying to get this lynch through for days now. Just vote him

I've been tunneling Aphix longer than you've been after WBO.

ER, why was Luca NK'd?

[Klingoncelt]

Aphix, why was Luca NK'd?

Reading his ISO. It was a smart kill. I think he has town reads on town players. He's processing at a good solid logical pace and I feel he was helping to develop the game even when 1v1ing Nacho. You add that with regards to him not taking a really strong stance on me, but seemingly not willing to vote. It places WIFOM on my slot as there is possibility maybe he'll swing a vote my way come day 2.

A great combination of activity, confident if not accurate reads and a little disruption to the game is a kill that is going to further mafia play.

Very good answer, thank you.

[Klingoncelt]

Well I was certainly wrong.

So now I have to figure out who WBO's Scum partner is...

I seriously doubt ER would so heartily bus a partner on Day 2, so she's pretty much conftown.

Is Scum #2 Aneninen, Shinobi, or House?

[Klingoncelt]

Shinobi has a talent for avoiding vote counts.

vote: Shinobi

[Klingoncelt]

Then who? Doesn't look like Aneninen, so it has to be you or House.

[Klingoncelt]

unvote

While my other suspect (House) is V/LA.

[Klingoncelt]

I think we're in a holding pattern until the V/LAs get back.

[Klingoncelt]

I think we're in a holding pattern until the V/LAs get back.

In for a minute.

I'm not scum. I think you are. and I think that is why aphix is dead. It was clear that he was going to tunnel you forever and a day, and I think you killed him to get him out of the way and the fact he was town doc was a bonus.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Proceed to OMGUS me. I don't care.

Out again.

Except that I was tunneling him first and I believe I said

I'd

tunnel

him

forever. And if I were Scum I wouldn't kill Aphix, that would make me the number 1 suspect. Mafia101.

What puts you at the top of my list was the "Nacho defense" you used for WBO. That was so over the top. I've never seen you fight so hard for another player.

[Klingoncelt]

Dang, you're cranky tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh. Sorry. Nevermind.

[Klingoncelt]

Awww...

[Klingoncelt]

What puts you at the top of my list was the "Nacho defense" you used for WBO. That was so over the top. I've never seen you fight so hard for another player.

This solidifies my scum read on you.

You know damn well I'll throw myself in front of a bullet for town, and making this statement when you know I can't dispute it publicly is scummy as fuck.

Town, lynch this with fire.

I'm Town.

I never said you wouldn't take a bullet for town I said the Nacho defense was way over the top - the defense was that Nacho would take a bullet for WBO. I don't recall you asking Town to lynch you instead.

[Klingoncelt]

Well we know that Teh Kitteh is Town.

I know that I'm Town.

That leaves Shinobi, House, and Aneninen to choose from.

So...

@Shinobi - Between House and Aneninen, who's the Scum?

@House - Between Shinobi and Aneninen, who's the Scum?

@Aneninen - Between Shinobi and House, who's the Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Town.
A mislynch today sends us into LyLo, doesn't it?

[Klingoncelt]

@Shinobi - Between House and Aneninen, who's the Scum?

@Aneninen - Between Shinobi and House, who's the Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

@Aneninen - Between Shinobi and House, who's the Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

Thank you, Aneninen, Shinobi, and House.

Evil Regals, what are your thoughts?

I'm still thinking House.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't want a mislynch. I'm not rushing into a vote.

[Klingoncelt]

WTF?

[Klingoncelt]

I was scum reading Aphix too, that didn't work out so well. I have to get it 100% right this time.

And you

are

cranky.

[Klingoncelt]

Something both House and Shinobi failed to pick up on was Aneninen's vote on WBO.

Just like ER, Aneninen is conftown.

So the decision goes between flailing aggro House and indecisive under-the-radar Shinobi.

Doesn't matter now. If there's a mislynch today, the other one goes tomorrow. Town win.

vote: House

[Klingoncelt]

If it's not you then it's Shinobi.

Make a case against him.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Town.

As long as you and Shinobi are voted off, Town wins.

Obviously one of you has to be a mislynch, but that's taking one for the team. It's guaranteeing a Town win. You shouldn't have a problem with this - if you're Town.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm really annoyed with the fact that Klingon is calling both of us scum at the same time.

Except I'm not calling both of you scum at the same time. One of you is Town. One of you is Scum.

Which one?

Hard to say.

Lynching both of you guarantees that we get the last Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Saying you are town over and over doesn't make it true.

Except that it is true. I know it. Either you or Shinobi knows it as well.

[Klingoncelt]

At this point Town = Aneninen and Evil Regals. It was stupid of Scum to not NightKill ER, he let a confirmed Townie live and made it easier to confirm Aneninen as Town. Those two are pretty much Masons at this point. And if one gets NK'd this Night, there's still a confirmed Townie. Big mistake for Scum.

I would never make that mistake.

[Klingoncelt]

Because I'm right?

[Klingoncelt]

What's your plan, then?

Mine can win the game for Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Why is Anem confirmed town to you Kling?

His eagerness to sheep you on the WBO lynch.

[Klingoncelt]

Find and lynch scum, same as every other time I roll town.

Your "plan" revolves around lynching two people without regards to their alignment. If House and I are both town, then we end up losing. That's why I don't like your thought process - everything you're saying is inconsequential for you because "one of us could be scum."

House and you are NOT both Town. One of you is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

And what makes you so sure?

Because ER is Town. Aneninen is Town. I am Town. Do the math.

[Klingoncelt]

WBO was Scum. He was lynched Day 2.

If Anen or ER were Scum, would they so willingly bus their Scumbuddy ON DAY 2? No. If they aren't Scum, they have to be Town.

[Klingoncelt]

So Anen and ER are town because they voted scum and nothing else?

That's a pretty powerful Towntell in itself, don't you think?

[Klingoncelt]

I know Klingon's town game.

This ain't it.

Bullshit. I have only 1 Scum game and during that I was sick and wasted on cough syrup. My gameplay changes all the time. In fact, early on I posted a link to my games from USMB.

[Klingoncelt]

No because scum can bus their partners.

On Day 2?

And why bus WBO? There were several potential lynch candidates, no reason for a bus.

[Klingoncelt]

Slip my ass.

[Klingoncelt]

Just like ER, Aneninen is conftown.

No, we're not. Noone has confirmed any of us via an investigation or something like that. I think Kitty is obv-town, though.

Okay,

obvtown

then.

Like I said, there was no need for Scum to start a wagon on one of their own on Day 2. You and ER are both obvtown, then.

House, on the other hand, isn't. He fought the lynch and it's possible that it was bussing on his part. Maybe not. I dunno.

I'm Town.
As long as you and Shinobi are voted off, Town wins.
Obviously one of you has to be a mislynch, but that's taking one for the team. It's guaranteeing a Town win. You shouldn't have a problem with this - if you're Town.

That's very wrong, Klingonette. There are five players here and in theory, any of us can be the scum. Your logic is flawed, unless...

The theory is not flawed. I'm certain you & ER are Town. I know that I'm Town. That leaves 2 unknowns. One of those unknowns is definitely Scum.

I'm really annoyed with the fact that Klingon is calling both of us scum at the same time.

...you need exactly

two

scumreads because the scum needs two mislynches. One for Today, one for Tomorrow.

That

annoys me in Klingonette's latest posts, Shinobi.

Except that I never read both of them as Scum. I said one's Town and one's Scum and I don't know which is which. If they're both lynched, then definitely the Scum gets lynched.

The problem with your shit logic is that I could do the same thing, substituting my name for yours because I know I'm town and it would make just as much sense (which means none at all).¹
If town is dumb enough to let you live, I would rather die now than get mislynched at MiLo.²

(1) This is very true. House could say the same, like "either Klingon or Shinobi is scum. Lynch one of them now and the other one Tomorrow."
(2) And that, unfortunately, means nothing. If you survive 'till Tomorrow, what will happen? You wouldn't let yourself lynched Tomorrow, because by doing so you'd lose the game, regardless of your alignment.

Yes, it is true. House, Shinobi, and I are all claiming Town. Each of us 3 knows our own alignment. Unfortunately only one of us 3 knows he's actually Scum.

It looks like you're going to have to trust me. Or not. If you choose "not" you risk losing tomorrow.

At this point Town = Aneninen and Evil Regals. It was stupid of Scum to not NightKill ER, he let a confirmed Townie live and made it easier to confirm Aneninen as Town. Those two are pretty much Masons at this point. And if one gets NK'd this Night, there's still a confirmed Townie. Big mistake for Scum.
I would never make that mistake.

Whut?
First of all, there are no Masons in this setup! What did you mean by that?
Second,

I think this was a scumslip

.

Everyone, if you think that I've been reading this part in the wrong way, inform me about that as soon as you can!

You two are so Town that no one in their right mind would vote for you. Okay, you don't have your own little chat thread, but you two can make a powerful team. Today. If we don't lynch Scum today then one of us will get NK'd.

Shin I think is town and I'm hoping Anem is town, but i can be wrong

Kitty I think is town and I'm hoping Shinobi is town, but I can be wrong. ^_^

whatever, based on this one of House/Kling is likely scum IMO

Not only because of the VCA. Because of their posts too.
I was thinking that House must be the scum. But, what if his Appeal to Emotion gameplay simply means that he doesn't think that he'd be able to survive this Day? Because, the latest posts of Klingonette – especially because of that slip above – were so scummy that right now I think she's the scum.

There was no slip. I am not Scum.

If you wish you can lynch me today. But then you'll have to decide tomorrow. You'll have to make a 50/50 decision instead of having the lynch candidate sitting there on a silver platter.

I can't believe you don't see the logic in this.

WBO was Scum. He was lynched Day 2.
If Anen or ER were Scum, would they so willingly bus their Scumbuddy ON DAY 2? No. If they aren't Scum, they have to be Town.

...and you're just ignoring the fact that House was on the WBO wagon too. Again, I think you simply're simply working on the two mislynches you need.

House fought that wagon with a really strange argument. Where he & I come from, bussing is very common. House's first game, as Scum, was a doozy!

the more i talk about kling the more im thinking town actually

Why? Care to explain?

[Klingoncelt]

Just like ER, Aneninen is conftown.

No, we're not. Noone has confirmed any of us via an investigation or something like that. I think Kitty is obv-town, though.

Okay,

obvtown

then.

Like I said, there was no need for Scum to start a wagon on one of their own on Day 2. You and ER are both obvtown, then.

House, on the other hand, isn't. He fought the lynch and it's possible that it was bussing on his part. Maybe not. I dunno.

I'm Town.
As long as you and Shinobi are voted off, Town wins.
Obviously one of you has to be a mislynch, but that's taking one for the team. It's guaranteeing a Town win. You shouldn't have a problem with this - if you're Town.

That's very wrong, Klingonette. There are five players here and in theory, any of us can be the scum. Your logic is flawed, unless...

The theory is not flawed. I'm certain you & ER are Town. I know that I'm Town. That leaves 2 unknowns. One of those unknowns is definitely Scum.

I'm really annoyed with the fact that Klingon is calling both of us scum at the same time.

...you need exactly

two

scumreads because the scum needs two mislynches. One for Today, one for Tomorrow.

That

annoys me in Klingonette's latest posts, Shinobi.[/quote]

Except that I never read both of them as Scum. I said one's Town and one's Scum and I don't know which is which. If they're both lynched, then definitely the Scum gets lynched.

The problem with your shit logic is that I could do the same thing, substituting my name for yours because I know I'm town and it would make just as much sense (which means none at all).¹
If town is dumb enough to let you live, I would rather die now than get mislynched at MiLo.²

(1) This is very true. House could say the same, like "either Klingon or Shinobi is scum. Lynch one of them now and the other one Tomorrow."
(2) And that, unfortunately, means nothing. If you survive 'till Tomorrow, what will happen? You wouldn't let yourself lynched Tomorrow, because by doing so you'd lose the game, regardless of your alignment. [/quote]

Yes, it is true. House, Shinobi, and I are all claiming Town. Each of us 3 knows our own alignment. Unfortunately only one of us 3 knows he's actually Scum.

It looks like you're going to have to trust me. Or not. If you choose "not" you risk losing tomorrow.

At this point Town = Aneninen and Evil Regals. It was stupid of Scum to not NightKill ER, he let a confirmed Townie live and made it easier to confirm Aneninen as Town. Those two are pretty much Masons at this point. And if one gets NK'd this Night, there's still a confirmed Townie. Big mistake for Scum.
I would never make that mistake.

Whut?
First of all, there are no Masons in this setup! What did you mean by that?
Second,

I think this was a scumslip

.

Everyone, if you think that I've been reading this part in the wrong way, inform me about that as soon as you can!

[/quote]

You two are so Town that no one in their right mind would vote for you. Okay, you don't have your own little chat thread, but you two can make a powerful team. Today. If we don't lynch Scum today then one of us will get NK'd.

Shin I think is town and I'm hoping Anem is town, but i can be wrong

Kitty I think is town and I'm hoping Shinobi is town, but I can be wrong. ^_^

whatever, based on this one of House/Kling is likely scum IMO

Not only because of the VCA. Because of their posts too.
I was thinking that House must be the scum. But, what if his Appeal to Emotion gameplay simply means that he doesn't think that he'd be able to survive this Day? Because, the latest posts of Klingonette – especially because of that slip above – were so scummy that right now I think she's the scum. [/quote]

There was no slip. I am not Scum.

If you wish you can lynch me today. But then you'll have to decide tomorrow. You'll have to make a 50/50 decision instead of having the lynch candidate sitting there on a silver platter.

I can't believe you don't see the logic in this.

WBO was Scum. He was lynched Day 2.
If Anen or ER were Scum, would they so willingly bus their Scumbuddy ON DAY 2? No. If they aren't Scum, they have to be Town.

...and you're just ignoring the fact that House was on the WBO wagon too. Again, I think you simply're simply working on the two mislynches you need. [/quote]

House fought that wagon with a really strange argument. Where he & I come from, bussing is very common. House's first game, as Scum, was a doozy!

the more i talk about kling the more im thinking town actually

Why? Care to explain?[/quote][/quote]

[Klingoncelt]

(Having trouble with site functions. It's a learning process.)

[Klingoncelt]

House fought that wagon with a really strange argument. Where he & I come from, bussing is very common. House's first game, as Scum, was a doozy!

If you were truly considering my first game in your "read" (lol) of me, you'd remember that I did not attempt to defend my scum partner in that game, and I was brand new to Mafia.

Do explain the logic of why I would go from not defending my scum buddy to the more noobish approach of incriminating myself by defending my outed co-conspirator.

You 1st game Scumbuddy screwed up and outed himself. He told you in the QT to bus him once he realized that he was doomed.

And you didn't defend an outed co-conspirator. WBO wasn't outed.

[Klingoncelt]

Yes he was.

It doesn't take a confession to be outed. Obvious scumminess it's scum.

If he was that obvious, why did you defend him?

[Klingoncelt]

Instead of getting all bent out of shape over me, I would think that you'd be making a case for Shinobi as the lynch du jour.

[Klingoncelt]

Instead of getting all bent out of shape over me, I would think that you'd be making a case for Shinobi as the lynch du jour.

That would be scummy, considering Shinobi is town.

How do you know Shinobi is Town?

And if he is Town, and if you are Town, then who's Scum? Aneninen?

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, we're getting nowhere.

House, Klingonette, you've been producing no content about each other for a while. Please, summarize your case against the other one in

one

post. If you have other reads, town or scum, summarize those too, if you wish.

Kitty, Shinobi, please post more!

My case:

With their vote on WBO, both EvilRegals and Aneninen proved they're Town. How? Because there would be no need for Scum to bus their own on Day 2 with other lynch candidates available.

I know that I am Town.

The math says then that there are only 2 possibilities for Scum: House and Shinobi. One is Town, one is Scum, but I can't tell which because House is flailing madly and Shinobi's going under the radar and both have failed to post content this Day.

Vote both of them off and Town wins.

[Klingoncelt]

Another point about Klingoncelt... from her experience with me, I don't have much motivation to stay alive as town.

What she doesn't know about me, is that was before Titus Meet 1.0.

I was the perfect mark for her to set up as an easy mislynch, and now it's backfiring on her.

Bullshit.

[Klingoncelt]

vote: Shinobi

[Klingoncelt]

The complete lack of reasoning here is really bothering me.

There's no way both of you can be mafia.

I still don't see why Anen is so town either.

Meh, if I've gotta vote to save myself then so be it.

VOTE: Klingon

Self preservation. Don't hate.

I really hate this game.

I do believe Shinobi's our Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

No you can't, House.

How long has he suspected me? Do you forget that he made 2 posts - only 2 posts about who he kinda-sorta suspected - Aneninen? Aneninen that is no way Scum, I proved it.

Now Shinobi's OMGUSing me.

It's him.

Fucking sheep me now, people.

[Klingoncelt]

Well, tonight someone's going to be NK'd. The surviving two Townies will have a decision to make.

Dumbasses. We could have won this game easily. Now we may likely lose.

[Klingoncelt]

If Shinobi were scum, he'd be doing a victory dance right now.

I think this qualifies:

You magnificent bastard.

[Klingoncelt]

Right, there's 5 of us. Damn lurkers.

5 minus me = 4. 4 minus NK = 3. Two of those 3 are Town and they have a 50/50 chance of lynching the right player.

[Klingoncelt]

Shinobi, YRU posting so much all the sudden?

[Klingoncelt]

@fferyllt - May I have the link to the Dead Zone, please?

[Klingoncelt]

I always step up when under threat of being lynched.

If you've got questions/things that need to be answered, then get to it. Don't just sit there and call me mafia because of stupid shit. Let's go.

I threw everything out there. Your only responses were a couple "I dunnos" and a couple ridiculous weak "

uh, maybe it's Aneninen, ehhhh...

. You never posted any content.

[Klingoncelt]

If we were having this conversation without you throwing your naked vote down, this probably would have been avoided.

Naked??????????????????????????????????????

How many fukkin' times did I spell out how Scum has to be either you or House?

Did you even read my posts?

[Klingoncelt]

Fun game, Ffery!

Aneninen, aren't you slick, then. You sure had me fooled.

House, Shinobi, kiss and make up.

[Klingoncelt]

Fferyllt, thanks for modding and the flavour was very good indeed! (By the way, are you planning to mod an "esoteric-themed/flavoured" game in the near future? ^_^)

Thanks! I try to do a little somethin somethin with my newbie games to keep the vote counts and card flips interesting.

I plan to do another tarot-themed game sometime soon. Haven't decided if it will be a mini theme or a large theme.

I'm in the mini queue slowly creeping toward the top of the list. I think my game will go into sign-ups sometime in January probably. Pre-ins are all taken, but I'll be happy to send out a PM to interested parties once sign-ups start. Edgar Allen Poe uPick!

I'm interested in the Tarot game. pre-/in.

[Klingoncelt]

Fferyllt, I'd be happy if you PMed me. ^_^

House, Shinobi: please, stop over-reacting each other. Players make mistakes (if it weren't so, there would be no point for playing Mafia). Especially in newbie games.

Klingonette: as far as I know she's not planning a Tarot-game now. But if anyone were, I'd pre-in immediately! Are you into Tarot too?

Yes I am, actually.

By the way, I've just noticed that we've managed to get into the Record page: we're tied in the 3rd–5th place for "Smallest Days in a Newbie Game". Check out http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Records!

Cool!