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Hi guys!
VOTE: Xisqolemir
Has an unpronouncable name.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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The purpose of the votes at the start of the game for random reasons is to get the game started. Inevitably in this stage someone will do something to get serious discussion going, could be anything from joining a wagon to just making a scummy post. See the below article for more info.
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In post 21, JaeReed wrote:How much overall mafia experience does everyone have, and how much on this site?
I just finished my first game overall fairly recently.
I have probably at least 50+ Forum Mafia games completed, a mix of games here and off site.
Xisqo - do you think Jae's approval seeking could have come from town?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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All right sounded like you were over-sure of yourselfIn post 41, Xisiqomelir wrote:
That is certainly possible. I don't feel he's getting near confscum yet.In post 31, SirCakez wrote:Xisqo - do you think Jae's approval seeking could have come from town?
Laser and Lucas, why not put a new vote down when you unvoted? Your vote is your biggest weapon, you should be using it to pressure someone.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This isn't true though.In post 45, LaserVP wrote:
Because if everyone is doing a random vote, everyone knows that they are doing it for no particular reason. We still really aren't out of the RVS (half us are in, half are out).In post 44, SirCakez wrote:
Laser and Lucas, why not put a new vote down when you unvoted? Your vote is your biggest weapon, you should be using it to pressure someone.
With that logic, anyone I try to vote wouldn't and shouldn't be affected. It's not like I outted a read yet. They would know it's a pressuring technique without any real substance and be able to react normally. As maf or town. It's not alignment telling.
Heck, I could be at L-1 right now and not care. I know I'm not getting hammered unless someone actually brings up any evidence.
Right now, the only thing we have is the debate on Jae's approval seeking for anyone (which by the way, think she reacted pretty good on. Didn't really find it scummy to begin with). We literally have a person who took 2 days to get here just to basically say he wasn't dead. We have another 2 who voted on the first day and haven't shown up since. With little to go on, a vote here would be useless because anyone I vote will know it's not a real read.
To conclude- The RVS definition was a little bit off than I thought. You guys actually try to formulate reads off blind guesses instead of using them to be icebreakers.
All reactions are telling, whether they know it's pressure or not. For example, if a scum knows they are being pressured without reason they might try to play it off and ignore it. That can be analyzed.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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We are playing mafia here, so obviously reactions can be faked. The point is to analyze these reactions and determine if they are fake or not. I think this should be pretty obvious.In post 48, LaserVP wrote:It's the internet, you can fake reactions.
I missed your unvote actually. I made that post from mobile so I scrolled past it accidentally probably.In post 50, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: SirCakez
You asked laser and Lucas why they weren't using their votes to pressure, yet I haven't had my vote on anyone for a while now either. Why did you exclude me?
They can, you just have to know what to analyze from them. For example, if you see someone who is unconfident follow someone's else's random vote quickly, then there's a decent chance they could be scum together, or scum looking to hitchhike off town.In post 53, datanksta1213 wrote:Does a random vote really help town at all then? I'm guessing it does not, mostly just used to spur the game into action. Are there any other common ways this is done?
Currently I have a very strong townread on you. Your level of engagement in the game feels natural and town, and I very rarely see new scum reach the level of content you have created.In post 64, JaeReed wrote: Sir, you've asked questions but I don't feel like you even expected to get anything AI from what you asked. What are your thoughts on the game so far?
I like the big reads wall and analysis Alban just created as well, it shows an eagerness to get into the game that looks like a town perspective.
I currently have two scumreads: tank and Laser. I dislike Laser's dismissal of the power votes hold to get reactions and create pressure, it feels like scum trying to avoid having to push someone. Tank has done very little to push conversation forward or to contribute any content to the table.
VOTE: LaserVP
I think this is a better vote then tank, as I want to see Tank produce some real content to judge him better.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Your opinion on RVS was part of the reasoning for my vote, yes. I think you are putting far too much discredence onto the power of votes and it reads like a scum tactic.In post 73, LaserVP wrote:Cake
And here we have the one guy with enough balls to vote me. I perfectly understand why. Like I said before, I purposefully tried to be null read so as to not get lynched, but not die in the night. Like Xis, you agree with the RVS. I'm not going to repeat what I think. You all obviously know that. Cake, you and I have actually had pretty much the same exact day. All we talked about was the concept of RVS, with the two of us on different sides of the chart. That brings me to this conclusionIs my opinion on RVS factor into your vote on me?. You do claim that I'm trying to prevent pushing on someone. That's fair, cuz I really haven't tried. I still considered the time around my last post to be RVS period. I believe we are out of said period now. Other than the stark difference, up until this point our days were basically the same. Your most recent post still does this. Besides the part where you answered my part about faking reactions (which your answer is weird, you pretend that I don't know anything about mafia and how wifom works, yet somewhat agree and disagree at the same time). I already talked about how I know how to scumread. Yet I still get the title as noob.
All from one post? I like the analysis you did here but I'm not sure why you have such a strong townread on me mainly from that one post when you know I have a strong scum game.In post 75, JaeReed wrote: Cakez is probably town. Like 70% certainty in a town read there now.
This is a post I really don't like. Laser is basically telling Jae to stop engaging with him which I have a big problem with as Jae is probably the most active and engaged player in the game. Looks like scum trying to get an aggressive player to back off.In post 79, LaserVP wrote: So you scum read me for being pissed off at what I see as a direct insult to my intelligence.
Oh my God, he showed feelings, mark him as scum. We don't appreciate that here.
If you think I'm scum, show the balls and vote me. If you dont like my "antagonistic" style, vote me.
If you want me to not discredit, insult and theory; stop lying to my face, stop asking about my theory in the first place (I think at this point, you have brought up theory more than I have) and stop pissing me off.
I think we have an understanding.
Not specifically the random votes here, but Laser's posts regarding RVS were very valuable for me. Sometimes you'll see sheeping or awkwardness in the RVS votes by themselves but not here.In post 83, lucca261 wrote:
Pretty good post. I disagree with some of your reads, but you explained it very well and clearly. I also think you are looking to scumhunt and can understand your points, even though I disagree with them.
Just one question for you:
1. You said that random votes can be analysed well to get some good things for them. On this game, do you did analysis on the random votes. If yes, what did you find?
Laser is definitely my top scum read now with how he reacted to Jae's questioning.
Singer now leans scum with Tank, both still have yet to produce serious content. Still waiting on both to contribute more.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In post 98, LaserVP wrote:This is going to be a fun one.
Like I said before, I feel you are one step away from making this blind tunnel then actually reading. That's not enjoyable to any faction of the game. I replaced a guy in my first game who basically stopped having fun for being hard tunneled. He was town. I could vote to pressure you (which I think is something you complained about me not doing), but it's not worth my sanity.
It's nice to know my personal opinions on a subject cause a vote. I literally had to decipher myself what the hell was going on, and I found faults in it. Again, I seem to have the unpopular opinion. Fine.
And then you come to my reaction to Jae. I know what I'm doing most of the time, but the reaction to Jae was more based on taking an argument out on an innocent person on the internet because of real life problems. You don't have to believe a word I say about that. Heck, I said it myself, anyone can fake reactions (I mean, I know how to appeal to the emotions really well).
I can't really knack on you for my read on you because I have done everything you said I did. I can't deny it. The only thing that does trouble me is that you voted me based on my own opinion, which I find a horrible reason. You do have some other reasons though. My follow up question is why does an opinion on a game mechanic contribute that much to a scumread?
It's less your opinion on RVs and more your refusal to do something to pressure anyone else with your vote. Like I could understand you not understanding the purpose of RVS but you just weren't doing anything with your vote which looked to me like an attempt to avoid engaging with others.
I don't think this is a blind tunnel, I have explained my reasoning fairly well in my opinion.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In post 99, JaeReed wrote:In post 96, SirCakez wrote:
All from one post? I like the analysis you did here but I'm not sure why you have such a strong townread on me mainly from that one post when you know I have a strong scum game.
Kind of? There's a little more to it than the one post, but that definitely made the flip where my paranoia felt like just that - paranoia. Your RVS post felt loose and generally unconcerned with hiding, so on a gut read level I would usually call that townish. I didn't because it's you and I honestly wouldn't put it past you to be able to do that as either alignment. Your 31 showed that you were trying to figure out Xisiq. Granted, it could have been from either alignment and I may just like that it came across as a defense of me, but it felt like you were trying to get a handle on his intent/motivations there which I like for a town!Cakez too.
Your post in response to me was just solid. Your reads were good and showed that you have been scumhunting and imo thinking about the game more than what you had put out there. I could see the thought process you followed to reach your conclusions even if I might not agree with them. I get that you could do this as either alignment if you're good enough, but none of that felt fake, if that makes sense? You didn't make a bs excuse for missing my unvote, which also works in your favour. Though you would probably do that as either alignment anyway.
There's generally a lack of scummy things from you, I think, and enough towny things that I can't really justify even the 70% certainty as opposed to something higher. Or the flat town read instead of "Strong Town" which is where I'll pretty much WK. You're not conftown to me and can't be just yet because I know how strong your scum game is. It's probably frustrating for you but if you're town take it as a compliment. I doubt you'd ever need a newbie to WK you anyways
Honestly the main thing that still bugs me is:
In post 44, SirCakez wrote:All right sounded like you were over-sure of yourself
I don't know why this rubs me the wrong way but it does. As Xisiq pointed out, the only way he could be sure of anything was with moderator supplied information, so I guess my real problem is the redundancy of this? Or perhaps the dismissive tone I feel I'm picking up? Could you expand on why you felt the need to drop this line?
Oh it looked like your townread on me was born solely of that one post I made, like how you posted about that townread on Lucca earlier for one of his posts that "bled towniness". Elaboration on this helps a lot.
I wanted to follow up on the question because it did have a purpose to it (checking how strong his scumread was for how early it was in the game) and I didn't think I had made it clear in the question when I asked it initially so I wanted to clarify and also acknowledge his answer.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In post 100, JaeReed wrote:In post 96, SirCakez wrote:Singer now leans scum with Tank, both still have yet to produce serious content.
Why does Singer lean scum? I assume you're not reading her VLA as scummish so did you get something from her posts?
The lack of serious content from her mainly. I understand her V/LA might factor in but she's hardly contributed much reads-wise. I'm waiting for her V/LA to end so I can see if she steps it up.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Alban - I noticed you had a slight scumread on Robert for short, small posts that look like prod dodges, while you had Tank as slight town for few posts and trying to figure out what was going on (?). Are your reads on these two still the same?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I read it as not alignment-indicative, since I think it could have come from sheeping scum or just town agreeing with someone else's read. He doesn't have a pattern of sheeping in his ISO or anything as well.In post 120, JaeReed wrote:
It read ok to me. Sort of like "I believe one of you will flip scum."In post 103, Xisiqomelir wrote:UNVOTE: JaeReed
Cakez is right, this would be a highly unusual postcount and participation rate for any scum D1, let alone newscum.
Ill leave my vote here for the moment.
VOTE: datanksta1213
@JaeReed, Robert E Me: re: LaserVP - How do you feel about this statement from Laser
in a setup where there are a known quantity of scum (2)?Like I said, I'm not teaming you guys, but I scumread you both.
It could be seen as lining up mislynches, though.
Also, I really dislike the "Cakez is right" thing. I get that you came to your own conclusion and all that but I seem to see scum use the same kind of wording in opens or theme games when I read them and so it rubs me the wrong way.
Cakez, thoughts on the sheeping with wording? Am I off base here?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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That's a part of the post I didn't like, I thought I had mentioned it. As before with Laser, it felt like an excuse to try to disengage and avoid interacting with me while pushing.In post 121, lucca261 wrote:Cakez #113
Spoiler:
What do you think of Laser saying that he didn't vote you because he didn't want you tunneling he?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is notable for me. I just checked her early ISO and I found several examples of scumhunting attempts (vote on me for the missing her unvote, vote on tank). Where is this "not scumhunting at all" thing coming from?In post 121, lucca261 wrote:Aside from the whole lack of reads thing, I did a quick re-read of your ISO and did not see you scumhunting at all. All I see is you stating something and asking somebody their thoughts on it and answer questions. Asking somebody their thoughts, I have no issue with that, but you don't expand on the answers most of the time. Also, your readlist is very very easy, as you are only scumreading both players that aren't here.
I question for you, Jae: Can you point to parts of game where you scumhunt someone?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is very questionable. Tank has done nothing since that readslist, while Robert at least bothered to reply to you, and your reads on both remain the same. Especially your townread on Tank feels very bizarre. I don't see how anyone can have a townread on him at this point with how little he's done.In post 126, alban wrote:
No change. Both of them haven't posted a single post apart from that one reply from Robert, and so no change in the reads on them. I will be changing my vote though, by the end of tonight from Robert. The vote did what it was supposed to do, elicited a reply from him, and I don't think it's gonna do much more than that.In post 116, SirCakez wrote:Alban - I noticed you had a slight scumread on Robert for short, small posts that look like prod dodges, while you had Tank as slight town for few posts and trying to figure out what was going on (?). Are your reads on these two still the same?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Sorry guys I'll get to this game tomorrow. I've been stuck on mobile all day and will be through tomorrow afternoon so hard to write long posts.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Catching up on this now!Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I really liked this big post from Jae. Correctly deconstructed Alban's case on her while also coming to the same conclusion I am of alban being scum caught for the wrong reasons. I'm probably going to vote Alban after my catchup ends.In post 134, JaeReed wrote:-snip-
alban sounds like scum who's caught for the wrong reasons, to me. The chainsaw was questionable but the attack on me is downright head-scratching. He's reaching pretty hard. I'm fine with my vote where it is, on data, but if he flips scum then I'm even more sure now that alban's his partner.
Singer's catchup was ok, a lot of fluff, but better then other slots in the game.In post 140, singersigner wrote:
Ah, I see that! Ok. Makes sense then.JaeReed wrote:Nice to see you, singer. Your first question I answered, and I think you picked that up but forgot you asked it since it quoted was in one of the things you quoted (the lucca 35) I was aware. Was trying to get a reaction with the L2. The joke got reacted on instead, lol.
The rest will have to wait until tomorrow but I can already tell there's ACTIVE versus INACTIVE. Let's find a nice balance so no one gets overshadowed due to inactivity or glossed over due to spamming!
Also I am specifically not moving my vote but it is no longer an RVS vote.
Can we get some reads from you Singer?
I agree that Jae's reads were flipping a lot but I don't think it was scum flipping. It looked analytical and in response to posts, not something like, "He made a wall, townread!".In post 142, LaserVP wrote: @alban and Lucca- both of you have the same interesting point about Jae. How Jae's reads were flipping really bad. I have to agree here.
@Cakez- You don't seem to get my biggest concern with you. The problem is that you seem town, but your vote isn't going to let up anytime soon. I'm not afraid of you voting me. I'm seeing a pattern that is going to eventually lead to blind tunnel. By the end of this day, you will be on my ass and no one else's. The progression of your posts makes me fear that you will. I'm just going to say that I led a tunnel that ended up being completely blind by the end of day 1. I ended up being framed by the maf on Day 3, and getting lynched pretty easily. (I also thought it was auto win, but I forgot there was a role blocker). I do think you are town. It would suck to have 2 towns lynched because of your current fate of tunneling the living daylights out of me.
Maybe if you were as analytical as everyone else's posts that you are with mine, I wouldn't even be concerned. The problem is that every post I do is currently dissected by you.
I don't think I'm exclusively tunneling you. I've expressed scumreads on others, I'm analyzing other's posts, and I'm going to vote Alban soon. This feels like a strawman, making yourself to be the victim.
Why? This is so vague.In post 143, Xisiqomelir wrote:I have a mild desire to lynch singer now.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Why is Xi a top mafia read, Robert strong town and why is Lucca mixed? In particular Robert has contributed very very little, so I'm not sure why he'd be a strong townread for you.In post 147, Vox Dei wrote:Wow, those posts are longer than I thought they would be. I'm about halfway through (my computer kept being slow).
Right now, I think that Jae is strong town and Robert is fairly strong town. Cakez and singer are weaker town. I'm getting mixed signals on lucca, and alban and Xisi are my strongest mafia reads. Alban's catching up post in particular felt very surface-level and like it was only appearing to try to catch mafia, rather than actually reading into people's posts.
I originally thought Laser was mafia, but that may be just how he plays, so I may reevaluate that.
I'll give my updated thoughts when I finish reading.
And this basically mirrored things I just wanted to know lolIn post 149, JaeReed wrote:UNVOTE:
I'll get to this later but long story short I can dig an alban wagon and I wanna give the replacement some consideration.
Vox, can you explain the scumread on Xisi for me?
Xis, can you explain the desire for a singer lynch for me?
This is quite vague. I could say these things about a lot of people pretty easily. Can you provide specific examples of these "good questions and logical comments"?In post 154, Vox Dei wrote:As I said, that is one of my weaker reads. She seems to be making an effort to be open and honest about everything she says, which in general makes her motivation more apparent. She's asked good questions and her comments make logical sense, which implies that they're more likely to be real.
This post is really awful.In post 162, alban wrote:You too, Data's replacement? I thought you would show some allegiance to me for having your predecessor's back there
Just so everyone remembers, if Data flipped scum I would be his partner for sure, said Jae repeatedly before Data got replaced (at least someone remembered to ask about that in 158).
But now the replacement suspects me and all is well. "He cleaned up the slot rather nicely" is what Jae says. Some explanation? No. Vote gets transferred from Data to me. Earlier suspicions on Data's slot notwithstanding. Do any of you, who suspected Data before, remember why you did so? You had no clue then, and I am guessing you have no clue now. You are shooting in dark. Along comes 69 and hurraay you found your target.
I can see how this ends. On my eventual lynching, when you learn that I flip town, those of you who are suspecting me will need to justify and will have a justification ready. You will send another barrage of verbose posts implying how I deserved getting lynched for writing an apparently scummy post, but never admitting that your heads were buried so deep in your asses that all you could smell were your own confusions. You are entering a tunnel, townies. Good luck with that!
I have very limited time, so I am not gonna spend it defending my alignment. I am not resigned. I don't care what you think of me. Someone said before, I guess Lucca, that not caring is anti-town. No, it's not. Not caring doesn't mean not caring about the game. I know who I am. You don't. So, you guys figure it out. And hey, if I am so bad, it's better to lynch me and get rid of me, right? So in any case, it's not an anti-town behaviour. It will help you eventually.
In the meanwhile, I will check for inconsistencies in people's behaviour based on their experience
He's basically OMGUSing at Jae here while avoiding several points as to why he's being scumread, among them his bizarre reads on the Tank slot and Robert which have yet to be explained from what I've seen.
Then he says he doesn't care and doesn't want to defend himself.
VOTE: Alban
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This is more scummy posting. Jae, Jae, Jae. Can you talk about anyone else? You are at L-1, there are three other people voting you besides Jae. Why are you avoiding talking about anyone else other then Jae?In post 171, alban wrote:
Can't you see my vote? Or you hear only god's voice?In post 168, Vox Dei wrote:Alban, there's something missing from your posts.
Who do you think is scum?
It's not important but since you find something missing in my posts, I would advise you to read them carefully. You are tunnelling.
For example, you are incorrect in inferring in 152 that my vote is an admission of some sort. It's not. It means that Jae's contribution to the game is useless regardless of their alignment. And if Jae is lynched and turns out to be city (if being the operative word), it wouldn't make that big a difference to the game.
I would also like you to read Jae's posts carefully. For example, read recent posts 149, 151, 153, 155, 160 where he interacts with you. What do you think? Or go back and start reading from wherever you want. Look at the pattern. He has zero reads. Read 87. Vomit worthy. Blah. Jae's style is to question, gather intel, post it as their own in future.
I also want you to think about Jae's reads on your predecessor, and the circumstances under which he was pushing Data. Makes no sense. But did he start that wagon? Was he alone or the first one in suspecting Data? No. There have already been people talking about Data. He just pushed it hard. With me, he was fine to the extent of clearing me (partially) and then asking me for my opinion. I think he thought it will be looked as positive. Didn't work out that way. Jae picked it up immediately. And pushing it with all their might. That's the overall style. Take something that some people have already thought and push it. This is why the statement: the city won't lose much by lynching Jae.
I like this post from Vox, the first real thing I've seen to start developing a townread on that slot. I think scum here would push just that "oh Jae's Data push was bad" without actually looking at the motivations behind it. It's the kind of analytical thinking town makes. I very much like his push on Alban here as well, such as the "reasons not indicative of scum" argument.In post 172, Vox Dei wrote:So you did give a bit of an explanation for your read on Jae, using reasons that are not indicative of scum or are inaccurate (plus, most of them apply to you as well). You interspersed these serious reasons with a sarcastic comment about the pronoun argument (which I don't know why you are still having) and your terrible comment "the town will not lose anything substantial if we lose you", which is wrong because we would lose a chance to lynch mafia if we lynch Jae and they're town. Aside from that, though, I'm interested to hear: what in that statement didn't totally assume Jae was town?
Jae is not at all useless (and the fact that you say "regardless of their alignment" is also bad). To say they have no reads is false.
What do I think? I think they are asking me questions about my reads to try to find my alignment, as opposed to you, who are merely being defensive and restating what people have said and done.
Now I do agree Jae's push on Data was bad, but I don't think it was scum bad. I think they thought that Data was purposely dodging the game when most likely he just forgot about it. More unsettling is you calling Data town when he really didn't do anything to deserve it. Why did you defend Data?
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Ok I can see this as lacking analysis but I wouldn't call it a complete lack of scumhunting.In post 182, lucca261 wrote:Just for an example. The vote on you for missing the unvote didn't come with an analysis, it was just: Hey, he didn't noticed me. The vote on tank even Jae said that was P-O-E, that is not scumhunting.
Why would I request a claim or hammer? There's still time and I want alban to respond to my posts.Xisiqomelir wrote:: No claim demand? No request for hammers?
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This is a pretty underwhelming catchup considering how long Robert has been gone. He responded to all of three posts then put out some reads and called it a day.In post 195, Robert E Me wrote:So what I wanted to note with the Singer posting IC spiel quote was that Singer did say in 20 I believe, that they would be looking up their old IC post so it likely wasn't because you mentioned it, Jae.
Agreed at that point in the game. The lurking was definitely scummy and unhelpful for town. However, I find that Vox has done a nice job so far.In post 88, JaeReed wrote: I want a tank lynch at this stage. He's new and new scum I feel is more likely to lurk because they don't know what to do unless they had an experienced person direct them before the game. I don't think his potential partner would give him advice such as "post as much as possible and i can spin it as town" such as Nacho did with kage in my last game. I do have an idea on a partner if he does flip, but regardless I think the slot has been trying to hide.
Everyone else... Thoughts on that previous paragraph? Especially Robert since your RVS vote is still on him.
I am fine with this comment. Yes, I know there are only 2 scum in the game but there's of course uncertainty about who the scum are so multiple scumreads without teaming them are totally fine.In post 103, Xisiqomelir wrote:@JaeReed, Robert E Me: re: LaserVP - How do you feel about this statement from Laser
in a setup where there are a known quantity of scum (2)?Like I said, I'm not teaming you guys, but I scumread you both.
Why did you not interact (or clear me, like the others) with me yet still manage to put me in your "Never Lynching" pile? As you can tell, others' opinions on me are decidedly more mixed.In post 122, JaeReed wrote:@lucca - what I'm doing is essentially townhunting. I don't expect scum to make major slips, but those I find least townie are those I find most suspicious by process of elimination.
Singer is closest to true null for me. I can't pressure her when she is quite literally not here. I don't know what you'd expect from that other than the game stalling.
tank is on the scummy side because I feel he's quiet and coasting. His first post leaves a lot to be desired too. Basically, he seems to be trying to look like he's in the game while hiding out. I don't see your point with the daytalk. I meant pre-game. Nacho told kage to post as much as possible as he could spin anything he posted into a town motivation if he did so in the pre-game of my first newbie.
I went into the alban thing while you were posting. I will say now since alban has posted that Xisiq, I'm looking at the possibility of alban being tank's partner if tank flips scum. His read on the slot was the most out of place I found so far, with the most reachy explanation. Of course, if tank is town then that's a moot point.
Me boiling it down to tank was not easy in the slightest. I had to clear Cakez, I had to clear you, I had to clear Xisiq. I had to interact with you, Cakez, Xisiq, Laser to try to get a feel.
Never lynching in this: lucca, Cakez, Robert
Not lynching in this today: Xisiq
If he does more scummy things this will be in my lynch-pile otherwise no: Laser
Need more from her: singer
Feels discredity and inconsistent with an out of place read on tank: alban
Feels like coasting, hiding, newbie scum: tank
Now, either stop throwing shade every which way and just vote me, or help me push through this tank lynch.
Xisiq, now that alban has responded, which is what I was waiting for... My potential pairing if tank flips scum is alban for the out of place read, and the Robert scumread & vote since Robert is voting tank. Obviously, if tank doesn't flip scum then I have to re-evaluate everything and form new reads.
Pedit: nevermind you did vote. Funnily enough I think I addressed your question here anyway.
In response to alban's post 126, I am *slightly* convinced by it but I still think that Jae is town.
I had a couple other comments to make on posts but they didn't get on here using multi-quote.
So after catching up, my reads are alban scum, LaserVP nulltown, lucca town, Jae town, Vox nulltown, Xisi nullscum, Cakez nulltown, and singer nulltown. I eagerly await alban's future posts.
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Can you explain your reads more, specifically your nulltown on Laser and nullscum on Xisi?
This is a lot of commentary and very little analysis.In post 197, LaserVP wrote:Usually I like to talk about everything that happened since my last post. But I need to keep it brief tonight due to my schedule. One of those "I'm pretty busy tonight, oh shit I have a literal ton of homework too"
I'm going to just comment on the alban/jae debacle
There seems to be sides at this point.
On the Jae is scum side, you have Alban and Lucca
On the Alban is scum side, you have Jae, Cakez, singer, and Vox
Robert says both are town
Xis completely ignored this
And then you have me. No matter how you look at it, alban is really frustrated right now. That alone cannot make a person town or maf. Yes he is aggressive, but so am I. (singer was affected by unnecessary aggressiveness with me in a simple RVS question, so I'm not surprised she's here).
If I had to pick one to townread, I would pick alban. But like Robert, I dont scumread Jae either. I feel like the best points against the other came from alban and lucca.
Judging from the interactions, I can conclude that Lucca and Alban are not partners. No two maf agree with each other that much. Like I said, not going to detail, but I tr lucca now.
As for possible partner. I dont think its Cake, Jae or Lucca. Im pretty sure its Xis and between the remaining, (singer, vox, robert)...I have no clue tbh. Robert has become null at this point of time.
I will have much more to contribute tomorrow. This was basically here so I don't get replaced.
"These people think Jae is scum, these people think Alban is scum"
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This is another load of theory and no actual scumhunting. Like ok we get it you don't want to defend yourself, but Alban is still doing 0 scumhunting or pushing at all besides on Jae. I have no clue what his reads are besides on Jae right now.In post 202, alban wrote:You all have your pet theories about me. Anything I say seems to fit someone's theory of how I am a scum. It has gone to such a ridiculous level that my usage of the correct pronoun was recently being seen as something that's a deliberate attempt to offend someone. If I reply, it becomes a defensive and frustrated person's reply. If I don't reply, I am apparently intentionally ignoring the question and I am quickly reminded to reply. They should have a new role: the serial offender.
I think the best fitting answer to this witchhunting (coz thats what is going on here..not townhunting, nor scumhunting) will be to get lynched and flip town.
It's not as if I don't have moments of doubts or despair where I look at my skills and tools and try and seek improvement. I also seek social skills to avoid a situation where I keep offending people. But largely, if there's something that I lack or miss, I am not aware of it. I am very content and happy with myself and the way I play this game. There are two kinds of people. Self-pleasers and people-pleasers. I am definitely the former type. I like to think, analyse and then see if my reads have been correct or not. But it seems like people falling in the latter category of people-pleasing do much better. Who seek improvement from others, or who constantly keep adjusting their reads based on what's the strongest opinion of the time. And why not? After all, everyone's a little vain.
Having belief in one's abilities and being satisfied with oneself can result in conflicts. I can't wait for people to give me my due, but just get up and get it myself. And if someone comes in the way of that, or someone keeps telling me to change, it leads to conflict. I don't mind being a fighter. It's my prerogative to be this way and not change my game. If I have my individualistic style of game that's unheard of or has a lot of loopholes, you can have an opinion on that, sure. But to not even be receptive about it or wait to see the results of it, that's being close-minded. If you are allowed to pursue your own game, I should be allowed to pursue mine. The only thing I have been doing since 69 is to reply to comments directed at me as a result of 69 or to comments generated as a result of those replies, rather than use my tools in finding mafia. That's then added to my gamut of lack of capacities; how I don't have a read on anyone else except Jae. How can I? When all I seem to do is running the red queen's race..replying rather than posting. So for my own sake, I am gonna stop replying to your reads, comments and questions from the past. Think of it as a third party alignment, who works best when left to their own devices.
This will be labelled as seeking clearance from your doubts about me. Nope. You are free to do what you want. In fact if you want me to shut up, it's best to reach L and force me to leave, since I am not leaving. I will be very happy to stay coz that means there's some hope (if you do decide to unvote me, don't use it as a currency to remind me that if I don't live upto your expectations, you will re-vote me. It's your decision. Not something that's being forced upon you.) Either way, there will be light at the end of the tunnel.
Vox's catchup felt like it was from town eager to get involved. The way he started immediately engaging with Alban and Jae especially. I don't see scum who just replaced in immediately engaging with the top poster and leading wagon, there's far too much potential for it to go wrong especially with how scummy his slot was before. If you want a Vox lynch you're going to have to explain this more.In post 204, Xisiqomelir wrote:
Discussion is pro-town. I feel a lot better about you.In post 189, SirCakez wrote:
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I'm not in love with the wagon though. I feel you and Jae are powerlynching town. I'm also perturbed about my top scumread and a null/scum composing the rest of it.
Any chance I can interest you in a Vox Dei lynch?
That game was highly entertaining. I always enjoy Mollie's presence.(what's up with people reading Large Themes I was in O.o)
I can see where you're coming from on these reads much better now. The main thing I had against Robert was his lack of content, so I can see how you could have a townread there ignoring that. However, what do you think about Robert's general evasion of the game?In post 206, Vox Dei wrote:Looks like I have a few things to respond to.
Spoiler: Okay this got longer than I thought it would
I was indeed planning to vote Alban during that catchup. The things he said during that catchup are what changed my read on him to scum so strongly. There was probably some weak confirmation bias but note that I had a townread on Alban before, so my read on him wasn't from the perspective of him being scum for the whole duration.So now my own thoughts.
Spoiler: Okay so did this :roll:
The Urgh tell originates from this game where I was scum in MyLo and had to 1v1 with Persivul to try to mislynch him. At one point Persivul attempted to meta me and (incorrectly) said that I only said "urgh" as scum and then quoted me saying urgh earlier in the game and tried to push me with it. It was pretty ridiculous.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I disagree. There's a lot of asking questions and commentary, but little analysis. Like, he's not doing anything with the questions, and there's no reads or legitimate scumhunting there.In post 217, JaeReed wrote: @cakez I see you dislike Robert's catch up. What were your thoughts on my 201?
I understand scumreading a slot for having a scummy predecessor, but what I don't get is the fact your read isn't evolving based on Vox's new content. There comes a point where you have to analyze the new slot too.In post 220, Xisiqomelir wrote:In post 215, SirCakez wrote: Vox's catchup felt like it was from town eager to get involved. The way he started immediately engaging with Alban and Jae especially. I don't see scum who just replaced in immediately engaging with the top poster and leading wagon, there's far too much potential for it to go wrong especially with how scummy his slot was before. If you want a Vox lynch you're going to have to explain this more.
I do want to address this part before I go, though. Replacement behaviour verges on the immaterial if the slot is already scummy. Flaking is generally scummy, and I do not give replacements slack.In post 211, Vox Dei wrote:Xisi, why do you want to lynch me? Is it simply because my predecessor was replaced? As far as I can tell, you have yet to take issue with my play.
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CorrectIn post 229, Robert E Me wrote: It was five posts actually
Sure. Am I right in assuming that those are the reads you find out of place?
Let's see, first Laser. I like his analysis and questioning in 73. Then there is the incident with Jae, which I personally put down mostly to external issues and personality rather than scummy behaviour. It is certainly not out of line of his personality in earlier posts. Otherwise, I find his content solid, though he has been lurky as of late (like a certain someone, cough) (he cites business, but of course that could be untrue blah blah blah) (I just realized that being busy is spelt the same way as business, haha).
Then Xisi.
He really doesn't seem to live up to his own standards. See post 143: "I have a mild desire to lynch singer now." Also the thing about scumreading two people and not teaming them was weird imo. I also object to his strong push on Vox. "Replacement behaviour verges on the immaterial if the slot is already scummy. Flaking is generally scummy, and I do not give replacements slack." "Verging on the immaterial" seems to me an unreasonable level of confidence in the evidence given by the flaking of data leading to the subsequent failure to substantially update beliefs, especially when he then backs off and says that flaking is only "generally scummy".In post 28, Xisiqomelir wrote: I don't want to pip singer, so I will only make a brief point about this. My personal style of scumhunting is to keep an eye out for the (non)production of pro-town content. By "pro-town content" I mean clear, coherent posts explaining who the scum are and encouraging votes on them. This is hard to consistently feign over the course of a game. Good Town will generally create it, and non-Town will generally create other sorts of content, particularly evasions and equivocations.
Is the analysis/questioning in that post the only specific thing you have to townread Laser? The rest of it is pretty vague.
The Xisi read makes more sense though.
Which post from alban are you referring to?In post 233, singersigner wrote:@SirCakes...in 214 did you feel that laser's post was more or less substantial than alban's entry? You said you initially had a town read on alban but voiced disapproval with laser, so what was the difference you saw?
Various players (Tank, Robert earlier on, Singer earlier on, Laser now) were lurking so yes at various points half the players have not been scumhunting enough for me.In post 234, alban wrote:@Cakez,
You comment on lack of analysis/scumhunting from following players.
Robert214, 215, 223
Xi178, 223
Me180, 181, 215
Laser214
Tank133;Vox180 (but you are satisfied with him after that, I gather)
Singer115, 178
So, half the players have been not scumhunting enough/not analytical enough for you.
Now a question for you. How about an analysis of the players or analysis of the game at the current stage by you? There hasn't been a single overarching umbrella kinda post from you. Not just comments on people's posts. But an overall analysis and a kinda sum up of each of the players. That will be cool.
I've done a reads list or two, but I'll put another one down here.
My strong town tier is Jae and Lucca. Jae's level of engagement and pushing feels next to impossible to be from scum. Lucca's analysis/scumhunting has been really strong, for example 121 and 182.
My town leans are Vox and Singer. Vox's slot was pretty gross early on with Tank, but I think he's stepped the slot up. In particular the interactions with Alban felt townie to me. Singer has had consistently quality pushing and questioning after the lurking ended, for example 193.
Xi remains my only null read. Some of his content is questionable, but overall his level of engagement is good. Would like to see an improvement here.
Robert remains nullscum, but he's improving. His catchup was iffy like I said earlier, but if he keeps it up and improves then he might improve.
Alban and Laser are my two main scum reads for reasons I've stated before.
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CorrectIn post 229, Robert E Me wrote: It was five posts actually
Sure. Am I right in assuming that those are the reads you find out of place?
Let's see, first Laser. I like his analysis and questioning in 73. Then there is the incident with Jae, which I personally put down mostly to external issues and personality rather than scummy behaviour. It is certainly not out of line of his personality in earlier posts. Otherwise, I find his content solid, though he has been lurky as of late (like a certain someone, cough) (he cites business, but of course that could be untrue blah blah blah) (I just realized that being busy is spelt the same way as business, haha).
Then Xisi.
He really doesn't seem to live up to his own standards. See post 143: "I have a mild desire to lynch singer now." Also the thing about scumreading two people and not teaming them was weird imo. I also object to his strong push on Vox. "Replacement behaviour verges on the immaterial if the slot is already scummy. Flaking is generally scummy, and I do not give replacements slack." "Verging on the immaterial" seems to me an unreasonable level of confidence in the evidence given by the flaking of data leading to the subsequent failure to substantially update beliefs, especially when he then backs off and says that flaking is only "generally scummy".In post 28, Xisiqomelir wrote: I don't want to pip singer, so I will only make a brief point about this. My personal style of scumhunting is to keep an eye out for the (non)production of pro-town content. By "pro-town content" I mean clear, coherent posts explaining who the scum are and encouraging votes on them. This is hard to consistently feign over the course of a game. Good Town will generally create it, and non-Town will generally create other sorts of content, particularly evasions and equivocations.
Is the analysis/questioning in that post the only specific thing you have to townread Laser? The rest of it is pretty vague.
The Xisi read makes more sense though.
Which post from alban are you referring to?In post 233, singersigner wrote:@SirCakes...in 214 did you feel that laser's post was more or less substantial than alban's entry? You said you initially had a town read on alban but voiced disapproval with laser, so what was the difference you saw?
Various players (Tank, Robert earlier on, Singer earlier on, Laser now) were lurking so yes at various points half the players have not been scumhunting enough for me.In post 234, alban wrote:@Cakez,
You comment on lack of analysis/scumhunting from following players.
Robert214, 215, 223
Xi178, 223
Me180, 181, 215
Laser214
Tank133;Vox180 (but you are satisfied with him after that, I gather)
Singer115, 178
So, half the players have been not scumhunting enough/not analytical enough for you.
Now a question for you. How about an analysis of the players or analysis of the game at the current stage by you? There hasn't been a single overarching umbrella kinda post from you. Not just comments on people's posts. But an overall analysis and a kinda sum up of each of the players. That will be cool.
I've done a reads list or two, but I'll put another one down here.
My strong town tier is Jae and Lucca. Jae's level of engagement and pushing feels next to impossible to be from scum. Lucca's analysis/scumhunting has been really strong, for example 121 and 182.
My town leans are Vox and Singer. Vox's slot was pretty gross early on with Tank, but I think he's stepped the slot up. In particular the interactions with Alban felt townie to me. Singer has had consistently quality pushing and questioning after the lurking ended, for example 193.
Xi remains my only null read. Some of his content is questionable, but overall his level of engagement is good. Would like to see an improvement here.
Robert remains nullscum, but he's improving. His catchup was iffy like I said earlier, but if he keeps it up and improves then he might improve.
Alban and Laser are my two main scum reads for reasons I've stated before.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Awww RC is in a scum slot. Oh well.
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I disagree. Alban's post there looks like it actually has decent content with reads and such, as compared to the post from Laser you're referring to.In post 246, singersigner wrote:@SirCakez...alban's 69 was scrutinized for not having much substance. I noticed you said the same thing about laser yet had a townread on alban earlier...what was the difference?
I don't want to lynch the Vox slot, I think Vox is town and I've discussed this before. Spiffeh there was different, I clearly got a town vibe from him and he was actually scumhunting while being wagoned while Alban is just....sitting there.In post 257, Xisiqomelir wrote: B) Lynch either the scummy Vox Dei slot or the highly questionable singer or robert slots (2nd slot less highly questionable than the first). The moderately questionable LaserVP slot would be my distant 4th.
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@sircakez: To reference Gumball once more, there's an archetypal example of frustrated town provided by the scum-driven Spiffeh wagon on D2 of that game. For me, tonally, this post comes from a very similar place as alban this game. I'd like you to re-read him in isolation and reconsider your vote.
Where is alban town going to lead you D2?
A Robert lynch is ok but not preferable. Singer leans town for me so wouldn't go there unless a decent case was put out on her.
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You haven't done anything AI yet, but Laser was a scumbutt so, given you're in the same slot, you're probably a scumbutt.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In post 284, SirCakez wrote:Laser was a scumbutt so, given you're in the same slot, you're probably a scumbutt.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Ok so now that there's actually content from RC.
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Everything here is extremely vague and easy to say about anything. "I like this", "I dislike this", "You're a scumlord". There's no explanation or reasoning for anything. It feels very directed to attack the pro-town players.
And this continues it.In post 291, RadiantCowbells wrote:Spoiler: Page 3
Very town: {Xisiqomelir}
Towny: {Datanksta, Lucca}
IIOAing but still like, needs content: {Datanksta}
Very slight town: {Alban}
hi oh look an absent mermaid: {SingerSigner}
Scum Lite: {JaeReed}
Scum: {Sircakez}
Still waiting for JaeReed to respond to Sircakez's townread.
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Still town: {Xisiqo}
Towny: {Lucca Magnotta}
Probtown but STOP THE LURK: {Robert E Me, Datanksta}
Townlean: {Alban}
Backup Scumbutt: {SingerSigner}
Wow yall can't scum theatre for crap: {JaeReed, Sircakez}
"Alright you can be town."
"This post is so exaggerated and postured that I can't stop laughing at it."
"This is even more probably town."
"OMG THESE ARE INTERACTIONS ARE SO SVS HOLY ANNIE."
It's just shade throwing and scum read generation. The reads and comments look like they are made up to fit scum objectives. Would definitely lynch RC at this point.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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There's nothing shade-throwy about saying someone is in a scummy slot.In post 294, RadiantCowbells wrote:So he's saying that my reads and comments look like they are made to fit scum objectives and that I'm shade throwing.
Yet the first thing that he did when I replaced in was to shade throw, then I pushed on him so he decided that, and even look at the wording. 'Now that I've produced content.' Does that sound like a person that was actually interested in sorting my alignment or someone who preemptively decided they had to push on me.
Who do his comments actually apply to, me or him?
It's also pretty obvious that I was open to reevluating your slot, given how I said you hadn't done anything AI yet, but your catchup is very scummy so my scumread on your slot shall remain.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I was town in 623?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In 570 I hard defended a buddy and tried to play it off. There's nothing like that here?In post 299, RadiantCowbells wrote:570. I'm sure we both know exactly what I meant, given that I made exactly the same kinds of comments because you were doing exactly the same kinds of things!
This is more scum posting from Alban. Literally waited for someone else to make a push then hopped onto it immediately.In post 300, alban wrote:Bravo, Radiant! Finally someone who can put these idiots on a back foot. I can see a sudden change in Cakez's demeanour, and man, am I glad or what! I am just viciously glad that someone apart from me finds Jae's posts moronic, low on content, and downright scummy.
Note the "new content" part of the second quote. Now RC has actually produced (scummy) content so my scumread there remains.In post 301, Xisiqomelir wrote:Hi RC
Waitaminute what happened toIn post 284, SirCakez wrote:You haven't done anything AI yet, but Laser was a scumbutt so, given you're in the same slot, you're probably a scumbutt.
In post 223, SirCakez wrote: I understand scumreading a slot for having a scummy predecessor, but what I don't get is the fact your read isn't evolving based on Vox's new content. There comes a point where you have to analyze the new slot too.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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No one is listening to your posts because they're all vague and unexplained.
Alban is scum but of course you have him as town for ??? reason.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I guarantee that scum Alban will be lynched today and that you won't be able to save your buddy.
Sorry!Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is hilarious.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Like if you want to force RC vs SirCakez then I'm fine lynching you too. It's really funny that you think you can just spew, "I'm sure this guy is scum!" without anything to actually back it up besides ancient meta and expect everyone to sheep you. This is your scum game.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Ohhhhk how has RC changed your read on the slot now then?In post 315, Robert E Me wrote:
Honestly yeah that's the only specific thing. I like his posts in general but he's not a super strong read of mine.In post 244, SirCakez wrote: Correct
Is the analysis/questioning in that post the only specific thing you have to townread Laser? The rest of it is pretty vague.
The Xisi read makes more sense though.In post 319, RadiantCowbells wrote:
I don't. Last time I was town and Cakez was scum, cakez was in fact scum and I was town.In post 318, Xisiqomelir wrote:
I have a strong feeling this is town/town between you and cakez.In post 314, RadiantCowbells wrote:I absolutely fucking want to force RC vs sircakez because you're a scumfuck, your scumgame is obnoxious, and I feel I can win.
ALL YOU PEOPLE IN THIS GAME, LISTEN UP.
Why do you think that you're a class above FIrebringer/Shos/all the people who thought Cakez was town when I said that he was scum? Not to mention the game where I and FA lynched him / vigged his partner for the final KO.
This is blatantly scum motivated posting. RC is just going, "Trust me I know he's scum just follow me please I'm so sure" etc. He's done this more then once before as scum and I'll grab quotes of it after I finished catching up. No actual evidence to back up his ridiculous scumread on me.In post 327, RadiantCowbells wrote:Alban, vote Cakez with me.
I have a strong feeling that you're wrong. And giving my extremely strong track record of pinning Scum!Sircakez, and his fucking insanely scummy discrediting of me immediately upon replace in, my strong feeling isn't just based on feelings it's based on the hard facts that his play this game is to an incredible extent likely to be scum, and Alban's visceral emotional reactions unlikely to be scum. I've been in this situation before. If scum doesn't get lynched today, I will be nightkilled, my reads will be forgotten and/or ignored, Sircakez and whoever will make it to LyLo, everyone will say something after game about how 'well RC was right again, should have listened!' and then it will not influence how anyone plays with me the next game because who would actually listen to other people right? I am unbelievably confident that Cakez isn't town and my read comes out of many many games and 3 people's (me, FA, Ranger) joint analyses of his scumgame. Why are you so sure that we're TvT, Xisiqo? What has happened in this game that you believe that I would be wrong in attempting to force a 1v1 with someone who even when scum is mostly lynched out of policy and in spite of that I'm this fervent in his scumminess? I don't use the heavy language that I'm using in this paragraph lightly. I'm ridiculously certain that Cakez is scum and I've seen him somehow manage to walk away from the lynch despite even scummier play than this in previous games. Bluntly, I am far more convinced by my scumread on him than your unspecified townread, and also bluntly, you should be too. Cakez does not even remotely deserve a townread for his play this game and you should take a step back from this game and rethink things for having on.In post 318, Xisiqomelir wrote:
I have a strong feeling this is town/town between you and cakez.In post 314, RadiantCowbells wrote:I absolutely fucking want to force RC vs sircakez because you're a scumfuck, your scumgame is obnoxious, and I feel I can win.
ALL YOU PEOPLE IN THIS GAME, LISTEN UP.
There's nothing town motivated about Alban's posting recently.In post 341, RadiantCowbells wrote:Look. All 4 of my scumreads are on the Alban wagon.
Alban's recent posting has been incredibly town motivated.
XIsiqo, Alban: I would strongly prefer to lynch Sircakez but if we can all get on the same wagon together I'm fine with that.
I will let a NL go through before I hammer Alban here.
COntinuing my catching up now.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is a blatant handwave and also false given my experience with you in and out of newbie games.In post 350, RadiantCowbells wrote:
I play the game very differently in newbie queue.In post 347, JaeReed wrote:Can you link me a game of yours where you're town and reach out to one of your scumreads? Don't you normally just clam up and "no you're scum" it?
Who would you consider to be cakez partner if not me? I need more of a case than meta if you want me to vote a townread of mine.
Open 623 and Amazing World of Gumball, also a bit of Open 635In post 352, RadiantCowbells wrote:My scumread on Sircakez is based on Micro 570 and Mini Theme 1790.
I'm not sure where he's getting his scumread on me from.This entire counterwagon on Vox at deadline is awful. It looks clear to me RC is scum with alban and is redirecting the wagon away from his buddy at deadline. RC has given no reason to scumread Vox other then saying "this post knocks him below singer tier" which is ???. And as well, RC was townreading datank and apparently never finished catchup so this scumread is not backed up at all.
Grabbing those meta quotes now.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is from Open 623 (Viva = RC). Titus was town, RC was scum.
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This is from Amazing World of Gumball (granted it was bussing there but it's the same style of ridiculous over the top pushing RC does as scum).
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And what's so indicative of my meta here then? The only thing you've said is "similar to 570 and AC 4" which means basically nothing as I also played like that as town in 1758 and Gumball for example.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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^^^ this is uber town
Do not mislynch Vox, lynch scumbutt Alban!Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I'm also good with a RC lynch FYI but I don't know if that will pull together before deadline.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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If someone hammers Vox they're going in my scum pool. There's no excuse.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Because everything you say is vomiting "this guy is scum" over and over without explanation? Which just makes you obvious scum.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is all true. The only problem I have with it is who you're voting of the 1v1.In post 384, Vox Dei wrote:
I'm absolutely trying to survive. We're going to have to resolve the RC/Cakez dilemma at some point, now seems ideal given the alternative is a terrible compromise lynch. (I don't think anyone denies that I'm only being lynched because nobody can get their first choice lynch through.)In post 382, Xisiqomelir wrote:RC, Vox is clutching at straws to survive here. This is transparent
In post 379, Vox Dei wrote:meh. ^This is actually pretty bad.
VOTE: SirCakez
I think there's pretty clearly one scum in RC/Cakez. I'm okay with treating a townflip as a guilty on RC.
Xisi, how do you think the RC/Cakez argument ought to be resolved and when? Do you think the odds of mislynching one of them goes down if we wait?
Go here for victory!
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
This is flawed though. I wasn't going to just ignore RC while he was pushing all over me. Doing that just would have let him throw shit all over me even more then he has.JaeReed wrote:Spoiler:
I'll listen dw. I'm more voting you as a compromise with RC & my biggest townread lucca since I wasn't willing to vote Cakez, who is now actually looking bad for continuing the 1v1 instead of leaving it to be sorted with night kills/lack of.
I don't fucking know anymore, dude. I'm too sick for this shit so close to deadline.
VOTE: Cakez
RC if you're scum I'm gonna feel really stupid endgame.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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"RC is consistently right on Cakez" assumes RC's town. Weren't you just scumreading RC?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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You were not my primary scumread but you decided to force this 1v1 lynch so so be it.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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RC!scum could easily play off getting me mislynched. Just look at Open 623, he got his Titus lynch and got away with it.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I got lynched and lost in 570 (._. )Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Yes I saw that and I think it's concerning.
This isn't going to get put off until day 2 with how RC is going at it though.
And FYI RC I didn't even push the Fire lynch and was fully expecting to be lynched after I NKed you lol.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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You're not going to be NKed, you're scum.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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How did I not push you upon replacing in? I immediately analyzed your catchup, which was scummy af, and had you as my second lynch target constantly.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I would rather lynch RC then Vox for obvious reasons. The fact RC went back to Vox only after I started getting votes is pretty bad as well. No hammer town!Vox please.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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