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SilverWolf's vote doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I like that she made it.
???????In post 44, goodmorning wrote:Maybe it needs to be raining mans?As I move my vote
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I'm not sure what rain is a metaphor for here. Still, I'm obligated to support any and all song references. Maybe itdoesneed to be raining mans.
The confirmation deadline is around 4 pm Eastern tomorrow, so there's that.As I move my vote
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Buddying is way too much fun to be scummy! But no, I didn't really get that vibe.
I didn't realize lordj had completed games. May I see?Disclaimer: I will probably never read them. Fortunately I'm like the third player to bring up meta publicly, so maybe someone else will!As I move my vote
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In theory I believe in meta! In practice I don't really have the attention span to sit through games I wasn't in, and even if I did, my scumdar probably still wouldn't pick up on any scum that wasn't a direct and current threat to my own wellbeing. Since I have played exactly one game since anyone else here was even on the site, I'm out of luck.
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Butstill.
I know about the on-site one! I also know that it's ongoing, and I'm more looking for examples of your town game.In post 76, lordj210 wrote:i played games on another site replaced into one game here but was replaced out when i had to leave for i think 8 days for honeymoon or 4 days for miitary i cant remember off top of my head nowAs I move my vote
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Huh. Why LoHa?
(I typed a slightly(slightly)longer follow up and have it on hand, but then lordj posted and I decided to ask about his reads below.)
Lordj: you can't post unsolicited links to other mafia forums for the purpose of advertising, but since I asked you for them for meta purposes, they're fair play. If you don't want LoHa at -2, uh...why not fix that yourself?
Do you think anything about anyone else right now?As I move my vote
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There's a difference between not voting and voting No Lynch, you know.
I'm also leaning town on kyle, for what it's worth. I have absolutely no meaningful opinions on goodmorning, which is weird because most of what I do have is from things that revolve around her in some way. I'm...starting to lean town on lordj too, I think.As I move my vote
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I joined because I was feeling out of touch with a community that I was growing closer to. But my last game made it clear that I can't just flip a switch and expect to magically be my past self again. Ironically my problem is that I haven't hadenoughemotions since I got back, and that's just no fun.
I'm hoping to work through that, though! Hence a newbie game.
Why do you ask, though?
Stepperman's missed his confirmation deadline, incidentally.As I move my vote
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Nah, the hi was for OceanWind.
I just...don't get what LoHa's trying to do. He has experience, apparently--it kind of bothered me that he was so terse about coming out with it, which is Page 2 logic but was still a part of my initial vote. (Also I already knew at that point that it wasn't very likely to be anyone else, for various reasons that mostly don't say anything about how townish they actually are.)
His 27 didn't really strike me either way. (Now that I'm typing this I keep wanting to talk about how weird it is that he was asking permission to vote goodmorning, when I don't see how he'd read her jokey reaction as a town tell if he thought she was scummy before then. And maybe that's true and maybe it isn't, but either way I know I'm saying it from a perspective of being sick of us spinning our wheels and really wanting to find somebody scummy already.)
I don't like his showing after I voted, either. People were exchanging reads by then, and he just dropped in and asked me about my return. He doesn't know me and doesn't strike me as someone who asks things just to socialize, and I don't see the point. Continuing to talk about Sakura's Page 1 vote didn't impress me either.As I move my vote
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Lordj, please don't speculate on power roles out loud. (Your train of thought doesn't really make any sense to me, but if it did, that would be really bad for the town.) When it's the right time for them to claim them, they can claim them. Until then part of the town's job is to keep them hidden.
This doesn't actually make me think lordj is more likely to be scum, to be clear.
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Actually, I think every time I've seen that, it was from town. I can give links--I can think of at least four examples just off the top of my head, one of which was me.SilverWolf wrote:This is scummy. Town would never say things like this, even if thinking them.My 16 year old self was such a mess.As I move my vote
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Don't do it! I am a huge fan of the spilling your guts playstyle, and the hopes of shutting off the part of me that secondguesses everything and winds up not posting over it is part of the reason I'm here. But power roles are an exception; that's a kind of read you need to keep to yourself. If he claims vanilla later, THEN you can point out where you think he was acting like a power role. (In this case I'm not seeing what you're seeing anyway, but yeah.) Stick to who's scum and who's town!
SilverWolf you should come vote LoHa.As I move my vote
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In general I just think he isn't scumhunting at all, doesn't really have the kind of curiosity I'd expect from town and the questions he does ask feel artificial, and he doesn't lordj's/Mightymandarin's style of newbishness to protect him.As I move my vote
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I just realized that LoHa is at -1, thanks to goodmorning's random vote. I'm going tounvote, even though I still think he's scum. I get goodmorning's logic about his 169 and...honestly I still think he's scum anyway.
Then I'm going to hypocritically agree with SilverWolf. More people should really be voting by now!
(Also I'm really hoping OceanWind starts posting here already. He's already announced his entry over in the newbie queue thread, but not here?)As I move my vote
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I'm in the States, on Eastern time. My posting rate might stay like it is, or I might suddenly realize I don't have a clue what I'm doing, get severely depressed in real life and vanish for ages. It's hard to say! I don't feel depressed, but my track record in the olde days wasn't stellar.
Ihatebeing scum.
From the way lordj was talking earlier (68), I think he thinks no lynch and not voting are the same thing. (Pre-edit: and that's what he just said, too.) I can elaborate on why I think coolkyledude's town if it's important and other people are bothered by this. But I kind of want him to post more instead of answering.
Here is Mightymandarin's experience: some games in 2008, where he felt like he didn't do very well.
Here is coolkyledude's experience: 3 games of EpicMafia, and Town of Salem. Those aren't forum mafia, and while I haven't played them, I don't get the idea that they translate very well, especially to a site like Mafiascum.
Here is lordj's experience: he got modkilled in his one completed game.
Those three blatantlyperceivethemselves as newbies, and it shows. (Well, maybe lordj doesn't. But I do.) LoHa described himself as a veteran and his second post was dripping with mafia jargon. So yes, I'm holding him to a higher standard than those three. (He's also not actually admitting that he doesn't have reads, unlike Mandarin and lordj; he's just failing to have them, beyond sorta-kinda OMGUSing me and occasionally bringing up Sakura's vote from Page 1.) It's hard for me to believe that you don't see a difference.
(I say all this. Sakura says Osu play isn't strong either, and she knows better than I do, considering I'd never heard of it before.)
What do you think of him on his own merits?
A lot of your accusations toward me are for attacking LoHa for things while ignoring or townreading other newbies for similar things. So why me/SilverWolf? If I were scum with another SE, why would I be bothering with this supposed double standard?As I move my vote
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Post 188, lordj wrote:after rereading and looking more or less just at lohas posts i feel like the case on her is basically jsut off previous off site mafia games that they may or may not have played together
Um.Post 188, lordj wrote:because i feel she is just wanting to lynch someone anyone, stated the case on Loha it stuck with a couple of players if it didnt stick she woulda jsut made a case up on someone else
How so?
(You're right about one thing, though. Normally I prefer to hold off on my first push longer than I did here. But this entire playerlist seemed to be the same way, with no non-random votes on anyone except goodmorning, and I didn't feel any real interest in that case. Someone had to make a move, you know?)As I move my vote
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I have no past experience with LoHa, and no idea where you got that. I do think his behavior doesn't befit a so-called veteran, but again, Sakura says that Osu experience doesn't count for much, and she knows better than I do. I still think he's scummy.As I move my vote
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In post 184, goodmorning wrote:i want to help you get in the game but i don't know howwww
Also I agree with goodmorning.
Is there anything I can do? Do you want to talk about anybody?Would you like a pokemon avatar??As I move my vote
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Good to know! I'm not sure I see the pattern you do, but of course I haven't read those and my studious "kick the READ GOODMORNING can down the road you don't have to care about this yet don't worry" campaign is still going strong, sooo.
Are you feeling better? Would it help you feel more invested if I started asking questions?
This page is an easy way to search people's recent newbie games, for future reference. I still have some unread tabs lying around from that. (But if 2/2's all you want to do, that's fair, that's more than I'd sit through.)As I move my vote
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Goodmorning I am totally readable by this point if it helps. Probably. My last scum game was in 2009, so, you know.
LoHa is still the scummiest person in the game in my book, to be clear. (And his latest post, uh...I don't know if it's scummy that he suddenly flipped into thesaurus mode, but it makes his posts less accessible and I'd like him to stop.) I'm standing back right now because, hey, I wanted peopleincluding meto stop talking about possibly metaing each other in the future and get to the point, and I got that. My accidental unvote suits me fine.
I am not impressed with OceanWind's post, but I'm also not going to read him or anyone else on just a catchup. I really hope he doesn't stick to once or twice a day posting, though.As I move my vote
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Heh.
I wasn't laying a trap, for what it's worth. I did want a reaction, but I'm not really sure what you're getting at there!
I think you (and lordj) are probably town, by the way. I don't really get your read on Mightymandarin. (I think he's likely to be replaced, though. He hasn't even logged into the site in the past 24 hours, let alone posted, and this is while the game's still young.)As I move my vote
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I've found myself nodding along to a ton of what SilverWolf has said on this page, eeexcept my first impressions of OceanWind are townish now. You did kind of OMGUS him first.
(I don't get why his explanation of why he RQSed is enough to get a town read from Sakura Hana. Like, I'm not actually anti-RQS in any way, I totally agree that knowing people's alignment preferences can be helpful. But it's just a piece of theory. Anyone who ever uses RQS will tell you the exact same thing.)
OceanWind, could you try to condense your posts a bit more? I don't mind a wall of pure text every now and then, but that quote-reply-quote-reply style is really hard for me to focus on. Shorter more frequent posts would be even better.
I think a lot of your case on SilverWolf kind of assumes she has to be scum and therefore everything she does has to be scummy. Like, her paranoia toward goodmorning acting differently (but more pro-town before meta considerations) doesn't have to be ego-stroking. I get where she was coming from and I think she's town (and that was one of the first things that led me to that conclusion, actually), but if she were scum it could still just be noise. That's also how I feel about the idea that I'd townread some newbies and attack other newbies for comparable behaviors as scum with SilverWolf.
I think MoosyDoosy also said this.
(Relatedly I don't see "not answering questions" as part of the case on LoHa as far as I'm concerned, but I continue to think he's scum anyway. Hmm hmm.)
Kyle didn't do a ton, but what he did do had a paranoia to it that I'd expect more from newbie town. Both paranoia toward an IC, and paranoia about someone being friendly toward him...I'd expect newbie scum to start with easier targets, and I'd expect town (newbie or not) to have worse reactions to potential buddying, where scum just see an ally.Post 227, OceanWind wrote:Yeah, do this. Now that he replaced out, you are not really throwing away a chance to develop your read further by revealing what you know.As I move my vote
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I am still absolutely fine with LoHa's death! But I feel like my reads are still improving, so I'm not really in a hurry to end things.
Despite what I said about lordj, if LoHa flips scum I could see him as a partner. Going through his posts, there are a lot of places where he seems to have more concern for his wellbeing than I'd expect, and his vote on me is kiiiiiiind of chainsawish in that light.(And I could kind of see his "you look like a power role" comment as being an attempt to scare people off of LoHa, in his brain? Maybe? I have no idea, honestly I say this but that was one of the things I saw as probably town.)I'm not remotely interested in pursuing this before we have LoHa's alignment, but I'm throwing it out there.
I think OceanWind's failure to get into quicker more interactive discussions with other players is a bad side-effect of that "make a huge post once a day" approach. That's another reason I wish he'd switch to smaller more frequent posts, yeah.
Town usually go looking forscum.Sometimes they get that wrong; sometimes when they lock onto someone they proceed to lock on to absolutely everything about them. I'm from the days of full PBPAs, and yes, I think it's confirmation bias. I think this is OMGUS on your part, not in the scummy sense but in the sense that people are subconsciously more inclined to view attacks on them as scummier than attacks on others.
Mightymandarin has slipped into prod range.As I move my vote
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In post 248, Ether wrote:(I don't get why his explanation of why he RQSed is enough to get a town read from Sakura Hana. Like, I'm not actually anti-RQS in any way, I totally agree that knowing people's alignment preferences can be helpful. But it's just a piece of theory. Anyone who ever uses RQS will tell you the exact same thing.)As I move my vote
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Random Question Stage. That's the term for doing it to hit the game off, as a sort of counterpart to the more standard Random Voting Stage. (My experience is that it doesn't work all that well and tends to just end in a bunch of people arguing about whether bothering with a RQS is scummy, but again, it doesn't hurt to have that information later.)
It's probably not accurate to call it that on Page 8, but those are the same sorts of questions.As I move my vote
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Huh? LoHa has nothing to do with this. We're talking about OceanWind's questions, the ones about people's alignment preferences and posting rates.
(Well. Actually I'm talking about Sakura's reaction to OceanWind's questions, but close enough.)As I move my vote
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Post 303, Sakura wrote:Apparently Ocean is townreading me, i don't know why.
It's nice how in video games you can just press the "A" button and people will keep talking. You don't have to say anything or set the subject for yourself, they just go ahead and keep saying what they wanted to say. Reality is so much trickier than that.
I'm not sure what I'm asking yet. I'm askingsomething, though.As I move my vote
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It fills my head up and gets louder andLOUDER-
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I don't think it was a ploy in the sense that he's secretly brilliant and trying to portray himself as helpless. But he had to postsomething, and asking newbie questions is much less work than giving reads--either real or fake.
The nature of the scum PT depends a lot on who's in it. If it's two newbies, then they wouldn't be getting a whole lot. (For that reason, if LoHa flips scum, I'd absolve goodmorning, SilverWolf and Sakura Hana then and there. I think if he had an experienced coach who was around early while his fate was less bleak, his play would look different.)
Mightymandarin's likely to get replaced tomorrow night, if he doesn't reappear. I really wish he'd just ask for replacement instead of waiting out the prod timer, if it has to be one of the two.As I move my vote
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Try again.Post 315, Mightymandarin wrote:I know everyone is dogpiling on LoHa right now because his reasoning is weak and he's being aggressive. But wouldn't Mafia play more lightly, less aggressively in a newbie game?As I move my vote
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