Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
1) Do you prefer playing as town, scum or third party? Third party.
2) How many games have you played so far on this site? 1 completed game.
3) How do you feel about lurking, active lurking, and lying? Assume you don’t know the reason for any of these. lurking is annoying, active lurking is scummy, and I am fond of "lynch all liars".
4) What role do you like to or want to play as the most? VT, takes the most skill, and provides the best challenge.
5) Coke or Pepsi? Water
6) DC Comics or Marvel? Marvel I guess.
VOTE: Kassadin yup.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
if we're PLing anyone it's Kassadin for his 'no talk' meta.
And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
Agree with point 3, but still not lynch worthy.In post 21, LlamaFluff wrote:In post 17, Venmar wrote:Your justification for a wagon on me is because i made two non mafia related questions? I honestly did make those at random. I find your argument invalid for a wagon.
Well lets break it down
3) Only benifits scum since they know how everyone responds to lurkers/etcAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
back to Tracker>Vigilante in this set-up; you can also conf scum when person they visit turns up dead, and conf town on the two pwr roles when people don't end up dead.
P-Edit: b/c I didn't think about it.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
Vigilante is too much of a liability in this set-up.In post 43, andrew94 wrote:I agree with llama's logic of tracker> vig, however you are missing one important point.
The whole point of the vig is to take matters into your own hands.
Explain.In post 43, andrew94 wrote:BK is rolefishing
Bk is backtracking
@ Llama HOw did he approach the tracker/vig thing from town POV. I see that post as rolefishing. You however, are approaching it from a town POV.
hypo-hide? so we would all hypothetically claim who will hide behind? thus if the hider turns up dead, we check back and see who he hid behind, thus finding scum(or vigilante if vig/tracker picks that). right?In post 46, LlamaFluff wrote:In post 44, Venmar wrote:Why do you hate RQS so much when clearly me starting it has already sparked a discussion? If this was RVS than we would still be speculating off of votes that most were made in a humorous manner, and therefor most are actually useless to use until someone makes a stupid mistake, and thus a possible slip.
RQS sparks theory discussions which are a side point in most open games where they should end at things such as "tracker is best" and maybe get into "hider claim + track follow" although thats not as big and im still mulling that one vs hypo-hide over.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
It's not pointless. People are selfish and Vig is for selfish people. Vig gives more individual power, but will screw up the other two power roles, and the rest of town by relation. 1 person saying so isn't guaranteed to be enough.
Btw Thomith, here we go again. Funny thing is I didn't propose PL on Kass. I just voted him cus I mean it.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
Case? I voted him before he even posted. I hate Kassadin's "playstyle", it's that simple. He posts 1-3 sentences, maybe once a day, and they don't carry much weight. The worst part is like a troll because he does it on purpose. Now that I think of it, that is more of a policy vote than a rvs, but I'm not going to spam the thread with "Kassadin is a troll PL him". I do love where my vote is right now though.In post 82, TeChNoWC wrote:BK, please explain your case on Kass. From what I know of you, you never vote without a case.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
Why do you see my post as trying to figure out whether it's the detective or psychologist, and who it is? I amIn post 100, andrew94 wrote:In post 15, BK201 wrote:also, as the vig you may confuse our detective/psychologist. Tracker is a great role anyways.
This one You talk about 2 different roles.
Using your logic, lets see the probilities
assuming townie lynch day 1-
12 ppl left
- detective 1/12 chance of checking scum who killed, 1/12 chance of checking vig that killed
-phychologist 2/12 chance of checking scum who didnt kill, 0 % chance of checking vig that didnt kill (vig will kill right..)
So there, i see your post as trying to figure out whether its the detective or phychologist, and who it is.hopefullyencouraging the vig/tracker to pick tracker. How is it anything like what you said?
I've already explained, and you should comment on my reason instead of asking this question as if I havn't addressed it.In post 100, andrew94 wrote:In post 15, BK201 wrote:
kassadin has one dimensional logic, but i think it does make sense. WHy keep reinforcing?
TEchnowc's analysis is great to me.
Bk continues to argue, seems like hes scum that doesnt wanna let go otherwise he looks scummy
Question for you, what do you think would be better for town to have in this set-up, tracker or vig?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
no.
And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
I have 387 where you voted kass as scum, but that doesn't count because that's yourself. Then there's 397. There wasn't scum on Kass all game besides RachMarie eventually. Scum wants to keep Kassadin alive as long as possible. Players that lurk are great for scum because they allow scum to lurk too. When has your scum try to lynch Kassadin theory worked?In post 136, Thomith wrote: also i guess in a way i am defending kass, however it has reason that has worked before, which is why i am using it again.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
After re-reading the game, he has been kind of inconsistent, mostly with his view on Kass, and his discussion with Venmar. What worries me is both trolls(rasb, kass) voted him back to back. Oh and I could see a Thomith+Andrew team if ones ends up being scum.In post 153, LlamaFluff wrote:@Techno - What is your read on Bw?
@BK - What is your read on Thomith?
I think we should have the Hider claim, and have the Tracker/Vig choose Tracker. Hider claim + Tracker follow is awesome. (props to LF for thinking of this)And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
Bw is at L-2.
I want opinions on the Hider claiming + Tracker following him before we risk the day ending.
One person should unvote Bw temporarily b/c troll-rasberry will hammer him if you put him(rasberry did this in 397 to me day 1, and we ended up losing(town)) at L-1.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
In post 213, BK201 wrote:In case it's not obvious, if thetrackerhiderdies, the tracker would then reveal who (all) the hider visited.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
You're still going on about that? How about you commit to it, break down who was on the wagon, and tell us who is likely scum. Just sound like lazy scum otherwise.In post 252, Thomith wrote:rasp being on the wagon does give me a few doubts, but i still feel iffy on the kass thing and still think at least one person that jumped on him is likely scum.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
VOTE: Thomith
DCL wrote
"post 73, Thomith Another post from Thomith that I do not like, don't like how he is tying kass's alignment to a llama/bk flip. In his owns words Thomith said that scum will jump on kass regardless of whether kass is town or scum because of how kass plays. So if the previous thomith statement is to be believed, then the alignment of kass' accusers should not affect a read on kass..."
post 76, Thomith Previously thomith has said that kass acts the same regardless of alignment and that scum generally jump on kass regardless of kass' alignment. So why now is kass' alignment being tide to her attackers? It is like thomith has completely forgotten his meta defense of kass.
post 111, Thomith I haven't see venmar say that he think kass is town, all venmar is doing is arguing against a quicklynch based on meta. Thomith again appears to be stretching the facts to find someone to be scummy. What is funny is that venmar has done legit scummy things but thomith isn't talking about those.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
Picking Vig is a bad idea. Stop encouraging it! I'm the hider, I'm kind of like a cop. The tracker can claim who I investigated if I die (b/c the person I investigate the night I die is scum) and at the same time clear the people I visited and lived (b/c I am not sure it's the best idea to automatically reveal them each day for a couple reasons)
Vig on the other hand can very well kill the player I visit, killing me in the process. Also if I target the vig(since I won't know who the vig is) I die.
Tracker>>>>>>Vig
suggesting otherwise is very anti-town at this point.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
I have no idea why Thomith thought I was the most townie of the players who voted kass, while missing my claim and a few other people mentioning it. He was also spared for claiming VT, which may have some merit to it, but not for Thomith in this game.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ThomithAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
answer this now, please. you owe it to all of us townies if you are indeed town as you have literally done nothing thus far.In post 403, Thomith wrote:In post 402, Kassadin wrote:everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1
grats shirlock, now who's scum and why?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
do you think venmar is scum? why or why not?In post 426, BwBurke wrote:In post 424, Venmar wrote:You guys are free to lynch me, i am getting frustrated with playing with Andrew to be fully honest.
I'm still at L-1, so anyone who hammers is likely to be scum here. Keep that in mind.
VOTE: VenmarAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
In post 436, LlamaFluff wrote:
remember tracker follows hider. That way a dead hider gives us confirmed scum.Also an investigator with a guilty outwieghs tracker in forms of a guilty.
First claim is a guilty from the psych if one exists if the hider is dead. If one exists we just hypo the result of each of us tracking the hider, lynch guilty and tracker gets a free crack at the game to catch scum, and if they die we have thier hypo guiltyAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
In post 24, BK201 wrote:back to Tracker>Vigilante in this set-up; you can also conf scum when person they visit turns up dead, and conf town on the two pwr roles when people don't end up dead.
In post 14, LlamaFluff wrote: Vig has a extremely high chance of killing hider. I mean really, assume VT lynch for simplicity and vig kills VT, hider dies behind all scum, vig, and both NKs for six of eleven possible targets resulting in death. Besides, tracker is useful for partial confirms.
In post 250, LlamaFluff wrote:@andrew - Tracker/Vig is taking tracker or they are playing against their win condition essentially at this point since they are basically removing a cop (hider) from the game and creating a miller in themselves. Also you list Thomith and Venmar as scum. Which is more likely to be scum and why?PLEASE PICK TRACKERAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
If scum kill venmar then there is a 3/9 chance of hitting scum. If not then there is a 4/9.
However if we mis-lynch it's 3/8 or 4/8.
So unless we are very positive someone will actually flip scum, no-lynch is best today.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
I'm just going to hide behind someone and tracker is going to stay on me.
It's not a priority to have the tracker tracking other people when Hider can confirm VT and Tracker can only confirm the psych/detective at this point. Though tracker does have a better way to find scum (aka not dying), but we're more likely to target town statistically. Besides announcing who I will hide behind defeats the purpose of the Hider role.
4 more to lock in the No-Lynch.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time
-
-
BK201 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2738
- Joined: April 7, 2012
- Location: Unstuck In Time