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hi
I was kinda keeping tabs on this game and I knew black was probably towning so I thought I'd just come in, solve, annoy everyone and die like a hero
I'll read in a bit!
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that was my initial impression, as wellIn post 91, JupiterXV wrote: gamers do yall think jake voting purple is scum-motivated or not
my thoughts up to page 4 where this happened is that jupiter is probably towning, given I'm mindmelding with this comment about jake, and that jake the wolfie could be scum for the same reasons jupiter pointed out. I dislike RVS cause I'm kinda tone deaf to joking content in general but I felt like jake was especially not flowing with the rest of the likely townies, and the 'excellent take' followed by a vote on purplemango felt a little awkward and out of place.
I also didn't feel like purplemango was scummy so I just didnt get the wagon being formed there.
I'm pinged by the joke and the subsequent comment about recovering from sickness because it feels to me like jake is very uncomfortable with the scumreads and tried in two different comments here to distract people from it. the joke is that kind of cynical response people give when they're caught red handed, and the 'recovering from being sick' is an out of game topic that shows jake wants to stop this conversation altogether.In post 95, Jake The Wolfie wrote: The Gamers Have Spoken. Jake Is Looking For Excuses To Execute People.
In other news, I am recovering frm being sick
I think you had the right idea on p4 and then whatever happened took you out of it. I find the bouncing around with this jake read more evidence that jupiter is just a townie in this game btw.In post 109, JupiterXV wrote: jake town btw
I wouldIn post 122, Black wrote: I would never vote for someone because they were at work
#eliminatetheworkingclass
I'm just kidding, I'm a communist
#eliminateallbosses
I understand halfasleep's post here and I think I would probably scumread KJQ for that vote if it wasn't just too damn blatant to be an actual scummy thing.In post 139, halfasleep wrote:weird to piggyback off what awesomeming is saying without adding anything yourself. can't tell if partnered or just opportunism.
I'm wanting to townread halfasleep for correctly townreading black as well so I'll give it a weak townie atm.
that's on brand for KJQ, I feel. I do not think she is scum this game either rn but we'll see.In post 140, KayJayQueue wrote:
I’m not piggybacking, I’m just in a bad mood and his posts were getting annoying. I don’t know why town would just spam nonsense that doesn’t move the game forward. I get having a bit of banter and some jokes but I guess I just feel it’s excessive.In post 139, halfasleep wrote:weird to piggyback off what awesomeming is saying without adding anything yourself. can't tell if partnered or just opportunism.
solidified a townread on KJQ for her subsequent posts on page 6.
I'm hitting send cause aint no one got the time for the doom of my catch up
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I'm extremely confident that halfasleep is a townie, especially if I'm right that this is a newer player. pinging right to me and page 7-8 is gloriously towny content.
fireisred seems decently townie, I like that he is not trying to come off as townie and seems to be evaluating the game instead. this comment:
shows a player being lowkey abt things but also working a lot off thread, meaning he is not showing the full extent of his work but he is working.In post 185, fireisredsir wrote: ok zzz i looked at purplemango's past games and i think he actually had less trouble getting into the game as scum than as town
+ this is just a good vote imo
yesIn post 198, fireisredsir wrote: these reads seem fine to me
i think it's probably healthiest for the gamestate to pretend that halfasleep is town for now
I think I wanna cross your name as a townie rn.
no, stop voting townies (I'm still pretty town on you)In post 207, JupiterXV wrote:
SAME BRAINIn post 205, JacksonVirgo wrote: VOTE: halfasleep
I’ll explain more in depth later, I’m working. I know they’re not me but their actions are reminding me of my own tells as a wolf. Elaboration coming soon
VOTE: halfasleep
even though the sound of it is something quite atrociousIn post 223, DragonEater70 wrote: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
I want to flip this.In post 229, JacksonVirgo wrote: Sad. I think Jups logic is wrong but I love the spirit. My thing with halfasleep is that that they post a bunch of reasoning, formatted and everything and when questioned about it further they then use their experience as a sort of buffer. They didn’t seem too worried about it before then. I can expand further but I’m walking as I type and don’t wanna smack into someoneI'll tie your legs
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halfasleep
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awesomeming327
I'll read the rest later
still think jackson/jake is where at least 1 scum is
purple and awesome seem more genuine at any rate.I'll tie your legs
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I have a hunch that you got pocketed by scum between pages 10 and 30 but I'll read later to be sureIn post 783, KayJayQueue wrote: My top scumreads are, in order,: Black-slot(Gimli), then halfasleep, then possibly Jupiter-slot(Thom)
I townread Jackson.
Null on PurpleMango.
Jake, ming are slight town for the moment.
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maybeIn post 251, fireisredsir wrote: i think ming feels towny
I was thinking purple felt townie in that exchange as well, and not so sure on ming. but that last big paragraph you're apparently reacting to felt good.
good to see likeminded folk agreeing on this. kinda cheating the game a little that I know black is a townie and I can sheep her insightsIn post 253, Black wrote:
I wanted to say it feels like TvT but I was worried someone would call me scummy for itIn post 251, fireisredsir wrote: i think ming feels towny
And no folks this isn't scummy. I worry about how people read me when I'm town. Get over it
halfasleep
JacksonVirgo
Jake The Wolfie
KayJayQueue
Purplemango
JupiterXV
fireisredsir
awesomeming327
so that's my solve
@fireisred is there anyone you'd like me to review particularly? I think I wanna skip pages 11-30 as I'm sure it was a lot of emotional posting that's frustrating and annoying to read.I'll tie your legs
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btw who's that 'he' you're referring to?In post 794, KayJayQueue wrote:
If I did, he’s amazing 10/10 I concede to being terrible at this game lolIn post 793, Gimli wrote:
I have a hunch that you got pocketed by scum between pages 10 and 30 but I'll read later to be sureIn post 783, KayJayQueue wrote: My top scumreads are, in order,: Black-slot(Gimli), then halfasleep, then possibly Jupiter-slot(Thom)
I townread Jackson.
Null on PurpleMango.
Jake, ming are slight town for the moment.
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KJQ, if I uncross you from my townie list, will that be too annoying?
I kinda want to cause that 'he' felt a bit like you're TMIing on a partner
so, like, I'd flip both jake and virgo, and if that doesn't end the game I'd flip you but I still pretty much think you're a townie
pedit: I see, its virgo then.
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okayIn post 798, KayJayQueue wrote: I don’t think you should be skipping anything.
I kinda wanna hear what fireisred has to sayI'll tie your legs
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I believe youIn post 802, KayJayQueue wrote: It’s not annoying, do what you need to do. It’s not correct but if your slot is scum I don’t really expect any less and I do strongly read your slot as scum currently.
if I do end up getting flipped today (as it could be the case as I seem to be antagonized strongly by my two scumreads and by you), the one thing I do ask you, considering you'll know for sure I'm on your team (if you're a townie), is that you take both my reads and black's reads as valuable pieces of information going forward, and reevaluate your own leans with this in mind.I'll tie your legs
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I like jake's self vote shenanigans on page 11-12 and I understand the scumread on black
I think mango doesn't look so good by the way they were reacting to it. felt like someone not knowing what to say:
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But whats the point of it??In post 315, JupiterXV wrote: i don't think this is trolling, kay- i think it's just a scum move here
Like "yes come on vote me" so we wouldn't do it and just hope that we will ignore him or something?
jack's page 15 also feels scummy like he doesn't know what to say and doesn't want the spotlight on him. I don't believe this:In post 327, Purplemango wrote:
How will this help him as scum for longer term?In post 320, JupiterXV wrote:
i did talk about this earlierIn post 317, Purplemango wrote:
But whats the point of it??In post 315, JupiterXV wrote: i don't think this is trolling, kay- i think it's just a scum move here
Like "yes come on vote me" so we wouldn't do it and just hope that we will ignore him or something?
ok so are you asking me to explain to you why people use this strategy or why this makes jake scum?
I thought even before they were scum, so my problem is not in that but like
What the thought process for that
In post 355, JacksonVirgo wrote: Jake wagon is sillyIn post 357, JacksonVirgo wrote: I wanted to say something controversial so I get heat on me, I need motivationIn post 358, Black wrote: So you don't think the wagon is silly or...
I think one way or another, what jake did was very AI and it feels unnatural for a townie to be indifferent about it. I also felt like jacksonvirgo was backtracking on defending jake instead of being actually indifferent to it.In post 359, JacksonVirgo wrote: I’m indifferent to it
see when I said KJQ looked pocketed by scum, I didn't really know who it was as I wasn't on this page or anything. she just feels like a townie and also feels like having backwards reads, as all her scumleans are townies and she is townreading my scumpool.In post 367, KayJayQueue wrote:
I see you getting your pocket ready for me, that’s so sweet of you lolIn post 366, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Mhm, I am definitely appealing to you in particularIn post 365, KayJayQueue wrote:
Is this because I used the word silly in our last game to describe what I thought (correctly) was an TvT argument and immediately people jumped down my throat? Because if so, good plan lolIn post 355, JacksonVirgo wrote: Jake wagon is silly
I don't think they're scum partners at any rate fwiw.
my impressions as well, fire. we should fade jackson today, iyam.In post 382, fireisredsir wrote: - nothing he's done really feels like it's motivated by solving the game in a genuine way
- he reminds me a lot of the game i just played where he was scum, particularly in how he is approaching the game, what he's choosing to focus on, and how his reads develop
- this section of reactions feels manufactured and i dont believe that they come from a town mindset. they also feel likely to be partnered
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yup so much this bestieIn post 383, fireisredsir wrote: the spam of thoughts in that specific way and in that specific context i think just comes from scum who wants to make it look like they're having a nuanced thought process but i don't think it would look like that if he had a green pm
yeah jake is a townieIn post 386, Jake The Wolfie wrote: VOTE: JacksonVirgo
Who wants to ride the Jackson train? Now that Fire mentions it, this play reminds me of the last time I played with him.
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this gave me pause.In post 389, halfasleep wrote:
immediate kneejerk to being called partnered?In post 386, Jake The Wolfie wrote: VOTE: JacksonVirgo
Who wants to ride the Jackson train? Now that Fire mentions it, this play reminds me of the last time I played with him.
maybe.
I do think jake's self vote and posts afterwards are coming from a genuine place. I want to explore mango as a potential scum candidate now, cause that was the worst reaction to jake apart from jackson.
jackson/mango anyone?In post 412, fireisredsir wrote: my townlean on purplemango is probably the weakest one
my scumpool as well bestieIn post 423, JupiterXV wrote: wow I came back to thread after forty minutes on public transit and I think I've seen a lot of scum theatre, (JV, Jake, Purple)
half-asleep I will respond to purplemango for the sake of fairness, I have part of that post written and will work on it later
I am scratching jake off of it though, I think that's a townie now.
thats the right idea - but wrong conclusion. black was evidently not the player hiding behind anything, she was taking solid stances throughout jake's self vote.In post 429, KayJayQueue wrote:I think scum is hiding behind this Jake-sized red herring so I’m venturing out to find them.
who I felt like they were hiding and not trying to commit either way were mango and virgo.
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I don't want to read anymore of this
I guess jackson felt kinda townie at times but I still maintain that all his posting previous to 'catching' obv tilted vt jupiter in a 'perspective slip' looked decent
not decent enough for me to stop scumreading him but decent enough that I don't want to fade this today, maybe
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also I'm sorry for ignoring you thomith but I think you're just having a problem with the perspective of someone who's been playing the game for 2 hours, while you're here for a bit longer than that
I gave my thoughts in real time on why I said it could be TMI, I didn't immediately assume she was talking about jackson. I called KJQ pocketed by scum because of her reads in general. I do understand it was obvious to everyone else that I was *supposed* to be talking about jackson, but that was not as obvious to me!
speaking of being pocketed by jackson, I am pinged by page... 31? when KJQ says she is scumreading fireisred (or something) and jackson calls his town to her. it feels like jackson is trying to blend into a towncore by defending townies from other townies as scum.I'll tie your legs
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thanks thats really sweetIn post 835, JacksonVirgo wrote: Gimli, your catchup being long is good. Gives us stuff to work woth, I can’t read it much beyond just a skim at the moment but thank you
WE'RE STILL THUNDERDOMING maybe
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I saw itIn post 840, JacksonVirgo wrote: I said he was town before she said that, did you happen to miss that? Or selectively ignore it?
that's what I'd do as scum, just townread fire and KJQ and align myself with my townreads
your entire play makes sense I just think it comes from scum a lot cause of all the times scum played their cards exactly like you played yours. in many different instances of this gamethread.
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ISO'd mango now
its really not a great ISO is it, a lot of superficial posting, blending in, not doing much
from all I read of this game this is POEd down as the most likely candidate for scum d1
we flip?
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posturing on sailor moon's cat readslist was pretty scummy. you were scumreading things in a way I take as forcing a scumread and not genuine thought process. your reaction to jake was the worst alongside mango, imo. just toe tipping around it, unsure what to do, hiding and backtracking in a way that fits an unsure scum play and not an unsure town play. there's a town version of being unsure that I feel ain't what you're doing.In post 849, JacksonVirgo wrote: Can you TL;DR the read on me
I felt like your push on jupiter was good, but it was on a townie, and if you're a decent scum player (like your in game posture suggests you are) then that's an easy push to make. I liked that you backtracked a bit on how strongly you felt about it, which made me doubt the scumread.
I'll again note you're playing a very positionally minded game and I've seen no solve from you that makes me feel like town evaluating.
there's something to be said about POE as well at this point. there are many other slots are whole lot townier than you are.
of course, wanting to fade black when she was obvtown doesn't help your case much.I'll tie your legs
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I missed some 5-6 pagesIn post 853, KayJayQueue wrote:
How far did you get?In post 831, Gimli wrote: I don't want to read anymore of this
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I wouldn't replace into a scum slot tbh
too much effort and this is my last week of having time to mafia properI'll tie your legs
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black wouldnt post this as scumIn post 681, Black wrote: I don't really think the scumreads on me make a lot of sense, but whatever. This game hasn't been very enjoyable so I wouldn't mind not playing it anymoreI'll tie your legs
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I'm confident enough in some emotional towntells and whatnot, I just played too much mafia igIn post 859, KayJayQueue wrote:
Unless you have outside information this comment doesn’t make sense. You don’t know the slot you’re repping into. You can think you know but you can’t be certain.In post 857, Gimli wrote: I wouldn't replace into a scum slot tbhI'll tie your legs
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I get it, I don't think it was weird eitherIn post 861, Thomith wrote:
I'm not saying you were "supposed" to be talking about Jackson so sorry if it seemed like I was putting those words in your mouth, I was just explaining why I don't think it's weird for Kay to be assuming you're talking about Jackson, since she just said he was her main town read.In post 839, Gimli wrote: also I'm sorry for ignoring you thomith but I think you're just having a problem with the perspective of someone who's been playing the game for 2 hours, while you're here for a bit longer than that
I gave my thoughts in real time on why I said it could be TMI, I didn't immediately assume she was talking about jackson. I called KJQ pocketed by scum because of her reads in general. I do understand it was obvious to everyone else that I was *supposed* to be talking about jackson, but that was not as obvious to me!
speaking of being pocketed by jackson, I am pinged by page... 31? when KJQ says she is scumreading fireisred (or something) and jackson calls his town to her. it feels like jackson is trying to blend into a towncore by defending townies from other townies as scum.
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like I wouldnt rep into jupiter cause who knows, right?In post 865, halfasleep wrote:In post 857, Gimli wrote: I wouldn't replace into a scum slot tbh
too much effort and this is my last week of having time to mafia propermmf. this is a weird comment to make and assumption to make if true? based on individual player meta?
probably no AI but it is odd.
but the way black played, from the little I read as I was keeping tabs on the game, I was confident she was a townie
I happened to be right so props to me
and yeah I guess I could've given a scum role and I'd be sitting here powering through it
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no. I'm not sure I even remember these posts anymore, sorry. I know I just replaced in but goldfish memory.In post 867, halfasleep wrote: gimli did my exchanges with kay after scumreading her affect your read on either of us?
I find, for instance, that you won't immediately accept my townread on you to be great evidence that you're a townie. I liked your approach early on, your reads list, your reaction to pressure on you etc. you're my strongest townread maybe alongside fireisred.I'll tie your legs
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how did I do that, btw?In post 871, KayJayQueue wrote: You’re not making me feel any different about my scumread on the Black-slot. I was open to having just been overly convinced in my own reads so I was willing to entertain your perspective on the slot. But you’ve really just solidified my read.I'll tie your legs
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I like what you're cooking here, halfasleep. I could sheep you onto KJQ without any confidence on it flipping scum as you're my top TR. with KJQ I think the most troubling thing is the lack of townpings, for someone that wrote as much as she did. I haven't pinged her as scum other than that comment to me saying her own game is bad, and then being unmoved whatsoever by my posting here feels a bit stale. those aren't great reasons - but I also think that self preserving and pushing preferred lims isn't necessarily scummy - but I think this + POE could make KJQ a >rand scum slot.In post 876, halfasleep wrote:
can i request that you read our isos starting from 591 and 604, respectively? the way kay responded to me here is what solidified my opinion that she mainly engages with the game from the perspective of either pushing her preferred lim (more focused on thomith's slot earlier but now firmly switched to yours) or to defend against any perceived attacks. i firmly think her priority is on not being eliminated rather than reading and thinking about the game.In post 870, Gimli wrote:
no. I'm not sure I even remember these posts anymore, sorry. I know I just replaced in but goldfish memory.In post 867, halfasleep wrote: gimli did my exchanges with kay after scumreading her affect your read on either of us?
I find, for instance, that you won't immediately accept my townread on you to be great evidence that you're a townie. I liked your approach early on, your reads list, your reaction to pressure on you etc. you're my strongest townread maybe alongside fireisred.
if jacksonvirgo is a townie then I think it could as well be KJQ/mango. I do prefer flipping mango atm.I'll tie your legs
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I mean, I might even vote you at EOD.In post 884, KayJayQueue wrote:
Too much of your posts where based in “Black was obviously town” “Black wouldn’t that” “I knew she was town, I was right”In post 882, Gimli wrote:
how did I do that, btw?In post 871, KayJayQueue wrote: You’re not making me feel any different about my scumread on the Black-slot. I was open to having just been overly convinced in my own reads so I was willing to entertain your perspective on the slot. But you’ve really just solidified my read.
I just felt like I wanted more from your reads. The only thing I can say I like is that you can tell that I’m town where black couldn’t. But I’m wondering if that’s just trying to appease the loudest person against your slot or not. It’s hard to know.
I don't think too much of my posts were 'black was obviously town'. I wrote extensively on every single slot in the game, I feel. I wrote about black the least.
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I'm starting to see you being scum in this game, kay.In post 887, KayJayQueue wrote: Okay - question to those wanting to vote me: when I flip town, what will that mean to you? Would you listen to my reads then? Would you ignore everything I’ve said? What direction will you be going in once you see you’re wrong about me being scum? Because at the moment I don’t have confidence that the game isn’t being run by and steered in the wrong direction by scum. I do think scum is being more vocal in this game and therefore I don’t think it’s purple, ming or fire right now.
this post isn't pointing at anyone in particular and yet is throwing some random paranoia on big posters being scum that I'm not sure I buy it. your top scumreads are two replace out slots and halfasleep. I'm almost 100% on it being 0/3 scum, even though I don't really know jupiter enough to know if he has such a large range to play like he did as scum. I like thomith in this game. either way those don't seem to be The Big Posters, you know? jake and virgo have posted more and those are townreads you have.
also, who is willing to flip you this game? I'm not sure but other than halfasleep I don't think I've seen you being thrown around as a scumread that much? it feels like you have a warped view of the game that I'm unsure comes from town.I'll tie your legs
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this is also a post that may denounce partnership with mango particularly, as that's the lowest poster in the game. I also find it telling that you gave three options for 'probably not scum' because not big posters, and none of these posters is mango. feels like maybe you're truthtelling a bit - yes there are plenty lowposters who are townies, particularly those three - but what is revealed is what you kept hidden - the one lowposter not in your list, because that's your scum partner.In post 889, Gimli wrote:
I'm starting to see you being scum in this game, kay.In post 887, KayJayQueue wrote: Okay - question to those wanting to vote me: when I flip town, what will that mean to you? Would you listen to my reads then? Would you ignore everything I’ve said? What direction will you be going in once you see you’re wrong about me being scum? Because at the moment I don’t have confidence that the game isn’t being run by and steered in the wrong direction by scum. I do think scum is being more vocal in this game and therefore I don’t think it’s purple, ming or fire right now.
this post isn't pointing at anyone in particular and yet is throwing some random paranoia on big posters being scum that I'm not sure I buy it. your top scumreads are two replace out slots and halfasleep. I'm almost 100% on it being 0/3 scum, even though I don't really know jupiter enough to know if he has such a large range to play like he did as scum. I like thomith in this game. either way those don't seem to be The Big Posters, you know? jake and virgo have posted more and those are townreads you have.
also, who is willing to flip you this game? I'm not sure but other than halfasleep I don't think I've seen you being thrown around as a scumread that much? it feels like you have a warped view of the game that I'm unsure comes from town.
this is just a narrative I'm throwing but it could as well be the case and I don't think it's too farfetched.I'll tie your legs
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I would like everyone to comment on mango. is anyone townreading it? is anyone not putting it in a scum POE?I'll tie your legs
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ah, shit lol
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now you're giving a different opinion on why my slot is scum. that was not why you thought that as I haven't done that yet.In post 898, KayJayQueue wrote:
It feels like you’re beginning to shift your views into what halfasleep has been saying. This is why I think your slot is probably scum. When you were catching up, you were town reading me, now that you realize I’m not going to back off my read on you, you are moving to a different person to back who you have said is your strongest town read and are now using her views to push back against me.In post 889, Gimli wrote:
I'm starting to see you being scum in this game, kay.In post 887, KayJayQueue wrote: Okay - question to those wanting to vote me: when I flip town, what will that mean to you? Would you listen to my reads then? Would you ignore everything I’ve said? What direction will you be going in once you see you’re wrong about me being scum? Because at the moment I don’t have confidence that the game isn’t being run by and steered in the wrong direction by scum. I do think scum is being more vocal in this game and therefore I don’t think it’s purple, ming or fire right now.
this post isn't pointing at anyone in particular and yet is throwing some random paranoia on big posters being scum that I'm not sure I buy it. your top scumreads are two replace out slots and halfasleep. I'm almost 100% on it being 0/3 scum, even though I don't really know jupiter enough to know if he has such a large range to play like he did as scum. I like thomith in this game. either way those don't seem to be The Big Posters, you know? jake and virgo have posted more and those are townreads you have.
also, who is willing to flip you this game? I'm not sure but other than halfasleep I don't think I've seen you being thrown around as a scumread that much? it feels like you have a warped view of the game that I'm unsure comes from town.
halfasleep asked me to read her case on you and your reply with attention. I suggested it could be the case, maintaining that the case itself isn't that strong and the things halfasleep pointed at don't suggest strongly that you are scum. then you posted several things I kind of dislike in this page.
you have to understand how my reads are shifting here in real time, how strongly or weakly my townreads are. you were a townread, but not strongly so, and you knowit can't be just mango. I think I have jake as more towny than you after the self vote gambit shenanigans, and that was my strongest scumread alongside virgo. I have interacted with virgo in real time and didn't quite felt like he was scum, even though I dislike much of what he did in this game. so you know it's more POE and sheeping my townread than the other things, but I CAN SEE you being scum in this game.
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I don't think I gain anything by expanding on that conversationIn post 904, JacksonVirgo wrote: Gimli you gonna respond back to me? Or did you feel like not commenting further?
I don't know if you were cagey with your reads because you're a townie being cagey with your reads. so IDK what to do with what you said to me. I didn't feel good about your reactions to jake's self vote, and I think both me and fireisred noticed similar things wrt that. it felt performative in a way I see myself doing as scum, pretending to be reacting organically in real time to stuff. I felt that spam of posts after jake's gambit really pingy as a scum performance.I'll tie your legs
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I would if I had TMI that she was townIn post 909, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Literally how does anyone not see this as town?In post 905, KayJayQueue wrote: So what I’m getting here is:
-comment on no one except my scumread - I’m scum
-comment on other slots - no not like that, scum
-give a reads list, doesn’t matter - I’m scum
If anyone is wondering why I’ve been defending myself it’s because nothing I say or do is met with anything but negativity in terms of my place in the game. When exactly is a good time to stop defending myself? When I give up? Is that the trajectory here, I’m meant to get so exhausted with defending myself that I just give up? I’m not going to. So I’ll continue to defend myself because at least one person doing this isn’t doing it to help town.I'll tie your legs
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I'm back to thinking its virgo +1 and kay is being pocketed lol
that post of hers just doesn't vibe as a towny one to me? and yet virgo is like 'how does ANYONE not see this is towny' and I'm like... really? that's townie? idk, I don't think it's that townie, but maybe for a scum player that knows her alignment is town this looks towny af.I'll tie your legs
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I'm already voting the mango
more mango votes, lets ugh squeeze that fruitI'll tie your legs
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tone down a notch please and thank youIn post 923, JacksonVirgo wrote:
You’re incredibly off base. Your arguments are so filled with faulty logic it’s actually insane. You saying I’m scummy because “black is town and ur pushing her owo”, and just straight assuming my read here can only come about from TMIIn post 917, Gimli wrote: I'm back to thinking its virgo +1 and kay is being pocketed lol
that post of hers just doesn't vibe as a towny one to me? and yet virgo is like 'how does ANYONE not see this is towny' and I'm like... really? that's townie? idk, I don't think it's that townie, but maybe for a scum player that knows her alignment is town this looks towny af.
Get your head out of your ass.
I gave a lot of reasons why I think you could be scum and you're simplifying that as 'black is town and you're pushing her'.
I don't see what you're seeing about that kay post. it seems like a kind of 'woe is me' post that could come from either alignment. again, if I'm scum and she is a townie and she is doing this, maybe it'd feel as a very townie thing, cause you get to read into people's emotions better when you know their alignments. which is why I feel like it could be TMI.I'll tie your legs
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so true bestieIn post 945, fireisredsir wrote:
it feels like my read on kay flips with every post she makes so i would say yes things have happened and no my thoughts are not straightenedIn post 939, Thomith wrote:
Gotcha, missed that post - let me take a look.In post 936, fireisredsir wrote:
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I couldn't see anything in your ISO, but did you ever explain what "alignment indicative" things Kay has done?In post 227, fireisredsir wrote: i think kay has done alignment indicative things
it wasn't a very strong thought it was mostly a response to jupiter saying that he thought kay hadn't done anything AI yet
Has anything happened since that may have strengthened these thoughts?
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I've cleared KJQ given her posting about thomith in this page
I do think it's jackson/mango
I understand I should probably revisit ming but I feel fine about all the other slots.
I agree with KJQ about thomith, but I'd also add that the guy who self voted and hardclaimed VT with like one vote on him after hypocritically pushing someone else for self voting is probably a townie almost every single time.
I've been agreeing with a lot of fireisred in this game, including having the same solves while reading the game from start to finish in several key points of the game.
I feel better about KJQ, I think she is a player I have a hard time grasping cause of both being too new to mafia but too smart to take for granted, and some of her passionate defensive posting can come across as scummy, but I think I'm fine with her atp. all in all her evaluation of thomith makes sense when she is a townie.
jake's posting felt good since the gambit and I'm fine writing him off as a townie as well.
halfasleep is still my strongest TR. nuanced and engaged in the game, seems to be evaluating players and not just faking that she is doing that. I like the way she cased KJQ, even though the case itself was maybe not strong, but it feels like a towny effort. also the way she asks questions to everyone feel like a player evaluating on everyone and trying to solve.
so I'm left with virgo who just doesn't feel very town at all and, by the way he postures himself, can definitely post very hard as scum (and probably depends on it), and mango is the POE safe place that will likely flip scum here imo.
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ming feels like a towny evaluating the game and not giving a crap about how he looks. there are a great many number of townpings in his ISO. it has nothing to do with mango's ISO, that is a lot more bland and filler looking posts with no organic reactions to anything.
I understand thomith thinking I'm scum with ming because I'm pushing the other lurker guy but it's a very different ISO, like fireisred said.I'll tie your legs
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meh I ISO'd mango now and the guy seems a little pure as well
I understand its probably like a kid or something
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I'll get astigmatism from squinting too hard at mango's ISO trying to sense anything AI
@mango can you please do more in the game when you get the chance?
in other news, squinting too hard did make me feel like mango might be a townie. I think the most AI stuff about mango is his progression on jake, and it's kind of a weird one. but I do think the progression is a townie one where mango shows he is evaluating the slot while extremely confused about jake's actions in game.
sit tight, grab your favorite beverage and let's walk through this together
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this seems lacking in critical thought, when the players have wiildly different styles. I don't have a feeling that KJQ is evaluating either slot properly here, while agreeing that they might be both townies (which doesnt change anything fmpov).In post 977, KayJayQueue wrote:
I really think the explanation for that is that ming had a friend and purple didn’t. Many of Ming’s posts and responses seemed directed to or bouncing off Jupiter. He may have come off more invested in the game but I do believe familiarity with another player helped that along.In post 974, Thomith wrote: Since two people are saying the Purple/ming ISO's are different, I'll look again tomorrow when I'm less tired, because I'm not seeing it, but could just be missing something.I'll tie your legs
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I also don't like this from thomith, comparing wildly different ISOs and playstyles and calling them similar like that. the only thing they have in common is that they didn't post much.I'll tie your legs
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btwIn post 983, fireisredsir wrote: im not sure how sold i am on the case but at least im pretty sure this is town!gimli
do you think virgo/KJQ is ever a thing? I think defending your partner strongly is a decent approach to micros, but unsure how much of their interactions feel svsI'll tie your legs
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can you explain your mango read to me, or show me posts where you elaborated on him?In post 985, KayJayQueue wrote: Lacking critical thought? Pretty sure I was looking at it more critically than anyone else originally. There’s a reason I wasn’t in on the purple push yet I’m not thinking about things critically…I don’t see it. I don’t think I said anything to the contrary about them having different play styles.I'll tie your legs
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looks goodIn post 987, KayJayQueue wrote:
922, 931, 954, 967, 977In post 986, Gimli wrote:
can you explain your mango read to me, or show me posts where you elaborated on him?In post 985, KayJayQueue wrote: Lacking critical thought? Pretty sure I was looking at it more critically than anyone else originally. There’s a reason I wasn’t in on the purple push yet I’m not thinking about things critically…I don’t see it. I don’t think I said anything to the contrary about them having different play styles.
If you’re asking if I elaborated on anything specific from his ISO, I didn’t feel the need to but that doesn’t mean my thoughts on him were surface level. It mostly comes from empathy of another new player since many times that’s overlooked or wrongly maligned.
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how confident are you on town!jupiter?In post 983, fireisredsir wrote: im not sure how sold i am on the case but at least im pretty sure this is town!gimliI'll tie your legs
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I am looking forward for your thoughts on themIn post 1002, Thomith wrote:
Which is why when I was told by two separate people I was wrong I decided its best to reread through them today from a fresh perspective.In post 982, Gimli wrote: I also don't like this from thomith, comparing wildly different ISOs and playstyles and calling them similar like that. the only thing they have in common is that they didn't post much.
There's a chance I was wrong when I did a quick read through yesterday, but I'll look in more depth today.I'll tie your legs
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I seeIn post 994, fireisredsir wrote:
not 100% by any means but i think he was pretty townyIn post 991, Gimli wrote:
how confident are you on town!jupiter?In post 983, fireisredsir wrote: im not sure how sold i am on the case but at least im pretty sure this is town!gimli
i don't reallllly want to go into analysis of the emotional aspect, i think a lot of that was independent of alignment and came from other factors and i could clearly see beforehand that the dominoes were lining up for that to happen (maybe i should have been more forceful about trying to direct things elsewhere idk), but there's some elements of it that i think are more likely to be town
the rest of the play also mostly feels like it's coming from a town mindset to me
im not gonna like clear the slot for the rest of the game but im not interested in looking there today
I think I wanna clear the slot at least as far as d1 goes, especially on the vt claim, as that's shortsighted if he is mafia for obvious reasons
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I'm not sure if you misinterpreted what fireisred is saying hereIn post 988, Purplemango wrote:
i don't really think thats count/helping the claimIn post 970, fireisredsir wrote: and as i said a while ago i think they felt a little more lost/disconnected in their town game than in their scumgame so i don't think it's a scumtell
Those games were very different situation, and also the knowing people thing
are you taking issue with fireisred saying you're more likely to be a townie?
is the 'knowing people thing' making a real difference to how you're approaching this game, making you post less and feel disconnected, in relation to your town games?I'll tie your legs
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full disclosure this is how my reads are looking like
halfasleep
JacksonVirgo
Jake The Wolfie
KayJayQueue
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its very skill issue and I'm very annoyed
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kay, would you say you play a more diplomatic style as scum?
do you have finished scum games that I can check?I'll tie your legs
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