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I hate RVS, so I'm just warning you that I won't really say much, nor read much until tomorrow, when I expect RVS to be over.
This has been another playstyle note by DiamondSentinel!
Thanks for reading!“Why was I chosen?'
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If someone is at L-1 and gives me a decent reason for voting, then I will vote. Otherwise, I will not be voting anytime soon.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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I can't talk about my other games besides my first. Check out Antihero v. Fakegod if you want to see my playstyle. That's my only finished one.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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Absolutely nothing. It's RVS, and I can't really concentrate at this point.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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Fine, someone do a TL;DR for me. I'm a bit stressed on time.“Why was I chosen?'
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I'm sorry about this, MOHIS, but I /in'd a while back when I was dead in my only game. tbh, I forgot about this game until I got the PM, and I'm having a hard time getting in to it.“Why was I chosen?'
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Anyways, read list from last 2 pages.
The Jester is either town, or wolf among more sheep-like wolves. He seems very up-front, and this is usually associated with town. However, I also make sure to keep in mind the opposite, as my first game went terribly after I town-read 2 of the scum because they acted TOO townlike.
My Other Head Is Scum is acting townlike, but in a buddy-ish sort of way. That makes me VERY cautious of him. I'm not sure about him at all. He's in a null-scum for me right now.
I honestly think random, itlepip, and Sharky are all scum. Their interaction is just ridiculous.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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That game's over, so I can quote it now!
Go read Antihero v. Fakegod day 1. You will see my reasons for not voting. It will better explain than I can now. I'm being serious here. I'm in no mood to explain why I won't vote.“Why was I chosen?'
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Also, since I'm fast approaching hammer (dumbasses) can I get a votecount?“Why was I chosen?'
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I'm not saying I won't vote. But on day 1 especially, I am very cautious with my vote. I realize this is the least worrisome time to use it, but I am still cautious.“Why was I chosen?'
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Holy shit, you guys are comedy gold! Maybe I should just stick to theme games. I'm already sucking at first non-theme. Anyways, how about you guys not lynch me and do some actual scumhunting. That'd be nice, please and thank you.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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I answered your questions, besides the one about the vote on Diego, which I have nothing to base it off of. I haven't seen anything scummy, and the same people who are trying to lynch him are now trying to lynch me. That leaves nothing to be said.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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I'm not voting because I don't see anything worthy of my vote.“Why was I chosen?'
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Nobody is acting scummy enough to merit my vote currently. The only ones I'd consider are Jester and MOHIS, and neither or them are strong enough.
PEdit: statement about single player... Hmm
If Jester plays aggressive town, I will almost guarantee he's town.
I don't know if that's what you're looking for, but that's all I got.
PPEdit: None of them are strong enough.“Why was I chosen?'
'Such questions cannot be answered,' said Gandalf. 'You may be sure that it was not for any merit that others do not possess. But you have been chosen, and you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have.”-
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Holy shit, I just realized I'm a moron.
Let's see, I dunno, I guess I'll VOTE: My Other Face is Scum.
That seems good enough.“Why was I chosen?'
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You see, I forgot there was only the doctor in this setup as a PR, so the odds are astronomical of actually lynching him. And besides, what kind of IDIOT wouldn't claim doc if he was about to get lynched.“Why was I chosen?'
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I feel like Oprah's about to go fucking ham on this game, and if you lynch me while I'm asleep, then she definitely will.
I will be asleep for the next 8-9 hours, so don't lynch me while I'm gone. If I'm taken to L-1, please get off me so I can have a last will and testament if you still want to lynch me. If you still deem me lynchable after that statement, then by all means do, but I won't be held responsible at that point.
PEdit: Wrong, itlepip, there's a much bigger reason for it.“Why was I chosen?'
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In post 180, lilith2013 wrote:In post 171, DiamondSentinel wrote:You see, I forgot there was only the doctor in this setup as a PR, so the odds are astronomical of actually lynching him. And besides, what kind of IDIOT wouldn't claim doc if he was about to get lynched.
Can you explain what you mean by "the odds of actually lynching the doctor are astronomical if the doctor is the only PR"--wouldn't the odds of lynching a PR be even higher if there were more PRs? Wouldn't the odds of lynching doctor be just about even with the odds of lynching any other person in this game? How does our chance of lynching doctor go up as the number of PRs goes down? What is this post even.. Is this supposed to be a crumb or something?
I'm saying that the odds are stacked against us lynching the doctor, which is a good thing, thus, I voted. One of my many reasons to not vote on D1 until the end is that I think it's the highest chance to lynch a PR.“Why was I chosen?'
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I can't fully explain why I do anything. If you can't accept that, then just go ahead and lynch me, but I'd suggest that you just over the fact that I don't play how you want me to so that this doesn't end poorly.“Why was I chosen?'
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In post 200, lilith2013 wrote:In post 182, lilith2013 wrote:In post 150, DiamondSentinel wrote:Anyways, read list from last 2 pages.
The Jester is either town, or wolf among more sheep-like wolves. He seems very up-front, and this is usually associated with town. However, I also make sure to keep in mind the opposite, as my first game went terribly after I town-read 2 of the scum because they acted TOO townlike.
My Other Head Is Scum is acting townlike, but in a buddy-ish sort of way. That makes me VERY cautious of him. I'm not sure about him at all. He's in a null-scum for me right now.
I honestly think random, itlepip, and Sharky are all scum. Their interaction is just ridiculous.
Here we have your scumreads. Do you disagree that you called random, itle, and sharky scum or leaned scum on them?
In post 163, DiamondSentinel wrote:I answered your questions, besides the one about the vote on Diego, which I have nothing to base it off of. I haven't seen anything scummy, and the same people who are trying to lynch him are now trying to lynch me. That leaves nothing to be said.
13 posts after you said you saw the interaction between random, itle and sharky as scummy, you say you have no scumreads.
In post 169, DiamondSentinel wrote:Nobody is acting scummy enough to merit my vote currently. The only ones I'd consider are Jester and MOHIS, and neither or them are strong enough.
PEdit: statement about single player... Hmm
If Jester plays aggressive town, I will almost guarantee he's town.
I don't know if that's what you're looking for, but that's all I got.
PPEdit: None of them are strong enough.
Where did your scumreads random, itle and sharky go?
Can.. you.. answer.. my.. question?
Question 1: They were merely musings. It's what I think at a certain time, and doesn't necessarily apply now. Just disregard them for now.
Question 2: Isn't even a question, but see above.
Question 3: Also see questions 1. Every time I post, I'm essentially posting as a new person. My reads don't carry over. I have a poor long-term memory, and won't remember my reasoning for any of this. Again, if that's scummy, then lynch me at this point.“Why was I chosen?'
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I mean, they haven't proved that they're town, yet, but at the same time I don't really know if they're town. I'm just guessing at least one of them is scum.“Why was I chosen?'
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Yes, I realize that I fence sit. I won't deny that. The problem is that you guys are trying to force this in black-and-white perspective. They act scummy, but the situation itself can be town. As such, I'm not confident in lynching them.“Why was I chosen?'
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Jester, can I point out one thing.
Your own signature. It suggests that you have terrible judgement. How about you listen to Sharky, and NOT VOTE FOR ME.
You are 0 for 3 with town. Maybe try listening to someone better than yourself.“Why was I chosen?'
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You guys are dumb, but at least not a hopeless case. Thank God people unvoted me. Anyways, how about you NOT lynch me today, and then deal with me tomorrow as you will.“Why was I chosen?'
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I will not scumhunt because I'm terrible at it, lilith. I know my strengths and weaknesses, and scumhunting, on D1 especially, is not one of my strengths. I do better with reasoning through people's actions and claims. Stop asking a fish to climb a tree. It won't happen.“Why was I chosen?'
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No. Scumhunting is reasoning through people's words. I look at what people actually DO instead of what they say.“Why was I chosen?'
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And as of right now, there's nothing for me to look at in my eyes. I was trying to leave the scumhunting to you guys, and I'll start to really get to work next day.
Also, I guess this was probably my fault. I was too excited about 2 scum factions that I failed to notice the only PR was doctor, which doesn't give much for me to look at. Depending on how this day finishes (assuming I survive) I might just sub out. I'm not a huge fan of games without a lack of PRs.
PEdit: I'm not a noob to mafia. That's how I know I suck at scumhunting. Because I have a lot of experience in mafia, but I still suck at mafia. Also, I wasn't saying I have just stuff to say off of actions on D2. I use night actions as a springboard to make more in-depth conversations.
I work best with actions based off of solid evidence (e.g. lynches, wagons, flips, night actions) instead of people's wishy-washy stances.“Why was I chosen?'
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Well, you have to mod noob games, and then regular games, before getting to theme games which I've found more interesting.“Why was I chosen?'
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Considering everyone's said the same thing on my wagon, I have no thoughts on that. Diego's wagon, I've never gotten any of the reasons for those on that wagon.“Why was I chosen?'
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Thank you, but again, makes me very suspicious. Last time someone stood up for me, they were scum.“Why was I chosen?'
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Look at my only completed game. I have reason to say that consideringall threeof the scum were defending me.“Why was I chosen?'
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I've given mine, and people have shot them down, so someone else give them, and I'll comment on them.“Why was I chosen?'
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Well, I'll try, but this is too close to vanilla. I think I might sub out, but I'm not sure yet.“Why was I chosen?'
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It's not even that I want cops or anything that give definite scum/not scum answers. I just want something where I can look at people's actions, not necessarily their words.“Why was I chosen?'
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In post 265, Sharky5x wrote:i almost wish i hammered diamond while i couldve, this is ridiculous
If that statement isn't scummy, I don't know what is...“Why was I chosen?'
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In post 272, Sharky5x wrote:yes because as scum if i get voted one time i immediately give up and shitpost
itepip is scum
diamond is either really newbie scum "Yeah, might as well", or newbie town trying to actually play and fit in
by the way you gotta spell my name right for it to count i believe
You proved your own point with the shitpost thing...
And if that's the case VOTE: Sharky“Why was I chosen?'
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In post 287, My Other Head Is Scum wrote:In post 272, Sharky5x wrote:yes because as scum if i get voted one time i immediately give up and shitpost
itepip is scum
diamond is either really newbie scum "Yeah, might as well", or newbie town trying to actually play and fit in
by the way you gotta spell my name right for it to count i believe
How is itepip scum?
Diamond is not newbie and we covered this.
This reads list is pretty bad imo.
I'm site noobie.
Anyways, I'm a tad confused. Sharky continues to shitpost even after he's been caught. I don't know if that warrants an unlynch, but it's worth noting.“Why was I chosen?'
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We have 3 people who haven't posted in over a day, and 1 for over 2. Think we could get some input from Diego, Apricity, and Not_Mafia?“Why was I chosen?'
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Also, I'm *totally* not taking this page top...
But the last post was genuinely serious.
You guys have been too busy trying to wagon on me that you've forgotten that there are 3 people lurking, and one of them was a previous wagon. Go figure.“Why was I chosen?'
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I just gave the lurkers.
Not sure on Diego, but everyone else seems to scumread him.
Jester is pinging me, and I'm not sure I like it.
My Other Face is Scum reminds me of Shinobi from my last game.
Randomigit seems like sorta obvi-scum to me, I don't know why others can't see that.
Lilith reminds me of someone I'm encountering in another game, and is a town-read, so I have a town-read on her.
itlepup can go either way, tbh. He seems polite, which can be either town leader, or a scum among less town-like scum. He's a null read for me, as in I don't know what he'll flip for now.
Nobody else has posted enough to be noteworthy.“Why was I chosen?'
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Shinobi was scum that game, sorry, I thought I had put Shinobi-scum.
It's hard to describe Jester's scuminess for me. It's little nuances here and there that have prodded this scum-read.
PEdit: Lurkers indicative of allignment? Not in the slightest. In a game like this, where there are a lot of VTs, then there are a lot of people who might be bored with this game, and decide that they don't want to work too hard on D1. Now, in a game where everyone is an active role, like a lot of theme games, lurking either means a super-powerful night action, or scum. Of that I'm almost certain.“Why was I chosen?'
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Everything Randomigit has done has seemed to be trying to run town off the rails. He/she hasn't said anything of value, and seems to cause chaos whenever they post.“Why was I chosen?'
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Also, to clarify on MOHIS, Shinobi was constantly defending me and agreed with virtually everything I've said. It's made me wary about these playstyles.“Why was I chosen?'
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For him, it's even stronger, since MOHIS voted me, even though he was saying that he didn't see me as scum.“Why was I chosen?'
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Oh, I'm in ANOTHER game with fire? Huh... That explains it, actually.
Post 280 almost begs people to chase his stupid rabbit hole that he still hasn't addressed.
296 was ridiculous. "I don't lynch people off of vibes D1" WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU VOTE THEM OFF OF?“Why was I chosen?'
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You say that, lilith, and then all of mine are exactly wrong, and all of my town-reads are scum, and vice versa. That's what happened during my only other finished game.
Our 2 big town players died, so I tried to take control of the town, and failed miserably.“Why was I chosen?'
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In post 318, itlepip wrote:In post 317, DiamondSentinel wrote:You say that, lilith, and then all of mine are exactly wrong, and all of my town-reads are scum, and vice versa. That's what happened during my only other finished game.
Our 2 big town players died, so I tried to take control of the town, and failed miserably.
What is your opinion of sharky?
Also sharky, my priority is today is a. Find scum and b. get people to give reads that can be analyzed in future days. For me both of these goals are basic town priorities, so when someone refuses to have one of these goals accomplished, I will vote for them. As you can see, the wagon on diamond successfully wrung him hard enough for some reads and even a vote to drop out, and now Diamond is a functioning member of town. You on the other hand react to any scum accusation with 'lol no you are scum' to the extent that I would love you to be lynched here. My read on you hasn't wavered at all, but the good to town by pressuring Diamond was worth more then working to lynch you. I was always intending to go back to your wagon once Diamond started giving reads, so you whining about it now is dumb.
Well, right now, he's up in the air. He seems scummy, but at the same time, he seems more pro-town than some on here.
PEdit: That last post seems very scummy...“Why was I chosen?'
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That's a ridiculous thing for itle to say.
You say scummy things, but you are also working to help town, it seems.“Why was I chosen?'
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