Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)

[BK201]

1) Do you prefer playing as town, scum or third party? Third party.
2) How many games have you played so far on this site? 1 completed game.
3) How do you feel about lurking, active lurking, and lying? Assume you don’t know the reason for any of these. lurking is annoying, active lurking is scummy, and I am fond of "lynch all liars".
4) What role do you like to or want to play as the most? VT, takes the most skill, and provides the best challenge.
5) Coke or Pepsi? Water
6) DC Comics or Marvel? Marvel I guess.

VOTE: Kassadin yup.

[BK201]

oh forgot about SK. SK is my favorite

[BK201]

also, as the vig you may confuse our detective/psychologist. Tracker is a great role anyways.

[BK201]

Unvote, Vote: LlamaFluff

PL time.

if we're PLing anyone it's Kassadin for his 'no talk' meta.

[BK201]

Your justification for a wagon on me is because i made two non mafia related questions? I honestly did make those at random. I find your argument invalid for a wagon.

Well lets break it down

3) Only benifits scum since they know how everyone responds to lurkers/etc

Agree with point 3, but still not lynch worthy.

[BK201]

back to Tracker>Vigilante in this set-up; you can also conf scum when person they visit turns up dead, and conf town on the two pwr roles when people don't end up dead.

P-Edit: b/c I didn't think about it.

[BK201]

I agree with llama's logic of tracker> vig, however you are missing one important point.
The whole point of the vig is to take matters into your own hands.

Vigilante is too much of a liability in this set-up.

BK is rolefishing
Bk is backtracking

@ Llama HOw did he approach the tracker/vig thing from town POV. I see that post as rolefishing. You however, are approaching it from a town POV.

Explain.

Why do you hate RQS so much when clearly me starting it has already sparked a discussion? If this was RVS than we would still be speculating off of votes that most were made in a humorous manner, and therefor most are actually useless to use until someone makes a stupid mistake, and thus a possible slip.

RQS sparks theory discussions which are a side point in most open games where they should end at things such as "tracker is best" and maybe get into "hider claim + track follow" although thats not as big and im still mulling that one vs hypo-hide over.

hypo-hide? so we would all hypothetically claim who will hide behind? thus if the hider turns up dead, we check back and see who he hid behind, thus finding scum(or vigilante if vig/tracker picks that). right?

[BK201]

It's not pointless. People are selfish and Vig is for selfish people. Vig gives more individual power, but will screw up the other two power roles, and the rest of town by relation. 1 person saying so isn't guaranteed to be enough.

Btw Thomith, here we go again. Funny thing is I didn't propose PL on Kass. I just voted him cus I mean it.

[BK201]

BK, please explain your case on Kass. From what I know of you, you never vote without a case.

Case? I voted him before he even posted. I hate Kassadin's "playstyle", it's that simple. He posts 1-3 sentences, maybe once a day, and they don't carry much weight. The worst part is like a troll because he does it on purpose. Now that I think of it, that is more of a policy vote than a rvs, but I'm not going to spam the thread with "Kassadin is a troll PL him". I do love where my vote is right now though.

[BK201]

Yeah it is going pretty fast. Anyways, this is a much better vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: rasberry

[BK201]

also, as the vig you may confuse our detective/psychologist. Tracker is a great role anyways.

This one You talk about 2 different roles.
Using your logic, lets see the probilities

assuming townie lynch day 1-
12 ppl left
- detective 1/12 chance of checking scum who killed, 1/12 chance of checking vig that killed

-phychologist 2/12 chance of checking scum who didnt kill, 0 % chance of checking vig that didnt kill (vig will kill right..)

So there, i see your post as trying to figure out whether its the detective or phychologist, and who it is.

Why do you see my post as trying to figure out whether it's the detective or psychologist, and who it is? I am

hopefully

encouraging the vig/tracker to pick tracker. How is it anything like what you said?

kassadin has one dimensional logic, but i think it does make sense. WHy keep reinforcing?
TEchnowc's analysis is great to me.

Bk continues to argue, seems like hes scum that doesnt wanna let go otherwise he looks scummy

I've already explained, and you should comment on my reason instead of asking this question as if I havn't addressed it.

Question for you, what do you think would be better for town to have in this set-up, tracker or vig?

[BK201]

@ BK-201

Care to explain why?

no.

[BK201]

It's was a pressure vote, but if you state you're voting just to put pressure on that person it's not as effective.

Rasberry, you have nothing but "I'm a popular lynch" to say on page 5?

[BK201]

also i guess in a way i am defending kass, however it has reason that has worked before, which is why i am using it again.

I have 387 where you voted kass as scum, but that doesn't count because that's yourself. Then there's 397. There wasn't scum on Kass all game besides RachMarie eventually. Scum wants to keep Kassadin alive as long as possible. Players that lurk are great for scum because they allow scum to lurk too. When has your scum try to lynch Kassadin theory worked?

[BK201]

Kassadin and Rasberry, what's your reasons for voting Thomith?

I'd rather lynch one of you because I know you both lurk to endgame, so answer.

[BK201]

Will find some time tomorrow or Thursday. School.

[BK201]

@Techno - What is your read on Bw?
@BK - What is your read on Thomith?

After re-reading the game, he has been kind of inconsistent, mostly with his view on Kass, and his discussion with Venmar. What worries me is both trolls(rasb, kass) voted him back to back. Oh and I could see a Thomith+Andrew team if ones ends up being scum.

I think we should have the Hider claim, and have the Tracker/Vig choose Tracker. Hider claim + Tracker follow is awesome. (props to LF for thinking of this)

[BK201]

Bwburke lynch is a good one. Keeping vote on Rasberry to avoid short day phase and allow Hider Claim + Tracker Follow to happen.

[BK201]

Bw is at L-2.

I want opinions on the Hider claiming + Tracker following him before we risk the day ending.
One person should unvote Bw temporarily b/c troll-rasberry will hammer him if you put him(rasberry did this in 397 to me day 1, and we ended up losing(town)) at L-1.

[BK201]

In case it's not obvious, if the tracker dies, the tracker would then reveal who (all) the hider visited.

[BK201]

In case it's not obvious, if the

tracker

hiderdies, the tracker would then reveal who (all) the hider visited.

[BK201]

I'm the Hider.

For the love of god pick Tracker. Vigilante has a high chance of killing me, whether you kill someone I hid behind or I hide behind you.
Tracker is awesome anyways.

[BK201]

the one completed game I have with you, rasberry, is open 397. I ISO'd you, and you explained a lot more, considering you have not explained anything this game.

[BK201]

the game isn't just about explaining your own actions.

girl?

[BK201]

I'm down with LF, DCL, and myself in the alliance.

[BK201]

rasp being on the wagon does give me a few doubts, but i still feel iffy on the kass thing and still think at least one person that jumped on him is likely scum.

You're still going on about that? How about you commit to it, break down who was on the wagon, and tell us who is likely scum. Just sound like lazy scum otherwise.

[BK201]

VOTE: Thomith

DCL wrote

"

post 73

, Thomith Another post from Thomith that I do not like, don't like how he is tying kass's alignment to a llama/bk flip. In his owns words Thomith said that scum will jump on kass regardless of whether kass is town or scum because of how kass plays. So if the previous thomith statement is to be believed, then the alignment of kass' accusers should not affect a read on kass..."

post 76

, Thomith Previously thomith has said that kass acts the same regardless of alignment and that scum generally jump on kass regardless of kass' alignment. So why now is kass' alignment being tide to her attackers? It is like thomith has completely forgotten his meta defense of kass.

post 111

, Thomith I haven't see venmar say that he think kass is town, all venmar is doing is arguing against a quicklynch based on meta. Thomith again appears to be stretching the facts to find someone to be scummy. What is funny is that venmar has done legit scummy things but thomith isn't talking about those.

[BK201]

Honestly I should have voted Thomith before, but I was put off by Kass+Rasberry back to back vote on him.

[BK201]

Lowman, what's your read on Thomith?

[BK201]

Thomith

, what do you think of Andrew?

[BK201]

Saying what I think my curve Thomith's response. Glad to see you finally do something though.

[BK201]

*my=might

[BK201]

Unvote, Vote: Andrew94

hey llama, now you know why vig is good?

Picking Vig is a bad idea. Stop encouraging it! I'm the hider, I'm kind of like a cop. The tracker can claim who I investigated if I die (b/c the person I investigate the night I die is scum) and at the same time clear the people I visited and lived (b/c I am not sure it's the best idea to automatically reveal them each day for a couple reasons)

Vig on the other hand can very well kill the player I visit, killing me in the process. Also if I target the vig(since I won't know who the vig is) I die.

Tracker>>>>>>Vig
suggesting otherwise is very anti-town at this point.

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BwB

[BK201]

vig was never a good pick. not with the hider being 1/3rd of town's PRs.

[BK201]

I have no idea why Thomith thought I was the most townie of the players who voted kass, while missing my claim and a few other people mentioning it. He was also spared for claiming VT, which may have some merit to it, but not for Thomith in this game.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

[BK201]

stop prod dodging kass
(btw this my post is a prod dodge)

[BK201]

I caught up on a few games tonight, I'll catch up on this one tomorrow

[BK201]

everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1

grats shirlock, now who's scum and why?

answer this now, please. you owe it to all of us townies if you are indeed town as you have literally done nothing thus far.

[BK201]

rasberry you better not hammer without asking us like u did to me in 397 day 1.

[BK201]

*holds grudge*

[BK201]

You guys are free to lynch me, i am getting frustrated with playing with Andrew to be fully honest.

I'm still at L-1, so anyone who hammers is likely to be scum here. Keep that in mind.

VOTE: Venmar

do you think venmar is scum? why or why not?

[BK201]

I'm fine with hammering as well. Is BW one of those players that always plays like this? (aka not helping town)

[BK201]

remember tracker follows hider. That way a dead hider gives us confirmed scum.

Also an investigator with a guilty outwieghs tracker in forms of a guilty.

First claim is a guilty from the psych if one exists if the hider is dead. If one exists we just hypo the result of each of us tracking the hider, lynch guilty and tracker gets a free crack at the game to catch scum, and if they die we have thier hypo guilty

[BK201]

back to Tracker>Vigilante in this set-up; you can also conf scum when person they visit turns up dead, and conf town on the two pwr roles when people don't end up dead.

Vig has a extremely high chance of killing hider. I mean really, assume VT lynch for simplicity and vig kills VT, hider dies behind all scum, vig, and both NKs for six of eleven possible targets resulting in death. Besides, tracker is useful for partial confirms.

@andrew - Tracker/Vig is taking tracker or they are playing against their win condition essentially at this point since they are basically removing a cop (hider) from the game and creating a miller in themselves. Also you list Thomith and Venmar as scum. Which is more likely to be scum and why?

PLEASE PICK TRACKER

[BK201]

I need to re-read this game when I have time. Hopefully sometime tonight. Not revealing my result just yet.

[BK201]

I hid behind Venmar.

[BK201]

Still need to re-read though.

[BK201]

I hid behind Venmar.

Continuing with my read from yesterday:

VOTE: Venmar

What the hell...

[BK201]

@Tech, can you explain your reads, please?

[BK201]

Well we still have 2 weeks left, I am going to be too busy to accurately measure this game until Monday due to school.

[BK201]

@Rasberrylicious

, you might as well claim now that you hinted you're not VT.

Do it.

[BK201]

last 2 finals tomorrow, don't rush it and I'll read all of this then.

[BK201]

Tracker

is tracking me again. Hiding is worth it.

Not going to mention my reads, should be obvious why.

[BK201]

That's a fantastic idea.

VOTE: No Lynch

[BK201]

If scum kill venmar then there is a 3/9 chance of hitting scum. If not then there is a 4/9.
However if we mis-lynch it's 3/8 or 4/8.

So unless we are very positive someone will actually flip scum, no-lynch is best today.

[BK201]

also, maybe the other PR slot will find something out.

[BK201]

I'm just going to hide behind someone and tracker is going to stay on me.

It's not a priority to have the tracker tracking other people when Hider can confirm VT and Tracker can only confirm the psych/detective at this point. Though tracker does have a better way to find scum (aka not dying), but we're more likely to target town statistically. Besides announcing who I will hide behind defeats the purpose of the Hider role.

4 more to lock in the No-Lynch.

[BK201]

The plan is unchanged. I'm going to hide behind someone, and I just hope the Tracker tracks me in case I hit scum.

[BK201]

If hypo-claiming is done right I support it.

[BK201]

I would much rather BK claim his target beforehand.

Why?

[BK201]

Thomith are you always this lurky? I know others are worse, but I've only played 387 and 397 with you. 387(scum) you lurked much more than in 397(town).

Anyways announcing who I will hide behind is not something I will do, at least at this stage. It's basically letting scum get 2 kills instead of just 1, all for what? To free the tracker's tracking up? Whoopie.

[BK201]

Alright.

[BK201]

Well played, Rasp.

Congratulations Tech, I hid behind you and I'm still alive.

[BK201]

BK, not sure if you want to give reads at this point. I can see the benefit in you giving little input.

Gonna stick to little input until we know who all three scum are.

[BK201]

@BK: hoping you see the irony in the event that I was scum, given what happened in 1332

Lol that thought did cross my mind xD

[BK201]

I'll be listening from the shadows.

[BK201]

VOTE: Nachomamma

[BK201]

Let's not even bother with scenarios that includes BK hiding + tracker not tracking BK.

Also, scum-hunting is more important than what my night action will be.

[BK201]

Me not hiding is dumb. If scum want to gamble they can, but the odds are in my favor. Trying to kill me will lead to a pretty easy win for us or even an instant win.

I'm considering posting about nacho, give me a minute.

[BK201]

I like Jackal more as scum

Need a lot more than that.

[BK201]

Chimera is going away soon, so if you want any votecounts just PM me as I probably won't be paying attention to the game :V

Going away? When will he be back?

[BK201]

Andrew, whats your detailed read on Nacho?

[BK201]

ok, i am a little unsure, right now jackal and kass are providing little so could be lynches, however because of how i originally felt about kass i am not so sure, and nacho and andrew could be better lynches as they will be easier to link if they are scum because of them contributing, right now i am not sure about DCL and llama.

What's your detailed read on Nacho and Andrew?

origianlly i thought nacho was town and that
venmar, argula and llama were scum

Later on he voted on techno (town read).
Hes currrently null, as i like DCl ,jackal more as scum

Explain, why do you "like DCL and Jackal more as scum".

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

[BK201]

Don't ignore me, Andrew.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Andrew

[BK201]

Oh, didn't see Nacho's latest post. Okay, I'm fine with him Scum.
Techno looks Town too.
BK of course, is Town.

Why do Tech and Venmar look town? I disagree.

[BK201]

Drm, how good are you at scum?

[BK201]

BK of course, is Town.

Wait, why do you say I'm town so surely?

[BK201]

Yeah, I was testing you.

Well, whats your reads on the rest of the players?

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nacho

@Tech, copy that.

[BK201]

Nacho-scum >>> Kass-scum in regards to information. Unless you think Nacho is not scummy then your vote belongs here, Kass lynch isn't happening today.

[BK201]

Rasb's heavy soft-claim was convincing b/c it would have been a poor town move if he really was a PR, which no offense but isn't unbelievable considering he's the guy who voted Venmar after I cleared him. Brought it up twice and Rasb never even responded.

[BK201]

Interestingly enough I saw Nachomamma viewing this forum maybe an hour ago. Tech, I might do a case on Nacho, but there's already obvious contradictions with some of this logic I've seen in response to Nacho's wagon that I'm sure he's scum.

[BK201]

I might as well give my reads, I'd like to see scum gamble hitting one of the unconfirmed in an attempt to kill me too. Even with a mislynch that'd be 4 confirmed town, 1 unconfirmed town, and 3 scum. Easy win.

[BK201]

I suggest that the Psychologist/Detective slot claims now rather than in possible Lylo.

Even if you didn't get a guilty (I assume you have not b/c you have not come forward), it still gives us another confirmed town assuming you're not Venmar or Tech. Scum would likely take you out tonight b/c conf PR is better than conf unknown role, but you would be narrowing down the scumhunting, and maybe even saving the more important at this point role, Tracker.

Plus your innocent results are not concrete information depending on how mafia distributed their NK's but its still something to consider.

Would not suggest the Tracker claims.

[BK201]

@Tech, that works.

[BK201]

I like how you're discouraging the Psyche from doing so. Stop that.

[BK201]

Retire me? Ha, I'm going to confirm another town b/c mafia won't risk killing an unconfirmed. Even with a mislynch, they will literally lose the game if they try that and miss. They have to kill one of the confirmed. We need more confirmed, so psyche should claim, and I should keep hiding.

[BK201]

@Llama, The results of the Psyche/Detective are inconsequential unless he has a guilty. I want him to claim to further PoE the scum. I doubt one more night of results from the Psyche/Detective will catch scum, and a claim in Lylo will be taken with a grain of salt.

[BK201]

In other words, it will help all of our scumhunting, for those of us that are actually scumhunting.

[BK201]

^All the more reason for the Psyche to claim.

[BK201]

Thomith laying low and not reading the thread.

virtually all game.

>:/

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

[BK201]

I like your avatar, Venmar.

[BK201]

fos is wishy-washy period.

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
While I read, dont scare me with hammer + claim.

[BK201]

Votecount 3.6

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Nachomamma8 (4) -- Venmar, drmyshotgun, TeCHNoWC, BK201

(L-2!)

DLCXVI (2) -- andrew94, Thomith
Kassadin (1) -- DLCXVI

Not voting -- Nachomamma8, LlamaFluff, Kassadin

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-01 11:17:00)

We only have this long till deadline. I'm not waiting for Kass. I believe Andrew's claim but will wait for the chance of a cc.

[BK201]

Why dont u wait for me?
Ok who wants me to claim?

*facepalm*

*waves to everyone else*

*jumps off cliff with rope around his neck*

LMAO

[BK201]

DCL has just jumped on the kass policy lynch which has caught scum before, right now he is unclear so wouldn't it make sense for him to jump on an easy lynch like kass?
Right now because of this i think DCL is scum, the situation is just too convenient and sudden imo for it to be genuine
VOTE: DCL
kass might be scum, but most likely not with DCL unless they are hyper bussing or something like that, which i doubt.
DCL why has kass suddenly become scum?

Nice lurking, Thomith.

I saw you in the thread bro.

Respond to my points please, or am I to assume you are defending your scumbuddy in your silence, who defended you D1 by not jumping on your wagon?

a- i was reading another thread
b- i didnt see llamas question until after you pointed it out
c- idk about nacho, to begin with their posts seemed like town but have more and more seemed like baseless and empty post but big to make it look like they are contributing.

right now two scum reads are nacho/BK, however kass could be scum if BK is not.
llama is the towniest of the non confirmed because drm's previous player in their slot didnt rub well with me.

did i miss anything?

oh wow im sorry i got DCL mixed up with BK, my bad.

scum-Thomith basically confirms town-DCL for me. B/c highly doubt scum would forget who their partners are.

[BK201]

In other words if he was busing, then I really doubt he would have mixed DCL up with me.

[BK201]

Not hiding. On the off chance scum take the gamble that would be one extra head gone. I was already seeing the nacho, llama, thomith team as you guys brought up, but I needed to further PoE them to be sure of null reads like kass. Thanks to Thomiths mistake I think we PoE'd another slot.

Providing no counter-claims today, the scum team is Thomith, Llama, Nacho.

[BK201]

I'm actually glad Kass misunderstood and ended up claiming. I was considering asking the Tracker to also claim, but I didn't want it to be Venmar or Tech.(I knew it wasn't tech b/c he went full badass on Venmar start of Day 2 before I posted my read, which the Tracker would have known.)

[BK201]

I think the only players left to counter-claim are the suspected scum team.

VOTE: Thomith

Not saying rush it, but I'm casting my vote.

[BK201]

Kassadin should Track Nacho or Llama tonight since I'm not hiding. Might as well.

Kass, just make sure you don't tell us which one you will pick so they don't work around it.

P-Edit: Oh yeah.

UNVOTE:

[BK201]

I did say i tracked Llama in post b4 SO!
llama didnt go anywhere so he is not scum i dont think
I TOLD U
that is DR, TK, Nacho or BC

Only skimmed Llama's latest post but, just b/c you Tracked Llama and he didn't go anywhere does not at all mean he is town. It just means if he is scum then one of his team mates made the kill.

[BK201]

Kass who were your N1 and N2 targets? You didn't specify which one was Llama, and who the other one was.

Not doing anything until Andrew declares his guilty.

[BK201]

OK listen to me
I tracked llamafluff Night 1 = Went nowhere
then checked BK he went to teck so = blocker idk w.e
im tracker and say andrew is investigate thing guy
thats 5 confirm town
Venmar was town i think somewhere within the game
so there is DK, Nacho, Thomith, and DC guy
3/4 people are scum gg
i think the scum team are though
Thomith, DC and nacho
gg end of story now lynch

My bad didn't see this post.

[BK201]

based on the scheduled deadline I'll be on in the final hours before deadline probably.

I'd say if we can't do the proxy thing then just vote Thomith if you andrew takes too long.

[BK201]

that you after if and before andrew shouldnt be there.

[BK201]

Are you the Psychic or the Detective?

[BK201]

^yeah.

[BK201]

4. The Detective targets a player and finds out if that player has killed another player or not.
5. The Psychologist targets a player and finds out if they have the potential to kill, but if the player has already killed, the psychologist will get a negative result.

You are the Detective. You power is:
Investigation: Each night, you may PM me the name of a player you wish to investigate. I will return a result to indicate if that player has killed another player on any night, including the night you submit the action.

You are the Psychologist. Your power is:
Diagnosis: Each night, you may PM me the name of a player you wish to diagnose. I will return a result to indicate if that player has the ability to kill or not. However, if they have already killed another player, including kills submitted on the night you diagnose them, the result will be that they do not have the ability to kill.

[BK201]

^ My bad, based on his wording he is the Psyche.

[quote="In post 1048, andrew94"]i checked llamafluff night 2 and i got an innocent on him.
he either did not have the power to kill at all
or

he did not kill at all /quote] My confusion comes from this part of your post.

"he either did not have the power to kill at all" possible
or

"he did not kill at all" If he did not kill, but had the power to kill he would show up as guilty. However if Llama submitted the NK for Night 1 or Night 2 then he would show up innocent.

Considering (Llama picked up on the crumb) + (rasb hardcore soft-claiming + his poor play of voting confirmed town venmar)
What may have occurred is Llama decided to spread the kills(so none of the scum would show up guilty to the Psyche). Since they can render the Psyche useless, it makes a lot more sense to kill the suspected Tracker Rasb.

Who did you target night 1?

[BK201]

Fixed

i checked llamafluff night 2 and i got an innocent on him.
he either did not have the power to kill at all
or

he did not kill at all

My confusion comes from this part of your post.

"he either did not have the power to kill at all" possible
or

"he did not kill at all" If he did not kill, but had the power to kill he would show up as guilty. However if Llama submitted the NK for Night 1 or Night 2 then he would show up innocent.

Considering (Llama picked up on the crumb) + (rasb hardcore soft-claiming + his poor play of voting confirmed town venmar)
What may have occurred is Llama decided to spread the kills(so none of the scum would show up guilty to the Psyche). Since they can render the Psyche useless, it makes a lot more sense to kill the suspected Tracker Rasb.

Who did you target night 1?

[BK201]

Kass you should really read before posting. You are both writing off Llama as town based on your targeting him.

Neither of your targeting him proves he is innocent, at all.

[BK201]

VOTE: DCL

[BK201]

dang it this wont count for my "scum neutralized" cus I was too late to get in b4 hammer :/

[BK201]

Lol what.

@ Venmar, if I'm not on the wagon of the scum lynched I don't count it even if I thought they were scum. that is count it towards my scum killed count in my sig.

[BK201]

Hide or not?

P-edit: sweeeet I'm awesome

Lol no I don't count scumkills as scum. Thats part of the reason I don't update it till the game is completed :p

[BK201]

@Tech, I did have it say scum lynched before, but after I shot you in 1332 I changed it to scum neutralized and added your death.

[BK201]

and btw Llama is by no means clear. Tracker tracking him only means he didn't make the kill that night if hes scum. Kass only tracked him Night 1. and whichever PR andrew is, is very avoidable.

[BK201]

andrew94
TeCHNoWC

LlamaFluff

Venmar
BK201
Kassadin

DLCXVI

drmyshotgun
Thomith
Nachomamma8

Kassadin needs to track Llama, Drm, Thomith, or Nacho. Still two scum left so don't announce who. (sorry for being captain obvious but Kass scares me sometimes)

[BK201]

If I hide behind town and scum NK a confirmed town (assuming they will)
8 players
5 are conf town
1 is unconf town
2 are scum

If I hide behind town and scum kill that player. (assuming I announce who, which is the only way I'll hide tonight so Kass can still track)
7 players
4 are conf town
1 is unconf town
2 are scum

If I hide behind scum. (assuming I announce who beforehand, and another person dies besides me)
7 players
3 are conf town
2 are unconf town
1 is known-scum
1 is scum

If I don't hide
8 players
4 are conf town
2 are unconf town
2 are scum

[BK201]

Considering (Llama picked up on the crumb) + (rasb hardcore soft-claiming + his poor play of voting confirmed town venmar)
What may have occurred is Llama decided to spread the kills(so none of the scum would show up guilty to the Psyche). Since they can render the Psyche useless, it makes a lot more sense to kill the suspected Tracker, Rasb.

[BK201]

Dead QT http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/BAeEmQVptWR7

[BK201]

I hid behind Venmar b/c I thought he'd be an easy mislynch based on the way the day went. He was fairly new at the start of this game. Knew he would put a lot of work in.

Hid behind Tech b/c I knew he would put a lot of work in.

Didn't hide behind Llama b/c I kept thinking scum would NK him, but he became less vocal as the game progressed.

I was contemplating hiding behind Venmar night 3, but ultimately did not think maf would actually target me. Impressive call guys.

I got lucky that neither Venmar nor Tech were PR's, so we were able to have 5 confirmed-town block by day 3. Especially lucky maf NK'd rasb. rasb's intrusion post-death was stupid, though I don't think it affected the game much. As of Day 4 it was already impossible for mafia to win b/c even if andrew didn't target thomith, it would have cleared one of the two possible mis-lynches leaving only Thomith as unconfirmed town left.

This was one of my favorites so far. Thanks for modding Chimera.

[BK201]

"Night 3

Night actions:

BK201 does not hide
andrew94 investigates LlamaFluff
Kassadin tracks nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 kills BK201

Results:

andrew94 receives: has not killed
Kassadin receives: Visited BK201
Nachomamma8 kill: Successful"

Nice job, Kass. In the games we play you keep proving you are good at reading people, but I really wish you would stop lurking so hard.

[BK201]

He was a PR so laying low was good. He's not always a PR though, but always lurks the hell out of games.

Anyways.

[BK201]

Yeah!