Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[The Fire Hermit]

Close enough

Let's lynch Brunneis today. Look at Makara and Vedith tommorow.

[Errantparabola]

Will makara and vedith change if brunneis flips town?
Also, if one in makara and vedith flip scum/town, does that change your read on the other?

[Errantparabola]

Ps i think i remember one of your heads saying vedith was town because he was being blatant about his comments. What changed? Or do you guys disagree?

[The Fire Hermit]

No and no.
Makara and Vedith are scum. They will stay scum even if one flipped at the end of today.

Firebringer does think Vedith is town though, and I respect his opinion. I just think firebringer gives people town credit way to often for things that I see scum do all the time.

[Errantparabola]

I dont really agree with the townread on vedith because i dont think that "making blatant anti town comments" is indicative of alignment.
That being said why is vedith scum

[MaxwellPuckett]

Actually, I agree. While makara is debatable, I'm not seeing why you're so confident about Vedith-scum. Even if you don't like Fire's townread.
I like Vedith, if that wasn't obvious. Especially their makara callout. Asking questions is easy, and really only warrants a null read until they do something with all their information.

And I'd rather either goodmorning or Trivium, than Brunneis... And I wouldn't call these associatives, the only association I'm making is tentatively giving Brunneis a pass because them as scum clashes with my other scumreads.

I get where you're coming from with Brunneis, but I'm not comfortable with their lynch.

Duppin, I hope you're still around. Are you currently favouring Trivium or Brunneis as scum right now? Also, I dislike telling players to prove their towniness. Honestly, its a great opportunity for scum to scum to follow up with some votes, of even for town to blame mislynched town for looking scummy. I guess you'd call it a minor pet peeve? I swear, every time town mislynches, they blame the now dead player... Not that I'm accusing you of all this, I just don't like the comment.

[MaxwellPuckett]

That last paragraph has a bunch of typos from my phone. I was trying to say 'great opportunity for scum to follow up with some votes, or even for town to blame mislynches town for looking scummy.'

[The Fire Hermit]

So agreed. The first couple of games I played here, I was blamed because others mislynched me, like it was somehow my fault.

I kept stating that I was focused on scumhunting and not on defending myself, which is how everyone should play. It just gave scum a vote justification, "If he refuses to defend himself..."
"

[The Fire Hermit]

Also I am extremely selective about which reads I share, and especially push.

I see no reason to head into Vedith territory now, even when requested.

[Vedith]

Yeah, stay out of my territory!

[goodmorning]

It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

Kinda? I'm 100% doing ym scum meta intentionaly i was waiting for ppl to realzie it.

Hi gm how ar eyou

gladder now you've posted this? idk why, it isn't very helpful

but still

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@Brunneis 258: I'll answer this later, I'm too tired rn and also we'll probably be going around twice.

Ika's not throwing up any red flags for me yet.
It's been awhile since I've played with Taly, so, again, I'm not confident there.
Sorry, don't really have much to sink my fangs into.

I feel like Ranger's recent post is on-point.
I'd say that we lynch between those three for sure, sure.

I could vote this.

And not only because there's no .gif in this post.

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I have like 0 feelings about duppin and it is super annoying to me

It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

Could you elaborate

He basically doesn't do shit.

wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Shit, that's a good point, they've both been calling me Scum for fucking ages.

wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Taly and I are not 100% in agreement.

Klingoncelt

Aren't you?

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

Klingoncelt

Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?

Associative,

mostly

. Plus reasons.

Klingoncelt

Both of you have been calling me Scum for a while now.

List your reasons for calling us Scum. Everything one of them.

1. Everything.
2. etc.

Very funny.

Please attempt to build a case on us.

Wherefore?

Actually you've just reminded me that Taly was super townreadable in the game I had with him. Like, yeah, I was Mafia, but like I said, I'd have townread him anyway.
So why should Taly, if Town, be worried about being lynched? If you're actually Town he should be expecting me to pick up on that sooner rather than later and swoop to the rescue in Helios' magic chariot.

Unless you're Scum trying to get him mislynched...

Except, as I've already mentioned, I was Scum in that game, and I rescued him then anyway. That's how I play. I townread the people I would townread if I were Town. It's easiest that way.

I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

Just like a good little Scumbuddy should...

lol

[Trivium]

It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

Kinda? I'm 100% doing ym scum meta intentionaly i was waiting for ppl to realzie it.

Hi gm how ar eyou

gladder now you've posted this? idk why, it isn't very helpful

but still

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@Brunneis 258: I'll answer this later, I'm too tired rn and also we'll probably be going around twice.

Ika's not throwing up any red flags for me yet.
It's been awhile since I've played with Taly, so, again, I'm not confident there.
Sorry, don't really have much to sink my fangs into.

I feel like Ranger's recent post is on-point.
I'd say that we lynch between those three for sure, sure.

I could vote this.

And not only because there's no .gif in this post.

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I have like 0 feelings about duppin and it is super annoying to me

It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

Could you elaborate

He basically doesn't do shit.

wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Shit, that's a good point, they've both been calling me Scum for fucking ages.

wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Taly and I are not 100% in agreement.

Klingoncelt

Aren't you?

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

Klingoncelt

Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?

Associative,

mostly

. Plus reasons.

Klingoncelt

Both of you have been calling me Scum for a while now.

List your reasons for calling us Scum. Everything one of them.

1. Everything.
2. etc.

Very funny.

Please attempt to build a case on us.

Wherefore?

Actually you've just reminded me that Taly was super townreadable in the game I had with him. Like, yeah, I was Mafia, but like I said, I'd have townread him anyway.
So why should Taly, if Town, be worried about being lynched? If you're actually Town he should be expecting me to pick up on that sooner rather than later and swoop to the rescue in Helios' magic chariot.

Unless you're Scum trying to get him mislynched...

Except, as I've already mentioned, I was Scum in that game, and I rescued him then anyway. That's how I play. I townread the people I would townread if I were Town. It's easiest that way.

I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

Just like a good little Scumbuddy should...

lol

Why could you vote varsoon?

[goodmorning]

Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.

You're going to townread him based on WIFOM?
Newsflash: people claim Scum as Scum all the time. It doesn't go against anyone's wincon.
Also, by this logic, you should be townreading me too since I've also said I'm playing by my Scum meta.

gm - wk's Trivium lots

p sure we've been over this already

I can say the sky is green as often as I like but it's still not going to make it true.

Varsoon has also attracted a fair amount of scum suspicion as well.

eyyyy more agreement

we cool

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Vedith is probably Town.

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I'm not being lynched today, don't bother trying.

P-Edit:
You can delete stuff you're not asking about, you know.
Why Varsoon? I've been sort of meh on most of his stuff, but 260 is just bad. ika is totally playing to his Scum meta, there's plenty of stuff in this game for one to sink one's fangs into, Ranger's post was just 'omg guys, look, wagons exist and i'm going to randomly call these people Scum for no apparent reason', and if there's nothing for him to 'sink his fangs into' then why is he suddenly fine with narrowing the lynch pool to three (based on what, exactly)?

[Brunneis]

Ranger - FoS for weird bailing on Errant wagon

What.

I'm THE driving force behind the Errant wagon. I voted Errant early and haven't moved my vote since then, with Errant always as my #1 scumread.

Klingon here.

I misinterpreted something, then. You were on the Errant wagon, but later you started talking about GM, Trivium, and us.

A lot of players will leave their vote on someone they aren't interested in any longer while they decide who to switch to.

[Brunneis]

My daughter decided to me born a month early tonight. :')
Gotta vla for 4 days.

Congrats from both our heads!

We hope she and her mom are doing well.

[makara]

Makara - Nothing pinging my Scumdar, seems to be asking good questions... Town

Talk to me about Makara.
Makara seems to be asking good questions? Now, I'm looking over his questions... It's asking why for votes most the time or why someone has said something.
Asking why is just a generic question.

"why?"
"I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?"
"Trivium - can you respond to this. What did you find scummy in particular about my reaction test?"
"Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?"
"I don't get this. How exactly does Trivium using flawed reasoning to push Brunneis make Brunneis less scummy?"

These are very empty questions if you ask me.

Questioning is my playstyle, especially on Day 1 when I get kinda bored. Right now I'm also busy in real life. I would like to post more but I'm unable to right now.

[Errantparabola]

I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

Just like a good little Scumbuddy should...

What would you say if GM didn't townread trivium?

[Vedith]

Right now I'm also busy in real life. I would like to post more but I'm unable to right now.

When will you be free then?
I'd like to discuss directly with you.

[Errantparabola]

Actually you know what? That's a dumb question.
For some reason I thought about confirmation bias being a thing with the association between gm and trivium but I don't think that's where it's at.
I don't think that the association read is particularly strong or anything. Here's another question. Other than GM's inconsistency regarding trivium, what other evidence leads you to make such a strong association read?

[MaxwellPuckett]

Actually you know what? That's a dumb question.
For some reason I thought about confirmation bias being a thing with the association between gm and trivium but I don't think that's where it's at.
I don't think that the association read is particularly strong or anything. Here's another question. Other than GM's inconsistency regarding trivium, what other evidence leads you to make such a strong association read?

Is this question for me, or someone else?

[Brunneis]

Vedith - Not much posting, but no negative pings... Lean Town.

Varsoon - Not much going on there. Null

Ummm, any reason that I go lean town for not posting and Varsoon goes null?
I mean, are there any negative pings from Varsoon?

[/quote]

With you I'm not getting any negative pings.

With Varsoon I'm getting a combination of Town/Scum pings.

Makara - Nothing pinging my Scumdar, seems to be asking good questions... Town

Talk to me about Makara.
Makara seems to be asking good questions? Now, I'm looking over his questions... It's asking why for votes most the time or why someone has said something.
Asking why is just a generic question.

"why?"
"I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?"
"Trivium - can you respond to this. What did you find scummy in particular about my reaction test?"
"Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?"
"I don't get this. How exactly does Trivium using flawed reasoning to push Brunneis make Brunneis less scummy?"

These are very empty questions if you ask me.

[/quote]

They at least get the conversation going and get players to explain themselves. This is only Day 1 after all, so I'm not looking for anything too profound to happen.

Ranger - Scores a couple of Town points, but skips out on things... the Errant thing wasn't good. Lean Scum

Talk to me about this.

[/quote]

In post 49 He says: "Errant following my vote made me instantly think she was scum." He looks around at other players, deciding who else is Scum. At the time it looked like his vote on Errant was Ranger going after easy pickings and being dismayed that his low-hanging fruit wasn't mislynched.

That's been cleared up, Ranger insists that he thinks Errant is Scum, so...

Ranger missed out on answering some questions.

Does your other head agree with any of these reads?

Other than that, I do quite like the scum reads... I'm just not sold on Trivium as much as I am GM, and I'm always a fan of thinking that when a scummy looking person gives 2 scum names, the first is town and the second is scum.
Would you be happy with a GM lynch? As I like that slot for voting.

We're in general agreement, more or less.

I can go with either GM or Trivium.

Klingoncelt

[Brunneis]

Close enough

Let's lynch Brunneis today. Look at Makara and Vedith tommorow.

Shaddup, Hermit. I've fucking had it with you.

You're supposed to be the fucking Town Leader, but you're nothing but a dumbass troll.

If you aren't going to help Town, then fucking lurk for the rest of the game. With any luck you'll be an early NK.

[Brunneis]

^ Klingon ^

[The Fire Hermit]

I just want to make a note, last time I played with Klingon and she used AtE she was scum....
Just making that as a note.

[The Fire Hermit]

Yeah, stay out of my territory!

Hello Town Vedith, lovely day isn't it?