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Right now I think MS is town. The VT gambit is semi rolefishing but further play says maybe not. Trying to get a rise out of the Mason? most likely. Gonna draw out scum? Probably.
I'm following GM's 38 Zebulan's question seems to be missing a third option.
Mala even if you don't like MS's play right now, he seems to be the only one generating content so there is that. On the other hand, I'm really not feeling Town Huntress. So MS's inclusion of her as town is slightly concerning, but other wise no problem.
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In post 143, Huntress wrote:Hi Josh!
In post 137, Josh_B wrote:
On the other hand, I'm really not feeling Town Huntress.
Why would that be?
Lot's of probing questions, not a lot of personal POV.
BBT, I'm not understanding your vote on the soft defense. Seems more like MS was giving a POV than trying to defend someone. What would be the point of tying himself to his scum partner so quickly?About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 149, Nashville Dreams wrote:ed to know if Nyayaya is avoiding the game because there wasn't a daystart PM or if it's possible it's due to an alignment thing.
Alt slip much?
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In post 160, Malakittens wrote:Will you stop trying to PL? Or even try to push a lynch before half the game has posted content or even before I get to sort out Huntress/gm.
I want to get a solid read on the two players I have played with the most. Then go down the list.
While you do that I'm going to be trying to gain some support to pressure these people who seem to think this is a no effort game.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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-Ok, Shinobi, I just happen to have an extra town read in my pocket. Here you go. But not because you think you deserve it. I'm just a nice guy and have extra pocket candy.
- Oh, there's a big surprise! That's an incredible. I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die from that surprise!
Commercial break to respond to BBT, and cut in on his convo with Orange in Sharp Contrast.
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Does anyone else feel like this is a 9 player game and it takes 7 votes to lynch?
I am going to have to shamefully postpone responding until this evening. Whichever player read this please find something in the last three pages to like or dislike for little or some reason. I don't care what BBT thinks about people butting in. It's part of the game, let him deal with it.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 181, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 137, Josh_B wrote:
Right now I think MS is town. The VT gambit is semi rolefishing but further play says maybe not. Trying to get a rise out of the Mason? most likely. Gonna draw out scum? Probably.
You think town semi-role fish?
How do you think it draws out scum?
Yes.
Scum love WIFOM. It's like mafia crack. It's great for town... if you know how to read it, and it's responses. I'll make a town case of MS, wait for it.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 181, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why would MS feel the need to answer a question directed at someone else? It would obviously be a mistake from scum that they would hope no-one would pick up on. I doubt MS made the post thinking he would get linked to NPAU.
It isn't a scum tell. That's just people being actively involved in the conversation.
Me either. Do you think we should Lynch NPAU to see if MS is trying to WK off of a lynch? Or do you think we should lynch MS so we get a clear off of NPAU?
I don't and neither of these two scenarios make sense. Maybe we can follow trails that actually lead to finding scum and not randomness. If I answer a question or but my nose into a conversation that just means I want to participate in the thread, judge my comments for their content.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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TOWN CASE for MS:
Option1. MS is a VT looking to get recruited into the mason thread.
Possibilities:
1. The masons believe him and recruit him, at the same time scum kills him.
2. The masons don't recruit him because he may be NK'd, so they choose someone else, and scum NK him.
3. The masons recruit MS and the scum kill someone else because they are trying to outwit the masons.
Option2. MS is a scum trying to out the Masons.
Possibilities:
1. The Masons attempt to recruit MS, their actions fail and MS is lynched as conf scum.
2. The Masons do not attempt to recruit MS, and it is impossible for him to get NK'd.
Reason's why Option 1 is more likely. If MS was pulling a scum gambit the best scenario is a 1 for 1 situation, where one mason outs MS as scum and the other mason continues to recruit town. If MS is pulling a town gambit, the scum have the option to either Kill MS or allow him to live with the possibility that he is recruited into the masons. While the Masons can either accept the gambit knowing that MS could be NK'd, or attempt to recruit another town member. Causing MS to become the least likely town member to be recruited and the scum would then attempt to out guess who the Masons will recruit and NK someone else.
-Are you thirsty? Because that is some magical WIFOM right there. And no one is more of a WIFOM wizard than I.
Conclusion MS is a vanilla town trying to get recruited into the Mason thread, not a scum trying to out the masons.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 201, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hmm, maybe you shouldn't town-read people so quickly.
I like this comment from BBT. Very townish. I can't tell you how many times I've town read someone for little or no reason only to get burned later. I think I remember Wolfy making this comment recently in another thread. But alas, town hunting is just as important as scum hunting. And getting it wrong is part of the game.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 207, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why haven't you responded to the questions I asked you?
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In post 249, Malakittens wrote:Fyi;
that's actually a characteristic of town-Huntress, but I shouldn't be quick to townread her yet because she knows what to dodge when playing with me and something she posted makes me lack confidence that we have yet to have a town-huntress.
I accept your evaluation of her individual style. I don't know her, so I'm going with general scum behavior. I can relax my read to null scum at best, but then I want a Zebulan lynch. Let's get that started.
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In post 260, Metal Sonic wrote:No. Zebulon is a new + bad player but he is town.
He is mislynch bait, do not take it.
From the looks of the VC, so are you. But seriously. What do you think about this...
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MetalSonic: Oh, this is an intresting one. Metal Sonic played post 28 ... interestingly so say the least. He did a weird VT/Mason gambit, then argued with me about grammar for 2 pages. He then vote hops and demands sheep. He then says a ton of stuff tat just confuses me (no conclusion), stops pressuring goodmorning, then starts pressuring goodmorning, then stops pressuring goodmorning. 65 posts is a good number, I admit, but that is some seriously weird play. Maybe his strategy is to confuse us all so we can't scumhunt effectively.
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goodmorning: Can't read, can't read, pressure pressure pressure. Also attacking Metal Sonic, who I'm not the biggest fan of. 25 posts is good enough, and I like the effort.There are valid points raised by others who I am too lazy to name(I don't want to look it up), so not totally town.
He can't name the others, Because the name of the others is Sonic, who is his number one scum read? I mean it could be Alpha Sapphire bringing up the points, but her vote is still a holdover from RVS and she hasn't said much in her 3 posts. Mala mentioned wanting to get a better read on GM but other than that... I got nothing. Is anyone else bringing up any points? Maybe others are bringing up points on GM being town, but I don't really see that either. Maybe GM and MS are D1 bussing for no reason, that would make a whole lot of no sense.
What does make sense? Scum Zebulin. You can think it's mislynch fodder if you want, but this should be our plan of action this DP.
MetalSonic, I know I'm asking you, but NPAU, and Huntress feel free to chime in. You know what? Everybody chime in, I want to hear your voices.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 266, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:This isn't very clear to me. Are you saying town semi-role fish? I don't understand why town would try to out the Masons.
How does MS' opening post specifically relate to drawing out scum? How does that work?
Oh jeez, is this a theory lesson or are you just antagonizing me because you know how? My offer to hydra is still on the table. How about calling our Hydra Prince Azure or Lord Gray? What do you think?
I don't think MS is trying to out the masons. Maybe that was unclear. I think he was trying to tell the masons to recruit him. Scum respond to that kind of stuff. It's like an ice cream truck to a six year old. Look at the immediate replies and tell me who you find the most suspicious. It's not solid evidence, but it's a good place to start with a FoS.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 266, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Umm, you regularly address questions that are not directed at you then? It kind of defeats the object of questioning someone if someone else answers first and provides an answer for the person who the question was directed at.
Yes, yes I do. Because I'm like that. Sometimes someone asks the dumbest questions, and I can't figure out WTF they are trying to get at. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing, or maybe the question is being asked by scum trying to invent shit that isn't there. I don't know. Is the person asking the ? willing to listen to your PoV, or are they death tunneling on some useless crap and they are going to FoS the first person that gives them a reason, or no reason really. They just want to call everybody scum and push as many lynches as they can with as many people sheeping them as they can and they don't care if the person they are tunneling is town or not town because they aren't reading anyone's posts except for the part that helps them prove their retarded inventions.
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In post 275, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
All of this is only true if we accept that MS was trying some sort of gambit. If he wasn't, then everything you're saying is irrelevant.
I accept it as a gambit.
In post 137, Josh_B wrote:Trying to get a rise out of the Mason? most likely.
How does 'get a rise out of' translate into 'trying to get recruited'?
Also, I don't hydra atm. If I decide I want to try it, you'll be the first to know.[/quote]
If you are the Mason, and you need to know who to clear and not to clear, are you just going to accept the gambit or do you need more information before you decide? I'm going to need more evidence than one post to decide who I'm going to recruit. At this point I think there is a reasonable amount of evidence to decide if the risk of recruiting MS outweighs the possibility of either having him NK'd, or him turning out to be scum.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 284, Metal Sonic wrote:I mean, yeah, it's only a one-shot cop. Not a multiple night thing. Poop.
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In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:I get that it's ridiculous, but you were pointing out his likelihood of being scum in a wishy washy manner, not his supposedly ludicrous manipulative attempts. DO you find any scum motivation behind the post?
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In post 279, goodmorning wrote:Option 3: MS is a Scum trying to get recruited in a suicide mission.
There are 3 Scum in this setup, and the sacrifice of 1 to
A. prevent the Masons from recruiting anyone
B. out one or both Masons with what amounts to a Cop guilty
would hardly be a stretch.
The Masons may only attempt to recruit once, so if it fails that's it. That's the problem with what you've put out there.
I was under a different impression of how many towns could be recruited. All that wine is now flat coke. Oddly enough, I'm still thirsty.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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And so it has been foretold, Onward to better reads and more scum hunting. Thusly, you may sheep me now.
In post 282, Huntress wrote:In post 146, Josh_B wrote:Lot's of probing questions, not a lot of personal POV.
Questions are one of my main scumhunting tools. They help me work out where people are coming from.
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I wanted to know if he had genuine reason for voting me or was just trying to avoid the main wagons.
Were there main wagons? I didn't notice. There are still some unfounded RVS posts on the board.
In post 271, Josh_B wrote:What does make sense? Scum Zebulin. You can think it's mislynch fodder if you want, but this should be our plan of action this DP.
MetalSonic, I know I'm asking you, but NPAU, and Huntress feel free to chime in. You know what? Everybody chime in, I want to hear your voices.
I said I would give Zeb the benefit of the doubt earlier if he could tell me why he thought MS was scummy, as opposed to just confusing, because my gut was saying Zeb was town. But he still doesn't seem to be able to do that, and he seems to realise it because in 276 he now says that his case is built around the scummier parts of MS like vote-hopping (which he didn't mention before and which is not an alignment tell anyway). If that was the case, why not include it in 239? It just looks like he is trying to find excuses to support his vote.
Well then climb aboard. I don't think the EspressoDan thing is going anywhere. Also I think it's funny that he said "'We' spent 2-3 pages discussing Sonic's wording and grammar.." when that dude was nowhere to be found.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 299, Peabody wrote:In post 286, Josh_B wrote:Zebulin, How do you feel about being on the same wagon as Peabody? Does that change your reads at all?
What do you mean by this?
I'm voting BBT at the moment.
-Well this sucks. I guess I'll have to ask some different questions.
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In post 321, goodmorning wrote:In post 319, Zebulin wrote:In post 318, Josh_B wrote:Zebulin, What do you think about the interactions between NPAU and GM?
I feel like their argument against each other is the other person's argument is bad, which a bad argument and circular logic. My gut says it's town vs town, but I'm not 100% sure. (Well, no one is except the scum or if they're the 2 masons.)
What? I'm saying he'snot reading my fucking posts.
His argument would be fine IF IT WAS BASED ON REALITY.
My, My, This post comes off as very defensive. How do you feel about Zebulin calling you and NPAU both town?
Perhaps, you aren't following my posts. So, I'm sad. Look at this face.
Huntress seems to be picking up on what I'm throwing down. I do not understand Zebulin's read on GM at all. At risk of repeating myself and her, the non inclusion of MS and NPAU(the loudest voices against GM) in his opinion are just as significant as his inclusion of an RVS Flaker, a fence sitter, and an I'm not even sure what he means by GM making points against herself.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 331, Zebulin wrote:@JoshB: What are your reads on the goodmorning/NPAU argument? (I meant to post this immidiately after post 319.)
Yea. There are some things that I care for on both sides, and some things that I don't care for. Nothing overly damning to me.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 322, Huntress wrote:GM, BBT and MS. Yes, I know that the actual votes were a bit on and off but there was enough talk about them to give that impression. With GM in particular MS and BBT were claiming there were more votes on her than there ever were. The four rvs votes still on the board are all on different people.
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In post 325, Scripten wrote:Josh B - Disagree with him about MS. I don't think the content that's been generated by his gambit was particularly good. I will agree that it got the game out of RVS, which might have been its intent. Dislike his push on Huntress. Like his push on Zebulin, though I'm not ready to lay a vote yet. Light town read. (I'd appreciate him NOT ruining this game by being a jerk to me over completely unrelated reasons, though. Thanks.)
Seriously though, thanks for subbing in. I was just trying to give you a hard time. But, let's see where the game goes. I'll try not to be overly critical.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 348, beastcharizard wrote:Deadline: 14 days, 12 hours, 55 minutes
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In post 350, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What an awful answer. Can you elaborate on this please? What do you care for? What don't you care for? How are you reading GM and NPAU right now?
1.Nope
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4. I'm fence sitting until some sort of conviction sets in. But if you must know, I'm considering sheeping your current vote because this post...
In post 313, Shinobi wrote:I'm putting BBT in my anti-sheep list. That's how little faith I have in him right now.
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Maybe you can CwatIsee
Spoiler: Zebulin
There's some other things in the post that make me think Scum Zebulin. His high town read on Shinobi which contradicts posts 66
NPAU gets a lurk/null read with 2/5 posts containing content, whereas Mala gets a full on scum read saying that only half of her posts are content related (I disagree with his view of content related). With Mala's 18 posts as a replacement, I'd say she's was one of the games top contributors at that time. Not giving a read on me, seems a little silly considering that he seems to think very highly of post counts and given the fact that I had about 18 posts prior to his reads list.
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In post 66, Shinobi wrote:
I'm not sure if he's scum.He's been saying weird shit thus far, but it's MS: that's just how he is. I don't feel like anything he has said thus far has been particularly alignment indicative.Though I will admit that it's complete nonsense...
In post 239, Zebulin wrote:
Shinobi:Seems towny. I really like post 75, and 19 posts is pretty active. Hedoesn't seem to care for Metal Sonic very much, but isn't calling anyone out particularly. He is trying to get the game moving, which is nice.
I'm don't see what makes him think that Shinobi doesn't like Metalsonic. Or maybe I'm thinking too narrow mindedly about Zebulin's post.
Shinobi doesn't like MetalSonic "in this game" (my understanding)
Shinobi doesn't like MetalSonic "at all" (possible meaning)
but still not sure why Zebulin thinks that.
On another note. I like zebulin's recent explanation. Can we vote Peabody now?
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In post 358, Peabody wrote:Which lead me to believe a 'sheep me-BBT' is not entirely truthful in his convictions.
He never is. Lucky for you that you are finding this out now as opposed to later. I think I speak for all of us that know BBT, your case is weak. Is there anything else that you want to add?About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 419, Peabody wrote:Is that typical of him to be over-the-top convicted of a read?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58856
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NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
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On top of that, they are nearly all without player engagement.
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In post 440, Zebulin wrote:Requesting Replacement
I could go on and on about why, but I just don't have time for 2 games and I'm totally outmatched in skill in this one. It helps town if I replace.
I'll keep on playing until a replacement is found, don't worry.
Reads:
Very Town: Shinobi, JoshB
Town: Scripten, Peabody, JoshB
Null/Lurk: Everyone Else, JoshB
Scum: Metal Sonic, Malakittens, JoshB
Very Scum: JoshB
One question before I leave; What the heck is with Uncle Sonic? Is it a strategy, scumhunting tool or just trolling?
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In post 447, beastcharizard wrote:Searching for a replacement for Zebulin.
Gosh you people stink. I should change the name of the thread to Making friends and Replacements.
Speaking of replacements, Our replacements Ucitron and hephestus need prods.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 448, nopointinactingup wrote:In post 443, Josh_B wrote:NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
Goodmorning
BBT
Huntress
Goodmorning again
and Now
Mala
On top of that, they are nearlyall without player engagement.
I'm still not sure what the Huntress vote was for. Can you explain?
I don't see a problem with vote changes, especially in the beginning of the game, when you are trying to figure out who is scum among the many.
My vote on Huntress was a gut thing. I felt like she was mainly cruising through the game being neutral. She had no vote so I voted her to see how she would respond. She didn't really respond but I was back at arguing with BBT before I could follow up on it
You never really followed up with BBT though either. re: 228 Can you say why you think BBT is townish?About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 463, hephaestus wrote:Hmm, Josh why are you voting Peabody?
I'd explain it to you but it's really null now that Zeb isn't here.
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In post 513, Scripten wrote:Mod:Could we get a votecount pretty please? Would suck to get a derphammer.
Prod Dodge Mod: I'm waiting on this TOO! Can we start getting one of these every 24 hours even if it stays exactly the same?About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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I'm not sure about NPAU anymore. I think there's unanimous consent that he's scum. I want to vote there, but I have to agree with Peabody on this one. Hephastus's vote looks the exorbitantly opportunistic. That's where I want to serious vote.
VOTE: Hephastus
I tried a re read on this game. Most of the accusations of town/scum are pretty null.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 603, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 602, Josh_B wrote:I'm not sure about NPAU anymore.I want to vote there, but I have to agree with Peabody on this one. Hephastus's vote looks the exorbitantly opportunistic. That's where I want to serious vote.I think there's unanimous consent that he's scum.
VOTE: Hephastus
I tried a re read on this game. Most of the accusations of town/scum are pretty null.
What changed your read on NPAU?
Just the fact that Heph voted him?
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In post 609, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 608, Josh_B wrote:
If he were scum, don't you think that at least one of his buddies would assist?
You actually think everybody is accusing NPAU of being scum?
Is that why he's only at L-3 or whatever it is?
Let me give a detailed analysis. Because it's really easy to +NPAU +scum in the search bar.
I'll just list them as I find them
Sonic 450
BBT 600
Peabody 526
Huntress 373
Shinobi 583
Scripten 540
Hephestus 512
Goodmorning 279
I tried to get a better read on him, by asking about his play because he really wasn't trying to interact with anyone. I feel like he avoided that part twice, and once from Davesaz so I think he is pretty scummy.
Oh shit, that's 9 players
With missing definitive answers from
Malakittens
Ucitron- he's still in this game right?
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Davesaz. I thought Davesaz said thought he was scum when reiterated my question 488 but maybe that was just scumhunting.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.-
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In post 666, davesaz wrote:In post 658, Josh_B wrote:Let's all lynch Hephestus. I feel pretty good about that right now.
Any update to this thought given his post for today? Any bets on when we can expect another?
I have no idea. But what I do know is that this my third attempt to start a wagon. and I'm seriously questioning myself. Mala's short stint on a real wagon that almost went through has me questioning why I think she's town. Plus the fact that it was also her and MS that defended Zebulin earlier. I'm half tempted to vote NPAU in hopes that there has been bussing.About WIFOM: Sometimes I just get thirsty and drink both glasses.