Hey everyone, I'm replacing Venrob, read through the thread already (Been waiting for Burn to officially announce me for a few hours in the thread to post this), just a heads up, I have played this setup twice before in
Open 506 where I replaced in as the alt Yesterday and
Team Mafia where I also replaced in, worth mentioning that both games were some time ago but I do have a solid understanding of the concept. Think the most important part re; the numbers has already been discussed enough (Why the numbers were chosen) and we'll be able to read more into that when we get some flips but I do want to state do not discount doubling and tripling up, with the amount of experience a lot of the players here seem to have in the setup I can see scum being ballsy enough to attempt it.
Also I want to make this clear because it was really frustrating reading certain parts of the thread; Calling people VI's and bad and getting into personal attacks needs to completely cease, it's just creating unneeded conflict and noise which is making scumhunting harder.
Anyway here's where I'm at:
Town (Strongest to weakest): Toby, Game, Aneninen, Hershey, [Gap], Sala, ZZZX
thoughts and questions have mirrored a lot of what mine would have been when reading through the thread, especially liked her line of questioned to Siv in
Post 67 and
Post 87 and the explanation of it in
Post 165. Can follow all of her reads even those that I don't agree with (Most notably Sala).
scumhunting and reads actually come across as insanely genuine (Despite the fact that I think he's a little too tunnelled on some things and needs to step back and re-evaluate, there's a few instances where he has based his reasoning on his reads which just leads to circular-logic and confirmation bias but it's hardly a scum tell, comes more from stubborn town if anything) think
Post 219,
Post 220,
Post 221,
Post 223,
Post 224 and
Post 225 is extremely natural and transparent scumhunting and actually find the timing and context of his reaction to being "vigged/voted" in
Post 330 to be very natural. This dudes not scum and people need to step back and realise that.
(Consider this a warning Sala, if you vig him purely due to thinking he's anti-town you're being more anti-town than he is).
scumhunting has been something I've been able to follow for the most part, there's a few posts of his that I find really town for instance
Post 123,
Post 268 and largely
Post 353, the turn around on Gameplay and reasoning for it is really really genuine but I will admit there's a few things that I am bugged by of him such as
Post 177 the announcement of "This is a null-tell" seems unnecessary to say as town because you don't really care about peoples appearance of yourself,
Post 333 also troubles me but I think these both might just be play-style type things of his rather than alignment tells.
thoughts again have been something I've managed to follow (Despite disagreeing with some of her conclusions), liked
Post 55,
Post 89 and especially liked
Post 244 since it's p much exactly the read I have on Anen. The biggest thing for me though is the discussion about how her scum reads don't really fit together in
Post 211 reads very very genuine. The only thing of hers I dislike was the accusation of "rolefishing".
unprompted vig claim in
Post 135 is something that I think is unlikely to come from scum alone largely because it prevents them from using the ability optimally (Having 2 scum night kills one night) and instead forcing him to use it either shooting a "weaker player" or someone that is universally scum read. That said not really a fan of any of his reads described in
Post 290 and really want the "more reads later" to happen very soon because I've seen him be far more useful than this before.
predecessor Antole did a few things that I read as town such as his tone and reasoning in
Post 122, his warning in
Post 125 his comment re; Gameplay in
Post 129, hoping ZZZX's catch up will help strengthen this read.
Null/Conflicted on: Saki, Arma, Aafter, Heph, Elmo
slot needs to start contributing soon, it's been an empty slot the entire day at this point.
needs to be replaced asap. Speaking of which
Mod: Can you replace Arma, zero posts all day is baaad.
prod-dodging is something I don't like in the slightest but waiting on this "big catch up promised post" before reading him.
someone I'm conflicted on, I liked his
Post 127 and thouht his
Post 134 was a town tell (Albeit a weak one) but didn't like his reaction in
Post 160, tone of it just felt weird. Don't like the lack of reads from him either;
Heph, your strongest 3 town and scum reads would be nice
.
someone I have difficulty reading in general (I've read him as scum in most games I've followed of his) so I'm slightly reluctant to make a solid call either way right now but there are a few posts of his tonally that read as town such as
Post 318 and
Post 329 but will admit the point on him "not knowing the number of the scum team" in
Post 267 doesn't come across as natural and his explanation for it is kind of meh. Willing to give him a bit of lee-way too given he's the top draft spot.
Scum (Strongest to weakest):
Siv, Flubber
actually someone I've played with twice before, one being in this specific setup (He was town in both past games) and I'm finding his play here to be very different from then and while that might be due to a change in playstyle given how long ago the games were something doesn't feel right here at all from him. I really don't like his reasoning behind his number choice in
Post 17 and
Post 84, I actually kind of have a crack-pot type theory that he picked 4 as scum and got a partner to double (or triple even) up on it as well to use it as a means of clearance later in the game, would explain his number choice and attitude to the whole thing. His vote on Elmo in
Post 193 feels very weak and his reaction in
Post 199 actually reads as incredibly scummy. Also don't like his mention of Anen in
Post 266, plus it doesn't bode well with his read on him in
Post 364, not a fan of the read or reasoning on Elmo too. Relatively confident he's scum.
posts for the most part have been weak questioning such as
Post 124,
Post 184,
Post 285,
Post 286, none of the questions really lead to much and seem more like him trying to seem active and contributive without actually being so. Also noteworthy is that he hasn't stated many unique (or any) reads and thoughts at all. Can't put my finger on exactly what it is but something in
Post 93 feels off to me too.
And with all that:
Vote: Siv
