Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

Brunneis · Post Post #20 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:56 am

............. I was certain that I was on this account.

Mod, can you please remove the previous post? I'm sorry. X_X.....

************

Ranger wrote:...Let's try that again.
Errantparabola wrote:my vote is semiserious i think
Mine was 80%.
It's 100% now.

Can you both explain why?

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx

What was previously said still stands.

Done

Brunneis · Post Post #41 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:34 am

OK, I can see

Parabola's

train of thought in 24

But here's my question:

How was

Mak

over-responding? All he did was inquire about how your vote was better placed on him. 14

In post 27, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 25, Errantparabola wrote:Brunneis heres my train of thought

- rvs is a time where we pressure each other trying to get out of rvs. If i am wrong about this please let me know for future games
- ranger opened with light pressure on makara
- in my opinion makara overresponded to this pressure. Could have asked to explain the vote or something else (like he did with my vote) but he responded with a serious vote that has yet to be justified

I don't agree that mak over responded.
It felt like an almost equal response, to an odd vote.

Speaking of equal responses, I see you haven't responded to 20.

Brunneis · Post Post #67 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:51 am

In post 47, Errantparabola wrote:

In post 41, Brunneis wrote:How was Mak over-responding? All he did was inquire about how your vote was better placed on him

When I mean overresponding, I'm talking about makara's omgus serious vote

I'm having a hard time taking Mak seriously in 11.... Especially that early.

Plus, you didn't state why you voted for Mak in 12 until after you were questioned about it. But before then, you say that your vote was "semi-serious" but credited to Mak in 15 that he put us out of RVS (But your vote remained).... Before half of us even posted in the thread...

I'm suspicious of the ambiguity generated from your posts.

42

@GrayFoxxxx

Why not you? My vote was RVS. It's just that you didn't seem to have any reaction to my initial post, so I pried.

I just find that your posts so far have just vaguely stated whether you agreed or disagreed with someone, and I find that odd, especially since you've done nothing over your original vote that concerned Vedith - whether it was meant to be RVS or not.

In post 48, Vedith wrote:Yeah I'm going on a limb with FB being town... (I know he's IC btw :roll)

@Brunneis - 41 - Why did you originally ask Ranger and Errant and then mention the Gray hasn't responded?

@GM - 37 - Lets talk more on this. When on earth do people get credit for ending RVS?

Because Ranger/Errant haven't stated their votes, and I inquired to understand why they were serious.

Also, between my first post, and the second - 20 41 - Errant actually replied to my question, whereas Gray had posted several times between then and there without any sign of acknowledgement from my post.

49

@Ranger

Yeah, I'm liking this reasoning a lot better. I'm already detecting inconsistencies with Para

As for my vote, I feel a little weird about Gray, but Para's caught my attention more.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Errantparabola

>>>

Not entirely sure what Ranger and Ika see in GM, I'd like at least 1 of them to post soon regarding this... I've been in a game as town with GM being scum. I don't think I've seen enough to make a clear decision on their alignment. However, I feel a slight town vibe, but I'm not going to go any further than this right now.

Brunneis · Post Post #90 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:07 pm

In post 76, The Fire Hermit wrote:I hate that I am an IC this game
Worst role in the history of mafia

- Constantine

In post 77, The Fire Hermit wrote:We are not tagging posts anymore either

Constantine, you don't have to tag your posts, I can spot them a thousand parsecs away.

It might be the worst role (Millers and Treestumps and Sauluses may beg to differ,) but you're a confirmed Townie so get in the game and help us find Scum.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #95 (isolation #4) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:20 am

-_____-****........

x10000

@Mod, can you please remove the previous post?

While your at it, can you slap the hell out of me so this won't happen agan?

72

@Gray

Reaction test. I stated in my previous post that I held weird vibes about you and that is why I brought up my RVS post since you didn't hold any response to a vote being placed on you. That's why I brought it up specifically again and I wanted to see how you'd react if I pushed you in a different way.

>>>>>>>>>

@Ranger/Vedith

I'm not fond of Trivium's posts either, I feel like their quite self-conscious, I don't exactly understand the push on Mak for trying to gauge for answers. Specifically since Mak hasn't really said anything about his vote since literally the first page....

Trivium, what do you think about the Errantparabola wagon?

I feel like Ika is town because of the genuine emotion I'm getting, but then again - I don't believe holding out on their vote concerning GM with little to no reasoning this long is very helpful.... >_> Since I have a slight townread on GM for a similar reason as Ika...

>>>>>>>>>>>

@Varsoon/Duppin

Also, Varsoon - Duppin, are you two alive? You both have collectively around 5 posts in all in this game so far. And not a lot to help progress the game... I'm looking at you Varsoon, since all you've posted had just been gifs...

This still remains.....

***SLAP***

Brunneis · Post Post #108 (isolation #5) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:41 am

In post 100, The Fire Hermit wrote:Brunneis its pretty hypocritical to be slamming people on amount of posts this early especially when you only have 5 posts yourself.
Just yell at them to contribute more.

Its what I would do

Yes, but I've contributed to conversation in my posts. I will refrain from being as accusatory in the future, but I just wanted to push anyone who hasn't truly engaged with anybody here yet that they should. I'm not keen on fluff.

Varsoon wrote:@Taly: I've been fairly busy. Don't like my images? That makes me sad. I'll stop posting them for now, I guess.

@FireHermit: What makes you say that about GM?

Don't be personal. I like how fun you can be. I just wanted to see you either explain yourself and/or, I wanted you to do something about it. You said you've been busy, and I understand that. That's all there is too it.

Also, I'm Brunneis.

Not Taly.

106

@Trivium

I'm inclined to disagree, but I feel a little suspicion on Errant.... However, why are reaction test votes such a bad thing? And why are you self-conscious as a "playstyle"? This sounds too inhibited.

Brunneis · Post Post #122 (isolation #6) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:59 pm

In post 113, Trivium wrote:I think that votes should be because someone already suspects someone, and voting for pressure seems like trying to lynch quickly to me.

How is someone supposed to already suspect someone?

Pressure voting to check reactions is one way to get a better read on another player.

Your reactions are bugging both Brunnies' heads.

Brunneis · Post Post #123 (isolation #7) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:04 pm

In post 117, The Fire Hermit wrote:My other scumreads are Brunneis ...

Hermit, we aren't Scum.

Brunneis · Post Post #124 (isolation #8) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:05 pm

I think Varsoon and Trivium could be Scum partners, though.

Brunneis · Post Post #164 (isolation #9) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:18 am

UNVOTE:

Brunneis · Post Post #165 (isolation #10) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:23 am

In post 161, Varsoon wrote:
Playing Follow-the-IC has never failed.

Varsoon, the IC are Firebringer and Constantine. They aren't idiots, but their role status doesn't grant them any extra scumhunting talent, certainly not on Day 1.

You're reminding me of Classic Rock Varsoon. FoS

Brunneis · Post Post #166 (isolation #11) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:23 am

^Klingoncelt^

Brunneis · Post Post #167 (isolation #12) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:13 am

161

Varsoon, why do you keep projecting the image that you don't care about where the direction town is going?

I just find this very weird, because both of Brunneis' halves have had scummy experiences with this mentality of yourself.

I don't understand Trivium's posts much at all, the more I read, the more it seems suspicious. Taly used to be the same way as noobtown and Trivium hasn't been on this site for too long... So I don't know, but I sense some genuine feelings behind Trivium - at least part of Brunneis does, and the previous votes on him haven't done much better to help. So in that case,

VOTE: Varsoon

Now could you give a fuck?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Also, to the people who have thrown suspicion on me but haven't stated anything beyond that

(Which is about 3: Ranger, (One Half?) Of Fire Hermit, and probably someone else I forgot to mention.)

Could someone please explain their scumreads on me?

Brunneis · Post Post #169 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:52 am

Cool is good. It's great.

But are you cool Town or cool Scum?

Trivium bugs both our heads. There's some kind of disconnect there, wait - I FOUND IT!!

Look at posts 33 and 78.

They seem a little too 'scripted' to me.

Post 79 is what made my hair stand on end.

Trivium and Goodmorning are 2 of the Scums.

I pick

VOTE: Trivium.

Wagons, ho!!!

Brunneis · Post Post #182 (isolation #14) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:44 am

Ugh, I'm going to have a heart attack.

@Mod, please remove previous post from Taly.... Sorry if I keep driving you crazy... I'm having a bad week.

Guys, I do less a lot less than what it looks like. FYI. >_>

In post 180, Taly wrote:
In post 170, goodmorning wrote:
In post 167, Brunneis wrote:Also, to the people who have thrown suspicion on me but haven't stated anything beyond that
(Which is about 3: Ranger, (One Half?) Of Fire Hermit, and probably someone else I forgot to mention.)

Could someone please explain their scumreads on me?

And me!
No, I can't. I'm still trying to explain it to myself. Words aren't doing a good job of being sufficient to the purpose.

GM, the last time I heard you say something like this was when Taly was town, you were scum - both in a Newbie game, and you destroyed town as a perfect mafia win.

If you can't even explain your own suspicions, then could you at least give a more coherent strip of your thought process right now?

In post 170, goodmorning wrote:I don't think 33 and 78 look scripted.
I do think 169 looks scripted.
Hmm.

OK, so you disagree with the idea that someone's posts are scripted even when they admit that themselves in post 173

Instead of communicating why you disagreed (Like actual town who are trying to figure shit out), you then accuse that the post that calls out the person who
ADMITTED
to what they did wrong - is scripted, and that instead of verifying why you thought it was scripted, you basically just said -"Hmm, doesn't look good."

GM, can you explain all of this Trivium white-knighting?

Why are you coming at us with the idea that we are scripted in our responses, but then you haven't even noted against the past 3 people that have jumped on the Trivium suspicion/wagon for similar - if not almost the exact same reasoning that you're trying to argue?

I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at GM, and you're giving me even more ideas that you - and possibly Trivium, are scumbuddies.

The Fire Hermit wrote:
In post 167, Brunneis wrote:161

Also, to the people who have thrown suspicion on me but haven't stated anything beyond that
(Which is about 3: Ranger, (One Half?) Of Fire Hermit, and probably someone else I forgot to mention.)

My other head has been pretty quiet on why he thinks you are scum.
I find you are often mislynch bait so I am very hesitant to put votes on you till I know for a fact you have like 80% chance of flipping scum.

Unlike most people where I would put a vote if I thought the odds are good enough to be 50%.

This tends to happen to both heads of this hydra -
(very much moreso towards Taly)
- usually because we've caught at least 1 or 2 scum as town but people since Taly is usually ALONE, there's a lot more people willing to mislynch than look at all possibilities.

But I digress, when your partner decides that town relies on efficient communication to work out who is what, then I'll be all ears to hear what about me is scummy.

Brunneis · Post Post #183 (isolation #15) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:45 am

You know what

3 hydras, we all should just expect alt slips palooza.

so h5ej5taefwdrhtge >_>

Brunneis · Post Post #194 (isolation #16) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:31 am

In post 174, The Fire Hermit wrote:
Hermit and Fire are a pair to be reckoned with.

umm, no.

Brunneis · Post Post #195 (isolation #17) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:34 am

In post 184, The Fire Hermit wrote:Okay, so you are Taly?
What a reinforcement of my previous scumread on you!

I am more interested in finding the best association lynch today, so Trivium is not really that interesting.

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #196 (isolation #18) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:38 am

In post 188, goodmorning wrote:Found it!
Warning: ridiculous amounts of anger ahead!

I read that game when I was new here. It was a nightmare.

Kling

Brunneis · Post Post #197 (isolation #19) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:40 am

In post 189, The Fire Hermit wrote:
I, for one, am not necessarily entirely convinced you aren't idiots.

I am an idiot! Just an idiot with a really high town win rate.
That is why I play the game, because I feel so accomplished when I catch scum.

Firebringer is pretty good at this game too. He has a different style of playing, whereas I mostly do things independently in my head, which is probably why I don't get along too well here.

If that ^ ^ ^ is really Constantine, you get in trouble here because you troll too much, post content too rarely, then flake out of games.

Pisses me off, you're too smart to play so badly.

Brunneis · Post Post #198 (isolation #20) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:46 am

In post 193, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Scum doesn't defend scum on D1. Not like that, anyways. It just... It really doesn't happen. Brunneis ( I'm not remembering how to spell it right now) going for the GM and Triv scum theory seems kind of shortsighted.

That's not my only problem, but I haven't noted post numbers right now. I'll do it on my laptop later.

Maxwell, weren't you in Star Trek DS9?

Scum will do whatever they can to keep their teammates alive as long as possible. Sure, there's busing, but that should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Brunneis · Post Post #199 (isolation #21) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:47 am

I'll be back late this afternoon or evening if I'm still awake.

Brunneis · Post Post #227 (isolation #22) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:35 am

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:The reason I do so well as Mafia is because the things I say as Mafia are the exact same as the things I say as Town. I've been reasonably decent at deceit recently, if I do say so myself.
Thought process about what?

That doesn't make me feel better about my suspicions on you...

Well, I've yet to get a defined reason on peoples scumread on me, and since you already stated that it's difficult for you to explain yourself about that - then I don't understand what you're thinking, so anything you could say beside rebutting my argument and implicating what I say is fake would be a nice start.

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:Editing your posts to death isn't the same as scripting them, especially given that your definition of 'scripted' seems to me to connote some amount of 'feigned emotion.' Trivium's posts don't seem to have that particular quality of fakeness to them.

I looked more at his posts and the game you referenced, I can see more and more that Trivium is town. But I don't understand why when in 169and 170 - you then posted that the push against Trivium and the idea that you're a scum buddy - that my other half started - was scripted.

I just don't know why whenever we jumped on the Trivium wagon, you said that our initial post was 'scripted'

Right after you said you couldn't explain yourself in your read about me, and said that you're still trying to explain yourself when you've provided nothing else about why you thought it was scripted, why you haven't even acted on your suspicions of Trivium, and why you're giving ideas to throw suspicion on me without even looking at the posts that we referenced that made us feel uncertain about Trivium.

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:
Because they aren't scripted in their posts? Because they haven't been rubbing me the wrong way since page 1? Because the narrative that I give a shit about a wagon on Trivium is entirely fabricated by you in an attempt to scumread me for fucking whiteknighting, of all things?

So your reasoning behind saying that our push on Trivium and our GM+Triv idea is scripted...

Is because you've thought we were scripted this entire time - as opposed to several other people in this game that has pushed someone else for whatever reason? OK, this is not only inaccurate, but this entire thing feels weird - and this is partially why I'm suspicious of you, GM. Not only because I'm apparently "fabricating" the idea that there are inconsistencies with you and Trivium.

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:This doesn't make grammatical sense, which weirdly makes me more inclined to think you're Scum? I can't be scumbuddies alone, and I know we were hoping we'd pull Scum together...

Um, did I miss something? I stated that you and Trivium are possibly scumbuddies. That's all.

I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at GM, and you're giving me even more ideas that you - and possibly Trivium, are scumbuddies.

What doesn't make sense about this?

But yeah, pulling scum for once in eternity would have been nice - sadly, that isn't the case here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In post 190, Ranger wrote:Brunneis: you asked for reasoning, but it will have to wait. I'm a bit tired today, sorry.

It's OK Ranger, I understand.

But also, I'm sensing a pattern here - whenever I'm asking anyone for some sort of reasoning or explanation, nobody has really given any. This makes me really uncertain about my reads on several of you. (Again, I'm not picking on you Ranger - I'm speaking in general.)

The IC and GM have given little about their suspicions of me, especially 1 half of Fire Hermit... >_>

Varsoon and Ika have done little more than fluff posting.

And I really haven't looked at enough from others to give a definitive read. There is quite a lack of communication, and this bothers me.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

More of my thoughts on the other posts will be coming soon - I assure you all. I just have to go driving road-practicing for the second time.... I'm scared half to death, and socially drained since I just got back from a 6 hour long gaming/writing session...

Brunneis · Post Post #237 (isolation #23) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:09 am

In post 205, makara wrote:
In post 195, Brunneis wrote:
In post 184, The Fire Hermit wrote:Okay, so you are Taly?
What a reinforcement of my previous scumread on you!

I am more interested in finding the best association lynch today, so Trivium is not really that interesting.

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

Klingoncelt

Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?

Associative,

mostly

. Plus reasons.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #239 (isolation #24) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:12 am

In post 206, goodmorning wrote:
In post 195, Brunneis wrote:Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

You should get Taly to respond to my responses instead of taking passive-aggressive shots, possibly.

Taly and I are on at different times. Don't worry, he has plenty to say when he rolls in.

Brunneis · Post Post #240 (isolation #25) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:16 am

In post 206, goodmorning wrote:

In post 204, makara wrote:I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?

Everything.

Also if they flip Scum that post looks bad.

Everything?

That's a classic bullshit response.

It's even more obvious bullshit when the "if" modifier is added in.

If you really thought we were Scum, because Everything, you would have said "when," not "if."

List your reasons for calling us Scum. Everything one of them.

Brunneis · Post Post #241 (isolation #26) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:23 am

In post 228, The Fire Hermit wrote:This is semi-important, or I wouldn't ask. Who wrote that post, Brunneis?

My posts are usually pretty short. Taly's are longer and more detailed. Plus I'm in the habit of signing.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #242 (isolation #27) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:25 am

In post 226, The Fire Hermit wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7312157#p7312157]post 227[/url], St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I just do not like having to keep changing accounts

I am going to be more sympathetic towards hydra slipping after this game

The goddamn irony!

I use different backgrounds for the alts & hydras. Helps keep me sorted.

Brunneis · Post Post #243 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:44 am

In post 230, MaxwellPuckett wrote:The way Brunneis speaks is what bothers me, but I think thats already been addressed by goodmorning above.

The 'i'm not picking on you, Ranger' thing, especially. Like, it looks like you're trying to make sure Ranger (or someone else) doesn't accuse you of something. It rubs me the wrong way.

Thank you for this, it clears up a lot.

Taly is indeed nervous about being mislynched. He's fairly new, and we all know that as noobs we wanted to be the ones to lead Town to a Great Victory, all hail! Getting mislynched Day1 sucks, bites, eats, and blows. I hate to see my other head wagoned, he's fookin' brilliant. Where I come from a fine mind's as rare as gold-pressed latinum.

I'm not too keen on getting mislynched myself. It's a regular thing for me, I'm low-hanging fruit. I'm also damn good at finding Scum, so they don't want me around. If I'm not the Day1 mislynch I'm the Night1 kill.

Varsoon and Ika know how I think as Scum and as Town. They've not only played both alignments with me, they've modded both alignments as well. Varsoon can tell you, if I were Scum, Town would have lost already, the carnage would be horrific, the streets would run with blood, heads on pikes at the city gates, you get the picture.

Kling

Brunneis · Post Post #244 (isolation #29) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:47 am

In post 238, Vedith wrote:
In post 236, Errantparabola wrote:I dont think that ranger not adding to the wagon is true, i think he was the original proponent of my death.

So he started on your wagon and started productive, then he moved onto others and stopped focusing you and then questions why the wagon fell apart?

Do you not see my point here?

I see it.

It's not a good look...

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #245 (isolation #30) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:48 am

This game's been running a week and there are only 10 pages?

Weak.

Brunneis · Post Post #258 (isolation #31) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:34 pm

This is a long post. So I put spoilers to organize who I'm speaking to.

In any case, I recommend EVERYONE reads them.

Spoiler: For goodmorning (Today WAS a goodmorning, thank you.)

Spoiler: For Trivium

In post 252, Varsoon wrote:Not sure how to handle the reachout to me, Klingon/Brunneis.

I have a lot of experience with you but I typically don't rely on meta and I can't say I'm confident in reading you based on experience alone.

Well, you've seen Town-Taly twice. Are you confident in reading that head of the hydra?

Also, what do you think about Ika so far?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not pleased with the quick deterioration of the Errant wagon, and my wagon taking a great leap. (Especially without a main explanation as to why.) It makes me think that

AT LEAST ONE

of the scum are on my wagon.

Am I at L-3, or L-2 now?

Also, is Gray alive? Has Duppin even been prodded?

Brunneis · Post Post #270 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:19 am

In post 269, Trivium wrote:wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Taly and I are not 100% in agreement.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #271 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:34 am

In post 230, MaxwellPuckett wrote:The way Brunneis speaks is what bothers me, but I think thats already been addressed by goodmorning above.

The 'i'm not picking on you, Ranger' thing, especially. Like, it looks like you're trying to make sure Ranger (or someone else) doesn't accuse you of something. It rubs me the wrong way.

In post 227, Brunneis wrote:
In post 186, goodmorning wrote:The reason I do so well as Mafia is because the things I say as Mafia are the exact same as the things I say as Town. I've been reasonably decent at deceit recently, if I do say so myself.
Thought process about what?

That doesn't make me feel better about my suspicions on you...

In post 229, goodmorning wrote:

In post 227, Brunneis wrote:But yeah, pulling scum for once in eternity would have been nice - sadly, that isn't the case here.

This sentence doesn't do anything at all to reassure me.

Putting these two quotes side by side makes for a good laugh, huh?
I'm not sure what to make of it, I'm leaning toward it just being coincidence that both of you decided to say these things. But still, heh.

This is why Taly and I are having problems with Goodmorning.

There's that 1% chance that he's Town, and that he's thinking as we are. And a 98% chance that he's Scum trying to twist everything around. 1% other.

Kling

Brunneis · Post Post #272 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:46 am

In post 246, Trivium wrote:

I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

Myself I usually don't have to do a lot of posting Day1. I watch and read others. (That's just me, Taly's more hands-on.) But I am scumhunting.

I'm pretty sure that Maxwell and Ika are Town. Duppin, too.

FireHermit and Brunnies are Town.

That leaves a pool of:
Errantparabola - possibly Town
Goodmorning
Gray Foxxxx
Makara
Ranger - FoS for weird bailing on Errant wagon
Trivium
Varsoon
Vedith

So, I'll go ahead and build a case for/against each one of them. Stand by.

Brunneis · Post Post #274 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:56 am

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:The reason I do so well as Mafia is because the things I say as Mafia are the exact same as the things I say as Town. I've been reasonably decent at deceit recently, if I do say so myself.

Good to know.

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:

In post 240, Brunneis wrote:
List your reasons for calling us Scum. Everything one of them.

1. Everything.
2. etc.

[/quote]

Very funny.

Please attempt to build a case on us.

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:Actually you've just reminded me that Taly was super townreadable in the game I had with him. Like, yeah, I was Mafia, but like I said, I'd have townread him anyway.
So why should Taly, if Town, be worried about being lynched? If you're actually Town he should be expecting me to pick up on that sooner rather than later and swoop to the rescue in Helios' magic chariot.

Unless you're Scum trying to get him mislynched...

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:

In post 246, Trivium wrote:
I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

Just like a good little Scumbuddy should...

Brunneis · Post Post #276 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:16 am

In post 252, Varsoon wrote:Not sure how to handle the reachout to me, Klingon/Brunneis.

I have a lot of experience with you but I typically don't rely on meta and I can't say I'm confident in reading you based on experience alone.

Because our Classic Rock Scum game was my Scum meta 100%. I like the idea of thinking so far out of the box that we're actually in another dimension. It's not so much meta as it is personality. You're the same way. (I'm going to create an alt called Cletus O'Batshit someday.)

See, as Town I can't have nearly so much fun. There's that Special Snowflake type that wants everyone out of the game but themselves so they can take credit for winning (and blame the losses on dead players or the mod,) and there are the Robot Droids that play strictly by the book and are soul-crushingly dull, there are the NoobDerps that can't get into the meta variations this site has, and there are the Scum that do everything they can to lead a mislynch. The Snowflakes, Droids, and Derps will happily follow the Scum into Perdition.
So I have to rein myself in to an uncomfortable degree as Town. This ain't my Scum game, kids. (One of these days I'm going to create a trollol alt called Cletus O'Batshit so I can have some fun as Town.)

Klingon

Brunneis · Post Post #277 (isolation #37) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:18 am

In post 264, makara wrote:
In post 237, Brunneis wrote:
In post 205, makara wrote:

Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?

Associative,
mostly
. Plus reasons.

Klingoncelt

Please elaborate.

I can't. Ongoing games reasons.

Brunneis · Post Post #278 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:20 am

In post 265, duppin wrote:Alright I'm back.

My initial read was actually Trivium and Brunneis as scum partners. That is why I asked Trivium what he thought about them, but based on what has happened now I'd say that is unlikely.
I do however still believe there is a scum between the two of them, just not entirely sure I believe it is Brunneis.

Kling please convince me you guys aren't scum.

Proving innocence isn't easy. What would you like to know?

Brunneis · Post Post #279 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:21 am

In post 275, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Taly, please stop making me want to lynch you!

Are you talking to Taly's posts, or mine?

Kling

Brunneis · Post Post #286 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:53 am

Here it is, the Klingon head reads list:

READS:

Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.

Makara - Nothing pinging my Scumdar, seems to be asking good questions... Town

Maxwell Puckett - Is analyzing posts, paying attention... Town

Duppin - His low-volume posting is reasonably normal meta. Shows interest only in Trivium and us. I find that curious. Otherwise Lean Town

Vedith - Not much posting, but no negative pings... Lean Town.

Errantparabola - Naturally defensive about her wagon. Odd push on Makara's reaction early in game. Null.

Gray Foxxxx - Neither is spelled wrong in his sig. ISO is... vacant. Null.

Varsoon - Not much going on there. Null

Ranger - Scores a couple of Town points, but skips out on things... the Errant thing wasn't good. Lean Scum

Goodmorning - Falsely claims that Errant wants credit for ending RVS, calls RVS/pressure votes "boring," says he could vote Trivium but never does, claims Errant screwed around with the reaction testing because Errant's Scum, wk's Trivium lots, answers questions directed at Trivium, coaches Trivium lots, SCUM

Trivium - Major issues with reaction tests, posts 79 and105 whiteknighting Goodmorning, SCUM

Brunneis · Post Post #288 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:59 am

In post 275, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Taly, please stop making me want to lynch you!

I haven't even heard your underlying problem with my posts, or why I scum up this slot. So I don't know what to say to you.

Besides me, who else do you think would be a good lynch so far?

In post 283, Trivium wrote:
In post 253, MaxwellPuckett wrote:I disagree with Trivium's arguments against Brunneis, and it makes me pause. It's hard to explain, but Trivium is saying that Brunneis should be trying to advance the game, instead of trying to 'look town'? Usually when scum want to look town, they try to ask questions, share reads, etc. Or, well.. Basically I don't like Trivium's case, and it makes me second-guess myself on Brunneis. Like, accusing then of trying to look town while also saying that they should be doing more to advance the game... There's no other way to look town without doing the latter, is there?

What I've written here isn't accurately conveying my thoughts, but I don't know how to word it. Also, quotes Brunneis' vote of them before voting Brunneis.. Why did you do that, Trivium?

Pedit:

Goodmorning, about those two quotes, I wouldn't call yours self-incriminating. More confident, certainly. Brunneis' was kind of sloppy, whereas yours had more of that self-assuredness that makes you appear a stronger player, and also kind of makes me nervous.

I'd taken it as a coincidence, and I expected you to either agree, or to say something about how close the two quotes are to each other in terms of time. Instead, you called attention to what each quote represents, and how yours is 'incriminating'... Which, to me, reads 'look, I'm not nervous and I'm not always assuring everyone that I'm town'. A very roundabout way of doing so, but in the end, you've still quoted yourself to say that you're more town than Brunneis.

I could have condensed that into a sentence, probably. My posting style is still full of redundancy.

I quoted brunneis's vote on me because I was going to say that I didn't like it because goodmorning doesn't act towards me like a scumpartner would, but I never got to doing that. I get that looking town is a side affect of being town, but I feel like brunneis's posts are geared more toward LOOKING town than BEING town and doing actual town things.

Did you read my post directed EXACTLY to you? 258

In post 284, Trivium wrote:
If I am ever scum again
, I am totally going to use obviously stupid reasoning against my scumbuddy to make people think I'm wrong. I think that would actually work.

Um....

again?

Am I the only one that cringes at this?

Errantparabola wrote:
In post 281, Trivium wrote:
Why aren't you? Is there something wrong with that particular school of thought in this case?

This is why i want varsoon to clarify his stance on my wagon. Varsoon later states hes fine lynching in you me and brunneis, if i recall correctly

Ranger said it, Varsoon agreed. 259 and 260

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Seeing a lot of posts coming just as I am submitting this.

But this head of the hydra has things to do right now - so I'll be back later.

Brunneis · Post Post #313 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:33 am

In post 287, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:Ranger - FoS for weird bailing on Errant wagon
What.

I'm THE driving force behind the Errant wagon. I voted Errant early and haven't moved my vote since then, with Errant always as my #1 scumread.

Klingon here.

I misinterpreted something, then. You were on the Errant wagon, but later you started talking about GM, Trivium, and us.

A lot of players will leave their vote on someone they aren't interested in any longer while they decide who to switch to.

Brunneis · Post Post #314 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:36 am

In post 290, GrayFoxxxx wrote:My daughter decided to me born a month early tonight. :')
Gotta vla for 4 days.

Congrats from both our heads!

We hope she and her mom are doing well.

Brunneis · Post Post #320 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:54 am

In post 295, Vedith wrote:
In post 286, Brunneis wrote:Vedith - Not much posting, but no negative pings... Lean Town.

Varsoon - Not much going on there. Null

Ummm, any reason that I go lean town for not posting and Varsoon goes null?
I mean, are there any negative pings from Varsoon?

[/quote]

With you I'm not getting any negative pings.

With Varsoon I'm getting a combination of Town/Scum pings.

In post 295, Vedith wrote:

In post 286, Brunneis wrote:Makara - Nothing pinging my Scumdar, seems to be asking good questions... Town

Talk to me about Makara.
Makara seems to be asking good questions? Now, I'm looking over his questions... It's asking why for votes most the time or why someone has said something.
Asking why is just a generic question.

"why?"
"I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?"
"Trivium - can you respond to this. What did you find scummy in particular about my reaction test?"
"Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?"
"I don't get this. How exactly does Trivium using flawed reasoning to push Brunneis make Brunneis less scummy?"

These are very empty questions if you ask me.

[/quote]

They at least get the conversation going and get players to explain themselves. This is only Day 1 after all, so I'm not looking for anything too profound to happen.

In post 295, Vedith wrote:

In post 286, Brunneis wrote:Ranger - Scores a couple of Town points, but skips out on things... the Errant thing wasn't good. Lean Scum

Talk to me about this.

[/quote]

In post 49 He says: "Errant following my vote made me instantly think she was scum." He looks around at other players, deciding who else is Scum. At the time it looked like his vote on Errant was Ranger going after easy pickings and being dismayed that his low-hanging fruit wasn't mislynched.

That's been cleared up, Ranger insists that he thinks Errant is Scum, so...

Ranger missed out on answering some questions.

Does your other head agree with any of these reads?

Other than that, I do quite like the scum reads... I'm just not sold on Trivium as much as I am GM, and I'm always a fan of thinking that when a scummy looking person gives 2 scum names, the first is town and the second is scum.
Would you be happy with a GM lynch? As I like that slot for voting.

We're in general agreement, more or less.

I can go with either GM or Trivium.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #321 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:57 am

In post 301, The Fire Hermit wrote:Close enough

Let's lynch Brunneis today. Look at Makara and Vedith tommorow.

Shaddup, Hermit. I've fucking had it with you.

You're supposed to be the fucking Town Leader, but you're nothing but a dumbass troll.

If you aren't going to help Town, then fucking lurk for the rest of the game. With any luck you'll be an early NK.

Brunneis · Post Post #322 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:58 am

^ Klingon ^

Brunneis · Post Post #325 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:01 pm

In post 313, goodmorning wrote:
In post 286, Brunneis wrote:Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.

You're going to townread him based on WIFOM?
Newsflash: people claim Scum as Scum all the time. It doesn't go against anyone's wincon.

The last time I saw a scummy claim her alignment she got modkilled and ate a ban.

Kc

Brunneis · Post Post #326 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:02 pm

In post 317, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 274, Brunneis wrote:

In post 186, goodmorning wrote:

In post 246, Trivium wrote:
I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

Just like a good little Scumbuddy should...

What would you say if GM didn't townread trivium?

But he did, so...

Brunneis · Post Post #328 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:04 pm

In post 324, The Fire Hermit wrote:I just want to make a note, last time I played with Klingon and she used AtE she was scum....
Just making that as a note.

I don't do AtE.

You two really need to replace out.

Brunneis · Post Post #329 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:05 pm

In post 328, The Fire Hermit wrote:I could definitely see Ika being scum.
Especially with association now to Brunneis.

Fire

I repeat, you two really need to replace out.

Kc

Brunneis · Post Post #373 (isolation #51) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:00 pm

Finally gotten around to post my part, this week has been an emotional rollercoaster, and I'm still a bit busy... :/

In post 289, Trivium wrote:
I read it, but my opinion is that none of them are very helpful for me to come up with scumreads.

Well, I have a very similar feeling back at you, does that mean I'm scum because of it?

In post 328, The Fire Hermit wrote:I could definitely see Ika being scum.
Especially with association now to Brunneis.

Fire

Not quite; I haven't gotten the chance to speak my say on the readslist.

I agree with Klingon, but I don't see Ika as town, and I don't like how Gray looks either.

And even though I agree with the rest of her townreads, Max is the only townread I am pretty confident about.

In post 333, The Fire Hermit wrote:Brunneis (Klingon)
I am going to level with you, I don't think you are scum like my other head does.
I think you are town, I wanted to test you a bit on reactions. I don't like your reactions at all, but I think they seem genuine althought that has fooled me before.

I don't like your scum reads, the only one I agree on is Trivium. I think one on GM is bad and Ranger is pretty obv town.

Thats where I am at right now,

-Fire

@Firebringer

I know you wanted Kling to respond, but you, Max, makara, and every other lurker in the game are the only people who haven't stated that my (Taly's posts) posts as either scummy, useless, or "just to

defend myself and push others

- clear myself as town" - so I feel like I could speak to you.

But my vote is on Trivium. Personally, I am not liking the idea of GM being town, and I've seen games where early aggressive "town" have flipped scum, so I can't say Ranger is town either. Trivium has bugged both heads of this hydra the entire game - and I don't really trust what they say because I keep picking up some very odd phrases - and I don't think people are acknowledging that.

(Which I've stated some in 288)

I'm not going to argue with your other head, Fire. It has been inquired on why he thinks I'm scummy - by myself - most of all, but nobody has gotten a reply - and he likes to think that their 3rd vote on my wagon is the one that is leading my wagon. The only thing I understand about this is that it is harming town, but I'm not excusing anything I - my other head - or anyone else who could have contributed to that.

In any case, the deadline is in 2 1/2 days, I believe. We need to begin solidifying our votes

>>>>

And I'm speaking to everyone with this statement.

I'm not opposed to a Varsoon lynch if nobody sees Trivium a conducive enough lynch to push against him at this point.

And yeah.... This is where

I am at

, right now.

Brunneis · Post Post #377 (isolation #52) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:33 pm

In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7321353#p7321353]post 350[/url], St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
I had never asked anyone to defend me. I am more than capable of standing my own ground without others weighing their opinions in. My stance on the issue of myself, is that myself should not be an issue. I cannot understand for the life of me why I happen to be a public issue on this site.

You have no ground to stand on. Because you're a shitty player. You trollol post, fluff post, waste everyone's time post, then you flake. Once in a while you make a decent post with content.
When others bitched about you I was all 'yeah, but he'll grow up and behave, just let him get it put of his system, give him another chance...'
I stood up for you when others wanted you blacklisted. Do you owe me any favors for that? No. I'm just letting you know I won't stand in the way of anyone wanting to blacklist you anymore.

I have been quite vocal about toxicity and attacking/mentioning players negatively inside the game enviornment, which is what you are doing now, and doing that makes this feel more like a chore than a game. In any other place I would just shrug it off, but it does get to me when I am in these situations in which I cannot ignore, with the whole purpose of being involved to have fun.

You having fun shouldn't mean making others hate the game. You make me hate this game.

People have expressed sentiment about not liking players who do not take every single post ultra seriously, but this does not have to be an ultra serious game, and since the goal of loosening up a bit and trying to goof around is to make the game possess a lighter enviornment, then so be it.

Goofing around does not mean naked voting players to start a trollol wagon just for the lulz.

Like it or not as an Innocent Child you are looked upon as somewhat of a Town Leader. Quit playing against your win condition, or I'll have no choice but to report you and request a force replace. I've never done that before. Your play sucks that bad, Constantine.

You think I'm Scum? Build a goddamn case, then.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #378 (isolation #53) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:36 pm

In post 354, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:ONE MORE THING...

I was just thinking that for Klingoncelts rage to be serious, she would have to be equally angry at Ika and other slots which have lurked up to now and offered much less than I have, even if some of my posts are not exactly super serious.

Try signing up for any game I signed up for. WotC. The rage couldn't be more real.

Too bad FB couldn't muzzle you.

Brunneis · Post Post #379 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:41 pm

In post 356, Vedith wrote:
In post 322, Brunneis wrote:You're supposed to be the fucking Town Leader, but you're nothing but a dumbass troll.

Since when did an IC have more knowledge than us? It's day 1, you won't ever have everyone with the exact opinion, regardless if confirmed town or not.

Who said anything about knowledge?

Leading isn't the same as informing.

The IC is someone we should be able to rally around, someone that can help sort out the information we get.

Instead we have to cater to a short bus riding asshat that's distracting Town rather than helping.

Constantine and Firebringer are smart enough, they should be

more

useful.

Brunneis · Post Post #380 (isolation #55) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:45 pm

In post 379, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Brunneis

You wouldn't take the path of least resistance as town.
At least, I don't think so.

Ika wagon is also worthwhile and I'd support it, but more for pressure reasons, like, get your head in the game son.

Votecount?

What do you mean by path of least resistance?

Klingn

Brunneis · Post Post #399 (isolation #56) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:21 am

In post 389, The Fire Hermit wrote:
In post 373, Brunneis wrote:

@Firebringer

I know you wanted Kling to respond, but you, Max, makara, and every other lurker in the game are the only people who haven't stated that my (Taly's posts) posts as either scummy, useless, or "just to
defend myself and push others
- clear myself as town" - so I feel like I could speak to you.

But my vote is on Trivium. Personally, I am not liking the idea of GM being town, and I've seen games where early aggressive "town" have flipped scum, so I can't say Ranger is town either. Trivium has bugged both heads of this hydra the entire game - and I don't really trust what they say because I keep picking up some very odd phrases - and I don't think people are acknowledging that.
(Which I've stated some in 288)

I'm not going to argue with your other head, Fire. It has been inquired on why he thinks I'm scummy - by myself - most of all, but nobody has gotten a reply - and he likes to think that their 3rd vote on my wagon is the one that is leading my wagon. The only thing I understand about this is that it is harming town, but I'm not excusing anything I - my other head - or anyone else who could have contributed to that.

In any case, the deadline is in 2 1/2 days, I believe. We need to begin solidifying our votes
>>>>
And I'm speaking to everyone with this statement.

I'm not opposed to a Varsoon lynch if nobody sees Trivium a conducive enough lynch to push against him at this point.

And yeah.... This is where
I am at
, right now.

Can you explain how Varsoon is a better lynch than you or Trivium?

Not in great detail - but there are some things, Klingon and I already believed that Varsoon is playing to a scum-meta we've seen a few times as individual players. We've gone back and forth on our read on him and we're still uncertain of it now.

Varsoon hasn't pushed discussion much, and he doesn't have a lot of useful content

Not sure what post, but Errant caught some inconsistencies on Varsoon - it just makes me think even more that Varsoon could be scum.

I'd still much rather lynch Trivium today, but nobody has really thrown a vote on Trivium, nor has he been that responsive these past few pages. I'm going off of alternatives here.

Plus, I kind of wanted to bring the discussion of a Varsoon lynch because some people already thought of it, and I wanted to see Varsoon try to interact with me to gain some certainty on a read from him.

In post 391, The Fire Hermit wrote:
In post 377, Brunneis wrote:
Goofing around does not mean naked voting players to start a trollol wagon just for the lulz.

Like it or not as an Innocent Child you are looked upon as somewhat of a Town Leader. Quit playing against your win condition, or I'll have no choice but to report you and request a force replace. I've never done that before. Your play sucks that bad, Constantine.

You think I'm Scum? Build a goddamn case, then.

Klingoncelt

Seriously this and other posts are going a bit too far.
Hermit has other ways of scumhunting, most of them are reaction testing.
All your AtE at the moment has not increased my perception you are town.
Ignore Hermit if you want, try to scumhunt if you are town.

We are distracting from the game with this stupid drama.

-Fire

Klingon is infuriated, and I actually feel very similar.

Even though she could execute the thought better, nobody has really brought up a case against me or Klingoncelt. A lot of the scumreads are unexplained, either painted my posts as scummy and useless, or Klingon as using AtE which is scummy for her meta. (Which I don't believe at all.)

Brunneis · Post Post #423 (isolation #57) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:36 am

In post 417, goodmorning wrote:
Vote: Brunneis

Once again, Goodmorning comes to Trivium's rescue.

Brunneis · Post Post #447 (isolation #58) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:10 pm

Klingon here - Vanilla Town.

GoodMorning is protecting Trivium. There's a fair bit of associative tell between the two, but if you ISO them, you'll see that Trivium is more valuable to GoodMorning than GM is to Trivium.

I bet Trivium is nowhere near Vanilla.

Brunneis · Post Post #448 (isolation #59) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:11 pm

Why did the board say my post was in an invalid form?

Anyone else having trouble with the board going wonky?

Brunneis · Post Post #449 (isolation #60) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:11 pm

...and the sig disappeared... ?

Brunneis · Post Post #454 (isolation #61) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:33 pm

When do you go to bed?

Why not just do it now?

Where's the Ikahammer?

Brunneis · Post Post #456 (isolation #62) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:51 pm

I think she's bluffing.

Brunneis · Post Post #458 (isolation #63) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:29 pm

4 hours, 31 minutes...

Brunneis · Post Post #461 (isolation #64) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:16 pm

In post 459, Ranger wrote:
makara wrote:@Ranger - what is your rationale for scumreading errant?
I already explained my reasoning for scumreading Errant.

Nothing has changed my opinion since my 49. In fact, because of what I pointed out in 223/259, the read has only grown stronger. I very much find the Errant wagon's dissolution suspect.

I may vote Trivium if needed, but otherwise, would much prefer my vote on Errant.

When there were only 4 hours left in the Day?

Brunneis · Post Post #462 (isolation #65) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:17 pm

Thanks, Ika.

Brunneis · Post Post #463 (isolation #66) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:17 pm

Klingoncelt^^^

Brunneis · Post Post #527 (isolation #67) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:59 pm

In post 473, The Fire Hermit wrote:Scum screwed up nightkilling two possible mislynches. Really bad play.

Scum team is Brunneis, Makara, and Varsoon.
Bet firebringers life on it.

Constantine, I can't believe you'd say something that stupid.

Brunneis · Post Post #529 (isolation #68) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:13 pm

In post 475, Varsoon wrote:Fuck it.
You guys solve the setup.
Here's what I know we have:
1-Shot Cop (GM, dead)
Doctor (Me)
Serial Killer (Two kills were made)
Scum Roleblocker (I protected GM last night, the protect was blocked because GM is dead--you can only have a Serial Killer in this setup with a scum roleblocker or more T rolls than are allowed given what we have already.)
Innocent Child (FireHermit)

So it is at least
CDMT

Although I am hedging my bets that it is
CCDMTTT

Regardless, I am dead tonight.
There's no use in the other town role claiming because scum has a roleblocker and there are two kills.

What a load of wank.

I hope the real Doctor isn't stupid enough to counterclaim.

Varsoon, do you forget that I was your Scum Buddy in that game where you fakeclaimed Cop on Day3?

You know better than to throw out a claim on Day 2 unless you're at L-1.

There's no indication that there's a Serial Killer, we could have a Vig.

If there is a Serial Killer then Town or Scum would have a RoleCop, no? You didn't mention that.

Also, Town would need more PRs that just a Cop and a Doc.

What do the C,M,D,T mean?

VOTE: Varsoon

Brunneis · Post Post #530 (isolation #69) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:14 pm

In post 485, The Fire Hermit wrote:Varsoon, I do hope you know that the lack of a counterclaim in an unknown set-up does not confirm you as town.

The only smart thing you've said this whole game.

Brunneis · Post Post #531 (isolation #70) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:17 pm

In post 504, Varsoon wrote:Regardless, we have, at minimum, in the case of a mass-claim, three town confirmed players.

No, we have 4 confirmed Town.

3 of them are dead.

The IC hydra is the 4th.

Brunneis · Post Post #532 (isolation #71) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:31 pm

In post 528, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Yo Brun, still discussing your death over here. Thoughts on the events of today? Like, Varsoon's claim, a massclaim, the votes on you, the votes off you?

My thoughts on Varsoon are in post 529.

A masssclaim on Day 2 is idiotic. Completely unnecessary.

It does nothing but point out targets for Scum NKs.

There was/is no need to Doc Fire Hermit, their trollish, anti-Town behavior guarantees that they won't be killed until right before LyLo. They're too helpful to Scum.

The votes on us? The one from FireHermit is pure idiocy. The rest? Count on Scum being part of those votes.

By the way, Taly is V/LA for a day or two, this will be the Klingon head.

Brunneis · Post Post #536 (isolation #72) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:08 am

This is Taly, everyone. And this is also one of the few times I'll identify myself

Hey everyone - my computer charger isn't working so I'm running off a siblings. I didn't expect it, but I'm off school today for several reasons so I have bit of time to post some of my current thoughts.

A Vedith and GM kill? Odd... GM was opposed to us, but Vedith's vote was on GM at the end of the day 464

Something isn't right with this picture. However, I refuse to do any set-up specing until we see some flips.

In post 474, Ranger wrote:
The Fire Hermit wrote:Scum team is Brunneis, Makara, and Varsoon. Bet firebringers life on it.
Varsoon is 100% town, I'm afraid, so you are wrong there, but you can be right about the other two. (Honestly, I actually hope you are. It'd make my job much easier.)

GrayFox wrote:I haven't caught all the way up yet, so could you explain this to me?
Sure. Absolutely nothing has changed since 459 which was a post where I said nothing had changed. Errant remains the best lynch.

I'll admit I don't know who the other scum are (you're a possibility, I'm considering makara, I do have my eye on Brunneis, but otherwise I don't), but Errant remains every bit the scum she was yesterday.

It's been 500+ posts and you still believe Errant is the best lynch?

I'm sorry, but I keep looking at your ISO and not seeing a consistent amount of reasoning against Errant to suggest tunneling.... Which I've yet to see town do.

So could you please explain this bit by bit to me? Why is Errant still the best lynch even after the flips from others we saw previously?

In post 190, Ranger wrote:Brunneis: you asked for reasoning, but it will have to wait. I'm a bit tired today, sorry.

I'm waiting.

In post 471, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 467, Ranger wrote:Nothing has changed this:
VOTE: Errantparabola.

I haven't caught all the way up yet, so could you explain this to me?

Nothing has changed with his reasoning, that's the point.

In post 518, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@ika

Why don't you think we should mass claim?

Why should we? I've never been in this type of game before, but there are way too many possibilities for set-up theory to know what this game is like based off only 3 flips and 1 conf-town.

In post 524, GrayFoxxxx wrote:UNVOTE:
I still think you could be scum, but i would like your current read on brunn.

VOTE: Brunn

Going back to original vote

So.... You say someone could be scum but unvote them.

And then revert back to your original vote? Assuming you haven't really caught up too much with the game?

OK--I don't even understand exactly why I'm scum, but you're giving me all the signs that your vote is to just conceal a lynch today.

>>>

@Varsoon

I'm impressed Varsoon, you magically started posting more the past 2 days in this dayphase than you have in the entire two-week long D1 phase.

Also Varsoon, I don't really understand why you seemed to be very upset about the vote... Klingon did ask about what CDMT meant...

So you responded with voting for us because it's scummy that we voted for you and didn't understand you?

What's the purpose of 534? This looks like you're just re-iterating your vote and then painting our D1 performance scummy as well to back-up your read on us without any answer to the question - which is weird since you never really pushed us in D1 other than voting us because we wouldn't have a lot of resistance.

>>>>

Also, I forgot duppin was in this game.

Are you there, duppin?

Brunneis · Post Post #543 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:35 am

In post 537, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@brunn
I really don't know about the mass claim thing, hence me asking ika.

What do you mean conceal a lynch? Sorry for my ignorance, but I've never heard that before.

Conceal a lynch... Putting a vote up to make sure a lynch on that occurs without either major reasoning, or based off of a previous notion that someone is to be lynched.

In post 538, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Also, the max vote was to get him to post so I could better read him. I had a townlean on him D1, but relooking I'm changing my mind.
He is null right now, his latest post looks sort of townish.
Brunn, I'm voting you now because of the way D1 played out. Tie that in with the odd interactions you and I had D1.

Why don't you think scum pushed your lynch through?

Probably to set up my mislynch in D2? Nobody is against that.... GM was killed, and she targeted me as much as Trivium.

Trivium flipped town.

Scum killed GM to make it even more likely that I'll appear as scum.

Vedith was against GM, and townread me - He was killed - or at least, didn't want my lynch.

In post 539, Varsoon wrote:Brunneis.
Unvote me and read the actual setup.
It's scummy to not read the setup and vote a claiming player because you do not understand the setup.
Of course I am more active. I am a fucking doctor. I wanted to lay low D1. I now have very valuable info to share with town. That's why I am now more vocal.
The whole point of 534 is to establish exactly why I am voting you--the way you are voting for me and responding to my claim and posts is scum-oriented.
It isn't just that you have not read the setup or do not understand it, it's that you're willing to vote and choke down another player rather than educating yourself.

Unvoting you will require conversation between both heads and the other isn't present right now.

This is the first time Kling or myself had been in a set-up like this. I have no idea why - if you really are a doctor - would claim doctor on D2. Plus, I've been in games where you've done something very similar as scum.

Also, set-up speculation isn't telling us who is scum and town based off the flips we already know. I just don't understand why you'd fire a vote at anyone for pushing you against all of what you've said so far, when there is nothing to confirm it other than your own word.

With that being said; are there any other people you're scumreading? What do you think about Ranger and Errant?

The Fire Hermit wrote:Calm down varsoon! Like for real! Your intensity transcends the internet itself.
Let's just lynch brunneis and progress the day.

@Maxwell - Can you please explain your meta to me just briefly? I know that seems like a silly question, but your slot kind of scares me because you look super town even when you are scum. You are one of the more dangerous players, and normally I would just ask the cop to investigate you, but we cannot be sure if another exists given the 1-shot cop already flipped. Therefore I would like to know briefly what you think of your usual meta please.

Hey Hermit, this is a piece of my thinking

I know you want me dead, but several people yesterday said that I had to die sometime in this game, and looking at how the NKs happened

I'm pretty sure scum would want my lynch today, and you're conf-town whose still alive while nobody will dare push to lynch you - so if I had to guess any of your behaviors that are benefitting - or not harming scum right now, it'd be you advertising me as a lynch candidate....

I don't want D1 to happen all over again today - so I'm trying to talk to you.

In post 542, MaxwellPuckett wrote:'Even after the flips from others we saw previously'... what does that mean? Who are you suggesting is scummier, exactly? Varsoon?

Well, Trivium, GM, and Vedith all flipped town..... I don't know how that leads to Errant being the days best lynch from what Ranger is saying. It makes me suspicious that he's just bussing his partner because I've never seen tunneling go down well for town in a game.

And people I think are scummier? Right now? Probably both Ranger and Errant, and maybe Gray... but I'm beginning to get a town feel from Gray, he seems genuine like town.

In post 542, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Er... you do realize you've quoted post 190 here? It's been a little bit since then. Ranger explained their reasoning for scumreading Errant later.

I was referring to how Ranger was scumreading me.... Since he never followed up on my question when he casted his suspicions.

Plus, I would also like him to explain Errant a bit more.

I thought you said there wasn't any reasoning?

In post 542, MaxwellPuckett wrote:This whole post feels like a weird indirect defense of Errant. Are you townreading her for some reason? Or are you scumreading ranger? Can you vote someone besides the claimed doctor?

I just stated my idea on Errant/Ranger both being scum.

And my vote will probably change very soon, I just want Ranger's response, and want Klingon to be on - we post different times of day.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Also, to EVERYONE voting me, or CONSIDERING to vote for me I have a question:

Who are my scum partners?

Brunneis · Post Post #553 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:15 pm

Spoiler: This is for Varsoon - and yes, everyone should read - Just condensing for space. This is also where my unvote is explained.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ranger

Until I have a conversation with him over what I've already addressed, the vote will be here.

>>>>>>

In post 546, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Okay, see this is what I don't understand. From the sounds of this, Errant is your second-best scumread... after Ranger himself. (I'm not including Varsoon here for a reason) so... why is it weird that he'd be Ranger's top lynch target?

I'm guessing it's the tunneling that bothers you, and not the Errant read?

Yeah.... I've never been in a game where tunneling benefitted town. It's actually got me MLed a few times.

That's why Ranger's vote bothers me - and because Ranger won't explain his vote on Errant is why I think Errant is likely a scumbuddy with him because of the theory that Ranger is tunnel/bussing his member. That's also why my scumread on Ranger is stronger than Errants.

In post 546, MaxwellPuckett wrote:I didn't really get that until you just stated it now. And you CAN change your vote without klingon's permission. It's not difficult to change later. Do you guys have some kind of agreement where you're not allowed to do that?

This is my first hydra.
My first time playing as a hydra.
My first game I've played in 4 months.

I don't like being WIFOMy, since that's a town-taly down-fall trait that makes me lynch bait to scum.

I don't like disagreeing with my other half - or at least, I don't like showing it in thread because it generates uncertainty, miscommunication, and it's detrimental for the town.

So yeah.... I'm fine with voting, I just want to come to a decision so everything isn't scattered or incoherent.... Like I've seen in other hydras.

In post 546, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Errant and duppin come to mind.

Duppin needs to replace out since he's done absolutely nothing and if I were his scumbuddy I probably would have bussed him by now.

I can see why you'd think Errant, but... no. He's a mild scum lean.

>>>>>>

In post 550, The Fire Hermit wrote:Brunneis claim next.

I'm pretty sure Klingon said this last dayphase.

But we are VT.

Brunneis · Post Post #561 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:16 pm

In post 557, Ranger wrote:In other news: the only reason I'm not voting Brunneis right now (because their posting on page 22 makes them painfully obvious scum) is so that we can finish massclaim; my vote would place them in hammering range I do believe.

Wow, more unexplained suspicion and scumreads thrown at me without even engaging with me.

In post 557, Ranger wrote:(Also, I already claimed VT earlier by implication.)

Implication? Can you link this post?

In post 557, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:It's been 500+ posts and you still believe Errant is the best lynch?
Well, I
did
, but you've changed that from your posting on page 22 alone. There's so much wrongness in it that you've managed to surpass a read I thought I wouldn't be letting loose of. But yes, previously, I did, and I still think Errant's the best lynch for tomorrow. Nothing has changed my opinion on Errant. The slot was scum from their early content, and her later content did nothing to weaken the read. In fact, the L-1 wagon on her collapsing strengthens my conviction about Errant.

OK, you've not said anything about how my posting is scummy - or what post is scummy because both heads of this hydra posted last page.

Well, I see a some explanation of your strength on your read of Errant...

In post 557, Ranger wrote:
Well, Trivium, GM, and Vedith all flipped town..... I don't know how that leads to Errant being the days best lynch from what Ranger is saying.
BECAUSE they all flipped town is why Errant's the (second-)best lynch. Errant's who I wanted dead before and I still stick by that call.

So you magically went from Errant being the best lynch earlier this dayphase: 474

To me being "undoubtedly" the best lynch of the day for pointing out the obvious and responding to people pushing my wagon?

In post 557, Ranger wrote:
Probably both Ranger and Errant, and maybe Gray...
Hmm...this sounds familiar...
makara wrote:My current scumreads are errant, ranger and a scumlean on greyfox.
Ah! That would be why.

I don't think this coincidence.

Thanks for the misrep, I already said I was beginning to townread Gray. 543

In post 557, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:Plus, I would also like him to explain Errant a bit more.
You act like 514, 515, and to some extent 516 don't exist.

So... What I'm seeing from those posts is that Errant responded at a time you would think someone very scummy would respond all the way back in page 1....

And you're thinking the other wagons of D1 were just to counter the original wagon that you pushed for the first half of D1 you were actually present?

That's all I'm getting here.

Brunneis · Post Post #571 (isolation #76) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:40 pm

In post 557, Ranger wrote:
(Also, I already claimed VT earlier by implication.)

In post 570, Ranger wrote:

Brunneis wrote:Implication? Can you link this post?

479.

In post 479, Ranger wrote:Checking in.
Not claiming a role.

"Checking in. Not claiming a role" implies nothing.

klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #576 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:00 am

Spoiler: To Varsoon

In post 562, Varsoon wrote:UNVOTE:

@Brunnies:

I don't mind if your post longer posts, but please try to keep it thin for me. I am in a ton of games, modding, training for a job, and balancing a ton of social responsibilities. I simply do not have the time to spend typing posts as long as this one or even reading them.

Alright, and I accept your apology. I'm sorry too, this half of Brunneis tends to look at the set-up, but I can't control what and if my other half does about it - and even if they're wrong, I still see from their perspective in this game more than anyone elses.

In post 562, Varsoon wrote:As for your 'dodging' with the bolded question about who your scum-mates should be, I still think it's an irreverent question to ask that distracts from your own scumminess. You defend the question talking about trying to draw 'relational' tells from the flips in the game, but all our flips are on town that point towards you likely being scum. Sending us on a wild goose chase to find hypothetical scum partners is an open invitation to do everything but wagon you. I only need to catch one scum to lynch one scum. I don't need to nab a whole fucking team to make a single lynch. I don't understand why you thought it was important to bold and size-up such a bad question directed at all of the game.

Saying that Vedith's death points to me as scum is a shit-stone of WIFOM. He never jumped on my wagon; and even began a GM wagon in 295 and he flipped town. Both of them died.

So you're insinuating - as I am scum - that I deliberately set myself up to be lynched in the next dayphase?

So no, I don't buy that you're painting my motives to just confuse the town when I'm bringing up valid points in my defense and against whoever I believe to be scum. Plus how can I be dodging anything if I'm responding to everyone who has engaged with me so far; whether they're a scum or townread?

In post 562, Varsoon wrote:I'm unvoting because I want the mass claim to go through and I want more discussion before a lynch hits.
We've likely only got two or three mislynches left in us.
We can't afford to fuck up.

With the set-up spec leaving the possibility of something like: CDMTTT or just have a singular T in the roles.

We could very well only have 1 or 2 mislynches left - provided that a possible SK shot the town.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Spoiler: To Ranger

Brunneis · Post Post #584 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:30 pm

In post 583, duppin wrote:Isn't it fairly obvious I do? I was expecting Kling to react to me calling out her town read on me yesterday, and I really dislike the fact that she did not.

Is that the only reason you're scumreading us as a whole?

Klingon has been busy the past day or so, and I'm not entirely sure at what times she specifically posts or if she can soon or not.

If there's anything you want to discuss, then the other half of Brunneis is present.

Brunneis · Post Post #590 (isolation #79) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:46 pm

In post 585, duppin wrote:I actually do have a question. What do you think about makara?

I don't know Klingon's read on Makara currently - for me, he's pretty much null - he hasn't really posted much at all. He's asked some good questions such as in 203 and 214

I also liked the point he made about dichotomies in 430 - it bothers me in any game where 2 people are set-up to be lynched as 1 is 'most likely' scum - I agree with it that this mentality benefits scum.

However, I can't speak about ongoing games - but makara has been unusually attentive in this one for the period of time he's posted, his wording is also different from what I've experienced. Plus, with him being null - and the shitstorm that came from the aftermath of D1 only engaging a portion of the town...

I'm pretty null/conflicted with Makara, and there's not much I can do about it since he's usually VLA.

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:and why would you be inclined to sheep whatever he puts out?
I wouldn't.
Others would.

Who do you have in mind?

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:Not claiming anything at all is supposed to mean you're VT?
Yeah.

Oh sorry, I didn't know that because I'd much rather think town would be more overt about saying it >_>

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:I've never seen town willing lynch someone with so much confidence in their that they just dismiss the person as if they're lynch bait.
I'm not dismissing you. If I was, I wouldn't be reading and responding to your posts. I'm listening, you're just not making a positive impression.

Well, you're not explaining or doing anything, so I see most of your responses are just to either:

A)

Keep me replying

B)

Make me look bad

C)

Waiting for a better time to put on your case or say something against me when I have less resistance.

D)

All of the above

All of which aren't changing my scumread on you.

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:And it makes it even worse that even IF something were to doubt my wagon - you'd STILL push to lynch me? What the hell?
Not what I said. I said if some mysterious force rendered it doubtful your wagon would go through by itself,
then
I would post my case, as to redirect attention back onto you.

If something were come up that would make me doubt your wagon, sure, I'd back off and start pushing Errantparabola, but that's not happening.

Do you know how weird it looks that you have only had collectively 2 scumreads - or 2 people you've pushed this entire game?

And what mysterious force are you talking about?

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:Your defense is to just paint all my post as scum and be done with it?
No, I never said it was all your posting. I simply haven't pointed out what the particular parts are that reveal the scum behind you.

I'm waiting.

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:So this game is completely centered around who you want to lynch and think should die?
Never said that.

Well that response is a great reflection on how you're taking my responses. "Never said that." "Haven't pointed out." "If there were some random-unexplained force."

Can you be less vague, please?

Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:"Varsoon jumped off so I should just jump on to keep the progress up!"
Varsoon jumped off, so I could jump on safely. I wasn't sure if you were at L-3 or L-2 before; had I voted and you were placed at L-1, a hammer could happen before the finish of massclaim. But since Varsoon unvoted, I knew you were either at L-4 or L-3; in either case, it would be safe for me to vote you, so I did.

If someone else were to vote you and I saw it, of course I'd unvote.

"Varsoon jumped off, so I could jump on safely."

Are you insinuating that Varsoon jumped off my wagon just so you could jump on?

And I'm pretty unconvinced about you saying you'd unvote if I were pushed to L-1 now...

Brunneis · Post Post #601 (isolation #80) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:50 pm

In post 580, duppin wrote:That's fine Quaroath, it's all up to you, my point was just that you only prodded me once.

Anyway, Maxwell you asked me about post #442 (about whether I cared which wagon I was on), and no it didn't really matter that much. I found both of them fairly scummy, but I chose to vote for Trivium.

Kling you've ignored me questioning your town read on me, so I'd like you to explain why exactly you thought my day 1 was my town play? It still feels a bit off to me. I'd really like a response. I honestly find it a bit difficult to read you since you are a hydra and I haven't played with Taly before, so that's why I'm calling Kling out.

Kling here.

You were in another game with me. I thought you were Scum in that game because you were so quiet and lurky. Turned out you were Town and trololol Firebringer was Scum.

So, you're quiet and lurky in this game, you're probably Town.

Brunneis · Post Post #602 (isolation #81) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:51 pm

In post 583, duppin wrote:Isn't it fairly obvious I do? I was expecting Kling to react to me calling out her town read on me yesterday, and I really dislike the fact that she did not.

I was barely around yesterday.

Brunneis · Post Post #603 (isolation #82) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:56 pm

Oh, there is one thing I'm curious about - you only showed interest in us and Trivium. Why? What are your reads on the other players?

Brunneis · Post Post #604 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:04 pm

It's after 4am here. I'll be back late this evening. G'night, all.

Brunneis · Post Post #606 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:12 am

In post 591, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:Who do you have in mind?
The people who actually did follow the IC.

And they are?

Ranger wrote:
Well, you're not explaining or doing anything, so I see most of your responses are just to A) Keep me replying B) Make me look bad C) Waiting for a better time to put on your case or say something against me when I have less resistance.
Yes, D, all of the above.

Wow, you don't even bring up a case to me yet you say I'm going to be the lynch without question?

And here you're saying you're being vague and dismissive just to put me off even further and try to secure my lynch without actually trying to speak to me?

What the hell?

VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Ranger

You just earned the amount of votes I'd have given you for each thing you just verified to me is extremely scummy.

Ranger wrote:
All of which aren't changing my scumread on you.
Well that's not my problem now, is it?

Apathy. Thanks for breeding it.

shit I'm sounding like House.

Ranger wrote:
Do you know how weird it looks that you have only had collectively 2 scumreads - or 2 people you've pushed this entire game?
False. I've had five: Errant, goodmorning, you, Trivium, and makara, in that order. (Or you, goodmorning. I forget which of you two I suspected first.) I dropped the goodmorning suspicion when I realized he was a PR (he wasn't at all subtle), and kept the other three (Errant, you, Trivium) until the D1 lynch.

Oh really? I didn't notice, because all you've done is push 2 people - Actually, you've only really pushed Errant.

You've yet to actually begin conversation with me with a case.

We could possibly be dealing with a scumteam double that size and you're fixated on tunneling 2 people...

Ranger wrote:
And what mysterious force are you talking about?
Beats me. That's why it's mysterious.

The "stupid-playing" game is really getting old and detracting from town engagement.

Ranger wrote:
I'm waiting.
And my response hasn't changed.

Well, neither will my vote.

Ranger wrote:
Can you be less vague, please?
Can I? Yes. Do I have reason to be? No.

Is this because you're relying on your scumteam to save you when you get wagoned?

Or are you just replying to me to not look useless as hell - and avoid stepping on toes?

Ranger wrote:
Are you insinuating that Varsoon jumped off my wagon just so you could jump on?
No, I'm saying that with Varsoon off, I could get on.

Really? That's not how I see it.

"Varsoon jumped off, so I could get on."

This doesn't sound right. You get a pass on this, but that doesn't even mean anything about changing my read on you.

Ranger wrote:
And I'm pretty unconvinced about you saying you'd unvote if I were pushed to L-1 now...
I'm not logging off. Try self-voting. Instant I see it, I unvote.

Are you kidding me?

Are you telling me to self-vote JUST so you can prove that you unvote and NOT hammer me?

When the HELL does TOWN encourage someone else to self-vote?

Why am I supposed to take your word for it and unvote myself - when we're SCUMREADING each other?

>>>>>>>>

Duppin, this head of Brunneis(Taly) still believes that Makara is null and best replace out.

Brunneis · Post Post #613 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:24 pm

In post 610, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:And they are?
Too lazy to look, but there were at least two or three people who
explicitly
said they were. More could have done so implicitly, too.

Too lazy to back up your own statements?

I guess they're false, then.

Ranger wrote:
Wow, you don't even bring up a case to me yet you say I'm going to be the lynch without question?
The former is because of the latter. If you're going to be lynched no matter what I say, then more evidence supporting the cause for lynching you is, simply put, not necessary.

Why is it this unspoken decree that I'm going to be lynched no matter what, today? The more you say this, the more it lends me to believe you know something that town doesn't.

Plus, your vote is horrible in itself since you obviously aren't going to back anything up with why I'm supposedly scum.

Ranger wrote:
We could possibly be dealing with a scumteam double that size and you're fixated on tunneling 2 people...
Again, false. I have three current scumreads.
While that's one short of what we have
, it's a fairly strong start.

"One short of what we have"?

Who said this was a definitive reality?

Plus - why would you townread people when you know there is scum between them, in that case?

Furthermore - You said you had 5 scumreads total - and now you have 3? Who are you still scumreading other than Errant and I - and why haven't you even looked at them?

Ranger wrote:
Are you telling me to self-vote JUST so you can prove that you unvote and NOT hammer me?
No, I'm pointing out that if you really thought I was scum lying, you could have put your life on the line to prove it.

So your scumbuddy could hammer?

Or you just not unvoting at all since - everything you or I say at this point doesn't matter because in your mind - I'm going to be lynched no matter what?

This town only has 2 mislynches left, why would I self-vote just to make everything worse?

In post 612, Ranger wrote:Whoah, one vote?
Well then.

VOTE: Brunneis.
Guess I can leave this here and think safely.
(I think we're good on a re-think, but not absolutely sure.)

.......

Why do you keep unvoting and re-voting? I just...

I can't see this coming from town. I can't... Conversation with you is bordering on useless at this point. I've made all my points as to why and how you're scum, and you just keep switching your vote trying to look better while you ignore any motion I do to actually engage with fruitful conversation.

>>>>>>

I'm in a very shitty mood right now, if anyone else actually wants a conversation - I'm still here.

Brunneis · Post Post #621 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:13 pm

In post 605, duppin wrote:Brunneis, since you just brought up that game, you should know that is exactly how I play. I pursue one world at a time, since it gives me a better read on the game especially for late game.

But yes, I do remember we were scumreading each other as town that game. But in that game you were very quick to respond every single time I called you out, which is why I tried to call out your town read on me this game to see if you'd react.
It's possible you weren't around much, but you did post several times after it happened.

For what it is worth, I don't like makara. You townread him d1, is that still the case?

Yeah, I'm still townreading Makara.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #622 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:31 pm

In post 610, Ranger wrote:

I have three current scumreads. While that's one short of what we have, it's a fairly strong start.

From the Wiki:

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

In other words:

2 Mafia, 1 SK
2 Mafia
2 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia
3 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia
3 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia

I have three current scumreads. While that's one short of what we have, it's a fairly strong start.

How do you know there's 4 Scum?

Brunneis · Post Post #623 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:33 pm

^^ Klingoncelt ^^

Brunneis · Post Post #633 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:31 pm

In post 624, duppin wrote:
In post 621, Brunneis wrote:
In post 605, duppin wrote:Brunneis, since you just brought up that game, you should know that is exactly how I play. I pursue one world at a time, since it gives me a better read on the game especially for late game.

For what it is worth, I don't like makara. You townread him d1, is that still the case?

Yeah, I'm still townreading Makara.

Klingoncelt

I see. Would you care to explain why?

I'm not getting any pings, not seeing anything Scummy.

Shit - I'm going through his ISO, just saw that he's replacing out.

The slot goes Null for me now. I dunno what Taly will think.

Klingoncelt

Best wishes, Makara.

Brunneis · Post Post #634 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:35 pm

In post 625, Ranger wrote:
Klingoncelt wrote:How do you know there's 4 Scum?
Because
this is an open setup
and I'm not an idiot.

I checked the Wiki and posted it - there's a 1 in 4 chance of there being 4 Scum, yet you knew there are 4 Scum in this game.

From the Wiki:

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

In other words:

2 Mafia, 1 SK
2 Mafia
2 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia
3 Mafia, 1 SK****
3 Mafia
3 Mafia, 1 SK****
3 Mafia

VOTE: Ranger

Brunneis · Post Post #635 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:37 pm

Klingon ^ ^

Brunneis · Post Post #642 (isolation #92) » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:37 pm

In post 636, Varsoon wrote:Brunn, I'd still wait for all the claims to come out before going all-in on Ranger.
If there's no vig claimed, then we can give Ranger a bit of a hard time.
I'm actually kind of curious as to how scum would know there's 4 in the setup unless they're the SK.
So, maybe Ranger is the SK.
Hm.

The remaining claims are from Makara, Ika, and Errant. I doubt that they'll claim.

Brunneis · Post Post #685 (isolation #93) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:14 pm

In post 648, Varsoon wrote:Hey
As it stands, we've got a dead 1-shot cop and two dead VTs.
There were two deaths on Night 1.
I protected the cop from being shot, but my protect did not work, which means there is a roleblocker in the setup.
That's about it.

We have 2 dead VTs and a dead Cop. We have 6 VT claims, a Doc, and an IC.

IkaMusume can't be both Vig and Roleblocker.

Brunneis · Post Post #688 (isolation #94) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:24 pm

*Correction - 7 VT claims.

Persival, nice to see you. We played in some other games. You just posted more here than you did in those other games combined.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #691 (isolation #95) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:36 pm

In post 686, Varsoon wrote:Scum roleblocker is an integral part of the setup.
Please read the setup.

I did read the setup. IkaPie was the only one left to claim. He can't have 2 roles.

IkaMusume can't be both Vig and Roleblocker.

Looks like a couple of our VTs are lying.

Is anyone surprised?

Brunneis · Post Post #692 (isolation #96) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:39 pm

In post 689, Ika Musume wrote:the setup is MCDBTTT, which means scum have 2 goons and a roleblocker, and a SK.

both Varsoon and me should be confirmed since either of us lying means an extra T, and thus no double kill in the setup.

So, 4 Scum in:

Brunneis
Duppin
Errantparabola
GrayFox
Makara
MaxwellPuckett
Ranger

I'll make it easier - Brunneis is Town. So 4 of 6.

Brunneis · Post Post #693 (isolation #97) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:40 pm

UNVOTE: Ranger

Brunneis · Post Post #696 (isolation #98) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:43 pm

In post 694, Varsoon wrote:Oh, well, yes.
We should be lynching out of our VTs.
I'd be cool with a GrayFox lynch.
Otherwise, I'd toss up between Errant, Makara, and Maxwell.
In fact, I actually think this is Maxwell's scum-game, but I'm not a great authority there.
Hum-ho.

We have 6 days to sort it out.

Brunneis · Post Post #740 (isolation #99) » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:49 pm

Hello, everyone..... Been a few pages since this head popped back up.

I just turned 17 this past week, so wheeeeee.

I've been reading these last few pages.... Quite a bit to process, I'm just going to delve into what had stood out for me so far since I haven't exactly synced with Klingon yet:

In post 727, duppin wrote:Both of them we're getting a lot of attention,
yet they chose to ignore each other
. Brunneis was very vocal about pretty much everyone, called out lurkers etc (me),
so it was very surprising to see them ignoring Trivium.

Kling is also usually has an opinion on everything that happens day 1, so that bothered me a little as well. But then later they finally interacted and it felt genuine. I still thought both of them were scummy, and that is why I was up for lynching either one.

Back up a moment,

When have I EVER ignored Trivium?

Most of my posts involved Trivium in some form, and I even had a back in forth with him.

108 - I made my opinion on his stance.
Or 258 - Where I argued against his weak argument AND engaged with him.
The same thing in 288...
And 373 - But he never really answered to me in these posts.

This isn't even counting Klingons posts. Or at least half my overall case on Trivium in D1.

I'm just not following your thinking here of how we could have both been scum. This is kind of a misrep, and makes me question duppins read formation and consistency a little....

Plus, Trivium ignored a lot of peoples questions other than both of ours.

In post 735, Errantparabola wrote:
BRUNNEIS

This leads onto a bit of wagon analysis.

Brunneis points out that he is the counterwagon to my wagon. This makes be think that Brunneis and I can't both be town, because there would be no reason for scum to push on Brunneis if they already have me as a mislynch.
It is my belief that the reason my wagon deteriorated so quickly was because Brunneis started redflagging other people. I personally don't really see it at this point, but a lot of the people on Brunneis' counterwagon at that point are now conftown. Which confuses me. A lot.

274 Don't like how this association read is the lens through which Brunneis is looking at everything

I couldn't find out something specific to say about the rest of D1 or the entirety of D2.
But I do think that ultimately the scumreads on Brunneis on D1 don't really consolidate with my personal read on Brunneis after reading D1.
However, I do think that D2 made Brunneis a lot less town.
I don't like the entire speech about anti-massclaiming because that seems to be heavily scum-motivated.
The position that we are in, post mass-claim, I believe favors town, and I think Brunneis was trying to prevent this from happening. However, I am willing to dismiss this because I do think that people are entitled to their own opinions about strategy and just because they might look antitown doesn't mean that they are. It does make me less confident about my townread on Brunneis.

Conclusion? Null-town.

I'm gonna grab some lunch and be back in about 4 hours.

2 things here

1)

Could you link where I pointed this out? I'm not understanding your train of thought here

You're saying we both can't be town - because scum wouldn't need to push me if they wanted to mislynch you?

Are you saying that either:

A)

I somehow deliberately put a wagon on myself as scum

B)

Scum bussed their partner (me) when you were nearing L-1

C)

You're not town because you're insinuating that I'm not scum, and that whoever wasn't conftown on my wagon, is most likely scumbuddies?

D)

We are both town, and everything else in C still applies.

I'm confused here too....

2)

Sorry, but where was this "anti-massclaiming speech" from? Originally, my other head launched the vote on Varsoon on the idea that he wasn't being truthful, I wasn't entirely familiar with the set-up so I continued to question the idea of anti-massclaiming.

No time in here was I solely against massclaiming - The most was that I questioned Varsoons word and didn't want to go through claiming as I already did in D1. Yes, I didn't like the idea of going on setup theory and massclaiming at that point, but that doesn't mean I tried to prevent it.

Plus, I wasn't in entire agreement with my other head and I wanted to be in sync with them before being sheep-wagoned a second time, but it was too late.

In post 738, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Lastly, it sort of looks like a scum slip when you said I wasn't scum or town. Why are you so sure about that?

You say him being unsure about his read on you is a scum slip

But you didn't notice his scumslip about him knowing about 4 mafia.

In post 739, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
Keeping vote on Brunn for now.
F.o.S on ranger.

Cool, while you keep your vote on one person the same person you've had it on for the past 8 pages without responding to that much at all

You then cast suspicion on the person they pushed against.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yeah, I'm suspicious of the 3 above and I'd like a response.

>>>

A lot of these reads are before I discuss with Klingon, so some of this is liable to change.

As for some others? I didn't like Persivul's entrance, but I like how they're sorting out the town and taking time to share reads and ISOs... It seems town-motivated. But I want to see more of them before I make a more definitive read.

Ika Musume seems to be putting in a lot here, normally I wouldn't like someone claiming to be playing their scum game on one half of a hydra in D1 - but I'm going to need to look at their recent posts in depth, I do get a good townvibe.

This head of the hydra has never played with Max before, but I've gotten strong townvibes from him since D1 - though, I could see where the suspicion on him is coming from.

Brunneis · Post Post #743 (isolation #100) » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:56 pm

Brunneis' heads are both agreed on Duppin, Errant, and Gray, not necessarily in that order, as Scum.

Persival, Maxwell, and Ranger we see as Null or Town, but we aren't in full agreement.

klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #751 (isolation #101) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:40 am

In post 741, Errantparabola wrote:Hi, just wanted to check in to say that I am blatantly and unabashedly breaking my promise of a full and complete ISO analysis in 4 hours because family friends are visiting and I must spend time with them, because society has rules.
That being said, I read your whole post, Brunneis, and I will respond to it. But I think it's pretty good.
That also being said, hope you had a nice birthday.

In post 742, Varsoon wrote:Happy Birthday, Brunnies.
At this point, I'm really trying to figure out if GreyFoxx is part of the scum team being offered up as a sacrifice or just the weakest link in the two town out of six player pool.

Oh yes, I did have a nice birthday! Thank you!

Today I'm helping host a party and I'll be partially unavailable today.

But yeah - Errant, looking forward to your response.

Varsoon - stated before, I'm closer to thinking Grey is scum than the former.

What do you think about Duppin, though?

In post 745, Ika Musume wrote:Taly:

1. what didn't you like about Persivul's entrance?

2. I'm conftown, so you shouldn't have to worry about forming a read on me.

1)

Few things - keep in mind he's closer to town to me atm

650 - He goes from saying that massclaiming doesn't make sense to saying "IS IT MY TURN?" - this looks a little backwards; but I can give it a pass since it's just set-up, plus him asking questions suggest town motivation in wanting to learn more in retrospect.

659 >>> This and other posts as you ISO him - is just more set-up spec - we're trying to find scum here, set-up speccing could help but we already have like 3 people doing it already and it's getting very taxing...

661 - The vote was bad even if it wasn't very serious; however, I did like the light-hearted tone, but meh...

675 >>> His entire vote is based on the possibilities of conftown being on me - 2 people have already stated something like this and given in depth thoughts, but he throws it on me as being the most likely possibility. It just looked like he was sheeping.

These are the main posts, it just either didn't provide much anything new, or it just felt weird when reading it.

2)

I may have overlooked that, could you link the post please?

In post 747, duppin wrote:

In post 740, Brunneis wrote:

Back up a moment,

When have I EVER ignored Trivium?

Most of my posts involved Trivium in some form, and I even had a back in forth with him.

108 - I made my opinion on his stance.
Or 258 - Where I argued against his weak argument AND engaged with him.
The same thing in 288...
And 373 - But he never really answered to me in these posts.

No offense, but did you even read what we were talking about?
We were talking about how my read changed on you. My initial read were that you were scum buddies, but then I changed my opinion later, BECAUSE of the posts you just linked. So really?
And yes you did mention him in 108, but you didn't say much. I was biased yes, but at that time it felt more like a scum just wanting to get a little post in on his buddy. You didn't really add pressure to him and overall your comment was pretty harmless.
The rest of your posts are exactly why I changed my read on you guys being scum buddies.

About the part about him not answering anyone, I do not see how that is relevant. The only reason I mentioned it, was because when I had to choose between you and Trivium I went for Trivium since you actually responded to me while he didn't.

Yeah, I knew you were talking about how you once thought I was scumbuddies with Trivium - that's not what I'm talking about.

You said that I CHOSE to ignore Trivium when most of my D1 posts involved him in some form or matter.

Don't assume that I don't know what you're talking about, just don't misrep and say that I deliberately ignored him. 727

In the case that I may have misinterpreted what you said, why are you saying that my earliest post on him was "harmless?" This just seems reactive.

In post 747, duppin wrote:
In post 743, Brunneis wrote:Brunneis' heads are both agreed on Duppin, Errant, and Gray, not necessarily in that order, as Scum.

Persival, Maxwell, and Ranger we see as Null or Town, but we aren't in full agreement.

If you do not mind me asking Kling, what changed your mind? I want Kling to respond, not you Taly.

Um....

Kling did make that post.

And Kling did sign herself -_-

My reads other then what I quoted to you weren't a direct answer to you. I'm not voicing my thoughts and opinions in accordance to what you want to hear, sorry.

In post 748, duppin wrote:Also since it seems like no one has actually brought it up, I guess I might as well do it.

This was the train on Brunneis 12 hours before the deadline day 1.

Brunneis - GrayFoxxxx,
The Fire Hermit
,
Trivium
,
goodmorning
.

That is 3 confirmed town.

Then makara (Persivul's slot) voted on Trivium (even though Brunneis was the leading train at that point), because he found Brunneis to be more scummy.
And then I did pretty much the exact same thing, but since I know I am town, I believe this is yet another reason to look at makara. I also do not believe it would make sense for me to be scumpartners with Brunneis, but I'm obviously biased.

If Brunneis is truly town, perhaps GrayFoxxxx is worth looking into, but I doubt Brunneis wouldn't get lynched day 1 if they had 4 towns voting on them - I believe scum would rather kill off them than Trivium if that was the case to be honest.

I'm going to vote on either Brunneis or Persivul, and I do believe there is a chance both of them are scum. If you'd rather mislynch me, then go ahead. Voting on me for 'pressure' will gain you nothing at all, since I already claimed and I am town so it's not like I am going to slip.

Wow, more of the same thing I've read these past 10 pages. "Conftown is on Brunneis so he's most likely scum."

You say that if I were truly town, then Gray is worth looking into as scum - but then you throw that away and say you'd rather vote me or Persivul?

You then talk about how - "If I had 4 town votes, then scum would just lynch me over Trivium"

Are you saying that Gray is scum - since he isn't an explained townvote in your eyes - and that the other 3 were just conftown - and that's why scum didn't lynch me - because no other town voted for me?

But you said you didn't want to vote Gray even though he wasn't conftown?

What the hell am I reading? Plus, where is your vote? Are you waiting for something?

1)

Either you're blatantly ignoring looking into Gray and would rather just sheep a popular vote over reasons already explained

2)

Or you just slipped all over the damn place and Gray may just be your scumbuddy.

What's even worse; is that you dismiss EVERYONES suspicion and votes on you as "pressure", but no, it sounds like you're trying to make it seem as if you're conftown and nobody can touch you as long as you say whatever other people want to hear.

Either are deserving of a vote, I'd like to hear something other than a defense or minimization of someone elses conviction.

VOTE: duppin

Brunneis · Post Post #780 (isolation #102) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:24 pm

In post 747, duppin wrote:
If you do not mind me asking Kling, what changed your mind? I want Kling to respond, not you Taly.

It was fairly gradual. I'm use to you being a low-volume poster now, so that wasn't alignment-indicative.

That you focused solely on us and Trivium was kinda weird.

Your post aren't content-heavy, as the IC trolls pointed out they're more reactive than proactive.

You aren't my strongest scumread, but I just can't put you into my Town pile.

I'll leave Taly's vote here for now.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #781 (isolation #103) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:55 pm

In post 748, duppin wrote:Also since it seems like no one has actually brought it up, I guess I might as well do it.

This was the train on Brunneis 12 hours before the deadline day 1.

Brunneis - GrayFoxxxx,
The Fire Hermit
,
Trivium
,
goodmorning
.

That is 3 confirmed town.

Being Town =/= infallible judgement.

The IC trolls have been useless anti-Town most of the game, until they started in on you.

But that they've voted for you is enough to cast reasonable doubt on your scumminess.

Brunneis · Post Post #782 (isolation #104) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:01 pm

In post 777, Ranger wrote:Because I seriously do not get the suspicion on duppin. At all. He seems to be posting really, really strongly in a ridiculously-town manner.

He is not posting strongly.

Brunneis · Post Post #783 (isolation #105) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:02 pm

In post 779, Ranger wrote:Okay you sniping jerk, let me rephrase that because my normal speech patterns seem to have left an opening for you.
duppin IS posting really, really strongly, no 'seems to be'.

His posting is very, very strongly town.

In some alternate reality maybe.

I'm liking the Duppin vote more now.

Brunneis · Post Post #786 (isolation #106) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:46 am

In post 753, duppin wrote:I can't tell if you are serious Taly. I'm not even trying to be rude, but it seems like you fail to understand anything I have said.

Well you know, I can say the same thing right back at you.

In post 753, duppin wrote:
In post 751, Brunneis wrote:

Yeah, I knew you were talking about how you once thought I was scumbuddies with Trivium - that's not what I'm talking about.

You said that I CHOSE to ignore Trivium when most of my D1 posts involved him in some form or matter.

Don't assume that I don't know what you're talking about, just don't misrep and say that I deliberately ignored him.

First of all, how difficult is it to understand, that my initial read when the game began was that you were scum buddies, alright?

In the very beginning both of you were engaged by several people,
yet you choose to ignore each other
, which I thought was unlike you since you chose to call out lurkers. Kling also usually comments on whatever happens on day 1.
You made a comment in 108 after this, but it didn't mean much to me. It was a harmless comment, as in it didn't add pressure nor did you actually take a stance on whether you thought he was scummy or not. I already stated that I was already living in the world of you two being scum buddies so I may have been biased.

Then later when I returned to the game you had a back and forth with Trivium, and I changed my read.
And misrep? Are you for real? I changed my read - So how is this misrepping? That wouldn't even make sense. What possible motive would I have for that? I mean me claiming that you ignored Trivium in the beginning of the game is irrelevant. We know you aren't scum buddies now, so it doesn't even matter.

This is what I'm not understanding.

I never ignored Trivium.

Ugh.... I guess it doesn't matter as you said but damn. I don't know how you got that impression.

In post 753, duppin wrote:
In post 751, Brunneis wrote:

Um....

Kling did make that post.

And Kling did sign herself -_-

Um, yeah I know? What's your point? I still want her to explain why she changed her mind.

Oh, I misread. I thought you meant that I posted it but you didn't want my reads since you seem to be focused on Klingons.

In post 753, duppin wrote:
In post 751, Brunneis wrote:

Wow, more of the same thing I've read these past 10 pages. "Conftown is on Brunneis so he's most likely scum."

You say that if I were truly town, then Gray is worth looking into as scum - but then you throw that away and say you'd rather vote me or Persivul?

You then talk about how - "If I had 4 town votes, then scum would just lynch me over Trivium"

Are you saying that Gray is scum - since he isn't an explained townvote in your eyes - and that the other 3 were just conftown - and that's why scum didn't lynch me - because no other town voted for me?

But you said you didn't want to vote Gray even though he wasn't conftown?

What the hell am I reading? Plus, where is your vote? Are you waiting for something?

1)
Either you're blatantly ignoring looking into Gray and would rather just sheep a popular vote over reasons already explained

2)
Or you just slipped all over the damn place and Gray may just be your scumbuddy.

What's even worse; is that you dismiss EVERYONES suspicion and votes on you as "pressure", but no, it sounds like you're trying to make it seem as if you're conftown and nobody can touch you as long as you say whatever other people want to hear.

Either are deserving of a vote, I'd like to hear something other than a defense or minimization of someone elses conviction.

VOTE: duppin

This doesn't even make sense. I want to focus on you and Persivul for now because I think you are scummy, but if you are town I believe GrayFoxxxx is worth looking into. How am I sheeping a popular vote, when I've been calling you suspicious pretty much all game. Speaking about sheeping a popular vote, isn't that pretty much what you are doing now?

Hermit's vote was obviously meant as pressure, and how the hell am I trying to make it seem like I am confirmed town? I'd rather speak with Kling because I honestly don't get half of what you're saying. This is nonsense.

Because it looks like you'd rather go on a long-running wagon instead of actually looking at every possibility?

This is just a hella bad picture considering that Gray was the first on my wagon in that, you're excluding the idea of looking at him before actually making a push to vote and lynch me.

Oh, and I've been suspicious to you THIS ENTIE GAME for no stated reason? Cool, now you've almost confirmed to me that you're scum trying to conceal my mislynch. Thanks.

Are you really saying that I'm sheeping a popular vote, what the hell?

1)

Since when did you become a popular vote? Obviously it's not popular enough seeing as Scum-IC immediately retracted his vote on you just to jump on me when I made the push.

2)

I actually have REASONS for voting you, your vote reasoning is - oh wait, you haven't voted. What are you waiting for? An invitation so you can jump on my wagon with "little resistance"? But why the hell would you want to vote me for just "town wagon led Brunneis so he's obviously scum"

Do you not see people having made this argument? You're throwing out the same thing others have said and trying to pass it off as a reason to vote me.

In post 768, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@brunn

Reread the specific post regarding Ranger.

Why wouldn't I keep my vote on you? I think you're scum. I'm not as confident in you being scum recently , because your last few posts look a little better.
But you have alot of pressure on you, so it's kind of forced content.

Ide like to hear back from ranger, as he is the only other person I would be comfortable voting right now.

What the hell?

I've been the top wagon MOST OF THIS GAME. Are you seriously mostly voting me because "apparently everyone is trying to force me to make content"

That's a terrible reason to stay idle on a wagon this long and I can't believe nobody has called you out on it.

And I'm not even the only person you're willing to vote? This reinforces to me that Ranger may actually be a scumbuddy of someone.

Why are you keeping your vote on me this long, and have pushed nobody else - supposedly? Ugh.... I just can't see this as town.

In post 771, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 258, Brunneis wrote:Not pleased with the quick deterioration of the Errant wagon, and my wagon taking a great leap. (Especially without a main explanation as to why.) It makes me think that AT LEAST ONE of the scum are on my wagon

When you said this, did you mean the events to be correlated?
I might have accidentally interpreted you to be saying that if you didn't mean that because of what Ranger's been saying.

Yes, that's what I meant. And I still do think at least 1 or 2 scum jumped on my wagon when it began to get power.

In post 771, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 740, Brunneis wrote:Sorry, but where was this "anti-massclaiming speech" from? Originally, my other head launched the vote on Varsoon on the idea that he wasn't being truthful, I wasn't entirely familiar with the set-up so I continued to question the idea of anti-massclaiming.

No time in here was I solely against massclaiming - The most was that I questioned Varsoons word and didn't want to go through claiming as I already did in D1. Yes, I didn't like the idea of going on setup theory and massclaiming at that point, but that doesn't mean I tried to prevent it.

Okay so I see two points here. 1st, I think it's pretty clear that not even scum would be solely against massclaiming because massclaiming gave us 4 scum in a lynchpool of 6- which is a pretty good position for town. So trying to outright prevent that would be sticking your neck out a bit too far.
My question to you is: Do you think that we are in a better position now that massclaiming has happened?

Yes and no.

Yes because we now minimized the lynchpool somewhat. No because it isn't lynching scum. We can talk about theory all day, but people can lie and cause more shit with communication between town and it's usually not that useful until another possible lynch occurs. At least in my view.

But what makes you agree with Ranger that we have 4 scum in this set-up? That itself seems pretty powerful if we have a bunch of VTs everywhere... >_>

In post 775, Ranger wrote:VOTE: Brunneis.
I'd rather vote Persivul, but if the options are Brunneis and duppin, no prize for guessing who I'm voting.

{Varsoon, Ika, The Fire Hermit}
{duppin}
{MaxwellPuckett}
{GrayFox}
{Errantparabola, Persivul, Brunneis}.

Talk about dichotomies... -_-

In post 777, Ranger wrote:Because I seriously do not get the suspicion on duppin. At all. He seems to be posting really, really strongly in a ridiculously-town manner.

Well, I don't get the game-long suspicion on myself. At all. Nobody is questioning that.

And how is duppin posting in a town manner?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Honestly to me the lynchpool should be (no order):

Ranger
Errant
Duppin
Gray

But I know 1 of them is probably town, if we're in a 3 mafia set-up, or I'm just not entirely accurate

But I'm pretty sure 2 or 3 scum lie in this batch. There's just so many association type tells between these people, and the fact that 2-3 of them want to continue on and lynch me makes me seriously believe I'm just a mislynch so they could get that much closer to winning.

Brunneis · Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:53 am

I'm just going to say out loud, this last post was made by

Taly

. >_> I'm a little weirded out that people like to talk about Klingon yet I'm currently the present head.

In post 787, duppin wrote:
I agree that 3 town voting on you day 1 does not necessarily mean you are scum, but it is certainly worth looking into, because why weren't you lynched D1 (you were the leading train) if it was a town wagon on you?
The obvious answer is that you're scum, but another explanation is that GrayFoxxxx is scum - which is possible.

Then where is that push toward Gray?

In post 787, duppin wrote:Which brings me to my next point. I find it really weird how you and Taly seem to imply I am scum for not wanting to consider GrayFoxxx as scum.
I believe it is fairly obvious I have considered this, why else would I bring it up?
I have said from the very beginning that I believe you are scum, so why would I go for him instead of you? And to be honest I am not sure why you think this means I haven't looked into GrayFoxxx, because I have.
But I still find you more suspicious.

Um.... Every post that responded to you in any type of wallpost that came from this account is from me - Taly. I don't understand exactly why you're bringin up Klingon.

I don't understand why anyone would find me suspicious other than the flips of yesterday and even then, not all of the point to me being scum.

You've looked at Gray? Want to tell of anything you've realized?

In post 787, duppin wrote:Taly, I was a town read of Kling, I was hardly getting pressured by anyone but then all of a sudden several people decided to question me and then you scumread me out of nowhere (Kling even changed her read, seeing as she townread me before).
I believe this qualifies as a 'popular' vote, since several people (including two confirmed towns) were getting suspicious of me.

About the votes, that's just how I play. I'm very careful with my votes, get over it. Everyone knows I want to vote for you, so I don't really see how I would be waiting for an invitation to jump on your wagon.

You're no longer the main wagon of course now that I'm onto you. Apparently I'm "desperate" enough to vote for anyone other than me at this point......

I'm suspicious of you myself, it's not about pressure - it's about scumreading and wanting to find clarity through conversation.

I just find it very odd that you make it known to everyone that you'd vote me, but you don't. It gives me the impression that you're waiting for more votes, waiting for someone to push me harder, or any other possibility that is convenient for you to vote me later - which doesn't strike me as town.

In post 787, duppin wrote:
In post 786, Brunneis wrote:
But I'm pretty sure 2 or 3 scum lie in this batch. There's just so many association type tells between these people, and the fact that 2-3 of them want to continue on and lynch me makes me seriously believe I'm just a mislynch so they could get that much closer to winning.

If that was the case, why didn't we 'mislynch' you yesterday?

Did I say I was completely accurate?

And how should I know what scum is thinking? I could have just been baited to be mislynched today, I mean - nothings changed of me being the most likely lynched these past 3 weeks - even back in D1.

In post 788, duppin wrote:Actually Brunneis I have a question. If both of us are town, who do you think the scum are? (

Probably still Gray, I don't like his posting much at all, and it wasn't until recently since he's actually posted.

I'm still getting weird vibes from Ranger and Errant; I don't like Rangers play at all, but I'm not entirely sold on Errant being either scum or town.

More far-fetched, maybe Persivul or Max; but I still don't really see it compared to what I've already mentioned.

In post 789, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@brunn
Once again, I suggest you reread the topic at hand. Most of your post directed at me ( really all 4 ppints) are misreps. From my reasoning, to my scum picks,

What have I misrepped on you? I just don't understand why you're keeping your vote on me because of pressure - and that I'm being "forced to give content" when I've been the main lynch this entire dayphase, and I'm trying to get people to see my view.

If you really don't think I'm scum or Ranger (Which I believed that was your scumreads, but I'm wrong about them?) then who are you thinking is scum besides the two of us?

In post 790, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Also brunn, I'm failing to comprehend what you mean about ranger and him having a scum buddy....

What did thay mean, and how did it have anything to do with what you were responding to?

You said you'd keep your vote on me but you liked my recent posts, however - you then stated that I have been pressured so my content was forced - which is tbh wrong, I've been voted and wagoned most of this game so far. Nothing is different about my posts now than previously

You also stated that you're comfortable voting Ranger; but you haven't really done much to push him, and the idea that your vote is still on me like it has been for the majority of the dayphase doesn't look really good in my eyes. It continued my idea that Ranger is associated with you, or someone else.

In post 792, The Fire Hermit wrote:Brunneis is acting in now way to what I have come to expect from a town player.
Even the selective using of this slots opinions is something I have come to expect as a scum tactic.

So you scumread something you'd expect from town?

In post 793, The Fire Hermit wrote:The slot is just overall incredibly desperate, let's be honest. The game cannot reasonably advance if we do not lynch anyone other than Klingon. That slot just HAS to go.

Desperate? Have you read any of my posts? I've replied to those who've engaged with me, and I've engaged with several people. I don't know how I can be desperate when I just post to whatever comes in this game with my thoughts.

Also what's with you singling out Klingon?

In post 794, The Fire Hermit wrote:
Taly Klingon was pushed down the slide
Taly Klingon had quite the ride
It was her own fault because Taly Klingon lied
Better luck next time, Brunneis!

Also Duppin brings up a good point. Klingon this entire game has been going after the effortless targets. Joining that quick Duppin wagon that died out really fast was perceived by me as an act of desperation.

Um.....

Actually, Taly (ME) is the one who's jumped on the Duppin and Ranger wagon this dayphase - and I did a short vote on Varsoon in D1.

Most other wagons or jumps onto wagons were by Klingon.

Plus - where have I lied in this game? ._........ And the wagon did die out fast, no thanks to you - right after I voted.

>

I can't tell if your poem was meant to be light-hearted, or meant to make me feel like continuing to post here is more useless than what I already feel it's become. .-.

Am I supposed to feel bad, or am I supposed to laugh?

Brunneis · Post Post #800 (isolation #108) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:25 pm

In post 792, The Fire Hermit wrote:Brunneis is acting in now way to what I have come to expect from a town player.
Even the selective using of this slots opinions is something I have come to expect as a scum tactic.

In post 793, The Fire Hermit wrote:The slot is just overall incredibly desperate, let's be honest. The game cannot reasonably advance if we do not lynch anyone other than Klingon. That slot just HAS to go.

In post 794, The Fire Hermit wrote:
Taly Klingon was pushed down the slide
Taly Klingon had quite the ride
It was her own fault because Taly Klingon lied
Better luck next time, Brunneis!

Also Duppin brings up a good point. Klingon this entire game has been going after the effortless targets. Joining that quick Duppin wagon that died out really fast was perceived by me as an act of desperation.

As soon as this game's over I'm going to request a ban on both of you for trolling and playing against your win condition. I've had enough of your dumbfuck middle school behavior.

The Klingon head.

Brunneis · Post Post #802 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:39 pm

In post 795, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 786, Brunneis wrote:But what makes you agree with Ranger that we have 4 scum in this set-up? That itself seems pretty powerful if we have a bunch of VTs everywhere

Either we have an SK or a vig right?
I feel like it's more likely we have an SK

Varsoon figured it out, yes, we have an SK. And 3 Mafia.

Brunneis · Post Post #803 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:40 pm

In post 799, Ranger wrote:
Ranger wrote:What.
To all of these, really, but especially me.

This makes no sense. All three of these (possible exception, Maxwell; I'd have to check) were in your scum pool.
Brunneis, I do believe you skipped this part, unless I missed something in your recent posting.

Please link to the post.

Brunneis · Post Post #804 (isolation #111) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:47 pm

In post 801, Varsoon wrote:Slow down, Klingonhead.
That's not really ban-worthy.
Get ole boy to step it up or just avoid playing games with them in the future if you can't handle it, y'know?
No reason to get trigger-happy with a report. Someone pushing a scumread is hardly contrary to wincon/trolling.

They've been asshats the whole game, Varsoon. Neither one has done a fucking thing towards scumhunting. One would think that with the WOTC/WOTM they've been facing lately - especially Constantine - that they'd step up their game.

I'm extremely pissed off right now. I'm going to go post in some other games and do some housework or something.

When I come back tomorrow I want to see a work of genius reads list from that hydra.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Post Post #811 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:50 am

Hello, this is Taly posting.

In regards to the previous posts; even if I don't think it's fair to say something for anyone but my own - and I'm talking about more than just one person here

I will say Fire; I don't have anything against you, neither anything against Constantine - I actually like you both the more I see you, and I would wish to speak to you after this game is over.

However, I'm not going to dismiss Klingons feelings, because it isn't very nice to see someone deem you as scum every 5 posts after your own. Though, I don't blame you for thinking that; but Klingon and I do wish we could see more than "we should lynch Brunneis" a lot of the time. Which doesn't make the previous interaction correct, but it makes it understandable in a sense.

The more I'm thinking about it, I'm realizing something about the reads, and Duppin asking me about who I think is scum - which led to my idea that we have a SK more likely than a Vig; Duppin, Ranger, I'll get back to you both when I have time - most likely later today.

So please, I'm not going to say this is my best performance in this game, on both a game or person perspective - but I'll reply with my thoughts when time and better formulation of thinking comes.... later today because I have school. ._.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:22 pm

In post 799, Ranger wrote:
Ranger wrote:What.
To all of these, really, but especially me.

This makes no sense. All three of these (possible exception, Maxwell; I'd have to check) were in your scum pool.
Brunneis, I do believe you skipped this part, unless I missed something in your recent posting.

Max and Persivul weren't in my scumpool at that moment - I suspected them, yes - but I leaned town on them versus others. Klingon was the person who made the post saying that those 3 names were null and town. From what I can say, you were closer to null, Persivul was null-town, and max was - and still is town.

@Duppin

797

Alright, Gray is not the only reason why I've been suspicious of you duppin. Though, we have been repeating ourselves a bit, so maybe instead of a "1v1" - we should just sort things out.

I don't believe you're town, but you initating something beyond this makes me question my scumread on you.

So this is what I'm thinking in the possibility that you're also town:

While I thought of a possibility where you're town, it made me ISO the my current scumpool here.

1)

Whether or not this means anything over your alignment - I'm becoming increasingly sure that Ranger is a vig or SK. I've gotten a towny vibe from points he's made about VCs, his general tests for reactions; and how he's partially gone about pursuing his wagons. However, he's tunneled his wagons and stated in the fashion that he tends to give vague or declined answers upon confronting him. I don't like any of his responses in the 1v1 with me because he seems very sure that I - or whoever he seems to target, is going to be lynched.

I doubt we have a vig because he slipped there were 4 scum in this set-up: 614 >>> Plus, I could see SK-Ranger shooting GM to incriminate that I am scum - since he seems to think that I'm the top lynch today and it will go through.

Why would vig-Ranger - or anybody in the lynchpool - lie about being a vig at this point? Assuming there is 6 town, 3 mafia, and 1 SK - as Ranger stated - a mislynch for town today could conceal a win for scum. Provided that the two shots that will likely happen tonight hit town (conf-town circle)

It also makes sense that Ranger is neither town nor mafia because he tends to scumread other specific people despite any association. 701 - 775

2)

It also makes since for Gray-Scum - to not vote or push to lynch Ranger. I haven't gotten much a townvibe from Gray in this game; and he seems to want Ranger to be lynched, but he holds his vote on me over the idea that I've been "forced to give" content but I've been in the main wagon today. 201 - 524 and 768

The fact that he's been on my wagon last dayphase; and then him not voting Ranger after tunneling me like this (which I've never seen town do) - makes me think that he believes Ranger's claim that there is 4 scum, and that Ranger is the SK. Gray is 1 of 3 mafia, and that Gray wants me lynch to occur to put down another town number

While 2 shots on town tonight could end in a perfect scum-win for Gray-?-?.

3)

As for the other 2 slots for scum...... I don't know for sure. I can see Persivul as a possibility like in 810 for his meh jump on my wagon over the idea he thinks you're more dangerous scum but just wants me out of here. Plus, he hasn't gotten along well with Ranger....

I'm not sure about Errant - but if Ranger is an SK, it could validate his push on Errant on a town-like perspective, since he isn't mafia. So that could still mean that both Ranger and Errant are scum, but not the same alignment. Errant also agreed with the idea of 4 scum in 771 and 795

But I don't know, I can't for sure say whos the entire scumteam without looking at Max in depth. But, Max is voting Ranger; which make me curious as to - if my theory on Ranger-SK and Gray-Mafia is correct then Max could be town, or scum aligned with Gray and Persivul or Errant.

I'll have to do another ISO on that; but I think I'm sure who the scum would be in the possible world where you're town with me, duppin.

Most Likely SK - Maybe Vig?

Ranger

Scum-Team

Gray
Persivul and/or Errant

Least-Likely But Not Impossible

Max

In post 812, duppin wrote:What bothers me, is that you've chosen to push on me instead of Gray. If you are town, I believe GrayFoxxxx should be the obvious lynch from your perspective (because you believe I am his teammate), and if both of us are town he is 99% scum.
The only scenario where it would make sense for you to push on me instead of Gray, is if you believe he might be town and I am scum, but that does not sound like the case at all based on what you've said.

I think Kling's read on me is very questionable - day 1 she says me not being very active isn't a scum tell and was town reading me throughout the whole day, then as soon as I get pushed on today she changes her read and scum reads me for not being very active (I believe she now called it a null tell). I personally believe this is fairly suspicious. I know you can't comment on it Taly, but I just wanted to point it out.

My lynch pool earlier was between you and Persivul, but it's now between you and GrayFoxxxx. I sincerely do not believe you are the alignment. At the moment you seem more suspicious to me based on your overall play and the agenda you are pushing. I think it's weird you chose to go for me over GrayFoxxx, but perhaps I am biased. In my opinion Gray would be the obvious choice from your perspective, but I understand that me pushing on you might've influenced your choice, which I can't blame you for as I tend to do the same.

So I think the choice for todays lynch should be between Brunneis and GrayFoxxxx. I personally think Brunneis is more scummy at the moment, but I think it's very important people voice their opinions, as I'm convinced there is at least one scum between them (it's possible we have a SK so could be two after all, but meh).

I have pushed Gray, but not with a vote. I've constantly spoken to him throughout my main push on you. I wanted to keep seeing your responses to any acussation or general points I made to see if you're more likely scum or town. I don't vote or jump at people for frivolous reasons as much as people like to misrep and scumpaint that is.

As I've stated, my scumread on you hasn't died, but it's weaker seeing your recent posts.

You do make a point, Gray should probably be lynched.

That said Duppin, this doesn't mean that

>>>>>

UNVOTE: duppin
VOTE: GrayFoxxxx

The fact that this vote AND wagon has yet to fucking exist in this game - further entails to me that Gray needs to be wagoned because nobody has voted or pushed him -

and that he's likely scum because SCUM IS PUSHING A MISLYNCH.

Minus the IC, but oh well.

If we could statistically be in mylo, we need to lock our shit up.

GrayFoxxxx wrote:Also brunns latest posts cancel the town vibe he was starting to give off.

So you "almost" townread me, but decided it's best for you to retract that and vaguely state that I'm scum again?

Cute.

Brunneis · Post Post #843 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:01 pm

In post 837, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:God, scum have revealed their affiliation with each other literally a half dozen times, and we haven't even lynched scum yet. This was the sixth time.

Stop offering ways for Klingon and Persivul (Makara) to slime their way out of the inevitable.

Why do you keep singling out Klingon?

The last 2 posts were by Taly.

TALY.

THIS POST IS MADE BY TALY FFS

I mean, I know you've ignored this head of the hydra the entire game, but if your read and vote solely consist of your experience with Klingon then you really need to engage with me, and you still need to engage with me period since you haven't done that at all. Otherwise, go back to doing poems involving Klingon and I as a whole because that's what we're playing as.

Excuse me for being snappy, but I don't take kindly to being ignored so blatantly - especially at posts by me but directed onto my other head - AND even when I've tried to talk to you this entire game, Hermit...

Brunneis · Post Post #844 (isolation #115) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:27 pm

I've just been so patient with you Hermit, I want to actually engage with you but you either don't acknowledge my attempts, scumread my posts, or go after Klingon and mention me every fourth post you refer to either of the 2 of us. Even then it's never a question directed toward me other than you referring to us as Brunneis and advertising our lynch.

I know we've never played any games together Hermit, but at least try to engage with me. That's all I'm asking.

~Taly

I don't like signing as a hydra (I don't mind when Klingon does it, however), it's tedious - and it separates personally from actually working with the other head of my hydra as one individual posting in this game.

Brunneis · Post Post #847 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:59 pm

In post 845, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Actually I have been deriving parts of my scumread from your post. Earlier in the game I actually noted in the thread that the taly head seemed scummier than the klingon head. Lately that shifted.

In post 846, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:But yeah, I keep thinking of klingon when talking about that slot. I do the same thing in other games with hydras, usually calling out the dominant head.

Can you explain to me how Klingon is the dominant head when I'm the one who has pushed Ranger, Duppin, and Gray this dayphase? (Not to say she hasn't done anything, but I'm just pointing that out.)

And if you've derived part of your scumread from my posts - does that just make me a tool for you to strengthen your reasoning for pushing to lynch us then? Because you've hardly said anything about my posts at all this game, and you've not given an inch of explaining why you thought I was scummy in the first place to anyone.

Hell, even Fire said in D1 that he didn't see me as scum. 333 Just because that's changed doesn't mean it's irrelevant.

Furthermore, 288

I'm still waiting for a response here on both questions.

Brunneis · Post Post #863 (isolation #117) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:03 pm

In post 850, GrayFoxxxx wrote:At least Ika is trying to make a case. I'll answer him in my next post.

Brunn says I'm scum, because I'm pushing his wagon.

Pers just votes.

Ika has said nothing against you that I haven't said.

And omg, I almost choked on my tea; I never thought it was possible to have a scummier retort than Ranger, but you surpassed that in just one damn sentence that was a complete misrep and not even a good one.

Do you really expect your scumbuddies do back you up on this? I mean, Pers voted; you at least acknowledged that with no back up to it whatsoever - pretty decent reflection to your posting this game.

You misrep and say that I'm scumreading you because you're pushing my wagon? What the hell?

1)

Duppin made it clear the if I was town, 765 787 797 812 that you'd most likely be scum. He even prompted me to organize my scumreads in accordance to who I already thought was scum.

You saying that I'm scum solely because of something duppin said - while completely ignoring my own formulated reasons and responses against you already makes me think that you're truly scum trying to find weak retorts to seem like you can actually dismiss me. But no, you blatantly misrepped me because I find you scummy for so many reasons:

A)

42 - Why me = Fry me

B)

201 - You parked your vote on me for basically the rest of D1 out of the idea of our "weird interaction" with each other. You ignored the main confrontation I had with GM and Trivium (with Klingon), and you basically did nothing to engage with me on this, even when your votewas placed when it started becoming popular.

C)

517 - "I'm going to townread someone that's benefitting me by wanting to lynch who I want to!" - And it's based off of a VCA that showed 3 VCs, not the 10+ we had in D1.

D)

524 - Regressing on a previous days vote without further interaction is a good scumtactic in mislynching town. Especially ones that aren't explained, which aren't good votes to begin with.

E)

525 - Yup. Lynching me would totally help your scumteam either win the game tonight, or get someone else to be mislynched tomorrow.

These aren't even the main reasons. And each would have been worth a vote on you. If there were 4 other Brunneis' in this game, you'd have ben put at L-1 at this point.

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx -

Just a visual reminder of what this looks like because you haven't seen it enough this game.

789 - Dichotomies! Yay! Don't you know that's what got Trivium lynched yesterday? And me being tunneled by your scumteam today?

I already stated how bad of a post 768 is, if you can't even try to look back and see my original argument that I repeated twice now; then that tells me you're scum, either out of apathy of responding, wanting to misrep me, or just thinking you're immune because I've been the top lynch most of this game - or all of the above.

All of which strike me as scum alone, and with another vote that is deserving - You've been lynched. Why this hasn't happened sooner makes me think you've hidden a lot in this game, because you literally don't have a D1 play - and you're now posting because of my pushes on you, because you now see that your wagon is now moving, and your just throwing vague responses to avoid the actual argument.

If you thought I didn't have a case before - here's it now!

But seriously - this isn't even counting the associations I can pull through realizing your scum by the possibility and Ranger could be an SK. Please read 832, in case you haven't seen it enough or you magically think it's not a reason to vote you as scum because I'm

"OBVIOUSLY voting for you because you've tunneled me practically this whole game so far! LOL RIGHT?"

It's a good color of red which symbolizes the scum that emits from you over the insinuation and misrep on my reasons for pushing you.

Now for 2)

In post 852, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 827, Ika Musume wrote:
In post 768, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@brunn

Reread the specific post regarding Ranger.

Why wouldn't I keep my vote on you? I think you're scum. I'm not as confident in you being scum recently , because your last few posts look a little better. But you have alot of pressure on you, so it's kind of forced content.

Ide like to hear back from ranger, as he is the only other person I would be comfortable voting right now.

this post singlehandedly sums up why I hate grayfoxx's play this game day.

"you've been town posting, but you have a wagon on you so I don't care!"

I'll go with this. He doesn't call me scummy, just says my play is bad.

I'm sticking to my guns on my Brunn read. Was I wrong by saying he was starting to look town?

"You've been town posting, but you have a wagon so idc" leaves out the fact his other posts are scummy.

After his sudden influx of AtE. I'm more confident than ever that he's scum. Not 100 percent, but it's my best guess.

A)

When have I called your play JUST bad? I mean, I've said it's bad. But you're not reading my posts if you think I don't think you're scum. Plus, what's with the word picking here? That's just detracting from the actual point.

B)

What about my "other posts" are scummy - Gray? You somehow randomly started to townread me, and now that I'm voting you - I'm obviously the best lynch candidate? This is very similar to Ranger's reaction... smh. This doesn't look town-motivated.

C)

Influx of AtE? You mean the genuine frustration I've displayed listening to people speak in code, ignore, scumread me, and advertise my lynch today for no blatant reason other than WIFOM?

This post is just.... eckugh.....

>>>>>>>>>

P-Edit

Ranger's vote puts you Gray at L-1 - anything you'd want to say?

Any intent to hammer posts?

Brunneis · Post Post #867 (isolation #118) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:08 pm

@Ika

People on Gray's wagon.

Me
You
Persivul
Now Ranger.

Just clarifying if you thought there was less votes.

Brunneis · Post Post #869 (isolation #119) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:09 pm

Oh wait, I did math wrong.

It's 6 votes to lynch. eckh....

I can't think today, my minds been going on all day.

Yeah, we're at L-2.

Brunneis · Post Post #871 (isolation #120) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:03 pm

If I'm really just voting you because you think I'm scum - why didn't I do it all the way back in D1 when you just jumped on my wagon and "parked" there?

What have you done to change your vote today, or do something else? I don't understand how you could fully believe I'm scum in 200 posts due to a "weird interaction" where you didn't really explain yourself or did that much.

How am I failing to comprehend your Ranger post? What is that post even? You're just referring to 768 where you found a reason to stay on my wagon just because I'm "pressured." But then you said you'd be comfortable with voting for Ranger, but didn't do anything with that.

And yeah, you are misrepping me because I've stated on many levels of why I think you're scum and I have a case on you right now.

Sigh, I need to go to bed; and I feel like I'm repeating myself.... My scumread on you hasn't declined at all.

Brunneis · Post Post #877 (isolation #121) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:29 am

MaxwellPuckett wrote:Picking up my prod. Thought I made an LA post, but I could see how those are easily missable. I'll pm next time.

Anyways, like I said earlier I'm back later today so I'll be able to go back to normal posting then.

From skimming this pages posts I'm seeing a Grayfox wagon. While better than a Brunneis one I'm not sure if I'm feeling it. Ranger or Errant would be better imo but I haven't properly read up yet. See you all tonight

I can see Errant/Ranger being a good wagon. However, there are 3 things that keep me from pushing either of them at this point - which makes me think the best candidate is Gray at this point.

1)

I'm still holding the theory that Ranger is most likely an SK; if not... less likely, but a vig. We're at 6 town, and assuming the latter is true and worst case set-up scenario is true, 3 mafia and 1 SK.

I've explained why I think Gray is most likely in a scumteam. That said - if we lynch 1/3 of the mafia team today; we risk the chances of losing 2 town, 1 town and 1 mafia, and a crosskill of a town, or the SK and town.

Let's do the worst case scenario first: 2 town are targeted to be killed tonight and they're successful. Provided we mislynch today or don't lynch the SK

Mafia will win 3-3-1

We need to reduce the mafia numbers. Especially if we can't entirely say that we do in fact have an SK. Best case scenario if we lynch mafia; only 1 town dies by crosskill or if the SK dies as well.

The ratio would be:

5-2 - If the SK dies.
5-2-1 - If the SK lives.

In any case, we could put ourselves out of mylo if we eliminate scum - and if we don't, mafia could win.

2)

Less sure of Errant, I haven't seen him post much since the major Gray wagon, so I can't exactly tell if that's still the best route. I do say, I'm not sure if I townread or scumread them. I feel like a flip could relieve some ambiguity.

3)

Personally, I can't see town motivation in Gray at this point. Even the response to his wagon, it just comes across as apathetic in his responses, as if he isn't worried, which actually makes me think that'd come from scum versus town.

Scum don't need to pitch a fit when they could be lynched, especially since Gray has 2 other scumbuddies on him.

If Gray is truly town, I think he'd be more concerned at this point - and would be more apt to listen to my case and arguments against him instead of minimizing and dismissing them.

In post 875, The Fire Hermit wrote:I really don't see anything strong as of late for this switch onto grayfox over brunneis.
But w/e.

I think I am doing bad this game, my other head is more confidant in his reads than me. Usually I feel pretty confidant about my reads too.

-Fire

May I help?

Where is a major case for this hydra to be the best lynch? (Other than 2/3s the flips we've seen - which is WIFOM btw)

You can look at these last 3 pages to see how Gray is. ISO us.

Brunneis · Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:57 am

In post 879, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Brunn, I usually park my vote on who I think is scum. I don't know the percentage, but I'm right quite often with atleast one of my D1 scum picks. I have a track record of being mislynched D1 because of this reason. I'm starting to think I should keep my actual scum picks to myself.

Who did you think was scum in D1 other than me? I'm ISOing you and I do not see who else you actually paid attention to with any sort of suspicion or vote.

In post 879, GrayFoxxxx wrote:This situation is familiar to me. In DM2, I knew in my heart of hearts TSO was scum. He somehow orchestrated a beautiful mislynch on me, while manipulating the town into doing pretty much what he wanted. Not saying that you are doing the same thing, just giving an example of why I vote the way I do.

Could you link this game?

In post 879, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Brunn, are you willing to compromise on a ranger lynch? The only difference in our reads is you think he's SK. If this is TvT I think a ranger lynch would help us see that.

I don't know. You've yet to be consistent with your Ranger read.

You townread him a bit in D1, you just now began questioning him these last few pages after my push

But then you want both of us lynched but you remain on the same person you have through the majority of this game.

What changed you from wanting to lynch me, to finally going on Ranger?

In that case, why haven't you changed your vote?

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OK, there's something wrong with this picture.

748 Duppin prompts me to look at my own scumreads and to pursue Gray - but he's yet to do that himself. 788 (However, I'm not ruling out that he wouldn't do that but still....)

I go after Gray since nobody else would - and now I'm being proposed to agree to vote to lynch Ranger who I don't even think is part of the scum team.

Combined with these inconsistencies themselves - and the fact that I've already pursued Ranger...

Just like, what is this?

The activity drop doesn't look good either.

This is the reason why I have an issue with everybody in this game that isn't in the conf-town circle.

duppin

Ranger

GrayFoxxxx

MaxwellPuckett

Persivul

ErrantParabola

The thing that gets me is, numerically - at least 1 of you must be town as well

(These reads can change in a bit, Kling has been a bit busy and isn't entirely caught up to my belief. However, this represents my thoughts at the moment.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ika Musume
Varsoon

The Fire Hermit

I need to talk to you people.

Ika

, what do you think about Ranger?

Varsoon

, how do you feel about a Gray lynch?

Hermit

, why haven't you replied to my 847 - and it contains elements I want you to respond to this entire game.

Brunneis · Post Post #887 (isolation #123) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:18 pm

In post 882, The Fire Hermit wrote:Hey, don't look at me. I have been trying to get scum lynched all game.

The problem is that you are not getting on board the scum wagon and actively propping up the continued existence of scum.

It has been

40

posts since you responded to my 847 in wanting to re-engage with you.

It has been

599

posts since you responded to my 288 - my questions directed toward you.

I'm doing you a favor, Hermit - you won't have to single out Kling anymore to try to figure out whose posting what, because every post I make I'll keep a count of how thoroughly you've ignored this head of the hydra, and this hydra in general in this game.

In post 883, Ika Musume wrote:
In post 880, Brunneis wrote:Ika, what do you think about Ranger?

conflicted, which is why I've been asking her to explain her reads for basically this whole time since I was in the game.

I'm mostly just waiting for the wagon of death on Gray to arrive.

In that case, what do you think about Gray's proposal of compromising for Rangers lynch?

In post 885, Varsoon wrote:Furthermore, I've gone on record saying the only reason I am not voting is so that we have more room for analyzing the voters on the wagon after the flip.

Gray is at L-2 btw - and we have 30 hours before the deadline - just saying that here so everyone is on the same page...

I have the same question toward you as I posed to Ika above.

Brunneis · Post Post #891 (isolation #124) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:07 pm

Varsoon, what is it about the vote counts that preventing you from voting for Gray?

Klingon

Brunneis · Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:01 pm

In post 900, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 877, Brunneis wrote:Less sure of Errant, I haven't seen him post much since the major Gray wagon, so I can't exactly tell if that's still the best route. I do say, I'm not sure if I townread or scumread them. I feel like a flip could relieve some ambiguity.

Brunneis, I don't really understand what you mean where you say this.

Sorry that I haven't been posting much.

I wasn't sure of my read on you - whether you were town or scum

And I thought a flip from the lynchpool would give a better idea. Max believed a wagon on you or Ranger would be better - but I already pursued Ranger, and you weren't posting as Gray's wagon jumped.

And since my suspicion on you from the beginning was iffy or based off of other peoples doings; I didn't think wagoning you instead of Gray would help.

Brunneis · Post Post #942 (isolation #126) » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:56 pm

My head is feeling... meh.... I have been doing a bunch of stuff today with relatives and etc. But I finally am able to post.

Varsoon died.

Quaroath wrote:Greyfoxxxx - (6) Brunneis,
Persivul
, Ika Musume,
Ranger, duppin
, Varsoon

Gray being an SK - that means scum never knew if he were town or not. I'm confident there is at least 1 scum amongst these names.

That's probably why his wagon got so many votes so quickly.

This worries me. Duppin never pushed Gray until I did; which bothers me... It makes me think he wanted to set-up both of our hypothetical mislynches by saying that I was town if Gray was scum, and vice versa. With the idea that he's scum; which I don't know how the hell town would play like he has at this point, but this is mylo, so I'm going to take a bit more time with everything before making a move.

Ranger doesn't look much better, but he may be town, and I want to re-read him a bit... Especially since Klingon and I aren't fond of how Errant looks atm, and Max also gives me a weird feeling.

In post 913, duppin wrote:
In post 912, Ika Musume wrote:in case it's not obvious, i think Brun is the scum-designated LYLO mislynch, which, incidentally, both Ranger and duppin are pushing.

Can this please stop? You (and Brunneis) seriously need to drop this "everyone vs Brunneis" already.

Now I do have a question. Why wasn't Brunneis lynched day 1?

When have I NOT been in the spotlight of being a top lynch candidate in this game?

Plus, the fact that you keep raising the same question about why I wasn't lynched D1 if it were true - just makes me think you're scum evading a valid argument.

But honestly; why the hell would scum care about whether I died, or Trivium did in D1? And furthermore, with all the dichotomies this playerlist has adored attaching to in this game, Trivium would be in a very similar position as I am right now had I had been lynched D1.

In post 915, duppin wrote:
1** I couldn't care less if you think it is scummy to be honest. It's just really frustrating that you are basing all of your reads on Brunneis being town.

2** I know for a fact that your reads are wrong, because you are calling me scum and I know I am town
. I am willing to consider Brunneis to be town, but then you need to provide me with an alternative world, but you fail to do that. (by calling me scum).
When I have to be scum for your reads to add up, I know you are wrong.

Possible scum: Brunneis, Ranger, Persivul, Maxwell and Errant.

3** Brunneis by my top scum at the moment simply based on day 1. Sure you can keep pushing the "trying to set up a mislynch" agenda all you want to, but I know I am town so it's irrelevant.

I'm curious though, does my alignment change your read on Brunneis?
Please just consider me to be town for a moment
- that means that your read about me trying to set up a mislynch is wrong. Does that change your read on Brunneis? Knowing that no one is trying to setup a mislynch? (At least not me).

Brunneis was the leading train day 1. The votes on them were: GrayFoxxxx, Fire Hermit, Trivium and goodmorning.
That's 1 SK, and three confirmed town.

4** Then makara (Persivul's slot) voted on Trivium, even though Brunneis was the leading train. Why?
Also If I was scum, I would have chosen to lynch Brunneis day 1 and keep Trivium around for a mislynch day 2, not the other way around.

Anyway, I have no idea why makara would vote on Trivium instead. I know I voted on Trivium as well after this, but the trains were even and I've already explained why I put my vote on Trivium. Should also be fairly obvious me and Brunneis aren't scum buddies.
If Brunneis was town, I see no reason for makara to do this as scum. If makara was town, it would've made more sense, but that would mean that the team would be Ranger, Errant and Maxwell, and I do not believe Ranger and Errant could be aligned, which means Brunneis would have to replace one of them (in case makara was town), which means that they are still scum.

5** But this seems fairly unlikely to me. I'm pretty sure that Brunneis and Persivul are both scum. Not sure who the last member is though.
My vote is going to end up on either Brunneis or Persivul today. I'm trying to figure out who would be the best lynch, and at the moment I think Brunneis is
.

This post is horrible on so many accounts: (I am bolding the parts specifically that scream scum to me.)

1)

Alright... So it's mylo and you don't give a shit if someone thinks you're scummy? Damn, even town should be concerned at this point because town NEEDS TO ALL VOTE SCUM TO WIN at this point.

Also, you call out that Ika's reads are based on me being town (which is wrong, if you actually read their posts.) - but then WHENEVER I've suspected you, or someone else has - you go on about

"consider me as town about this and"

Seriously? This is too avoidant and too self-conscious about it.

2)

Wow. You say that as if nobody else could say it. Weak retort.

3)

So I've been your top scumread this entire time and you STILL think I'm the top lynch?

You never did fucking anything to push me in D1; and in fact, you even sheeped everybody in voting to lynch Trivium. This is so fabricated out of left-field. 442

4)

Where the hell did Persivul come from in this argument?

5)

Oh, so even though it's mylo - and you could be wrong entirely about the lynchpool

You say you won't vote ANYBODY except for Persivul or myself?

What the hell? You're way too confident to lynch someone in lylo at this point - especially if you wouldn't comply with ANY OTHER notion that could lead to someone else being scum.

In post 918, duppin wrote:Actually, just to make it simple.

If Brunneis is town, the scum are: Persivul, Maxwell and Ranger/Errant.
If Brunneis is scum, the scum are: Brunneis, Persivul and unknown.

So....

If I'm town, it gives you MORE ideas on what the entire scumteam is.

If I'm scum, you don't even know all the people that could possibly be scum with me.

And I'm still the best lynch in MYLO?

Please, re-think this and god forbid you read this entire post and magically find another fake reason to suspect me more, and to pursue my lynch.

In post 921, The Fire Hermit wrote:So Grayfox and Brunneis weren't aligned. That was interesting.
The thing with Kling is she is using heavy AtE which she doesn't use as town as hard. Like its more her scum play than anything else at least from my experience.

-Fire

Not ready to jump the vote anywhere though.
Me and my other head haven't been talking but I think he wants to still push Brunneis

This is why I've had issues with almost everybody in this game for the past 30 pages.

Everybodys reads are mostly based off of Klingon, not me. Not Taly... I've done as much as I can, but everybody is meta-reading Klingon and not even trying with me, except maybe Ika.

I've seen Klingon in both alignments; AtE is not a scum or town tell for her, and I don't think she's even done that this game. -_-

I feel ignored. The only major engagement I've had with people this game was either them calling me scum for no stated reasoning; or me pushing them as a suspect because I actually presented a case on them.

In post 926, duppin wrote:
Kling's townread on me day 1 was very questionable. I called her out several times day 1 for it, as it seemed like she was buddying, yet she never responded.

Are you seriously scumreading someone because they townread you?

Also, why are you still on about KLINGONS READ ON YOU?

In post 926, duppin wrote:I also find this very interesting, because day 2 she changed her townread on me to a scumread out of nowhere, after you and Fire Hermit pushed on me.
I asked her why, and this was her response:

Klingons scumread on you was out of nowhere?

Hello, my name is Taly. Did you not know that I was the one who pushed you in D2.

And out of nowhere? Seriously? Thanks for minimization and misrep, as you can see; there's walls dedicated to our suspicion of you.

In post 926, duppin wrote:
In post 780, Brunneis wrote:
In post 747, duppin wrote:
If you do not mind me asking Kling, what changed your mind? I want Kling to respond, not you Taly.

It was fairly gradual. I'm use to you being a low-volume poster now, so that wasn't alignment-indicative.

That you focused solely on us and Trivium was kinda weird.

Your post aren't content-heavy, as the IC trolls pointed out they're more reactive than proactive.

You aren't my strongest scumread, but I just can't put you into my Town pile.

I'll leave Taly's vote here for now.

Klingoncelt

She claims that me being a low-volume poster isn't alignment indicative, yet she chose to townread me for it day 1, which makes me believe that she was indeed buddying.

Anyway, about Ranger I don't know. She could very well be scum, but I honestly don't really feel like pursuing it today, because I am convinced there is at least one scum between Brunneis and Persivul. Obviously this is easy for me to say since I know I am town, but there has to be at least one scum between them.

Buddying with you? OK, why are you still on about 1 thing that my other head did?

Is that all of what your read is based off of? Because this head of the hydra has interacted with you more than anyone else in this game.

And tbh, I never townread you in first place. Honestly, I don't know why you didn't replace out if you were just going to lurk D1; which in hindsight, makes me question if you were scum laying low?

And again, I have no idea how Persivul came into this equation.

>>>>>>>>>

Not sure what to make of Ranger and Ika atm. But I'll read I depth later... Already fulfilled my capacity for thinking today.

~Taly

I'm caring a bit less about signing at this point, this isn't a secret hydra - and even if it was, I slipped 3 times in this game already and Klingon signs herself.

Maybe signing myself will give people incentive to actually address me?

Brunneis · Post Post #968 (isolation #127) » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:46 am

Max, I was just about to get the mod to prod you or something.

Who are you thinking is the top lynch at the moment?

What do you think about Gray's flip as being an SK?

In post 944, Ika Musume wrote:
In post 942, Brunneis wrote:Not sure what to make of Ranger and Ika atm. But I'll read I depth later... Already fulfilled my capacity for thinking today.

i'm still conftown btw - if i was lying, it would be CDMTTTT and there wouldn't be an SK in the game.

I know. I'm wondering about Ranger still...

Ranger, do you still think duppin is posting strongly as town? And if you do, please give me at least 5 reasons of how you see that because I honestly don't.

In post 951, The Fire Hermit wrote:VOTE: Brunneis

Welcome to mafia 101

......

So while you do every single thing for fire in this game, let me remind you of something of how you've ignored me so thoroughly this game:

It has been 117 posts since you responded to my 847

It has been 676 posts since you responded to my 964

Please, just take one moment to ISO duppin and tell me what you think.

In post 959, duppin wrote:Taly, I'm going have to be honest with you.
You are way too emotional and you need to stop overreacting.

So now I'm being emotional?

Um...

I've never seen town deliberately ignore the points I made against them and accuse me of overreacting.... especially in mylo.

In post 959, duppin wrote:Ika thinks this is a towntell, but some of us do not. I personally get way more frustrated as scum than I do as town, especially if I believe the reads on me are bullshit.

Wow, so I'm scum because I get more emotional than you would? Wtf?

And if you're scum, is that why you keep questioning Klingons D1 townread on you? Because you know it's bullshit and you're deliberately calling out that it is?

Is that why you're ignoring me now because I'm right?

Or, you're town, and you seriously aren't trying to understand me - which I can't understand this would come from town at this point.

But the IC is voting for me, so I guess being the only person in this game to lynch anti-town means nothing if everybody wants to demean everything I say as "AtE" and "desperation" right?

In post 959, duppin wrote:I do not like engaging with you, because you keep misunderstanding me (I mean like yesterday you tried to push the "you talk like you're confirmed town". I mean really?). You just posted one big wall of text, but most of it was basically just you telling me "hurhur your reads are terrible, this is one big conspiracy to get me mislynched #illuminati", and I can't really be bothered responding to that anymore.

Oh seriously? You're not even trying to understand me, and you say you don't like engaging with me on that?

Really? I've been the person to try to engage with you this entire time, and here you're just going to ignore me even more obviously than before?

And no, you just misrepped my entire argument against you again. I have yet to say your reads are terrible as a whole because YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.

And the ones you have expressed? Yeah, they are bad. You refuse to look at anything beyond what someone tells you in this game, and you've had the SAME scumreads on people since D1.

If you can't be bothered to respond to that at least; then why not actually put up a case on me? Or actually pursue someone else so you would have a less narrow vision on who could be todays lynch?

In post 959, duppin wrote:The reads you just gave are pretty damn terrible. Telling ika to consider me to be town for a moment (since he was scumreading me) is in no freaking way a scum tell. Basically your whole wall of random bullshit comes down to this: You are either scum or just too emotional to focus so you just go OMGUS.

My reads are pretty damn terrible? You mean me calling you out that your posts are scum?

Oh BUT WAIT! You only get frustrated as scum when someone has bullshit reads?

So am I supposed to interpret you as scum doing their best to destroy my argument without actual content - or something even more convoluted with the idea you're actually town?

No, telling everyone to consider you as town isn't a scum-tell.

But when I actually do that and consider you town 832

You still want to ride my lynch in mylo for trying to understand YOU?

In post 959, duppin wrote:I'm done engaging with you Taly. I prefer talking with Kling, because I know her and I actually feel like I can communicate with her.

Thanks, you just echoed all my problems with most people here.

You literally just shut me down and ignore me without doing anything else to re-think your scumreads, look at me in a different light as I had done to you, and actually make your read on Klingons head of the hydra somewhat coherent.

In post 959, duppin wrote:I'm also just going to make this very clear. I am only lynching between Persivul and Brunneis, and there is 100% at least one scum between the two of you because if there isn't, then the team would have to be Maxwell, Errant and Ranger, and I do not believe Ranger and Errant can be scum buddies which means this is not possible.
It's really damn simple, so you can call me out for it all you want, but that's not really going to change anything.

Yaaaaaay, because you only think 2 people are scum and can only be scum.

Or well, you'd rather have a narrowed vision in mylo because your reads can't possibly be wrong, right? I mean, you say everyone elses are - but thank god yours is, RIGHT?

In post 959, duppin wrote:Now I know Taly is probably going to respond with yet another wall of text, but just so you know it's very unlikely that I am going to answer you unless I feel it would be better if I did.

Way to repeat yourself on ignoring me when you're not even trying to understand me.

Unless you give me a full readslist explaining your thinking that doesn't involve misrepping or ignoring me as a head of this hydra

I'm going to be that much closer on knowing where my vote should be this dayphase.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This whole Pers calling out Ranger is weird. Especially since Ranger kind of said that this was - or similar to his scum play?

But then, Duppin is pairing Pers with me?

What?

Errant

- What do you think about Pers?

~Taly

Brunneis · Post Post #975 (isolation #128) » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:25 am

It's going to take me a while, but I'll have a wallpost that lays Duppin to waste in a little while.

As for the completely lying Village Idiots hydra, that they aren't dead proves that the Brunnies hydra can't do Night Kills.

I hope you guys had fun this game, because it may well be the last one either one of you play here.

If you had tried to build some sort of case it would have looked better for you, it's clear you're nothing but a couple of little man trolls.

I'm gunna destroy Duppin now, give me half an hour or so.

Brunneis · Post Post #976 (isolation #129) » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:25 am

^ The Klingon ^

Brunneis · Post Post #978 (isolation #130) » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:40 am

In post 977, duppin wrote:I'm sure you are Kling. Perhaps you should consider trying to work me instead of "destroying me", but go ahead.

Oh, I'll work you, alright.

Brunneis · Post Post #996 (isolation #131) » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:49 am

Fun quotes from Duppin:

913

Now I do have a question. Why wasn't Brunneis lynched day 1?

Kind of a dumb, read:useless question. There was no case on us Day 1. Or Day 2 for that matter.

915

I couldn't care less if you think it is scummy to be honest.

So... If someone sees you as Scum, and makes a case, that means you're Town, but there is no case on Brunnies, who therefore are Scum?

Possible scum: Brunneis, Ranger, Persivul, Maxwell and Errant.

Brunneis by my top scum at the moment simply based on day 1.

All of the VTs but you. Noted. We're the biggest scumreads because we weren't lynched D1. Got it.

... If I was scum, I would have chosen to lynch Brunneis day 1 and keep Trivium around for a mislynch day 2, not the other way around.

Why?

Anyway, I have no idea why makara would vote on Trivium instead. I know I voted on Trivium as well after this, but the trains were even and I've already explained why I put my vote on Trivium. Should also be fairly obvious me and Brunneis aren't scum buddies.
If Brunneis was town, I see no reason for makara to do this as scum. If makara was town, it would've made more sense, but that would mean that the team would be Ranger, Errant and Maxwell, and I do not believe Ranger and Errant could be aligned, which means Brunneis would have to replace one of them (in case makara was town), which means that they are still scum.
But this seems fairly unlikely to me. I'm pretty sure that Brunneis and Persivul are both scum. Not sure who the last member is though.
My vote is going to end up on either Brunneis or Persivul today. I'm trying to figure out who would be the best lynch, and at the moment I think Brunneis is.

So... Brunneis and Makara/Persivul are Scum for voting Trivium, but you are Town for voting Trivium.

916

And seeing as I am convinced that the team cant be Ranger, Errant and Maxwell, I'm not lynching anone but Brunneis or Persivul today. I'm inclined to believe both of them are scum, but it's possible that one of them are town and the other scum. But there is 100% at least one scum between them.

Helluva case you built on Persivul there. Voting for the same guy you did n D1.

918

Actually, just to make it simple.

If Brunneis is town, the scum are: Persivul, Maxwell and Ranger/Errant.
If Brunneis is scum, the scum are: Brunneis, Persivul and unknown.

Brunneis is Town. So you named all the other VTs besides yourself.

I notice that you're split on Ranger and Errant.

926

I do agree that they've said things that I think are towny, but that applies pretty much for everyone in the game.

The vote record is against Brunneis, but that does not mean they are scum. I just don't see why makara (Persivul) would deflect if they weren't scum buddies, but it is certainly possible.

Could you make a case that's more lame, please?

Kling's townread on me day 1 was very questionable. I called her out several times day 1 for it, as it seemed like she was buddying, yet she never responded.

Except that I did. And it never seemed like I was buddying because I wasn't.

I also find this very interesting, because day 2 she changed her townread on me to a scumread out of nowhere, after you and Fire Hermit pushed on me.
I asked her why, and this was her response:

"
It was fairly gradual. I'm use to you being a low-volume poster now, so that wasn't alignment-indicative.

That you focused solely on us and Trivium was kinda weird.

Your post aren't content-heavy, as the IC trolls pointed out they're more reactive than proactive.

You aren't my strongest scumread, but I just can't put you into my Town pile.
"

She claims that me being a low-volume poster isn't alignment indicative, yet she chose to townread me for it day 1, which makes me believe that she was indeed buddying.

Say it enough, stupid people might think it's true. I townread you because in a previous game I scumread you for lurking, and you turned out to be Town.

Anyway, about Ranger I don't know. She could very well be scum, but I honestly don't really feel like pursuing it today, because I am convinced there is at least one scum between Brunneis and Persivul. Obviously this is easy for me to say since I know I am town, but there has to be at least one scum between them.

I got a fiver that sez Ranger's on the Scum team. You're pushing Brunneis on no case, pushing Persivul on no case, but won't see if there actually is a case with Ranger?

Not a very Townie way to act when we're in MyLo.

959

Taly, I'm going have to be honest with you.
You are way too emotional and you need to stop overreacting.
Ika thinks this is a towntell, but some of us do not. I personally get way more frustrated as scum than I do as town...

And you are getting frustrated, aren't you?

I do not like engaging with you, because you keep misunderstanding me (I mean like yesterday you tried to push the "you talk like you're confirmed town". I mean really?). You just posted one big wall of text, but most of it was basically just you telling me "hurhur your reads are terrible, this is one big conspiracy to get me mislynched #illuminati", and I can't really be bothered responding to that anymore.

Calling my other head a conspiracy theorist... if you were familiar with my homesite you never would have done that. Suffice it to say you made a huge ass of yourself with that one.

The reads you just gave are pretty damn terrible. Telling ika to consider me to be town for a moment (since he was scumreading me) is in no freaking way a scum tell. Basically your whole wall of random bullshit comes down to this: You are either scum or just too emotional to focus so you just go OMGUS.

Taly's not the one flailing here, boyo.

I'm done engaging with you Taly. I prefer talking with Kling, because I know her and I actually feel like I can communicate with her.

Even though you accuse me of buddying.

I'm also just going to make this very clear. I am only lynching between Persivul and Brunneis, and there is 100% at least one scum between the two of you because if there isn't, then the team would have to be Maxwell, Errant and Ranger, and I do not believe Ranger and Errant can be scum buddies which means this is not possible.

Again, separating Errant and Ranger. I'll be looking at both of them next.

964 (Speaking to Errant)

Yesterday I said that the interactions between you(Errant) and Ranger didn't feel like TvT to me, but I was leaning town on you and liked Ranger's ISO so I didn't really know what to do. Brunneis' alignment won't really influence my read on you. If Brunneis is town, the team would be Persivul, Maxwell and you/Ranger.

How often are you going to say this?

967(Again, speaking to Errant)

I think you are leaning town and Ranger is null, but there is a pretty big chance that one of you are scum.

Looks like ass-covering to me.

Anyway Errant, my point is that I can't make up a scumteam without either Brunneis or Persivul in it. It's impossible for me.
I honestly believe they are scumbuddies, but it very possible one of them is town, so I want to play this safe and figure out who the best lynch is.

Ass-covering

and

coaching. Precious.

969

Yeah I can't be bothered with you Taly. I don't care what you think about that. I'm not trying to be rude, but I find you pretty annoying and if you are truly town I think we should talk about this post game.

O rly?

972

Persivul, you have to realise that I know there is a scum between you and Brunneis, because I do not believe a Errant/Maxwell/Ranger team is possible, because I can't see Errant and Ranger be aligned. This has nothing to do with me basing my reads around anyone being scum. This is really simple PoE.

Except you did not process any eliminations.

I've been stating multiple times it is possible that Brunneis is indeed town, but then you are definitely scum. It's so obvious to me, but I also realise that I have the advantage that I know I am town so I can't blame people for not seeing it.

Okay, STOP! I want EVERYONE here to read that last bit and the rest of this quote with Eric Cartman's voice.

I'm pretty sure Errant is town as this point to be honest. I mean like Ranger, Makara and Brunneis all voted on Errant day 1 (doubt all of them are scum though). Overall gameplay seems towny to me. I really like Errant as town.
Still, that leaves me with Ranger, Persivul, Brunneis and Maxwell. I think the safest option is to lynch Persivul or Brunneis at this point. Still not entirely sure what to make of Ranger, and I really want to hear from Maxwell. He hasn't really done anything at all since day 1.

Persivul the reason I'm questioning Trivium's vote is because I know there is at least one scum between the two of you and Brunneis was the leading vote when he voted on him.[/quote]

This is so bad I don't even...

973

And Persivul saying I'm not basing my read on playstyles is obviously not true at all.

You're not basing your reads on anything.

I sincerely doubt Errant and Ranger could be aligned based on their interactions and I'm pretty sure Errant is town.
Ranger has a pretty good ISO I'd say.

Yeah... I think Team Scum is within these 3.

Brunneis (Taly) has been overreacting to everything I've said pretty much all game. Like check his posts, its like this: WHAT!? duppin you are too awesome, TOO DAMN AWESOME!. I don't consider this a town tell.

The meth. Stop doing it.

I've been engaging with Kling a couple of times, and I get the impression she has been trying to avoid me. I didn't like her initial read on me nor did I like how she suddenly changed her read on me.

Taly's opinion on this doesn't matter, because fact is Kling didn't call me suspicious at all until confirmed townies pushed on me.

Taly has been pushing this whole "setting up for a mislynch" thing all game long, but I personally think that's bullshit. If this was about setting up a mislynch, I fail to see why scum would not choose to do it the other way around. I also dislike the absurd conclusions. Like I say something and Taly comes out of nowhere and tries to twist it.

Overall, I think Taly is overreacting a lot and it makes it a bit difficult for me to read the slot, which is why I'd rather talk to Kling. Of course Taly thinks this is yet another scumtell, but if he is truly town I hope he realises I am doing him a favour, because if it wasn't for Kling I would've voted on him.

So much condescending. And ass covering. So very much.

Brunneis · Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:13 am

In post 998, duppin wrote:Kling, do you sincerely believe you just "destroyed" me?

I was honestly expecting something better, but oh well. Give your reads on Maxwell and Persivul when you have the time please.

It's going to be very late tonight, I'm about to crash.

But I will do it.

Brunneis · Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:14 am

In post 1000, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Klingon's immaturity is icing on top of the cake for why that slot should be lynched. It isn't as bad now as when she was doing all the incredibly fake appeal to emotion shit.

It's too bad Fire didn't muzzle you. I'll be PMing the list mod.

Brunneis · Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:16 am

This is

Taly

here. Klingons asleep.

duppin, I get very vocal as town not because of being pressured but whenever I see a bunch of info. in my head that makes sense - I tend to use it as much as possible to assert my thoughts - especially when

nobody

wants to engage with me on them. There are few things more frustrating in mafia than having someone ignore you, then deem you emotional, desperate, or mean - etc., after you've tried so much to get someone to listen to you - and that has been something I've dealt with a lot in this game, and you aren't the only person who's done it.

We can speak post game and calm down with the clashing - but I'm not taking back my arguments against yours.

I will say, I'm not pleased with your earlier responses right after my last post, but I can see that you're trying to refine your thinking so that makes me question my read on you once more. At the very least, I appreciate that and I think more than just 1 or 2 people should be doing that at this point.

However - I'm tired trying to speak to the IC; I've done all I can to get a response from them and I have gotten nothing. I know Klingons last post wasn't the best articulated but she did bring up some points. Plus, nobody wanted to interact with me - and kept basing their reads on Klingon so I stepped down from posting these past 2 pages.....

reluctantly.

>>>>

Ika, I can go with a Max vote and possible lynch - I don't know about Klingon here, but I do have weird vibes from him, and it's not a good look that he isn't doing anything at the moment.

I feel slightly more confident Errant may be town? Not sure about Pers and Ranger; but they very well could be buddies with someone.

But Ika - you haven't given a huge case on Max, I want to see more of your scumread reasoning on him.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:36 pm

Shit. A flush on content coming around

Little concerned how quickly I'm being townread while possible scum is towning it up?

I mean. Minus Max and Pers.

@Errant

Brunneis, anything scummy about ranger that supports your scuteam theory?

Earlier this dayphase, (like. yesterday.) Ranger pumped in a bunch of early-game analysis - which seemed to get Pers' attention - but stopped after that.

I did like Pers revealing once again of Ranger's scumslip. But I don't know... I keep p-editing and seeing a lot of things going around.

But yeah, originally - I thought Ranger was the SK, but turns out Gray is... Since there's no vig, I'm doing a slight scum lean on Ranger? A slight; their recent posting catches my interest in part. I'm afraid they would be a mislynch since their getting closer to null slowly by the post. Plus other smaller things that made me wonder if they were possibly town in D2.

I'll need to read more in depth before I make another assertion, but I doubt the theory of you both being scumteam is true at this point and I'm closer to seeing you as town so he may still be scum.

>>>>

@Ranger

Ranger, where did this Max vote come from exactly?

Also, to the question you answered - I also asked for you to give like... 5 reasons on why you think duppin is posting strongly as town.

A better question would be - what about Duppin VS Me seems like a TvT to you?

>>>>

@Ika

Did I miss something, Ika? Why did you unvote Max when Ranger voted?

>>>>>

I want to see Max's response to these past few pages before I do anything with a vote. Same goes with Pers on a lesser level.

I don't even want to get into my read with Duppin atm.... It's very volatile atm (likely to change quickly)

~Taly

It's late for me too, so my mind is a little fucked like Errants. XP Plus, I'll need to get with Klingon and discuss this last page and a half.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:16 am

No need to vote for anyone yet, kids.

We have 12 days.

Let's spend the first few looking through each of the suspects.

Brunnies goes last.

Alphabetically Errantparabola is next, so today is all about her.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:17 am

^ Kling ^

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:19 am

In post 1005, The Fire Hermit wrote:
In post 975, Brunneis wrote:
I hope you guys had fun this game, because it may well be the last one either one of you play here.
If you had tried to build some sort of case it would have looked better for you, it's clear you're nothing but a couple of little man trolls

I see that you are going to leverage your unequivocated influence on this site to get me and firebringer banned for trolling, huh? Good luck with that!

Hermit, you were hanging by a thread before this game started. I was one of very few people willing to cut you a break and give you a chance. I regret having done that.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:21 am

In post 1007, Ika Musume wrote:kling, i would like to ask that you step back for the time being

most of what you pointed out isn't indicative of anything. i get the feeling that you started with the preconception duppin is scum, and pointed out every single thing you saw to match the conclusion, rather than fitting the read to the evidence. moreover, even if you *are* right, you won't convince anyone by doing this.

i think you're on the wrong track with this (duppin could be scum but if he is it's not for the reasons you've posted) and i'd like if you could step back, work with me and consider possibilities elsewhere.

I want to go through each of the suspects, one at a time. Let's take a very hard look at everyone.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:34 am

In post 1018, The Fire Hermit wrote:Kling once told me she can go AtE too hard sometimes, I just don't like where she took it and it was blinding me to the events of the game.

-Fire

I suggest you find a link to that quote.

I don't do AtE. The issues I was having this summer were quite real, I buried my daughter-in-law and 5 others, and very nearly lost my son (only child.) I was a fucking basket case, PTSD. I wasn't playing any game when I got emotional, it was very real.

If you ever see me getting emotional, it's real.

KC

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:40 am

Errantparabola

: Brunneis are curious, why did you not vote at all Day 2?

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:18 am

In post 1016, Errantparabola wrote:

QUESTIONS TO YOU ALL.
Brunneis, anything scummy about ranger that supports your scuteam theory?

We aren't yet alphabetically at Ranger yet...

When Duppin put the third Scumteam member between you and Ranger... assuming Duppin is Scum himself and he's trying to save his friends, what better way than to force a choice between them? It's easier to go after the single suspects, Persival and Maxwell. If it comes to you and Ranger, a choice has to be made, virtually ensuring that the one

not

lynched will be townread for the rest of the game.

It's why this Klingon head gets a bit nervous around either/or reads. Most are from Town, but you never know for sure.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:23 am

Errant asks:

Guys do you think that it's more likely for scum to bus one partner or both partners at this point?

The decision to bus

any

partners is entirely reliant upon that particular scumteam member. I know players that won't bus no matter what. I had a teammate bus me needlessly on Day1. It just depends on the player.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:18 am

@Ranger

You spent all of Day1 and the first bit of Day2 voting for Errant.

Please refresh our memories and tell us why.

Do you still suspect Errant? Why or why not?

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:45 am

I'm having trouble getting the site to load. Be back later.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:51 am

Cool.

Any thoughts on Errant today?

(Kling)

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:46 am

I have to eat lunch and do some things, I'll be back directly.

No, I'm not avoiding you, Errant, I'll really be back soon.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:51 pm

In post 1051, Errantparabola wrote:Just lost a post because of the horrendously inconsistent wifi in this godforsaken hotel
Literally walking around the entire place to find thst elusive square fucking inch where the wifi works
So im gonna make a shorter one. Im irrationally frustrated.

1036 your first point confuses me. Whats stopping acum from making the same statement? Elaborate please. Also ranger what do you think about my thoughts on everyone else?

1041 i didnt do shit on day 2 due to rl. been trying to make up for it now by posting about my thoughts based on previous days.

1046 now that i am in full control of my senses, i realize thats a shit question anyway.

1050 if we are talking about thoughts on me, what are yours? If youve already answered please point me to that. Phoneposting sucks.

I don't know if it's your wifi or not, I've been having trouble getting pages to load.

We didn't post much about you, other than suspicion over the RVS interaction between you, Makara, and Ranger.

There are 3 Scum among us, so I'm trying to spend 1 day on each player so everyone can sort things out. It's easier if we focus on one player at a time. (Tomorrow - Tuesday - is Persivul day, Max on Wednesday, Ranger on Thursday, Brunneis on Friday. Then the better focused discussion and voting can happen.

Does anyone have anything to say about Errant?

Brunneis · Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:04 am

I realized

2 people are going to be town in the lynchpool.

I'm doubting a 2 person mafia team unless it's only just Ranger and Duppin, and even that doesn't seem right. Unless I'm reading this weird set-up wrong.

Please point out if I am.

Town

Ika Musume
Fire Hermit
Brunneis

We have 5 town.

So 2 town in a 5 person lynchpool.

For those who still want my head,

that's 3 town to look for in the 6 person lynchpool

. Way to make life harder.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

@Ika

Yeah, I'm sure at this point that if Duppin or Ranger flips scum, the other probably is too. Not too sure about Max.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Going to keep with Klingons theme, however.

Tuesday is Persivul day. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

1)

Did you think the 1v1 of Duppin VS Me was TvT?

2)

835 Tbh, this is one of the few posts that make me curious about you. Why exactly did you jump on the Gray wagon after my push, and Ika's vote?

Plus, Idk if this was lack of paying attention, an expression or phone-posting failure - but this game has only been alive for like a month....

3)

Who out of these:

Errant
Max
Ranger
Duppin
Brunneis

Would you say is where the 2 town lie and why?

@Errant

This head hasn't engaged with you yesterday; sorry. But what do you think about Persivul?

~Taly

Brunneis · Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:29 am

It's Tuesday, so let's see what looks Scummy in Makara/Persivul.

Brunneis · Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:19 am

In post 1060, duppin wrote:@Taly

I'm honestly not entirely sure I understand how the setup works, so I'd like to discuss it.

As far as I can tell the setup is based around 7 letters, correct?

We have a doctor (D), 1-shot cop (C) and IC (M) and Varsoon confirmed we have a roleblocker and based on the setup it has to be a town (b).

That leaves us with TTT, which is: 2 goons + roleblocker and a SK, which means 3 mafias.

So I believe the setup is BCDMTTT but please correct me if I am wrong.
(Town Roleblocker, 1-shot cop, doctor, innocent child, 2 goons + 1 roleblocker and a SK)

Yeah... I'm thinking that's correct, not entirely sure.

(Kind of want a head of Ika to confirm. XP)

In post 1061, Persivul wrote:NSS

What does this mean? ._.

In post 1063, Persivul wrote:
In post 1058, Brunneis wrote:2) 835 Tbh, this is one of the few posts that make me curious about you. Why exactly did you jump on the Gray wagon after my push, and Ika's vote?

Uh, maybe because:

In post 733, Persivul wrote:Notes on grayfox's ISO (chosen first as it's shortest):

Positives: brunn vote was reasonable, he had had a strange exchange with brunn previously and errant was the main wagon at the time

Negatives: commenting on others' conversations rather than directly engaging; 6 fluff posts in a row at one point; votes max out of the blue and announces it's a pressure vote, moves back to brunn in next post

Conclusion: scummy. Grayfox just isn't interested in catching scum, which means he probably is one.

Your vote is 102 posts away from where you gave your reasoning for him as scum.

Why didn't you vote him then instead of when I made the initial push?

Also, you didn't answer your thoughts about the Duppin VS Me TvT or not, nor of what you thought around the lynchpool; so I'm looking for at least a response over that...

>>>>>>>>>

Also, I'm trying to encourage people to add onto discussion here about Pers in any shape or form.

~Taly[/size]

Brunneis · Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:19 pm

Love how whenever Klingon and I decide to methodically talk about each individual player in depth to know where we should vote since we're in mylo - not even excluding ourselves from this - this thread becomes dead with little interaction, even on the subject we're engaging on.

Guess the scumteam either shit themselves, or their planning for something.

And Pers, you're dodging my questions - I'd at least like a reason why.

~Taly

Brunneis · Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:17 am

In post 49, Ranger wrote:... When I posted my vote on makara, I was convinced everyone who had posted was far more likely to be town than not. (Obviously, can't put much stock in RVS posting, but Ika, makara, Varsoon, and GrayFox all didn't look like scum with their opening votes, and you gotta start
somewhere
.) However, I knew that if I voted for someone who hadn't posted with my "may or may not be serious" disclaimer, everyone would assume it wasn't serious. So I voted makara in spite of not thinking makara was scum, waiting for someone to vote in a manner that looked like scum.

Errant following my vote made me instantly think she was scum.

(Klingoncelt head here.)

This post has been bugging me all game long.

"...I was convinced everyone who had posted was far more likely to be town than not. Ika, makara, Varsoon, and GrayFox all didn't look like scum with their opening votes..."

Why did they not look like Scum?

What made you say "everyone would assume it wasn't serious"?

It looks to me like you were trying to set up the first chump that came along.

Brunneis · Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:19 am

In post 1070, Persivul wrote:Well, persivul day was a bust. With Max out I believe it's Ranger day today.

.................

Yeah..........

In post 1071, duppin wrote:Taly, I just don't really have anything to add at the moment. I've already said what I think about Errant and Persivul. I think Persivul is most likely scum, the fact that he is still posting yet ignoring your questions is pretty weird as well.
It sucks that Maxwell is getting replaced, but I really want to speak with that slot.
I don't know about Ranger. The thing is you guys keep saying that me and Ranger have to be scum together for it to make sense, so I know this is not the case. That means if me and Ranger are both town, the team would be Persivul, Maxwell and Errant/Brunneis. I am townreading Errant at the moment, but this might turn out to be a mistake if Brunneis isn't scum. In either case Errant, my answer to your question about the best lynch, I believe now that the lynch should be between Persivul and Maxwell's slot.

Not sure about Klingons head exactly

But Pers is now becoming close to null for me.

Though, I do question you and Ranger - whether you'd both be scum together and the other isn't just really townreading the other or WKing.

Tbh, I don't know where either of your townreads come from, other than "they're posting like town."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Since it's "Ranger Day"

I had a post typed up responding to a few posts Ranger posted the other day and I want to bring that up.

In post 1036, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:A better question would be - what about Duppin VS Me seems like a TvT to you?
Easy. Your posting, both heads, looked like town.
But your points against duppin didn't hold water.
duppin's posting looks like town. And while his stance is reasonable, ultimately, I don't think his scumread on you is correct. Thus, TvT.

What do you mean by my points "didn't hold water"?

In post 1054, Ranger wrote:
Brunneis wrote:@Ranger You spent all of Day1 and the first bit of Day2 voting for Errant. Please refresh our memories and tell us why. Do you still suspect Errant? Why or why not?
Iso me. 49, 233, 259, 287, 411, 459, 467, 474, 514, 515, 516, 557, 570, 591, 701, 775, 862, 928, 934, 936, 945, 948, 949, 1024, and 1036.

Maybe I should've linked you to my posts that
don't
mention Errant in a negative light; that'd probably have been shorter.

I keep looking at these posts and I'm not exactly sure how you're not mentioning Errant in a negative light?

Quite a few of them consist of either you putting her as a scumread 49 411 459 474, wagon speculating in the sense that he might be scum 233 259 514, 515, and 516, you placing your vote on him and saying "nothing has changed" 467, and you saying you were the main force against Errant and wanted his wagon to continue further. 287

Also, from post 557 to 637 - we had our little 1v1 here. The next 200 posts you're on Persivul's wagon.

862 is where you ask "where the errant wagon is" right before you go onto Gray's.

This has been my train of thought looking at most of your ISO so far.... I really don't know what you mean by your suspicion of Errant - or where it came from exactly, and furthermore - why you didn't answer Klingon(the other head) on whether you STILL suspect Errant or not.

I also note that back in D1; I did ask you your reasoning against Errant, but you didn't really engage with reasoning, and said you'd get to it later 190

I'm still not exactly sure from all of what you've said in 514 to 516 - would warrant a strong scumread for nearly most of the game as it has here, especially since you haven't really engaged with Ranger much at all in this.

So... there's my thinking; What do you think about Errant's recent posts in general? Are they still scum to you?

~Taly

Brunneis · Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:59 pm

I would say this is a prodge, but I have a policy as to not flake to death, plus - I need to point out a few things:

In post 1091, Persivul wrote:No, because I think people are going to purposely paint anything I say as suspicious, or plain ignore it. That didn't stop me yesterday, but now that it's mylo, we can't afford that.

This is kind of out of left-field

I'm the one engaging YOU with the questions; if anyone wants to start onto the discussion with their thoughts - that's the whole point of us sorting shit out.

If people ignore you, or anyone else - that's a major indicator that they aren't town whose open to discussion.

And currently, you really haven't responded to my questions toward you. So I'm kind of torn on whether your caution is town or scum motivated?

In post 1094, Ika Musume wrote:
In post 1080, The Fire Hermit wrote:Did the votes just reset? I thought we were much closer to a lynch than this.
Anyways, my other head probably is feeling less motivated to play this game, and I can understand why.

Right now, I just want to lynch someone and call it a day. Would prefer someone in Ranger/duppin/Brunneis.

-Fire

this is literally all of my town reads

can you please consider maxwell-slot? I haven't had any time to look at the game you linked, but I will when I have it.

Can you explain your Ranger and Duppin townreads? I can see Duppin being town at this point.... but eck, I'm not a fan of his posts overall. I appreciate their recent engagements, however.

Also, what do you think about Errant?

Another thing:

But Ika - you haven't given a huge case on Max, I want to see more of your scumread reasoning on him.

Or has this changed with Troy's replace in?

>>>>

I don't know about Kling she's been a bit busy. But I'm getting closer to the idea that Errant and Duppin could be town.

In any case, I'm not going to be very supportive over a lynch on them at this point. This may change after I speak to Klingon but I'm not sure about that.

Currently, I can say the same for Max's slot, tbh. Troy just got into this game, so I want to see his catch-up post and go from there before I make a clear decision on him. But I think he's more likely scum than Errant or Duppin....

So to me that leaves Persivul and Ranger for likely-scum possibilities.

But - boo hoo - I know this isn't too accurate because I know there are probably 3 scum in this set-up. So I guess Troy can join Pers and Ranger on a lesser priority.

And guys, since tomorrow is Friday - which is Brunneis-Conversation day.

QUESTION ME. STEP ON MY TOES (and I'll step on yours). I INSIST. (but I'll be in school for half of that time, but I'll post a few.)

~Taly

Brunneis · Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:31 pm

This is the Klingon head, I'll be back tomorrow too, some R/L came up.

Brunneis · Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:37 am

Pers, where the hell did that vote come from?

1)

Why aren't you considering Max's slot to be scum - yet you do a quick ISO on duppin and vote him out of nowhere?

2)

I mean, I know duppin's D1-D2 game as town would be.... not the worst this game, but not the best (but I can't talk), but what is with the distance on Max?

3)

You're trying to jump on a duppin wagon - when it's BRUNNEIS DAY - when we're trying to figure out shit, but yet you're trying to rally up town to help you with a wagon?

4)

If you wanted this as town, I could see but what is this?:

But I doubt it. You called it earlier:

1013 - "duppin can win if he's scum solely for being like the one person in this game who's actually attempting to refine their reads and work with people

i no longer care enough to read any more into it than that"

You haven't even fully answered my questions about the 1v1 of Duppin and I, and that makes me wonder if you were just keeping duppin as an option to lynch, your townposts don't exactly sound as genuine as I first thought.

>>>>>>>

Ika, were you RBed N1? Did you do anything on N1?

~Taly

Brunneis · Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:11 pm

So we're looking at Persivul and Troy as Scum?

(Klingoncelt)

Brunneis · Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 1127, Persivul wrote:
In post 1125, Brunneis wrote:Pers, where the hell did that vote come from?

1) Why aren't you considering Max's slot to be scum - yet you do a quick ISO on duppin and vote him out of nowhere?

WTF...is no one reading the fucking thread?

705 - I scum read duppin
708 - I pressure duppin and vote duppin
711 - More pressure on duppin
723 - I negatively note duppin's use of self meta
776 - I ask Ranger to explain why she town reads duppin
778 - I argue against her explanation
810 - I move my vote as a duppin wagon wasn't viable, but state that I still like a duppin wagon better.

But I just did a quick ISO of him and voted him out of nowhere... This is some of the worst mafia I've ever seen.

In conclusion...fuck you all. I was right before when I said that no one's really reading this game, they're just waiting for someone to post so they can pick it apart. I should have stuck to that.

1)

This is what I mean by "out of nowhere"

You had a conversation with Ika about Max; Ika pointed out that Max's play seemed like a scumplay.

You then applied all that to duppin logic to duppin:

In conclusion, duppin is scum by your own standards. He played an entire game day around nothing but consensus reads without any effort to engage other scum reads whatsoever.

Someone might argue to you that some players have different playstyles from you and might do that as town, but you've already declared: they just don't.

And not even SPEAK to Ika about her assessment of Max's play, and why she thinks he is scum.

2)

Furthermore, you shoot up a wagon on duppin with:

A)

No engagement with duppin prior

B)

You say you're sure Ika will join you but then say you doubted it - this looks contrived.

C)

You didn't even QUESTION Ika on why she thought Max was scum versus Duppin.

Just because you scumread and suspect Duppin doesn't validate you wagoning him by applying another persons thought process onto them, and then just ISOing them which in turn - ignoring the other persons argument against someone else and then prodding them to sheep you.

In post 1128, Persivul wrote:
Taly, here's a fucking clue for you. Before you say PlayerX is voting PlayerY "out of nowhere":

1. Click on ISO at the top of PlayerX's post
2. Hit Ctrl+f (in Chrome, or whatever it is in the browser you're using)
3. Type PlayerY in the search box and hit Enter

4. READ THE FUCKING POSTS WHERE PLAYERX MENTIONS PLAYERY AND SEE IF YOU'RE PULLING THE "OUT OF NOWHERE" CHARGE OUT OF YOUR ASS BEFORE YOU MAKE IT

This is hurtful, if not unnecessary.

So you're going to ignore all THREE OTHER POINTS I MADE on you, and your vote on duppin - just to berate me for "not reading your posts" and focus your aggression on MY thought to you - that your vote didn't look like it was produced naturally; and then you attack me instead of trying to UNDERSTAND ME?

In post 1129, Persivul wrote:I've had it with this game. I'll make the minimum posts so you don't have to wait for another replacement. At end of phase if you need a fifth vote I'll go with whatever the majority is.

UNVOTE:

.....

I can't see this frustration coming from town at this point.

Pers, I honestly don't understand your frustration with this game. You ignored a lot of points and questions people have thrown at you, and when it seems like nobody is supporting you on a push or thought you have - you blow up and quit continuing with either - your conviction, you actually trying to have a conversation with someone, or both.

I'm seriously trying to speak to you and sort some things out but I don't feel the same motivation coming from you in reciprocation; and even if this was mylo - and even town gets pissy every now and then, that's not excusing you for taking this approach.

>>>>>

On another note, is anyone else wanting a post from Troy right about now?

I just saw Ranger going VLA... sigh.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:05 pm

Klingoncelt here.

21 hours since anyone posted.

It's go time, I think.

VOTE: Troy McClure

Brunneis · Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:57 am

Ugh, scum are probably dancing around right now while nobody is doing anything.

In post 1145, Errantparabola wrote:I'm done with this day phase, honestly. I'd be happy to vote Troy but I'd rather wait for him to actually make a catch up post, honestly.

*THIS IS A NO APATHY ZONE*

In post 1146, Persivul wrote:prodge

Instead of dismissing most things posted toward you, why not just try and respond?

>>>

This is my thought process: (Synced reads with Klingon)

Tbh, I'm getting to the point to where there is at least 1 scum between Pers and Troy, I think they're more likely buddies. Troy promised that he'd make a catch-up post, but that was due 4 days ago.

Pers foxposting and literally ignoring everyone else just like most of this dayphase but with less volume, just makes me more sure that he may be scum.

I keep re-reading Ranger's post and they just seem more town... It's difficult to read them, there's a lot suggesting that they could be scum, and a now-growing amount that suggest they are town. Errant is null for not really doing a lot that is noteworthy. These two aren't a preferred lynch, I kind of want to pursue them in depth and with a clearer head in a later dayphase since a lot of their content revolve around each other.

Other than that, I'm townreading Duppin.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Extra thoughts from myself:

However, the only somewhat-issue I take with Ranger and Duppin is the whole "wallposts of nothing" ~ I find it a bit agitating that my arguments really aren't very credited? I feel like I've been the only person to make points on most everyone in this game in areas that others have ignored.

But then again, if they're town then I can see why my 1v1 with them would make me seem like a nutcase... I still don't like it, but I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative, and even then - if it's town or scum.

I'm going to shit myself if we mislynch today and the scumteam was actually Ranger, Errant, and Duppin. But that seems a bit more far-fetched than Troy/Pers and any combination of the other 3.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:41 pm

I'm 95% sold on Persivul being Scum, but there's that 5% bit of doubt.

Troy, on the other hand, has done nothing to save his slot.

Let's go with Troy today.

Brunneis · Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:39 am

In post 1149, Troy McClure wrote:Hi! Im Troy McClure!

You may remember me from such movies as Christmas Ape 3, and Christmas Ape 4: Christmas Ape vs. The Easter Bunny. Filming for Christmas Ape 5 has ran late, so I still have not read this entire script but am through the first two days. I laughed, cried, and then mostly cried again. Should have most of this done soon. But I have a few theories already.

Yay, we've all been waiting for his post for what... like, 5 days now?

Oh.... So there's no actual content here?

And you already have theories even when you HAVEN'T finished reading through the game? Do tell.

I'm very interested...

In post 1151, The Fire Hermit wrote:So yeah me and my buddy are getting al ittle apathetic to the game.
And our reads are vastly different.

he is hard scum reading pers, who I am just null on tbh.

But its only one we can agree on atm.

VOTE: Persivul

He has taken a step back from the game. Which I kinda want to, but the game must go on!

-Fire

Even announcing apathy is benefitting scum....

What do you and Hermit think about Troy at the moment? His entrance? And his position considering the association with Pers?

And plus, how exactly is Pers a better vote than Troy?

In post 1154, Ika Musume wrote:I'm more interested in which one out of those 2 is more likely to be the RB. I have no fucking idea how to distinguish between mafia goons and mafia PRs, though.

Probably Troy, I feel like Pers' toxic attitude is just to get the towns attention and lynch him.

Plus, from what I recall - Varsoon was blocked N1; Who would have more likely opted to block him? Max or Makara? This probably doesn't mean much since they're both most likely scum, but it's a thought.

In post 1156, Ika Musume wrote:i'm going to read into Errant and duppin more in-depth tomorrow, and then throw down a vote

solely so i can attempt to figure out who the final scum is in case i'm not around tomorro

Errant's ISO is like watching paint dry.

They literally have done nothing with their vote since 370...

Their 'pseudovote' earlier this dayphase on duppin 962 - makes me think that 1 of them is more likely scum than the other, but I'm not entirely sure on this.

I've 1v1ed Duppin twice this game. In retrospect, if he were scum - I feel like he'd have been more cold on the "annoying and don't talking to you" part, plus - it wouldn't make sense for him to actively engage with me twice like that as scum, since literally every post he made I kind of made it look like shit... However, the whole "my arguments didn't hold much weight" gives me a bad taste in my mouth - and I have a similar feeling with Ranger.

Idk, Idk if I can accurately ISO Duppin myself tbh - he's difficult to read, but my gut says most of his posting this dayphase is town, but my only worry is that if scum could fake it.

>>>>

In all, I'm closer to saying Errant is the third scum, but I don't want to go down that path and say it outright because I still want to engage with him at a later time with Ranger - who I'm beginning to townread too, but still.

I believe that Troy is the best vote and lynch, I can settle for Pers but I will need to speak with Klingon and I'm much less worried with my vote on Troy.

And

Ika,

do you think Ranger is town?

~Taly

Brunneis · Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:47 am

In post 1159, Ika Musume wrote:
In post 1158, Brunneis wrote:And you already have theories even when you HAVEN'T finished reading through the game? Do tell.

this is part of why Troy's entrance is a scum entrance btw

The rest of his entrance is complete fluff.

>

Also, have you gotten around to Duppin and Errant yet? What have you concurred if you have?

>>>>>>>>>>>

This isn't a really important question but Ika

Throughout this game, which one of you have posted the most? Or engaged with me more?

Because whoever you are, we are on the same wavelength it feels.

~Taly

Brunneis · Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:08 pm

Ah, I see.

>

But back to important matters

Seriously, 8 posts today and that is all so far? This is weak. Everybody is becoming apathetic, even town; and it's seriously not helping. The fact that this happens reinforces to me that both Troy and Pers are even more likely scum because town would probably be bitching out at this point.

Fire/Hermit - I know you both want Pers lynched versus Troy, but we have to have all town vote to lynch somebody if we want to avoid the idea of

"which scum bussed their buddy"

next dayphase - which will create WIFOM - and we don't need anymore of that especially since we could be looking at game-long mylo from this point forward until we actually win; on the idea that we DON'T lynch the scum PR.

I usually don't ask this of anyone in games, but we really need to comsolidate our votes today. If you have reasons as to why Pers is a better lynch versus Troy or anyone else, I'm all ears - otherwise, I'm asking you to please re-evaluate your vote.

Ika (or - Pie), I'm looking forward to you post over Duppin and Errant.

~Taly

Brunneis · Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:39 pm

In post 1163, The Fire Hermit wrote:
In post 1162, Brunneis wrote:Fire/Hermit - I know you both want Pers lynched versus Troy, but we have to have all town vote to lynch somebody if we want to avoid the idea of "which scum bussed their buddy" next dayphase - which will create WIFOM - and we don't need anymore of that especially since we could be looking at game-long mylo from this point forward until we actually win; on the idea that we DON'T lynch the scum PR.

If I am pushing pers, that means this wagon is at least partially town lead. Right, or wrong?

What's the point of you saying this? It's not a secret that you're conf-town. >_>

In post 1163, The Fire Hermit wrote:Pers is the one I am voting and I don't see me changing my mind on this.

-Fire

Alright then. Since you won't talk about the points of how Troy is more likely the best lynch, then I want to hear why you think Pers is better - since you're leading his wagon.

Build a case of some sort, is what I'm asking. Maybe that'll take away some town apathy.

~Taly

Brunneis · Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:04 pm

In post 1165, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 1158, Brunneis wrote:Errant's ISO is like watching paint dry.

fuckin.... ouch dude
I'll try to make it more entertaining for you

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as harsh. I don't think your play is boring though.

I just said that because you haven't really done a lot to shift the game - whether it's from votes, pushes, or even arguments with others.

~Taly

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:12 am

In post 1167, Errantparabola wrote:Dont worry, i took no offense, lol
And yeah i feel you, my play has been pretty disengaged early game, ive been working to change that but it seems that late game most opinions have stagnated anyway

heh, OK.

Do you have any preference for a Pers or Troy lynch? Where's your vote if you're wanting this dayphase to end?

In post 1168, The Fire Hermit wrote:I liked how Taly is being a town leader right now tbh. I would be willing to disregard my scumread if she pushed a lynch on Persivul, since I still strongly think they are associated with each other.
I find it incredibly suspicious that the slot has avoided ALL contact with persivul. Even in that last post Taly is saying that she is 95% sure that Persivul is scum, but 5% of doubt is making her withhold. Well don't withhold, and vote persivul! That is where all my doubt is stemming from.

- St Constantine

The 95% sure that Pers was scum was by Klingoncelt. In any case, I do believe Pers is scum, I just think that Troy is likely the PR. Me trying to get people to talk will either make my suspicions confirmed, or make me change my mind on a more clear decision.

I've tried to contact Persivul a lot this game (mostly this dayphase, I will admit) - but he's ignored MOST of my posts toward him.

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It frustrates me to hell and back, but I've been in games where SHIT-PLAY like this came from town. Plus, if Pers was scum - I have no idea why he'd still do this unless he wanted to avoid Troy - or another buddy to be lynched. He's asking for a lynch - which worries me and honestly, I'm buying into it. I don't know about Kling, and I don't know about Ika's thought process, but as I've said before - my vote is flexible.

In post 1170, duppin wrote:Hermit, I'm pretty sure Persivul and Troy are both scum but I do not believe Persivul is the roleblocker.

Ranger wrote:So I don't think I have anything to add right now.

._. You guys seem like mirrors when you post together. It doesn't really matter what the posts are about.

But Duppin, if you think Troy is more likely the RB - then where's your vote?

In post 1171, Persivul wrote:Still here!

Due to past experience and meta, I'm actually kind of afraid of lynching those who knowingly do shit play, or just overall are useless - or those who throw "AtE" tantrums. Plus, I've stated before that I want to see Ika post, and I want to sync with Klingon..... Especially in mylo.

But Pers, if you're truly town, then SAY SOMETHING. I've given you so many good chances to change my mind, and you keep

THROWING THEM AWAY.

(As opposed to Troy who hasn't even began, which makes me think he may more likely be the scum PR.)

If I don't see a post by you this evening

(it's like 8 in the morning for me...)

that's actually remotely helpful, that isn't scummy as hell - then I'm going to vote you, and I highly doubt you'll get another chance to prodge again because I won't unvote if you get flashlynched unless Klingon unvotes and is still adamant of a Troy lynch - and/or Ika thinks Troy is better.

~Taly

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:44 am

In post 1173, duppin wrote:Taly I already said I am waiting for Troy to post something, but I get the impression he isn't going to.

Exactly my point

His entrance alone looks scummy for several reasons; furthermore, he should have already caught up by now.

We shouldn't stall this game any longer at this point if most of us have already determined that he and Pers are likely scum buddies and/or scum in general.

>>>>>>>>>>

I'm going to go in a minute or two out with my family. I won't be back for 3-4 hours. If I come back and I don't see a valid response from Pers, then I'm going to switch my vote onto him. Unless somehow Klingon still wants the Troy vote (which I haven't really spoken to her this past day yet) or Ika shows up with his post and makes me re-think some stuff.

~Taly

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 1163, The Fire Hermit wrote:
In post 1162, Brunneis wrote:Fire/Hermit - I know you both want Pers lynched versus Troy, but we have to have all town vote to lynch somebody if we want to avoid the idea of "which scum bussed their buddy" next dayphase - which will create WIFOM - and we don't need anymore of that especially since we could be looking at game-long mylo from this point forward until we actually win; on the idea that we DON'T lynch the scum PR.

If I am pushing pers, that means this wagon is at least partially town lead. Right, or wrong?

Pers is the one I am voting and I don't see me changing my mind on this.

-Fire

Jebus, Fire, quit being such a watermeloann.

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:31 pm

In post 1168, The Fire Hermit wrote:I liked how Taly is being a town leader right now tbh. I would be willing to disregard my scumread if she pushed a lynch on Persivul, since I still strongly think they are associated with each other.
I find it incredibly suspicious that the slot has avoided ALL contact with persivul. Even in that last post Taly is saying that she is 95% sure that Persivul is scum, but 5% of doubt is making her withhold. Well don't withhold, and vote persivul! That is where all my doubt is stemming from.

- St Constantine

Read that post again. Pretty sure that was me, not Taly.

If you two aren't going to play, fucking replace out.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 1171, Persivul wrote:Still here!

Please say something.

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:38 pm

In post 1176, Ika Musume wrote:i was going to make a more in-depth post, but tbh, Taly's Errant stance mostly mirrors where i'm at with them. i'm seeing a lot of words, but no firm stances or any sort of strong push anywhere, and not much effort to really resolve it either (even if i'm viewing their two major analysis posts as this, i would have expected more follow-through from a town player which i didn't really see) which in this position i think is more indicative of scum - compare to duppin who hasn't been around much but had a definitive "maxwell and Persi are scum and i'd lynch either one"

the only thing that has me somewhat worried is that Persi has sat back and done fuck all when it's fairly obvious the lynch is either Troy or him, but i could easily enough see it as him attempting to WIFOM everyone (along the lines of "he didn't save his partner when he could have") or him just not knowing how to approach the situation in a way that wouldn't make him look bad, and troy has done fucking nothing to save his slot, so i don't really care

also, i skimmed that midnight sun game and it took me all of 2 seconds to notice kling's play was different there than it is here.

Ongoing games!! It's a different hydra there, the games is nightless, the kills are different, the roles are different, the players are different. I never play 2 games the same way. Ika should know that.

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:39 pm

I'm good with Pers or Troy, but I very much prefer Troy.

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:45 pm

Unofficial

vote count:

Persivul - The Fire Hermit

Troy McClure - Ranger, Brunneis

Not voting: duppin, Errantparabola, Ika Musume, Troy McClure, Persivul

5 to lynch

Deadline is 4 days, 5-ish hours

Klingoncelt

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:53 pm

This is Taly here.

Tonight was a bit fun, but I was out way longer than expected... Long story short, I'm exhausted; and my allergies are killing me. So I'm not in my best head at the moment to make any decisions

I see Ika putting Troy to L-2 and I trust that - especially since nobody is jumping on that lynch immediately. Kling still rather wants a Troy lynch and I concur. I want to see Troy flip and maybe that'll give Pers incentive to do something

So I'm not moving the vote - which I know is kind of a bitch thing to do considering the basis of my previous posts but Kling and Ika (Pie) have spoken and I'm much more comfortable with my stance/vote being as it is.

I'll get a bit more in depth with everything and be in everybody's face tomorrow. Don't worry.

~Taly

Brunneis · Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:07 pm

Yeah they suck. Except for people like me - I have allergies all year long, the symptoms just depend on the season; and winter and spring is usually the worst.

But I'm about to go to bed anyway.

Before I do:

Please, someone - express intent to hammer before you do. Troy is at L-1.

~Taly

Brunneis · Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:32 am

^^^ I'm pretty sure that's a scum hammer.

Let's hope it was a bus, too.

(Which is most likely.)

~Taly

Brunneis · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:15 am

In post 1194, Persivul wrote:
In post 1188, Brunneis wrote:Please, someone - express intent to hammer before you do. Troy is at L-1.

~Taly

Why?

It's mylo. Everybody should at least have a word on the lynch before it goes through. Judging that Fire wasn't on the wagon, nobody is entirely sure on whos town and not, which ultimately doesn't help us next dayphase.

Your hammer vote was naked - which isn't helpful either.

In post 1194, Persivul wrote:Intent serves to give the prospective lynchee a chance to claim or otherwise defend himself.

Why do you have a set reasoning for this? Giving intent to hammer is useful in most circumstances for a variety of reasons.

In post 1194, Persivul wrote:We've already claimed, and he has made it clear he doesn't intend to defend himself.

And how would you know this for certain?

In post 1194, Persivul wrote:You're just saying things you think sound townie.

Interesting how I've been built up as a townread for most people here - and now I'm being told that I'm trying to sound townie. I'm not going to waste my time doing nothing if I know I could do something.

I haven't heard this argument since D1.

~Taly

Brunneis · Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:46 am

Errant and Persivul's votes were very close together. I could believe they were both bussing.

If that's the case, Troy may not be the RB... but Errant might be. But even then, I'm more sure of Persivul being scum than Errant, so I don't know how valid that is.

Let's just see this flip.... Damnit, the suspense is killing me.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:06 am

No NK...? o.0 And holy shit, we actually killed the scum RB.

Omg Ika you're still here. <3 <3 <3

Yeah, I'm increasingly sure Ranger is town at this point - I don't know why the hell scum-Ranger would 'bus' the scum PR partially D2 and D3

The no NK gives me some doubt, but I'm overall confident on the read.

I'm down with an Errant lynch - the no NK basically buys us a free mislynch if we do fuck up - and if the remaining scum isn't Persivul and/or Errant, then I'm pretty sure that it's one of them and most likely Duppin.

VOTE: Errantparabola

This is L-1

Please give intent, I'd prefer everyone to post before the lynch goes through - at the very least, a heads up - or non-naked vote. >_>

Scum-hammering like Pers did in the previous dayphase is almost equivalent to a scumclaim.

Plus I'll 1v1 you in twilight, and this time - I won't back down even if you just decide to ignore me like most people have in this game at one time or another.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:36 am

In post 1206, duppin wrote:Alright so seems like it is Errant + Persivul. I don't really have anything to add.

So..... Are you expressing intent to hammer when everyone posts

Or is your vote going to be unused like it was D3?

Let's be real here. ^^

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:38 am

In post 1208, duppin wrote:Really? Obviously I would've voted yesterday if I needed to, but I wanted to give him time to show up and I intend to let people show up again today.

Good to know that you share a somewhat like-minded thought process

I just don't know what to make with "I don't really have anything to add."

Especially since that phrasing has been used twice now.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:23 am

In post 1210, Ika Musume wrote:
In post 1205, Brunneis wrote:No NK...? o.0 And holy shit, we actually killed the scum RB.

the no kill happened because i blocked Errant last night

there is no "doubt" about it, unless we think the scum team did a no kill gambit, which i don't think they would have

Oh....

Didn't quite connect the dots there.

In post 1211, Ika Musume wrote:i see Persi lurking. game, set, match?

Pretty sure. I won't pitch a fit if there was a hammer before he posted. He's foxposted ever since there was suspicion on him in D3.

Errantparabola wrote:
In post 1203, Ika Musume wrote:I don't think scum would no-kill gambit here cos lolol forcing themselves to need another mislynch, plus it could just backfire in their face if I block one of them anyway.

Doubt it. The scum thought that you wouldn't block a hard scumread, because they wouldn't make the kill.
So they went for an "nk gambit."
I honestly would have never thought of that.

And you're thinking about that now since Pie brought it up? (Going to refer to Ika as Pie now, since she's the one posting.)

Plus, you weren't exactly a hard scumread - I was ready to flashlynch Pers until Pie decided to vote you - and the posts leading before twilight ended suggested that Pers was going to get lynched...

Now that Pie explained why she is voting for you now - I'm much more confident in the idea of what happened over the no kill, and the push against you.

A final thing:

Doubt it. The scum thought that you wouldn't block a hard scumread, because they wouldn't make the kill.

What the hell is this? The scum thought...?

Interesting to see how you'd know what scum would be thinking given this situation.

>>>>>>

OK, I'm confident in Errant-scum and the lynch - if for some godly reason Errant is town - town isn't going to lose, and that just narrows the lynching field to Persivul who has done nothing remotely towny since D2, and Duppin.... Ranger could be scum, but I'm beginning to see a lot more suggesting he is town, and I'm trusting it for now.

Either way at this point - town is closer to a win, and/or closer to solving the game.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 1214, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 1213, Brunneis wrote:Interesting to see how you'd know what scum would be thinking given this situation.

Considering that it's literally the only reason that they would nk gambit, no, it really isn't.

So.... you're going to justify a no-kill gambit

through the eyes of scum

, just to keep conf-town PR from further incriminating you?

....What am I reading.

In post 1215, Persivul wrote:
In post 1211, Ika Musume wrote:i see Persi lurking. game, set, match?

Persi barely gives a shit, but since you ask:

Who did you block last night?

I would ask you to replace out, but it's not like it matters since your ass is going to eat rope next dayphase.

Btw, Ika already answered your question before you even asked. Just read the first 3 posts above yours....

>>>

So... the only person who hasn't posted at all is Fire Hermit. I've seen enough of this dayphase already, I am almost certain that Errant and Pers are the remaining scum.

We already know Hermits vote is going to magically make this the most townled wagon so far in this game.

I'm just going to take a blind guess and say that Duppin is the final town and the game is solved unless we somehow mislynch Pers or Errant... But it makes no sense that both Pers and Errant can be town, and their posts just make me think they're both scum diverting stuff.

In any case, I've seen enough. I kind of want a hammer... though, I still want to believe to Fire Hermit could add something here. So my hammer policy still applies with less strength.

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~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:19 pm

This isn't priority but also...

Do I come off as harsh or needlessly cruel in my posts guys? I know I can be very stern.

Idk, I'm sure I haven't attacked people personally in this game, but I can have a strong wit. :/

So just FYI - if I sound bitchy in some of my posts, they're not meant to be personal.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:01 pm

..........................................

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 1219, Persivul wrote:
In post 1217, Brunneis wrote:I would ask you to replace out

That's fine by me. Here I thought I was doing everyone a favor by at least meeting the minimum requirements and avoiding another delay. But since that's not good enough:

mod, please replace me since I'm not up to others' standards.

For
Fuck's
Sake

The game's nearly over, Pers, it's ridiculous that you'd replace out because you don't like what 1 player said.

If you don't like what Taly says, then ignore him.

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:03 pm

Klingoncelt ^ ^ ^

Brunneis · Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:20 pm

And Klingon here too.

I very much doubt that the no-kill was a gambit. The smartest thing Scum could have done was NK Ika Musume.

Brunneis · Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:27 am

Taly is back from the initial.... shock, anger, relief, guilt -idek? - of Pers scum-replacing out.

Errant, you're cool too - and thanks. c:

But while we're on the subject, why did I come back to this thread and not see someone hammering you...

~Taly

Brunneis · Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:45 pm

Duppin?

Fire/Hermit?

I'm waiting.

This game is not progressing at all like this. We need a hammer.

~Taly

Brunneis · Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:33 am

The irony in Titus replacing in here....

But yeah. I'm pretty that Persi was scum.

The fact that no kill happened again makes it almost theoretically impossible for town to lose at this point.

VOTE: Titus

~Taly