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VOTE: KTthecreeper.
Obviously scum, duh.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Obviously can't list with so few participants, but so far:
{Scatterplot, hiplop}
Sharing a tier.
What said tieris, well, you'll just have to wait and see. ;)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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VOTE: talahAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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{hiplop, Antihero}
{Scatterplot, Wisdom}
{Trebuchet MS}
{Mad King Ashnard, PhantomCobalt}
{Ankamius}
{Sakura Hana}
{KTthecreeper}
{talah}AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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No.Mad King Ashnard wrote:explain this.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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That's because you're on the top this time. :PWisdom wrote:I wouldn't place hiplop so high, but I more or less like your reads.
Spoiler: responding to Scatterplot, on my readslistAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Believe it or not, I agree.Trebuchet MS wrote:Now I think Expedience is town.
Wisdom's name is highly appropriate.Wisdom wrote:I have no reason to discredit you. You are town, Plot is town, so stop helping scum by tunneling on town. That's all.
My stance on this shall forever be: it doesn't matter if the player being voted is or isn't around. Scum are scum. We lynch scum. We do that by voting scum. So a player who is scum doesn't get a pass just because they're not posting.Scatterplot wrote:I also think it's silly that we wagoned an Australian who has probably been asleep this whole time to hit the game off. But that's unrelated.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Wisdom, you're wrong about Sakura Hana.Ankamius wrote:VOTE: Sakura Hana
Thisis scum.
It is not scum bussing.
It is just scum. Being opportunistic.
While I need more time to be sure (there is theAntihero wrote:VOTE: phantomcobaltpossibilityof PhantomCobalt being scum), PhantomCobalt looks like the shiny to me.
As in, flashy and distracting, but ultimately not scum.
Sort of like a less-vocal version of Ashnard.
I'd much prefer we focus on talah/Ktthecreeper/Ankamius. Especially given this:Ankamius, on PC wrote:This is disgustingly scummy, too.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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*sigh*Antihero wrote:VOTE: trebuchet ms
This is going to be one ofthosegames.
Where a lot of TvT fighting happens, people keep getting distracted by all the shiny, going after a target for nonsensical reasons, defending a player who is town, getting scumread for defending that town player by another town player misreading said town player as scum, and the vicious cycle will continue while the scum--who everyone has vague scumreads on but won't pursue--won't be successfully wagoned in spite of my best efforts.
And then I'll die.
And continue ranting about the above from the dead topic.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Sure, sure, I won't scumread you for lurking, that's totally fair!Ankamius wrote:FTR activity is literally the worst possible metric anyone can use to try to read me. I have every level of activity you can think of in at least one game as both alignments.
I will, however, scumread you foractivelurking.
You're doing nothing.
Literally, nothing.
You and talah both, and to some extent KTthecreeper too.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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And this would be why hiplop is one of my top townreads.hiplop wrote:Anti/Spiffmarq/plot are all town I think. Talah is still scumAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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...Speaking of which...
{hiplop, Antihero, Wisdom}
{Scatterplot}
{Trebuchet MS, Mad King Ashnard, PhantomCobalt}
{Sakura Hana}
{Ankamius, KTthecreeper, talah}
This is everyone, save Ankamius and KTthecreeper, moving up. Not anyone (except Ankamius and KTthecreeper) moving down.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Part of the problem precisely.hiplop wrote:explain kt? I actually cant remember them even posting
KT's posting's blending in without making an impact.
You? Impact. Me? Impact. Antihero? Impact. Wisdom? Impact. Scatterplot? Impact. Trebuchet? Impact. Mad King Ashnard? Impact. Heck, even PhantomCobalt has had an impact, albeit a negative one. And while Sakura Hana is contestable, to me Sakura has had impact.
Ankamius, KTthecreeper, and talah all have not.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Sorry, my bad, Wisdom.
Expedience is a townread of undefined strength. Maybe he's a stronger townread, maybe he's a weaker townread. For now, stick him in the same tier as the others:
{hiplop, Antihero, Wisdom}
{Scatterplot}
{Trebuchet MS, Mad King Ashnard, PhantomCobalt, Expedience}
{Sakura Hana}
{Ankamius, KTthecreeper, talah}
Until I can more accurately give you something else, you can work with this as where I'm at.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Since you're not scumreading talah, though, and Ankamius is an outlier for you:
VOTE: KTthecreeper.
Would you be willing to follow me on this?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Well, I see both Expedience and PhantomCobalt as about the same levels of town. I could be wrong about one of them, but I wouldn't know which.Wisdom wrote:Which of my three is wrong, Sakura? Phantom?
Ankamius scumclaimed on that page especially with this post, though:Ankamius wrote:What the fuck, is anyone town this game?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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talah wasn't a wagon until my vote.KTthecreeper wrote:Naked vote on the biggest wagon why?
I feel bad for saying this of him after replacing out, but...this is a scum post, too.KTthecreeper wrote:I'm sorry this is truly my fault for trying to juggle so many things at once I just ask you don't treat my slot like this because I've mainly been inactive due to my ear infection I just didn't want to say it because I don't like being treated differently due to things like thatAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Hey, talah's a scumread of mine for good reason!Wisdom wrote:Bleh
That would be your fault, actually. You pushed for the Scatterplot wagon, which replaced it. (Though Antihero and Wisdom have some blame for the brief Sakura Hana/PhantomCobalt wagons that formed, too.)Mad King Ashnard wrote:Why did the Talah wagon break apart, exactly?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I have no doubt it's real.Sakura Hana wrote:If he's scum that invented (or used) an ear infection as a ways to avoid suspicion for his replacement, that's one the lowest of low things akin to strategic use of V/LA.
I also think he's quite possibly truthful about it being an issue which deserves being replaced for.
I just found the WAY he replaced out to be indicative of scum, who don't want to let their slot be lynched even though they aren't going to be in it anymore.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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So...pretty sure talah's 700 is town.
Like...really town.
As a result, I like the KTthecreeper wagonmuchmore than the talah wagon.
Yes.Wisdom wrote:Meanwhile, Ankamius is still obvscum
While I don't know who the third is (it's a townread I'm wrong on), Ankamius and Firebringer are both scum.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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KTthecreeper (5) - Ranger, Wisdom, PhantomCobalt, Scatterplot, Trebuchet MS
Scatterplot (4) - Expedience, Mad King Ashnard, Sakura Hana, KTthecreeper
So from these: I'm going to say the Ktthecreeper/Firebringer wagon is all town. hiplop is obvtown, too.KTthecreeper (5) - Ranger, Wisdom, PhantomCobalt, Scatterplot, Trebuchet MS
talah (5) - hiplop, Mad King Ashnard, Antihero, Sakura Hana, Ankamius
Ankamius is obvscum, as is Ktthecreeper/Firebringer. So with talah as town, that leaves a pool of {Mad King Ashnard, Antihero, Sakura Hana, Expedience} for the third. I'll see if I can look into it for which of them it is. Definitely something to look at.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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If there's scum on the wagon, it goes without saying Expedience is it, though I haven't made up my mind, yet. Hard to tell right now.Expedience wrote:Indeed I do. Talah is flailing under pressure. All of his reads are OMGUS trash and most of his defense has consisted of firing back questions and casting doubt at his accusers. On the other hand, the replacing out makes me think most of the frustration was probably genuine. I don't have problems with 15.
Ktthecreeper's posts on page 22 and 23 looked super fake, like he was trying to appear town but had no idea what he was doing (e.g. 546). I don't think he replaced out strategically. 560 and 569 are scummy. He could be just a VI though so let's hear from Firebringer. Appeal to emotion for me.
VOTE: Firebringer
That's L-1.
Ankamius is actually my strongest scumread right now. I'd want him dead first if given the chance.Wisdom wrote:Though I could do Ank today as well!AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This makes me think Antihero is not the third scum, though holding me back from being sure is that he voted elsewhere instead.Antihero wrote:ok....
so i know there's a couple confounding variables with kt (he's 12 and a newb) but the way he posted and his tone is so... stilted and wooden. usually w/ newbtown i expect there to be some element of indignation or paranoia to go along with his omgus, but he just kind of dryly demands "evidence."
i dont rly know how to explain it but if you have at least an iota of intuition and are keeping up w/ the thread, you know what i'm talking about (which is why i got so annoyed w/ talah playing dumb)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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So...{Ankamius, Firebringer} with one of {Sakura Hana, Expedience, Mad King Ashnard}.
Right now I'd guess Expedience.
Sakura Hana could be scum being random, but I'm not sure.
Mad King Ashnard could be scum being stubborn, though I lean against it.
Thus, Expedience. Who actually looked...surprisingly competent (more than I'm used to from him, sorry no offense meant, buddy), and joined the Firebringer wagon at optimal bussing point.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I'll make a reads list formally after I eat dinner.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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It would not be my first choice. But...yes. I could vote there.Mad King Ashnard wrote:I'm not 100% on whether either KT or Talah were scum, but I'm 100% on thinking that Expedience is scum.
Can I persuade you to follow me?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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VOTE: Expedience.
Reluctantly.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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{hiplop, Antihero, Wisdom}
{Scatterplot, Trebuchet MS}
{Mad King Ashnard, PhantomCobalt, Sakura Hana, OceanWind}
{Expedience}
{Firebringer}
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The Firebringer wagon had stalled. The Expedience wagon was growing. My vote absent, they'd be the same size. So I switched to the wagon growing, Expedience, rather than the wagon stalled and losing support, Firebringer.OceanWind wrote:@Ranger - why are you reluctantly switching over to Expedience when Firebringer was the larger wagon and also a stronger scumread for you?
Of course, if I had my way, the player I'd lynch first would be Ankamius, but I don't trust my ability to gather support there in time.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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What.Scatterplot wrote:Ranger is lurking.
AKA, "both the leading wagons are on my scumbuddies, so I want to dismantle them both".Ankamius wrote:Both of the leading wagons are likely town.
Ankamius is scum, period. If Firebringer is scum, PhantomCobalt is town; I can almost 100% guarantee it. (Almost.) Since I think Firebringer is scum (this isWisdom wrote:Ugh I don't fucking know: {Ankamius, Expedience, Firebringer, PhantomCobalt, OceanWind}nottownplay from Firebringer), by extent, I think PhantomCobalt is town. That leaves Expedience or OceanWind as candidates for the third.
I do think talah's replace-out is town, and while I agree OceanWind's content is more sketchy, I still think Expedience is the best bet right now since nothing he's said has improved my opinion of him.
I attach no alignment to it.Do you think Expedience's 925 comes from scum?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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You are scum encouraging TvT! From the sidelines!Firebringer wrote:Trebuchet is scum pushing Wisdom!
VOTE: Trebuchet MS
VOTE: Firebringer.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Have you tried actuallyTrebuchet wrote:Oh shit Ranger is in this game too
She's probably scum omgisoing mebefore calling me a lurker?
I post once or twice a day.
Period.
Blitz, Large, doesn't matter. That's it. This is consistent across all games.
If you call mycontentlurking, then just lol.
Really wish I could vote Ankamius without it being a vanity wagon, but oh well.
This is me, getting paranoid of your slot, for both youScatterplot wrote:my lynch pool, as of a couple hours ago, don't think it's changed so much since then, in order of how much i want the lynch: phantom, expedience, fire, sakura, ocean, ranger. something like thatandEther who have seen my Blitz play as town listing me as a null/scum candidate when by all rights you two should have a much firmer grasp on me.
Especially given your response to OceanWind indicated you got very productive information from your engagement with me. If it was so productive, why this?
...That said, this is also me, not voting you, because in spite of my concerns I'm not an idiot caving into every single paranoid whim I get, unlike some players who shall remain unnamed. I do want an answer to this, though.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Amazing how a slot can not once, butWisdom wrote:k ocean slot town. Moving ontwiceearn towncred for the way they replace out. (Agreed.)
This on the other hand I cannot agree with.Wisdom quoting Scatterplot on liking Firebringer's posting wrote:SameAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Not similarly enough. You don't get targeted by a role that effectively serves as a cop guilty on you N2, and get lynched as a consequence on D4, from being identical to your towngame.Scatterplot wrote:I thought she played very similarly in Mafiaception as scum to how she plays as town in other games.
Yeah, no kiddin'.Antihero wrote:how anyone is even close to scumreading ranger is baffling to me
I cangetbeing null if people want to be all idiotic and make surface-level comparisons to my scumgame, and/or being null if people want to be cautious by not clearing my for resemblance to my towngame when they have too little experience to judge me off of that for sure.
Butscumread?
Actually read me as SCUM?
I literally do not get more town than I have this game. Especially once we get scumflips on people like Ankamius and Firebringer and it becomes obvious I'm either the largest busser of all time or simply town with good reads.
Excuse me?Scatterplot wrote:With Ranger I felt like I clicked with her earlier and could see where she was coming from I just...needed to see more and haven't seen it. she's just...not transparent.
I've been perfectly transparent. Nothing has changed from earlier. I'm coming from exactly the same place, only with extra information here and there that solidifies most of my opinions.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Technically we should ask for a claim first, but honestly there's no claim Firebringer could make outside "Mafia Goon" that I would believe.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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VOTE: Ankamius.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Not for the reason you said, but yes, the townread on Ankamius is extremely questionable.Wisdom wrote:But ugh, Ether's play today sucks
Sakura's town though.
Or, shocker, actually scum, with us having two scum wagons at the same time!Antihero wrote:expedience was the real scum designated cw
just in case anyone hasn't figured that out yet
No, I'm pretty sure that's a genuine slip-up./whistle
now you "forgot" who firebringer replaced. you're layin' it on thick.
Sakura Hana is town.
Period.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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No, you're just scum.Ankamius wrote:am I really so bad at this game?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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And I don't buy that. Not for one minute.hiplop wrote:it read to me he was sacrificing himself to the potential counterwagon forming on sakura.
Firebringer self-hammered because he was at L-1, as scum, and there were still people talking about productive things. Him being the lynch was a given. Cutting discussion off is reason enough for the self-hammer.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Eh, if it's not Ank and Expedience, sure. I'd start chanting that.Trebuchet MS wrote:scatterplot and ank
scatterplot and ank
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say it with me now
For now, though: Ankamius is painfully obvious scum. Lynch him first.
Leave figuring out Scatterplot for tomorrow.
Because literally nobody other than Scatterplot/Expedience could be the third.
Wisdom is town. Antihero is town. You are town. Sakura Hana is town. Mad King Ashnard is town. Gorkington is town. hiplop is town. PhantomCobalt is town. It can only be Ankamius and one of {Scatterplot, Expedience}. You say Scatterplot, I say possible-but-lean-Expedience.
We can have a perfect game if we lynch Ankamius and the cop cops one of the two names above. I guarantee it.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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The difference is Sakura Hana ishiplop wrote:Ranger I've liked you t he rest of the game but you saying ether's random townread is bad, I have to say this sakura one is no different.painfullyobvious town (especially given obvscum Ankamius has been pushing Sakura Hana as scumthe entire game), whereas Ankamius is painfully obvious scum.
Seriously. iso Sakura Hana and tell me what you see. I see plenty of content, plenty of genuine posting, and a lot of activity. I see such things and think how they're mostly wrong, yes. I do not see them as being scum.
iso Ankamius and tell me what you see. I see virtually no content, and in the sparse times it is there, it's strategically placed to be opportunistic, diverting attention away from Firebringer.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This is scum, explicitly trying to set up a townVtown fight. Worse, chaining mislynches.Expedience wrote:I mean, I'm not saying that I think Sakura looks like town, but Trebuchet just seems so much worse here and I don't think they can both be scum.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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{hiplop, Antihero, Wisdom, PhantomCobalt, Gorkington, Sakura Hana}
{Trebuchet MS, Mad King Ashnard}
{Scatterplot}
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This is literally my list right now. The line between first tier and second tier is largely arbitrary.
Dead serious, guys.
You're tVt fighting. Drop it. Lynch the scum. We can get that perfect game. But only if you help me lynch Ankamius.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Because talah's replace-out was town and OceanWind's replace-out was town and Gorkington has done absolutely nothing to make me think he's scum; quite the opposite.
I suppose strictly speaking maybe that's second-tier town rather than top-tier town. Ididsay the line was fairly arbitrary.
So maybe not that level of town, but still: Gorkington is town. How much I townread him isn't really relevant; I'm still townreading him fairly strongly.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Well screw that.Gorkington wrote:ranger's reads on these last two pages reminds me of her ridiculously overconfident fakereads in Mafiaception.
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I'm town.
I know who the town are.
If you give me some time (I need to catch up first), I will write a detailed description for why every single town player is town, to the best of my ability, and why Ankamius is confscum and Expedience is my choice for third scum over Scatterplot.
So unless the lynch is Ankamius, don't lynch before I do that. (Not even Expedience, or Scatterplot.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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-Almost everyone else is town.Gorkington wrote:ranger, tell me why you think expedience is scum in under three sentences.
-There are multiple hints that Expedience is scum who bussed Firebringer.
hiplop was one of my first strong townreads, and the longest-standing for good reason. You saw him in Mafiaception; this is theGorkington wrote:i might need to metadive hiplop. [which is also code for: someone give me their opinion on this so i can maybe not have to c:]
cant tell if sticky reads is coming from scum opportunism.
need more data beep boop beep beep.exact samehiplop, whose reads and reasoning have been decent albeit not as perfect as they could be. More details will be provided after I get caught up.
As with hiplop, the detailed version will come after I'm caught up, but the simple answer is: this is Wisdom at his most town. He's had fine moments, strongly pushing and condemning players who are scum, but has shown paranoia that was not scum-motivated. For instance, while absent from the Firebringer lynch, his reasoning for doubting Firebringer was genuine and prior to that point, no player had pushed Firebringer harder that him, not even me. If he's going for the bus, why back out at the last minute? He wouldn't, thus, he's town.im gonna arbitrarily take sakura/anti/ranger out of my lynchpool for now.
someone talk at me about wisdom.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This IS the Ranger of D1...only better, more informed.Antihero wrote:can i have the ranger of day 1 back?
It would be on policy alone, though, because I guarantee you, this is PhantomCobalt as town. No matter how much you don't like it. (I for one have no problem with him.)Gorkington wrote:phantomISO confirms that im probably going to advocate lynching them before lylo.
Yo, Phantom. I also was a major catcher of scum D1. Can you trust me and vote Ankamius?PhantomCobalt wrote:I caught D1 scum with my counterwagonAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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And to reemphasize: therewasscum on the Firebringer lynch, butonlyone. (Well...aside from Firebringer.)
The scum name is either Expedience (my guess) or Scatterplot (less likely).
It can ONLY be one of those two. No other name on there is scum, period.
Off the wagon you get Ankamius as literally the only person who could possibly be scum with any realistic chance. The others off the wagon are just...town.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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And this continues to be scum deliberately staying on the sidelines of painfully TvT fighting.Ankamius wrote:Can someone explain the Spiffeh votes to me?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This is seriously also not a town response. "There was an extremely questionable move onto the player I'm voting, which I will note to push later, but I won't stop voting anyway."Expedience wrote:I don't know why RC moved onto Spiffeh but I still feel good about my vote.
It's the same lining up mislynches, just done indirectly: Spiffeh (his vote) flips town, then he goes, "Well, RC's vote on Spiffeh was by far the worst as I noted back here, so RC must be the actual scum then."
Scatterplot's posting is stillbad, yes, but Expedience is notably worse.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Why isAntiherotown? Antihero entered the game carefree and casual: he wasn't afraid of anything. He's been one of the most active posters, and while his thoughts haven't always been correct, I have been able to follow along with them the whole time, understandingexactlywhy he's thought what he has. This, all before the KT/Firebringer push. He was one of the first to call KT scum in 104, and while he talks himself out of it, by 620, he is back to pushing it. One of the strongest posts in his favor is 754, where he nails why KT was scum. He votes the slot in 790 and thennever moves his vote again, continuing the push in 794, 801, 807, 908, 924, 1021, 1041, 1137, 1142, 1159, and 1161. Conclusion: the obvious, he is town.
This took longer than I thought, so I may have to finish later, but I'll be finishing these all tonight guaranteed.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Before I take a break, though:
Wanted to be more explicit, it'sScatterplot wrote:Wisdom's 740 sort of gives me pause on a Wisdom/Ankamius/Firebringer scumteam, even though I can see either one as scum independently pretty easily. Wisdom is still my best bet.thiswhich was bad from Scatterplot in particular.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Alphabetically, so no. He's last.Titus wrote:Can you do Wisdom next Ranger?
Shouldn't matter, though. It's all coming tonight.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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ForGorkington, I'm 95% certain talah's replace-out was a town replace-out. OceanWind's replace-out was also one that looked town, in contrast to KT's which looked like scum. If it helps: in hindsight, this looks a lot like the talah from Blitz 2, where he was town and widely suspected. Many of the points where he was frustrated read as genuine too, like he is town, doesn't know who is town or scum, but still thinks most of the BS headed his way is from town.
OceanWind also indicated Firebringer suspicion in 804. The confidence in Scatterplot being scum and the way he went about presenting it does not match my experience with OceanWind when he was scum (Blitz 2), butdoesfit my experience with him as town (Blitz 14). Maybe that's just me, but it's enough that while he didn't do much to increase towncred, he didn't blow it all, either.
865, while the same lines of Antihero, is still a Firebringer push, too. It becomes a vote in 885, when OceanWind gives up on pushing Scatterplot. This is a particularly town vote, because the Firebringer wagon at the time was:
...Minus me, as I unvoted and switched to the growing Expedience wagon. OceanWindFirebringer (5) - Ranger, PhantomCobalt, Trebuchet MS, Expedience, Antiherotried to get me back onto Firebringer. This vote stayed, and was critical in securing the lynch. It was not a bus vote; it was what reignited the spark in the Firebringer wagon.
Gorkington has done nothing to lose the town credit of his predecessors, thus, remains town. There may not be anythingstronglysaying Gorkington is town from his own posting, but there's absolutely no hint of a scum agenda in what he's saying. He's not acting like scum; he's being active, scumhunting, and generally not afraid to take the spotlight, so the townread holds firm.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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For whyhiplopis town, it's simply because everything he did early-on resonated with me. He was clearly comfortable and confident in himself. While much of what he said I no longer think is true (sakura/Gorkington scumreads) and he sadly hasn't let go of them, he saw the same suspicious signs as Antihero and I did. 522/528 are some of the reasons Ankamius is scum for instance, but he also made hard stances like defending Trebuchet, defending PhantomCobalt, and similar gems. His emotional outburst in 583 did not read as scum, either. There's similar reactions elsewhere, but on the opposite side, I find it hard to see posts like 701 and the following as scum. I don't think hiplop was right about talah being scum. But hiplop's posting is ridiculously sincere, so I'm firm hedid.
I understand the reasons for being paranoid: he never pushed Firebringer, even defended him a little bit, so we have no currently-flipped-scum that will prove hiplop town. (An Ankamius scumlynch would help, though!) However, it would be exactly that: paranoia off of some arbitrary criteria. His D2 posting has continued to be fairly strong, and I simply don't think he posts as he has if scum.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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BTW, quick preview ahead:So, there's some fairly good reasoning why Scatterplot is not my main suspect, some minor evidence on Wisdom and Mad King Ashnard are both town, some decent evidence for why Antihero isn't scum, and some good reasoning for why PhantomCobalt isn't scum.Spoiler: KT quotesAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Preview #2:In short: strong reasons for why Sakura and Trebuchet/Spiffeh are town, with some extras on OceanWind/Gorkington, Wisdom, and Antihero.Spoiler: Firebringer quotesAKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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The reason why I don't thinkMad King Ashnardis scum basically amounts to the way RC treated Firebringer. While consistently treating the slot town, RC was growing increasingly infuriated with them, and when voting Firebringer, there was no attempt at a justification. No, "I was wrong about Firebringer, he's scum". No sudden hop on with no reasoning at all. His reasoning is just about as far away from getting town credit as reasoning can get: "I'm pretty sure Firebringer's flipping town, but I'm going to lynch him anyway". This is not something scum says knowing their scumbuddy is getting lynched. It is, however, exactly in-character with what I've observed of Radiant over multiple town games. He has held similar attitudes in many, many games, such as here with the Wednesday lynch. He has been pursuing his reads strongly and stubbornly, but while I find this can be annoying (I just want him to trust my reads are right and that he's fighting town!), it's perfectly clear he legitimately believes what he is saying.
The willingness to be checked by the cop, and not said out of obligation, also helps. He recognized that with a Firebringer scum flip, a cop investigation on him may be best, and he said this with no prompting; it washisidea. And this is an open setup: no godfathers here. Just goons, so he couldn't be baiting an investigation. An investigation on him, which he was willing to have, would devastate the already-in-bad-position scumteam. Furthermore, his stance that scum bussed Firebringer, when he himself was in optimal bussing position, is something I don't see him advocating as scum.
All-in-all, this is a read which requires some trust in me, I admit, but Mad King Ashnard is almost certainly town.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This post, and this post alone, should be enough to tell you PhantomCobalt is not a Firebringer scumbuddy. It stands alone by itself, aside from pushes on Ankamius and also how KTthecreeper pushed him. PhantomCobalt made an excellent,PhantomCobalt wrote:I think KT is scum.
He has mentioned my town meta 5 times, in d1. Why? You really can't be wrong about meta. You can say "on my home-site Phantom is never this active as town", and that statement can be perfectly valid. I can't change my past games in any way, and he can say shit like that about him. KT is playing it safe so he isn't attacked and shown the spotlight.
And while we're on the topic of avoiding the spotlight, why not add in the fact that KT just joined the now largest wagon?
VOTE: KTexcellentpoint against KT, and continued it in 486 and 563. While he hasn't posted much, I speak from experience: this is how PhantomCobalt usually plays, and the content he is providing is him in top-shape town form.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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You know what, I don't really have the motivation to show whySakura Hanais town. Sakura just is. I suppose I can point you to 775, where a talah/KT/Ankamius scumteam was proposed (not bad), 816, the very town nature of Sakura's replace out...if you don't see it, then I'm sorry. Sakura's just town, so...leave it at that.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Oh.
Forgot this about Firebringer.
talah/OceanWind/Gorkington
Scatterplot
Antihero
Wisdom
Trebuchet MS/Spiffeh
Sakura Hana
Mad King Ashnard
hiplop
Ranger
This is the players Firebringer mentioned in his iso.
Who do you notice as absent?
Ankamius and Expedience are neveroncementioned by Firebringer, yet all other players are.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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