Open 635 - JK9++ (Game Over)

[Titus]

VOTE: ConManMick

Hi everybody, I'm TTH. I like to fill up balloons with my farts and then pop them with a lighter.

wtf.

VOTE: TheShowMustGoOn

Votes someone yet wtf someone else.

Scumdar ringing. Pile on.

[Titus]

hi Titus

Hi. You should sheep me. Let's get a scum lynch by page 5.

[Titus]

VOTE: TheShowMustGoOn

Would also prefer the show stops going on, I think it really dwindled after season 2.

scum

Why no vote here? Missed this on first pass.

[Titus]

It doesn't even approach hyperbole.
Titus knows that I get pissy about even getting voted and her thing against me is that I wtfed TTH's fart balloon comment.
If she were town and legitimately scumreading me she'd tread a lot lighter here. this is her being scum.

I'll suppose this is RC talking. Well, frankly I don't care about what gets my scumreads pissy. I care about what gets me to sort them. That's what we're trying to do. Sort you. I can figure you out by you and UTL's reaction under pressure.

I'm not supposed to vote you because you might get upset? Oh no.

Plus, anyone who knows me knows I don't "tread lightly". I don't have a lightly button.

[Titus]

hi Titus

Hi. You should sheep me. Let's get a scum lynch by page 5.

VOTE: Titus

Sheep kill town.

- The most Radical of Rats( Radical Rat )

Nah, sheep don't. Too many cooks in the kitchen do. Solid town unify. Good news is, you're likely town.

[Titus]

VOTE: TheShowMustGoOn

Would also prefer the show stops going on, I think it really dwindled after season 2.

scum

Why no vote here? Missed this on first pass.

Why would I unvote scum to vote scum?

You had two scumreads by post 11?

[Titus]

Can you sign please? I am trying not to give RC a hard time BC we always go against each other, so it would help me to do that.

Instead of working to persuade me, MKA jumps down my throat. It looks desperate to create a sideshow but I have been trying not to jump down n RC slot like I do every game.

Hey I don't need Skype convos as a source to prove that you're full of shit here. It's great!

I was scum there. Survival was more important than scumhunting, even though Multiball. I don't like we go after each other all the time, but if I think you're scum, you're going to get rope.

No pass on RVS shit.

[Titus]

I love how you always do this, this thing you do where you drag your actions away from their context and make it impersonal and strategic.
Go on, AtE me. Try to make me feel bad for pushing on you. see where it gets you.

The game IS all about motivations and why people do things. I am at my best at that level, regardless of alignment.

You're trying to make this personal and about baggage to deflect rather than scumhunt.

[Titus]

VOTE: TheShowMustGoOn

Would also prefer the show stops going on, I think it really dwindled after season 2.

scum

Why no vote here? Missed this on first pass.

Why would I unvote scum to vote scum?

You had two scumreads by post 11?

Well I do have a day cop, so yes.

And just why in the hell would you CLAIM that? Unless you're a 1-shot, which then brings me to ask... Just why in the hell would you use that on D2?

Okay anarchy is town. Coolio

Late to the party there.

[Titus]

3dice literally said "scum are more likely to read the setup then town". I'm stating I don't think that's true.

Yes that's what I stated, but that has no indication on someone who has read it because they have an equal chance of being scum who wanted to know the setup for their teams benefit, or town who wanted to know what they were playing.

Like, that would be a double standard considering I'm town and I read the setup.

This is seriously a thing. Everyone should read the setup prior to playing.

[Titus]

Now who is twisting and taking things out of context. You're scummy. I vote you. You take every vote personal? Hardly. You're trying to make it personal. You are claiming I am scum solely because I voted you.

For someone who is purporting to know me, you haven't learned a damn thing.

I never said being abstract is a scumtell RC. I said it's who I am. You do scummy things I vote you. Doesn't matter who you are.

Oh, I am scummy for voting you because I knew you'd OMGUS me and try to make it personal.

You did this before as scum...and you won.

[Titus]

Walking dead was a shitshow because of the hood bickering with each other constantly, not specifically because of one person.
Heartless still null af for me.
RC/Titus waiting to sort until they stop fighting and I can actually analyze the non-"you always do this to me!!!" stuff.

VOTE: Titus
I'm gonna bite on this because Titus's initial accusation of the "wtf" comment was horrid and RC's raging feels legit.

Yeah, so a comment about how I am worse than hitler is genuine rage? So what? No one is saying RC's rage isn't genuine. He's raging to make things look personal. Davesto and Pisskop raged in Zelda in much the same way.

@spiffeh, why do you think I am town?

@RC, Talk to UTL. K thanks bye. Maybe she can give you a sedative.

[Titus]

@Spiffeh, is Show town to you? Cakey?

How is Anti different here than normal?

[Titus]

Ok

I'm at

Spiffeh town
3dice lean town, but meh the opening
Postie lean town
TTH null (need more than AtE, no matter how genuine looking the frustration)
Anarchy town
SirCakez lean scum
Show strong lean scum

Engage me or not. I'm really tired.

[Titus]

I am positive Heartless is scum

I'm like 95% certain you're not saying this seriously.

Be it a joke or a reaction.

But in the off chance that you actually are?

Do forgive me if I don't take YOUR word for it.

Ewwwww

[Titus]

Ranger, Minsc and Boo is Titus, alt slip

Did not know that. In that case:
{Postie, Aeronaut, Heartless}
{Spiffeh, Witch_Hunter, davesaz, Anarchy Shard}
{SirCakez}
{Titus, TheShowMustGoOn}
{3dicerolling, ConManMick}

Yes, I know, I put Titus in the same tier as RC, I'm quite aware. The read there is basically "one scum, other either not or is-SK".

Both you and 3dr are totally scum either way, though.

Really, that looks fake. I quoted my alt slip in the next post. How could you not know that?

[Titus]

I am positive Heartless is scum

I'm like 95% certain you're not saying this seriously.

Be it a joke or a reaction.

But in the off chance that you actually are?

Do forgive me if I don't take YOUR word for it.

Ewwwww

What's wrong with this exactly?

Diminishes your read
Then discredits if serious, as if the read is bad because you suggested it

[Titus]

Who is Mastina 2.0? If me, you'd make my day if not for it being my anniversary.

[Titus]

@RC, You're seriously arguing that I came into the game intending on a D1 lynch as scum AND that you're an expert on me as scum? Like you're not joking with that? Practically every one of my scum PTs ever disproves that notion. So why do you persist in a case that's terrible?

I see there are other things going on. I will need to see if there's a question. I'm semi out for the day. It's my anniversary.

[Titus]

I know for a fact that Postie told you guys to do it and you went along with it.

Are you serious with this? Like for reals? April fools was 6 days ago sweetie.

[Titus]

It is why Postie is scum.
I guarantee you that she suggested this nonsense RC push.

So your theory is now that

1) Postie suggested that we push you off the bat immediately
2) I went along with that knowing that Postie would back me up
3) We decided this at the outset of the game

Seriously?

[Titus]

I know for a fact that Postie told you guys to do it and you went along with it.

Are you serious with this? Like for reals? April fools was 6 days ago sweetie.

I like your discrediting. It goes well with your deflection and your basically scumclaiming.

Grab our scum PT from that game where we were scum together and RC was town Postie. We can let others judge how I play scum.

[Titus]

You say that now.

1) Postie suggested that we push you off the bat immediately
2) I went along with that knowing that Postie would back me up
3) We decided this at the outset of the game

Yes, that is my theory!
There's no other reason I can come up with that you would have pushed me from the get go, and since you are both clearly scum it makes the most sense.

Maybe Titus is scum?

yes, she is.

Or the simpler version

You were scummy. I voted you. You threw a tantrum like every game.

[Titus]

Or the simpler version

You were scummy. I voted you. You threw a tantrum like every game.

Which goes back to the fact that you know that you won't get a good reaction from Town!RC by pushing a terrible case on me.
Also, your 'RC is scummy!' was... me saying WTF to Anti saying that TTH farts into balloons.
That's forced. That's a preplanned move.

Yup. That post was indeed scummy.

Voting someone, doubtcasting via joke = scummy as hell. It used to be a scumtell but some smart did it in an open game.

[Titus]

I don't vote based on how my scumreads would react btw. I vote because they are scum. I never have been and probably never will be an orchestrated planner.

Your response, to OMGUS and try to discredit instead of realizing why I voted you is frankly rather scummy. It's not like you signed. I didn't even know which head was talking.

[Titus]

'doubtcasting via joke'
meanwhile I'm townreading the shit out of heartless.
right.

It's what you did at the start. Mentioning your current hypothetical read is besides the point RC.

[Titus]

Titus you don't think RC can be this ridiculous as town?

It's possible. Likely no. She's my biggest scumread. I'm surprised UTL hasn't flat out said, you're being ridiculous RC and just told her to knock it off.

[Titus]

RC is a guy

I'm bad on this. The avatar RC uses makes me think a chick. I know better too.

Still I don't see how RC thinks I'm scum here at all as town. Help me Spiffeh if you think they are town.

[Titus]

Why is UTL town? Which pistscare utl

Drunk Titus says hiiio

[Titus]

Spiffeh if you're like 100% sure on rc I could go cakey or connam but I really think rc is scum and just drama drowning

[Titus]

pistscare

Posts are utl derpppp

[Titus]

My read on postie is lean town. I also wanna compare her spreadsheet to my vca. The last game we played she was totes different. Of course we were buddies there.

I think you're scum because rather than calmly reacted to my suspicion. You omgused with garbage and made the game bout me drama.

[Titus]

Patterns we got some patterns yo bad pattern matching bad of course define pattern matching hard

Now rc/utl, next test for you reads on cakey conman ranger tth and anarchy please

[Titus]

uh

Yes?

Rebooting drunk Titus computer. Illogical answer received to question.

Which posts are UTL? Why r those townie?

[Titus]

Even if you weren't, your reaction was terribad omgussy and dramaey. Plus you know I look for inconsistent motivations and odd votes to break RVS. See viva game

I am scumreading you for things scum do. Not just you.

[Titus]

Reads RC? I asked you for them.

We aren't going to rehash the past elebty pages when I am drunk.

[Titus]

Sonic, you are a bad player and if I were scum you would be defending me to the death right now.

No true scotsman

[Titus]

You pushed me for inconsistent motivations because I wtfed a joke.
I scumread you for it.
I don't think there's any room for you not understanding my reaction. And that 'scumreading you for things scum do' sounds exactly like Postie's weird stance on me.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8199238

-Sonic/Radical Rat

I love this. Please don't b scum

[Titus]

Reads RC? I asked you for them.

We aren't going to rehash the past elebty pages when I am drunk.

[Titus]

{Aeronaut, Heartless}
{Ranger}
{Anarchy}
~null~
{ConManMick}
{Spiffeh}
{Titus, Postie}

But the best way to learn is through experience, so I'm gonna keep playing and "git gud" as the kids say, and you're not going to dissuade me with petty insults.

That problem is with you and not me.
I'm neither voting you nor myself.

And sir cakez

[Titus]

uh

Yes?

Rebooting drunk Titus computer. Illogical answer received to question.

Which posts are UTL? Why r those townie?

Spiffeh help meeee

[Titus]

Why Sircakez?

BC I am scumreading him and town u tend to have same reads as me but get tunnel vision on me.

I was testing

Spiffeh too low

Conman and sc scummy

[Titus]

Postie too low too le Derp

[Titus]

Are you concerned about anarchy buddying me RC?

[Titus]

@Anti, I would be moar worried if u were townreading me ATM.

@RC, Reasonably sure, you had em just able null?

[Titus]

@Cakey, reads list plz

[Titus]

I wanna say the answer is cakey conman rc

Someone beat me over da head

[Titus]

(Show Must Go On, Anarchy Shard, Heartless)
(Ranger, Spiffeh)
(Witch Hunter, 3dice, Aero, Postie)
(Dave, ConManMick)
(Titus)

Don't have enough scumreads oddly, I usually have too many.

This totally no align w ur posts.

why you roll scum cakey?

[Titus]

But then would that make me the crazy female doc brown?

Someone talk to me about my cakey and conman reads

The only reads that get attention is me versus rc and bleh I am just as Congo on the others

[Titus]

Well that happens when you decide that you want to make a big flashy fight with me at the start of day 1.

And what do you mean Congo?

Except I didn't. You made it about the drama. I voted an unsigned post that was a jokey discredit.

Congo is confo

[Titus]

That not a single person besides you believes is a discredit. Yeah, we heard.
And no, you couldn't have not known that this was going to happen.
Unless you can give a legitimate explanation of what's going on with these things I'm never unvoting you.

You're scum so I don't mind you vote parking my obvtown ass.

Discuss my other fucking scumreads. I want to see if my answer is right.

[Titus]

In other words, if the unpopular truth isn't legitimate to you, bite me scumfuck.

[Titus]

Except I'm fucking town.

But sure, what's your CMM read?

You're seriously playing that dumb? My god how are you not dead. I said I think the answer is you Cakey and Conman, soooo wtf do you think my read is.

Talk about my reads.

[Titus]

Why is conman scum? Read his ISO. Naked voting, no scumhunting, slipping through by doing nothing.

Now, your position on Conman and Cakey.

[Titus]

Well no one's scum with me, so trying to fit facts to untruths is kinda problematic for town.

Sircakez has shit trajectory and buddies the fuck out of people.

[Titus]

*ignores your whining*

UTL, reads on conman and Cakey.

[Titus]

*ignores your whining*

UTL, reads on conman and Cakey.

Was this really necessary?

Are you talking about reads or bitching about me?

As long as the latter happens, my calling you out is required.

[Titus]

So, UTL hates call outs? Really? All I want UTL to do is give reads on Cakey and conman. Is that hard?

She just whined.

[Titus]

No, you saw I was already pissed off and you decided to push it further. Fuck that. If you want reads from me, ask for them without the bullshit attached and hey, maybe you'll get somewhere.

-UTL

You were annoyed at shitty content. I asked for you to show us how it's done. You object to the phrasing. The phrasing. It ain't personal. If you act town, I don't need to call you out to get content and trying to play a victim while doing zero to fix the issues you imply exist.

[Titus]

What's wrong with his trajectory and who is he buddying besides me?

At this point, buddying you and shit trajectory is all I need atm.

[Titus]

I thought we were scum together, so buddying?

Yup. Scum buddying each other happens all the fucking time.

[Titus]

Walking dead was a shitshow because of the hood bickering with each other constantly, not specifically because of one person.
Heartless still null af for me.
RC/Titus waiting to sort until they stop fighting and I can actually analyze the non-"you always do this to me!!!" stuff.

The last time I sheeped you away from my own scumreads onto someone else they were town
So no I'm not following your whims this time.

VOTE: Titus
I'm gonna bite on this because Titus's initial accusation of the "wtf" comment was horrid and RC's raging feels legit.

First sample,

I am going to wait, all of fifteen minutes after I said the last time I sheeped was bad.

Shit trajectory.

[Titus]

Well, if you want to bus/vote them, I will. Early game I vote the scums with the biggest wagon. Right now that's you with two votes.

What key points?

[Titus]

That not a single person besides you believes is a discredit. Yeah, we heard.
And no, you couldn't have not known that this was going to happen.
Unless you can give a legitimate explanation of what's going on with these things I'm never unvoting you.

You're scum so I don't mind you vote parking my obvtown ass.

Discuss my other fucking scumreads. I want to see if my answer is right.

Obvtown? Didn't you just say less than a page before this that you'd be worried if you were being townread?

Yes, by TTH. I should be obvtown to RC, Cakey and most everyone else. Tth seems to evaluate me by the clarity of my positions which is terrible because I was drunk.

[Titus]

Yup I am about 85% certain my theory is right and no one is engaging otherwise but scum.

So I am going to sit back on the 3dice wagon, let y'all sort him as town then trust y'all to trust me.

[Titus]

VOTE: 3dicerolling
Not really following up on anything.

I could see Titus vs RC as any of: tvt/tvs/svt/svs. IE I can't figure out either one's alignment with any kind of certainty based on what's been happening. And they're both focusing on associations the other might have.

Truthfully, I agree. Perhaps that's why I'm apparently playing horribly wrong here, but I don't see us making any progress until one of them dies and/or they stop with whatever grudge they have against eachother.

I'm going with RC because I find them more obnoxious/unreasonable.

Though I don't think it's TvT, so yeah.

If you want to avoid voting RC, you could vote Conman or Cakez.

Anything else isn't progress but likely a mislynch at this point and I have very little interest.

[Titus]

VOTE: ConManMick

RC, your move. Either, you can vote our mutual scumread, or we can continue our bitch fighting.

[Titus]

*eyeroll*

OK, so Anarchy is basically just voting which of RC v Titus is popular because RC created a bitch fight. TTH is derping on me/Spiffeh. Then there's the three dice wagon.

No one disagrees with my scumreads. Yet I am being wagoned.

This is the exact pattern RC did in our last game where he was scum. He did zero but tunnel me.

Yet it's my fault when I crack the game.

I don't even.

I am proddodging until there is a wagon on a scumread of mine or someone cares to talk to me. I have asked for discussion on ANY of my scumreads like 50 fucking times and that's not RC.

P.S. RC is AtE tanking for her scum buddies at the moment.

[Titus]

P.s. 2 Anarchy romanticism really? That's my post style. Get used to it.

[Titus]

TTH is derping on me/Spiffeh.

You're

derping on which one of us is posting.

That aside, what Antihero's said to me has given me some doubt about Spiffeh. :S

Yeah, Spiffeh's town. I would bet my game life on it.

Whatever you two need me to do see you two are both town would be great.

And I will take my Derp pill on which head was posting.

Anti even giving a shit at this point is obvtown Anti.

[Titus]

originally i didnt remember anything of conmans so i was ok w lynching him but 536 actually isnt terrible

That's something I don't agree with. To borrow Anti's terminology, Post 536 is pretty "hatin' it."

He's spitting out a bunch of stuff to mirror the popular sentiment of dislike towards the Titus/RC argument. The important take away (the Titus scumread) isn't explained in any detail beyond "out to stir shit for the purpose of convoluting the game." which itself is just regurgitated from what RC already said. There's nothing there that shows how he gets to this conclusion, but there's plenty of complaining.

"I can also see a wagon on me being rather useful." is also gross. There's already a fair number of people scumreading CMM and he could analyze from that if he really thought he was easy target. I think calling for a wagon is a fake-out.

Ever consider CMM calling for that wagon because RC won't let it happen?

I move to Conman. RC votes Anarchy. When RC cannot doubtcast it, he pleads for a wagon on himself Postie or Anarchy because he just can't tolerate it. He never considers voting Conman at all and burying the drama. Now why is that?

They're partners.

[Titus]

P.s. 2 Anarchy romanticism really? That's my post style. Get used to it.

I'm sorry, I typed "pedanticism"

Autocorrect, Y'know?

Oh. Well, not sure why the truth is pedantic but it's feedback that's not unique to you.

[Titus]

@Postie, I just didn't believe it was. The rest of his content is town though so :/

[Titus]

@Anarchy, Hugs. Know how you feel.

[Titus]

The rest of his content is town though so :/

What's towny about it?

All of it.

[Titus]

Oh hey look MR I am going to jump on everything got on.

[Titus]

Oh hey look MR I am going to jump on everything got on.

hey

i will have you know

that i have been found "most enjoyable" by a jury of my peers

where's tth's "most enjoyable" banner, huh? WHERE IS IT?

I'M THE FUN HALF

This is about Cakey sheeping anything with a pulse.

[Titus]

Ooh we got a bus vote.

VOTE: Cakey

[Titus]

Hey Titus I'm going to end up lynching you at some point so if you're town you should probably do some talking here.

Usually I'd try some reach outing things but I expended all my reaching out on Ranger and Postie.

You should try discussing your reads with others and NOT having your reads center around whoever the fuck townreads me as scum. Right now people are seeing Conman and Cakey are scum, so I can deal with you after we get scum lynches.

[Titus]

Hey Titus I'm going to end up lynching you at some point so if you're town you should probably do some talking here.

Usually I'd try some reach outing things but I expended all my reaching out on Ranger and Postie.

You should try discussing your reads with others and NOT having your reads center around whoever the fuck townreads me as scum. Right now people are seeing Conman and Cakey are scum, so I can deal with you after we get scum lynches.

I refuse to talk about ConMan.
Who else do you want to hear about?
And aren't you basically assuming Cakez is scum because of his interactions with me?

Nope but that would require you reading my posts on Cakey.

Shit trajectory. Sheep's anything with a pulse.

[Titus]

Titus really looks town other than her blind faith that I'm town

In no particular order

1) Your questioning my read on you
2) RC voted you pretty soon after you expressed a town read on me
3) You've been consistently scumhunting
4) Your responses to anti hydra were pretty fucking town
5) Oh and I have PoEd the scumteam


@RC, ihhcihcihhcihcohcohckhhckhc I am not getting in a meta pissing match. You haven't seen my many reachouts because you're scum. Not my problem.

[Titus]

@RC, ihhcihcihhcihcohcohckhhckhc I am not getting in a meta pissing match. You haven't seen my many reachouts because you're scum. Not my problem.

Link these.
Also, I'm confirmed town. What changes, and why?

Conman test, Cakey vote (basically if you were to lynch scum I might reevaluate)

If you're conftown, then wtf were you doing early on? Seriously?

My reads don't change much though because they scum separate from you too. It probably means witcher or hunters is the last.

@Heartless, 3dice hinting at a subout was really town of him, just so you know. You can revote scum Mick when ready.

[Titus]

like this feels like that agme where you were scum and I was deathtunneld on you for your scumshitness but like you did what you're doing here

you smug posted and stayed at a distance and didn't really commit to shit and just basically voted everyone.

What was this game?

Cakez is a gut townread for me because in Walking Dead he seemed to put on this confident front and he was really decisive about things he should have had some doubt about, the loved/hated claims being the most issue that immediately comes to mind for me. (In hindsight that really should have sent up some red flags, but you live you learn I suppose. :S)

I feel like he's taking a lot more of a "weaker" approach here and I'm associating that with "more uninformed."

Nope. This is Borderlands Cakey. Shit trajectory. Sheepy. Afraid to pisdms anyone off.

Just how am I allegedly moonlogicky?

Or you're just annoyed I solved this first and will likely never join you on Spiffeh?

[Titus]

Like, one of the few things I've picked up from Titus town game is her absolute stubbornness, which seemed prevalent in her arguments with RC.

Meh, it's an indicator but not total reason to townread me. Am I providing content despite being stubborn? Do I want people to like me despite being stubborn? The more I care about being right without looking townie, the more likely I am to be town.

[Titus]

Ok that I definitely remember, was pretty funny honestly.
I don't see how my play here is similar to that at all though.

P-Edit: Borderlands me was just joining the leading wagon every day and staying relatively active and getting away with it for some reason. These games are not even close to comparable since there was never even competing wagons in Borderlands. It just went (Dwlee, wgeurts, Nicole, Almost, Nero) with little attempt to go elsewhere.
P-P-Edit: Yeah, was my first game with RC iirc

All you have done is join the leading wagon, without regards to its reason. You haven't scumhunted and barely interacted with TTH/Piffeh/Ana/RC well even me till I voted you.

Your first vote on me was a scumclaim BTW.

[Titus]

Ok that I definitely remember, was pretty funny honestly.
I don't see how my play here is similar to that at all though.

P-Edit: Borderlands me was just joining the leading wagon every day and staying relatively active and getting away with it for some reason. These games are not even close to comparable since there was never even competing wagons in Borderlands. It just went (Dwlee, wgeurts, Nicole, Almost, Nero) with little attempt to go elsewhere.
P-P-Edit: Yeah, was my first game with RC iirc

All you have done is join the leading wagon, without regards to its reason. You haven't scumhunted and barely interacted with TTH/Piffeh/Ana/RC well even me till I voted you.

Your first vote on me was a scumclaim BTW.

Just how am I allegedly moonlogicky?

Town reading 3dice for the "maybe replace out" comment is terrible.

3dice providing steady content and throwing out a lifeline saying he needs help is pretty townie. A scum response there would've just a flat out prod dodge. People communicating to state what they need and how they need it is townie.

Sorry that's a wrong lynch dude and it annoys you but this game has been rather solvable. I would bet the game on Cakey and Conman being scum and RC is likely the third.

[Titus]

I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep up with this game given how much is on my plate right now.

I can try, but I might be replacing out.

This isn't "throwing out a lifeline." This is saying "heads up I might replace out." It's a courtesy to the mod / the rest of the players and it's not alignment indicative.

No it is throwing out a lifeline saying the gamepace is too fast. Scum prod dodge there as they don't have to worry about being caught up when you tunnel spiffeh, witch and other bad reads.

[Titus]

3dice is providing steady content?

No.

That's objectively wrong.

Then you're using a strained definition of the word content.

[Titus]

I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep up with this game given how much is on my plate right now.

I can try, but I might be replacing out.

This isn't "throwing out a lifeline." This is saying "heads up I might replace out." It's a courtesy to the mod / the rest of the players and it's not alignment indicative.

No it is throwing out a lifeline saying the gamepace is too fast. Scum prod dodge there as they don't have to worry about being caught up when you tunnel spiffeh, witch and other bad reads.

There are

so many things wrong with that.

We're not tunneling on anybody.
He pretty much

did

prod dodge.
He voted Spiffeh, a read you said was "terrible."

I can't even fathom how you could be throwing him into the town pile like you are.

Because you cannot fathom your reads being wrong.

Being wrong doesn't mean scum Heartless. If it did, you'd e t the top of my lust.

You've been tunnelling as a slot for Spiffeh scum since go, just not voting it. I gave you room to solve it and as a slot you're still derping on it.

No hugs for you.

A scum post in that situation is merely catch up later.

[Titus]

whenever titus goes out of her way to really terribly defend people, they both end up being scum

You should read Borderlands. Dwlee town. I defended. He was town. Set aside your ego. You'll realize I am right.

[Titus]

oh fucking bullshit

when did i say spiffeh was scum until just recently?

The entire game. I have commented your Spiffeh read has been shit since the start.

Now I get I annoy you but we are not mislynching today.

[Titus]

Because you cannot fathom your reads being wrong.

now YOU'RE bringing in baggage and making this about ego when it isn't

Nah, that's you. You scumread me for not agreeing with you. That's the problem. Your read depends on how much I kiss your ass. That's your standard to me.

[Titus]

Now, I would like NOT to fight with you TTH because you're town but ddamn you make it hard when you discredit the rightfucking answers.

[Titus]

But guys

I am positive Heartless is scum

let me guess

"anti's not playing to his town meta / he's not being involved / he's not [doing something he's 'supposed' to be doing]."

so... i can't just relax in an early game and kinda' poot around and wait for tth to get some awesome reads and then kick ass. i have to meet some sort of expectation right the fuck now or else i need to gear up for emotional taxing tunnelfuckery.

this is not going to be a fun game if that's really what's going to happen.

Anti don't be pissy at me please

I am scum reading you

I'm not trying to make this game unenjoyable for you

If you're town it will show

If not then let me lynch you

i am not really ate'ing. i'm not even really being pissy.

but i am telling you. in no uncertain terms. matter-of-factly. that if this turns out like walking dead did, i will be pissed. at you.

and no, i probably wouldn't really care if it was just me by myself.

I really like how you're devoting so much to our spat with zero commentary on the gamestate

well i may have commentary (dealing w/ witch hunter), but yes this now has my attention in what i'm TALKING ABOUT.

like really... you know how unreasonable it is to say DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ME CALLING YOU SCUM JUST IGNORE ME AND "SCUMHUNT" LIKE NORMAL OR ELSE YOU'RE SCUM?
that's not how people work and that's not how people think.

pisskop did that in sc's game and the only thing it achieved was put the person he was talking to off.

town Anti tells me I'm wrong and moves on.

you really don't know shit about me do you

<3 ~Positive Vibes~ <3

Anti citing Walking Dead and acting like I should leave him alone because of it is bullshit. I was like the last fucking person to make that game intolerable for him and he knows it. Not once in our interaction did he make any attempt to sort me. He instead opted to perpetuate his AtE. Town Anti tells me I'm wrong and moves on.

Town!Anti knows I can identify him and doesn't make a huge fuss at a page 5 scum read

Alright-y, I was talking to Anti just a minute ago about this game and he was being really pouty and a quick look at recent pages told me why.

Sweetie, Anti didn't say that you made Walking Dead intolerable.

I

was the one who had the meltdown in that game and made it intolerable for him. Since you were in the neighborhood, you were a little more privy to what was going on behind the scenes than the rest of the general game but you didn't see

all

of it. Anti wasn't kidding when he said I cried about that game to him. It wasn't a pretty picture. I got emotional and Anti ended up bearing the brunt of my freak-out. Anti was trying to play it cool in the thread(s) and when I was having my meltdown, but I could tell it really got to him. My post-game sourness probably didn't help at all. So if Antihero seems on edge, overprotective, or overdefensive to you it's because I made him that way. None of you did anything besides be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

tl,dr: If you know me long enough, you go insane.

I have a couple things to do before I get to actually catching up to what's happened in the thread. I procrastinated on my laundry and now I'm wallowing in my own filthy clothing. I also have something to wrap up for school tomorrow. I think it would be a very good thing if we kept the raw feelings to a minimum.

[Titus]

where does it say

in any of those

that either of us

are SCUMREADING spiffeh?

ALL of them. You discredit and attack everything he's done since go. That's a scumread to me as people, if playing optimally, don't need to do that to their townreads.

You've been shit fighting Spiffeh since the start.

[Titus]

Titus I'm obviously the one that picked that fight

Like what? That's not my PoV there.

[Titus]

Witch_Hunter is kind of a weird animal for me

Like nothing really looks too bad on the surface but he's kinda just there and devotes most of his time to things that don't really matter. Like that time he insisted he was right about being scared of a quicklynch but like who gives a fuck?

It's mostly because for every other player I can point to at least a few posts that gave me townvibes, but I can't do that for Witch_Hunter

K can we all agree that if Titus flips scum we speedlynch Spiffeh next?

Nightkill me.

[Titus]

Then Titus you haven't been reading my posts and therefore have no reason to townread me!

Oh bullshit.

TTH scumtead you for no reason and you're claiming you picked the fight. Explain why.

I don't see you picking a fight there.

But you know what, lynch me you people.

Then my reads will be shown right and accurate. I will laugh at you and have zero obligation to keep you alive when you cannot fucking see obvscum.

[Titus]

I was the doctor.

Rc cakey conman. Lynch there until it fails. You owe me.

[Titus]

bullshit

Well, you got the answer TTH.

It's pretty obvious to anyone who didn't ego hammer that RC and Cakey are scum here.

I am a dead woman tonight anyway so I got zero desire to help you mislynch 3dice or Spiffeh.

So Cakey or Conman. On Conman you can still pretend your reads have 100% accuracy too...

[Titus]

Titus if you're not even scum reading Heartless why are you devoting so much time to arguing with them and pointing out their "lies"?

Lies is a strong word.

I am sick of Heartless derailing town and discrediting the truth as moonlogic.

[Titus]

Titus if you're not even scum reading Heartless why are you devoting so much time to arguing with them and pointing out their "lies"?

Lies is a strong word.

I am sick of Heartless derailing town and discrediting the truth as moonlogic.

TTH, I never bother to sort which head is talking ever. As far as I am concerned, your slot scumreads Spiffeh.

[Titus]

not buying the claim but i guess we have to wait until massclaim to realize that

At least your stubborn insistence might buy me a day, but probably not.

You should vote Cakey or Conman.

[Titus]

I am going to shoot things on Skyrim. I am in a bad mood now. Need to blow off steam.

[Titus]

VOTE: ConManMick

[Titus]

Doc brown was not an intended crumb. I did crumb though.

Oh and my 3dice read is perfect tyvm.

[Titus]

Well, Scourge is still MIA

But I am feeling a bit better today, so let's try to be productive.
First off, @RC.

Why the change on CMM? If you don't like who's pushing, unless you think the ENTIRE SCUMTEAM is on the wagin, then could it not still just be a bus?

Also I never replied to when you asked why I was "negotiating" with you. Simply put, I want to live. If that means I have to talk to a scumread, that means I have to talk to a scumread.

Then @CMM
Why aren't you posting anything but empty posts? You are aware that you're the current leading wagon right?

@Anarchy, Hugs. Know how you feel.

First intended crumb here. AS says he wants to live. I say he knows how he feels.intended crumb of healing AS.

[Titus]

Then Titus you haven't been reading my posts and therefore have no reason to townread me!

Oh bullshit.

TTH scumtead you for no reason and you're claiming you picked the fight. Explain why.

I don't see you picking a fight there.

But you know what, lynch me you people.

Then my reads will be shown right and accurate. I will laugh at you and have zero obligation to keep you alive when you cannot fucking see obvscum.

Obligation to keep you alive...

[Titus]

Great. Please now at least your shade can be useful for something. *shrug*

I've caught scum. Truth is the truth. I will just wait for CMM's flip. When he flips scum, we lynch Cakey. When that flips scum, we lynch RC. If there's an SK, then we hunt that.

[Titus]

Oh and my 3dice read is perfect tyvm.

and tth is the one who's incapable of considering she might be wrong?

what a load of shit

don't say that again

Yup. I am capable of considering it. You have to bring more than insults to have me reconsider.

3dice's ISO is as townie as yours and Spiffehs.

You can bitch at me for disagreeing but you calling my position strained and therefore scum makes me know you won't listen and insult me. So as far as I am concerned, my read is unchallenged.

[Titus]

Titus, one to one talk with me?

You can ask me anything.

[Titus]

You have to bring more than insults to have me reconsider.

oh, but YOU don't have a problem insulting people

so... what it's ok for you but not ok for anyone else?

Calling people out is not insulting them.

Having a standard that says if you take a position too far off from mine and you're scum is insulting. 1) It says that my opinions are worth less than yours if I disagree vehemently (and it's a perception I fight far too much because people have aversions to lynching scum) 2) it tells me that if I would just follow you and abandon any semeblence of scumhunting and let town fuck up, you would approve

I don't get the jist you're respecting me. You don't use that type of standard to read others. Just me. So it means you think I should not disagree with you.

Then, when you insult me for seeing 3dice having content rather than engaging me, I want to throw my hands up.

So why is your problem with me my disagreement?

[Titus]

I've come around that you're town but like there's a serious problem with your play this game.
You've been really abrasive from the get go, so much so that even I who am used to fighting with you took it as a scumclaim.
I'm not sure what's been going on but this seems to have been a general trend recently and you were doing this *teambuilder yay* thing and I sort of miss it.

And I'm not telling you not to push your reads but like you can't just fly in and say you've called the scumteam.
And I know you're going to counterargue with 'but that's what I do' but it isn't. Contrary to popular belief I do make a huge effort to try to keep my team together (just following my reads!)
Getting people to follow you is a skill and there's a reason people tend to follow me and not scumread me and it's nothing to do with flying in and yelling I CAUGHT THE SCUMTEAM.

Which is just a roundabout way of saying that what you're doing here won't work.
I understand your bitterness towards me personally this game considering you were trying to sort me for a doc protect but there's really no need for you
This game you've been incredibly anti-town, you killed both TTH and UTL's interests in the game, and at least one person you've been declaring confirmed scum is town.

Can you please take a step back, organize your thoughts, and come back with cases on whoever you're specifically interested in influencing reads on without personally attacking the people that are disagreeing with you? Right now it feels like you're basically trying to bully things and no one likes it and it's part of why you're being scumread.

I wasn't treating and searching for a doc protect RC. I was sorting you as a slot that made a scummy post. I had zero clue it was you when I voted you.

You know what. You think I like telling people the answer rather than letting them solve it. Nope.

I don't want to see town fight itself. So if that means they fight me, so be it.

Town wins when we recognize each other. I try to build teams but when people get high and mighty to lynch town SOMEONE has to say something. And if that makes me the villain so Anti and Spiffeh and Aero and AS stop fighting each other, I will be the villain.

[Titus]

Let people do their thing, okay? All of the games that I've seen won quickly are ones with tons of TvTing because those interactions are sorty as fuck.

i said something like this in MD once

post in MD more and back me up next time

Yeah, TvTing works...you wanted to lynch me rather than scum.

I did say I was giving you space to do that. It went nowhere but wagons on me for telling you that I ad my answer y'all do your dance. To tell me the answer is to do nothing and sit by is pretty crappy as I held off on correcting the game until I was wagoned for the most part.

Forgive me if I have zero faith in that process.

It's sorry as fuck for TvT? Really? Nah. Don't think so. T v T dominates until people say knock it off they're town.

As for Heartless, I am sorry that one of your heads eels bad. When you express how you read me in a manner that doesn't let me disagree, I am going to feel insulted.

You're taking the position that whatever I see must be the wrong meaning. Is it any wonder that I think you'll refuse to listen to what I have to say? It shouldn't be a fight to get people to vote scumreads. Everyone else gets that. For me, I get fights and votes. It's not OK for me to solve the game if I disagree. You don't treat anyone else like that? So why me?

[Titus]

*sorry = sorty

[Titus]

I am going to say that y'all are wonderful people despite my frustrations.

[Titus]

Do I have my read on RC wrong Ranger? Are you scum with Cakey and Conman?

[Titus]

Hi drunk Titus here. Am I dead? If so, baaahhh if not.. Who died?

[Titus]

Mehhh.. I love them but wtf are they on...

U scum RC? Their thoughts were clear in thread. Apparently I am an asshole BC they read me through my thoughts. Which gotta b off BC Conman was town which I don't get

[Titus]

Like seriously reading me based on how much we agree is annoying as fuck. I love them though. I love ppl who disagree w me and tell me like it is. It can be frustrating though no joke.

[Titus]

I am drunk were. Need to reread and give bonus points where Heartless thought something and I disagreed BC they died and I didn't. Otherwise reads unchanged. I haven't read short of I am not dead.

[Titus]

I am not plastered. Just drunk. Plastered Titus doesn't post. Ask me a question. There is negative filter here. So go ahead RC. Ask. The question you ask should let me know your alignment tomorrow.

[Titus]

As a person I like you but you're frustrating for the same reasons. I like you call me out on my shit. Without friends like that, people don't improve.

Regarding the game, I feel you're scummy because town you recognizes town me ages ago and realizes through our history I am town but I kinda don't wanna harp on that much because I would die andconsidering at least some of my reads were off I kinda should try to live to heal smart people.

[Titus]

Same questions for you.

[Titus]

RC I would be very surprised if Postie was scum here. Given the micro where she coasted after bussing me (at my advice) with next to no content, if Postie's scum they have dramatically been coached to change (which is a testament to Postie to pull it off) but I don't think they are scum.

[Titus]

Ranger u drew Scum again? You oughta know I am town here.

So is your problem a scum PM or what?

[Titus]

I am not sure which makes me sicker, my flu or the wagons.

VOTE: SirCakey

Where have you seen Spiffeh scum Cakey?

[Titus]

VLA until Tuesday

[Titus]

I am VLA. Will be back Tuesday. See the Vc. Ty.

[Titus]

Sircakez, that's slanted as fuck. My interaction is with no one BC vla. I will give thoughts asap when I get back, but that type of post is scumsville. Painting vla as avoiding is eww.

My taxes and work are almost resolved.

[Titus]

Based on this page alone, I want to lynch Rhaegar, Cakez and Dave, so much posturing as to who is partners with whom and very little scumhunting.

There's a lot of kiss assing on AS which I also find wierd. He's obviously town, but not obviously right.

[Titus]

The comments about the lack of interaction with a slot that has done fuck all with anyone all game and implying it's scummy (Sir Cakez)
Dave's posturing about how I should scumread him the moment I get back from VLA and Davesaz saying that Cakez might have a useful observation.

That's all posturing. Not scumhunting.

So yeah based on that shit, I'd lynch any of them.

[Titus]

It is scummy, especially when there was obviously a wagon coming together over the last couple pages and you still had no comment on the slot until now you suddenly want to lynch Rhaegar? I don't buy it.

Yeah, it's scummy I ignored a wagon while on V/LA. I ignored the entire thread.

Adults have taxes.

[Titus]

You said posturing who's partners with whom.

Perhaps I'm being a bit on the picky side here, but there's a difference between the empty, useless statements you're seeing now, and making partner claims like you claimed at first.


That said, Dave is totally scum, though Cakez is actually on Scourge's townlist, and only a scumlean for me.

Yeah the posts I was talking about do that. Cakey was posturing I was ignoring Rhaegar and somehow vla was scummy. If Cakey wasn't trying to link there, what was it?

[Titus]

Their entire ISO is devoid. I talk to those who talk to me. When pressured, you said the wagon which happened while I was on vla. So which comments should I have replied to specifically? Or is your issue that I busted you for trying to link me to a general lurksack?

[Titus]

I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Witch_Hunter/Rhaegar without waiting for a replacement, tbh. I don't think that slot can be redeemed at this point.

Hear that?

That's the sound of a Postie townread crying that it is now gone forever.

Anarchy Shard is right.

We wait.

Yeah, nope. I actually agree with Postie. Also, because someone disagrees with you on theory is not a reason to scumread anyone.

[Titus]

I'd be happy to talk, but nobody seems willing to engage in real conversation about my scumread. And yes, it is a real scumread.

Your case is that Titus wasn't engaging with enough people, right? If so, why do you find that scummy?

I might not find it scummy in just anyone. To me it seems out of character for her, to have objectively scummy people around who she ignores.

Again. That's a misrep. We went over this.

[Titus]

I'd be happy to talk, but nobody seems willing to engage in real conversation about my scumread. And yes, it is a real scumread.

Your case is that Titus wasn't engaging with enough people, right? If so, why do you find that scummy?

I might not find it scummy in just anyone. To me it seems out of character for her, to have objectively scummy people around who she ignores.

Again. That's a misrep. We went over this.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm talking about Witch_Hunter / Rhaegar slot. I didn't disagree that it is hard to interact with someone who isn't there.

Can you point to the places you interacted with me, during day 1? While I was acting scummy to see if anyone would ignore it? I had some trouble finding places you even mentioned me.

Been over that. I talk with those who contribute or ask me things.

[Titus]

I want to see Rhaegar slot flipped, then if it's a scum flip we powerlynch Titus.

This is the linking I am talking about. Right here. This is scum thinking.

[Titus]

Should have pushed Cakey over Conman.

[Titus]

Yes because lynching a player who has ignored a slot that flips scum all game is SUCH bad thinking isn't it?

And you're STILL pushing this misrep and so is Dave.

Probably because my townreads are right.

[Titus]

VOTE: Thor665

Might have the numbers wrong, but whatever.

I wanna hear from this slot more than I want to hear from Titus.

Yo! You can ask me something.

[Titus]

Starting off with just the votes, since they are easy to find. Here are the relevant Titus votes.

VOTE: ConManMick

RC, your move. Either, you can vote our mutual scumread, or we can continue our bitch fighting.

Ooh we got a bus vote.

VOTE: Cakey

VOTE: ConManMick

Questions to look into: Was CMM even a previously stated scumread? What made Cakes vote look like a bus? (Assuming that is what Titus is referring to). What were the circumstances of the move back to the wagon?

423 is the first time I found that Titus mentions CMM, and it's to ask RC for a read.
451 Conman is scummy, no reason given
466 listed as part of a scum team
487 asks someone talk to her
497 gives reasons, though kinda weak
635 conman / rc partners
742 the bus vote vote. Seems to be in response to 732
995 naked votes back. Notably, while there is a viable wagon on cakez.
1093 confident on CMM scum, lines up Cakez and RC lynches.

Not sure what to make of it, other than I don't especially like it. I wanna say it's more scum than town, but this admittedly is an isolated view. I remember a lot of scum team possibilities listed, which looks town to some but really isn't. I get hung up on why town would make a post like 1093 -- if that really were the scum team then she'd be lining herself up as the NK.

^^ content,

about you,

that you haven't interacted with.

Yes, I was confident in CMM scum. Tell me why, as scum, would I bother lining up lynches if I knew I would be discredited? No. CMM was picked because it was a read I was wring on and scum new I wouldn't vote their ml bait.

And why didn't I reply? By the time I got back, shit was stale.

[Titus]

Ok yeah Titus has to die at some point.

No shit. Save it for your night chat.

Got any other reads?

[Titus]

SMGO, Anarchy Shard both still strong town
Aero, Ranger and Spiffeh slot are town leans
3dice and Postie nullish now, Postie's posting has gotten worse.
Dave is nullscum by himself
Thor and you make up my scum tier

So interesting, your scumreads are the only ones capable of buying this load of hogwash about avoiding.

You should realize that alone suggests your read is wrong. But you're terrible at making up reads as scum.

[Titus]

And they convinently said nothing? Sure.

Nope.

Only your scumreads and you treat vla and my style as avoiding but you're desperate here.

Why is Dave nullscum by himself?

[Titus]

I want to see Rhaegar slot flipped, then if it's a scum flip we powerlynch Titus.

This is the linking I am talking about. Right here. This is scum thinking.

How is this scum thinking? Do you really expect him to bus a buddy just to lynch you?

Yup. Scum have like ZERO mislynches aside from me and they know it. Plus, I am the golden mislynch.

[Titus]

but, like that doesn't really help them out mathematically I feel.

They can doubtcast whoever is off the wagon. Or they can try to at least.

But they're boxed in and know it.

[Titus]

VOTE: SirCakes

This is who we should vote.

[Titus]

VOTE: SirCakes

This is who we should vote.

Hey, Titus, wanna give me a lowdown of the game as you currently see it?

Cakes and Daves are scum. I am the sole available mislynch.

[Titus]

Unfortunately you are too Thor. The amount of effort they put in to link us is pretty damning.

[Titus]

3dice is town because there's too muchscum elsewhere.

[Titus]

@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

[Titus]

@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Did you claim backup? Because otherwise whatever my slot claimed I don't see the connection.

Ok I can lynch Thor now.

[Titus]

VOTE: Thor

[Titus]

VOTE: Thor

Seriously Thor? You read the setup?

[Titus]

Shut up scum, I am exposing your buddy.

[Titus]

P-edit, Dave is scum not Postie.

[Titus]

Dave, shut up till you find it.

[Titus]

VOTE: ThorVOTE:

In what universe is backup possible?

[Titus]

VOTE: Thor

[Titus]

It's a really short ISO, and I have no difficulty reading.

Are you looking at the correct ISO? Witch_Hunter was the one who claimed it.

Damn right I'm looking at the correct ISO. There is no such claim.

Shut up till you find it or claim scum.

[Titus]

Great Dave picked claimed scum.

[Titus]

The it to lynch is you Thor or SirCakez.

[Titus]

VOTE: Thor

You're asking if I claimed something impossible all the while not confirming or revoking WH's claim. You claim to have read the setup briefly but that's not true as backup isn't possible. Asking me if I claim backup strongly implies you claimed doctor so why not outright affirm or disclaim it?

@Dave, I will deal with you in a moment.

[Titus]

There were only TWO acceptable answers to my questioning for Thor. One for Dave. Neither hit it.

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure RC was right all along BTW. Titus and Postie acted together. No way Postie could know what Titus was doing unless they planned it.

ROTFL

That's even worse.

How much of my ISO have you read? Let's be blunt here.

[Titus]

Town, which shows you aren't.

[Titus]

And you just ruined my test. There's zero chance Thor will claim doctor now. None.

Thor claiming doctor would scu firm him, which benefits the entire game. You're right that WH never claimed Doctor. I wanted Thor to confirm or dispel that himself. Why?

Look the only acceptable answers from Thor were either, calling me out for rolefishing or stating my claim was bullshit. His refusal to revoke the claim is scummy as fuck.

Meanwhile, you're here coaching Thor telling him that a doctor claim is a scumclaim.

After all, who makes up a CC to themselves under no pressure? It was a reaction test that ONLY I could do and you both failed miserably.

[Titus]

And you just ruined my test. There's zero chance Thor will claim doctor now. None.

Thor claiming doctor would scu firm him, which benefits the entire game. You're right that WH never claimed Doctor. I wanted Thor to confirm or dispel that himself. Why?

And why would you think I would do that?

People when confronted with bullshit about them call it out. You wanted an exit hatch.

[Titus]

You're asking if I claimed something impossible all the while not confirming or revoking WH's claim.

You are correct, I brought up a non-existent role in this game, and also didn't claim while not at L-1.
I'm not sure why that's scummy on either point.

You claim to have read the setup briefly but that's not true as backup isn't possible. Asking me if I claim backup strongly implies you claimed doctor so why not outright affirm or disclaim it?

Because it was a joke based off the question I had asked you about how we were connected. Like, here's the conversation flow;

Titus: there case connecting us is strong!
Thor: How are we connected?
Titus: You claimed Doc!
Thor: Did you claim backup?
Titus: LOL Thor is scum!

That's where I'm at, where are you?
Because I thought it was pretty clearly a joke - and even if we want to go with the theory that I was dead serious...what was my scum plan there exactly? To get you to fake affirm that you're a backup?

This makes no sense at all.

The it was a joke defense. My favorite.

[Titus]

@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Did you claim backup? Because otherwise whatever my slot claimed I don't see the connection.

@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Huh?

Thor reacted first.

He didn't confirm or deny. That's why his reaction didn't work.

What did you think I was doing?

[Titus]

The it was a joke defense. My favorite.

Are you saying my reaction didn't come across that way?
What did you think my reaction came across as?

Because your issue still isn't making sense.

Wow. Going for the i'm dumb.

Seriously, when I asked you how much of the setup you read and you replied that you skimmed it, that clearly indicated not a joke.

People call out bullshit wen faced with it. You didn't. Youhemmed and hawwed.

[Titus]

Why would you shoot them in the face?

Well for a start, her doctor claim is absolute BS.
That doesn't even begin to go into how every facet of her play is her scum meta. The misreps, the hyper-focus, it's all there.

Hyperfocus is a personality trait and I've misrepped no one. It's not my fault you don't like evidence.

Seriously.

[Titus]

People call out bullSmurf wen faced with it. You didn't. Youhemmed and hawwed.

I actually didn't - I directly asked how your response had anything to do with my question.

I slept on this, it still appears silly to me, but I have a question now.

Okay, so I'm town or scum - your reaction test is perceived as rolefishing either way by me. Regardless of my alignment I know that you have either seen my role PM or are trying to figure it out.

I "hem and haw" (or, in my version - I don't answer the rolefish, I am actually okay with either interpretation of my dreaded response)
Your theory is that if I am town I would absolutely blast you for rolefishing.
But if I am scum I would be horrified that you were rolefishing me and would not dare bring it up.

Is this correct?

If it is - why does my reaction change so much depending on my alignment? I actually don't know why scum and town would react to a rolefish differently.
If it isn't - what is your actual issue with me? Spelled out, because I don't get it.

You still don't get it at this point.

Cakez and Daveaz bent over backwards trying to say after this slot flips scum, lynch Titus. It's as if they KNEW you were flipping scum. Even then when you call out Cakey, to take off his vote, you're still distancing. There are no available mislynches but me. So yeah. Your team is fucked.

Scum want to keep their options open. If you hadn't read, you wouldn't know if you could or couldn't claim Doctor safely as scum, so you'd hedge about it. After all, if I was telling the truth, you had already claimed so I wouldn't be rolefishing. Town would know that I was lying and that I already claimed Doctor.

That's why Dave saying that Witch Hunter never claimed Doctor is directly coaching you as to what to say. Postie picked up on this and told Dave to shut up. That's why Postie is town. I was trying to pressure you for that reaction, to pick one way or the other. If you CCed me directly as scum, it would be a HUGE boon to the game.

[Titus]

No the issue IS with comprehension OR scum deliberately trying to obfuscate.

You hemmed. You're scum. Pretty simple.


Yes, they HAVE NO MISLYNCHES AVAILABLE. How hard is that to fucking understand?

My theory is that you hadn't decided whether or not to CC me. How could you? It's not like you had access to my thoughts.

Town would absolutely say that I was full of shit. They wouldn't need to read the thread to determine they were not going to claim doctor and that I was lying because I AM THE DOCTOR.

[Titus]

Out of curiosity Titus - have you ever used this tactic as town before?

In general, if I gambit, it has zero downside. Any specific gambit is too narrow to be repeated other than macho/bulletproof which is impossible to do here given BP doctor is impossible.

[Titus]

Out of curiosity Titus - have you ever used this tactic as town before?

In general, if I gambit, it has zero downside. Any specific gambit is too narrow to be repeated other than macho/bulletproof which is impossible to do here given BP doctor is impossible.

Okay, so you never tried this before, and have no evidence that I react negatively to it as town, and yet you think it would work so clearly as to make you howl at me in caps?


What the hell?
What are you thinking right now?

The evidence I have is common sense. Town react negatively to people saying shit they didn't say. You didn't.

[Titus]

No the issue IS with comprehension OR scum deliberately trying to obfuscate.

You hemmed. You're scum. Pretty simple.

Oh please, your case is Swiss cheese, and looks like a lie built after the fact.

Yes, they HAVE NO MISLYNCHES AVAILABLE. How hard is that to Smurfing understand?

Well, the idea that there are no mislynches available. I see at least four potential lynchable slots right now. Sure, maybe three of them are scum and they're freaking out and pushing you out of desperation. But I kind of doubt it.

My theory is that you hadn't decided whether or not to CC me. How could you? It's not like you had access to my thoughts.

Why would I need access to your thoughts, as scum, to decide to CC you?

There are four slots lynchable. You Cakey Davey and Me.

Three of those are scum.

Mic Drop.

[Titus]

Yeah, the only people who want to lynch Postie already want to lynch me and are scum. So therefore Postie isn't lynchable.

[Titus]

And AS is obvtown. Only those three scumread AS.

Town sees each other Thor.

I just have to obvtown without kissing ass and the game is solved.

Tell me, are you the roleblocker Thor?

[Titus]

^^ Translation: One of my scumbuddies is pushing Titus. If Titus escapes this hard push forcing me to bus, I have to keep Titus as a mislynch.

I am very vehemently anti-bus unless necessary.

[Titus]

@3dice, Except I didn't ask Thor to claim his role. I asked him to refute something any town should be able to refute. If I asked him if he was a tracker or a roleblocker, it would actually be a rolefish. Yet everyone knows that I am the sole doctor. If Thor hemmed at anything else, it wouldn't be a deal.

That being said I am down for Dave Cakey or Thor. No one else.

[Titus]

@3dice, Except I didn't ask Thor to claim his role. I asked him to refute something any town should be able to refute. If I asked him if he was a tracker or a roleblocker, it would actually be a rolefish. Yet everyone knows that I am the sole doctor. If Thor hemmed at anything else, it wouldn't be a deal.

That being said I am down for Dave Cakey or Thor. No one else.

Um, how do we know you are the sole doctor? I don't understand where this assumption comes from.

I'm supposing you're intelligent.

I know I'm the sole doctor because the odds of a second doctor is like one in 95 games or something.

[Titus]

If you assume that for every game, then you are likely to be surprised in a game where there is 2 docs.

It's not unreasonable to see the possibility of a second doc, despite what the numbers say.

Plus, you could be lying, so that would bring the odds up.

Yeah, it is.

The odds of a second Doctor require PPP or greater in the role setup.

To calculate the odds, you take all the possibilties, find the ones that match your condition, and you have the likelihood. I could go through the odds of anything but there's a 50% of any protective existing me and that's just one P.

In the 52 percent of scenarios that generate one p, you have to get to a second P. The odds of a second p (given a first p) is 1 - (.9^ 6th power) or roughly 46%.

Then, you have to get to a third p, which is for the third P given the first two. (1 - .9 ^ 5th power) or roughly 41%

So 52% * 46% * 41% = a little less than 10 percent and that's generous because I frankly don't have the time to do long form calculations.

So yeah, I'm rolling with the 90+ chance that there is no second doctor. Sure it's possible. Is it likely? Nope.

A jailkeeper is likely roughly a quarter of the time, which would make me squint but not outright laugh and a jailkeeper would be required for two doctors.

[Titus]

If you think titus is town that is an acceptable position.
thor response to titus test is more thor indicative than alignment.

Why on earth say that it's acceptable for anyone to be townreading your scumread?

Most of the battle isn't catching scum, it's getting derp town to get out of the way.

[Titus]

I was actually arguing both. Thor is someone who has immaculate attention to detail. He wouldn't suggest a possibility of me being a backup when zero chance of that exists. It's busiwork.

The lack of a denial was the most important.

I didn't 180 on Postie. That's a misrep. Postie hasn't been in my scumreads for awile.

[Titus]

Wow, you're agreeing with the bulk of my case (not refuting the doctor claim) while taking credit for it and saying that scumtells are not scumtells. If it's a scumtell, it's worth tunnelling over.

[Titus]

literally too drunk to change accounts.
titus is town and we will never vote her and shame on anyone who is.
fuck off. that includes you ranger. remember when you were wrong about Lilith? you're wrong here.

3dice is a strong vote. others can be considered tomorrow.

Nah, I don't want to lynch 3dice. Can we agree on someone?

[Titus]

omg.

list your vote possibles?

Thor, Cakey, Daveaz.

[Titus]

@Thor, I wasn't role fishing you. It also wasn't random. If you were being double distanced, I wanted to verify the theory. You wanting to hedge as to whether or not you claimed Doctor indicated scum to me.

It doesn't matter to me which scum dies first.

[Titus]

Either vote me or vote dave.

And if I'm lynched then proceed to lynch dave.

I'm dead serious, dave needs to die.

Why?

[Titus]

Either vote me or vote dave.

And if I'm lynched then proceed to lynch dave.

I'm dead serious, dave needs to die.

Why?

Because
A) Lynching a claimed PR without some sort of claim to prove them as scum is generally against my code of conduct.
B) Dave is a big scumread of mine.
C) I am a big scumread for many.

If I'm going to be lynched, I'd rather have it done in a way so I can take down my biggest scumread with me. The one thing that pisses me off in games is when my reads are golden, and people don't follow any of them post death.

What is your full reads list then?

[Titus]

Among other things, Town Titus would acknowledge that she was wrong when she said Cakez and I were both trying to link her to Thor's slot.
Cakez was indeed trying to do just that, but I did nothing of the sort.

As scum she would have to try that tactic (saying both of us were doing the same thing) because she's painted into a corner with insufficient scum reads. She has to perpetuate the notion that we're both scum (association before flip anyone?) because nobody is seriously buying her Thor push. Notice that she took her foot off the gas on this point but has not rescinded it. She can't, without reducing the mislynch pool too much.

Massclaim doesn't help yet, we have no confirmed roles. It may be useful later.

I'm willing to discuss lynching someone else, on the off chance that my scumread is wrong. Time is short.

Except Town!Titus is right.

I am not painted into a corner. There are easier people to argue are scum. They just aren't though. As scum, I'd push Postie or AS.

I took my foot off the gas? Wtf does that mean? I'm still saying I found the three scum.


Postie, can we jump to Dave? It would make 3dice happy too.

[Titus]

it's gonna need to be someone I think is scum. Cakez and 3dice are possibilities. Though I get the distinct feeling that I must be forgetting someone.

Then vote Cakey.

I'm literally going to vote whichever of the three of you has the biggest wagon because you three are my only scumreads and I'm sure I'm right.

[Titus]

I'm not lynching Thor, vote Titus

^

Ranger, stop being a dumb fuck.

You've already told scum you're one of two roles based on your challenge to me and they know I'm town.

[Titus]

And now you're moving the goal posts.

I claimed my target yesterday. I am not claiming future targets.

Thor, give it up. You aren't going to mislynch me. The entire wagon on me is my entire scum pool and Ranger. When you can only get one townie to mislynch, it won't happen. Town just shows up and votes you. That's all that has to happen. Town has to play the game.

[Titus]

I claimed my target yesterday. I am not claiming future targets.

Can you quote it?

And I haven't moved any goalposts - you're either lying, or full on derp tunneling, at no point did I ask you to claim a future target.
Feel free to quote me to catch me in that lie.
But you won't, because you can't - keep spewing.

None of the above.

I asked you to confirm or deny something town already knows to be false (minus Ranger). There was no issue with you claiming future or past actions.

I will let you find it. I will prove it if town thinks it's necessary. You aren't likely town Thor. I think I have played with you enough to see the difference and you'd see Cakey/daveasz as scum if you were town.

[Titus]

Titus you are a smart player. Do you think the entire scum team would wagon you together?

You have no choice.

[Titus]

Okay, so you haven't then - point holds.
And goalpost moving was dropped like a wet blanket - so me calling you a liar or tunneled holds.

Copy.

You're tunnelled, it just ain't Derp.

You are trying to shift the goal posts and call me a liar. My posts were at zero risk. You're trying to move them to get into my head to figure out who is safe to murder.

Unless someone claims I didn't visit my target, town don't need my protects documented. Scum do.