Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)
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Why? I don't realise.In post 23, Vedith wrote:Shadow is town. Just encase anyone here doesn't realise.-
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How so?In post 42, shaddowez wrote:In other news, NJAC may have townslipped (or is faking it really well).-
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In post 7, lilith2013 wrote:shaddowez is confirmed as town.
Ok. I didn't read that.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sora-
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I'm just kinda following shadow here. I realise he didn't vote Sora, but seems a nice place for my vote to be.In post 53, superbowl9 wrote:Also why do you want to vote sora? (this applies to njac as well)-
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Not much to elaborate actually. Sort of a RVS vote. Sort of a pressure vote. Sort of maybe shadow could be onto something.In post 65, superbowl9 wrote:Can you elaborate on "nice place for my vote to be"?-
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I'm GMT-5 (basically EST, IIRC). I'll probably post during mornings and maybe afternoons, depending on the amount of work I have to do in the office. I won't post much on weekends.
Why exactly is that?In post 92, light_ganski wrote:I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well-
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I want to know.In post 83, kyndy101 wrote:If anyone wants to know that doesn't see Vedith being scummy, I'll make a solid case perhaps tomorrow morning.-
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So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?In post 115, Vedith wrote:Regardless, we should focus on finding my buddy(s) atm.
As it stands
NJAC
Lycanfire
shaddowez
Are not my buddies.
That narrows it down pretty well.-
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But the Vig was not for compensation. We as town have two PRs from the start. In that game Vig and BG were randomly chosen from the start. The scumteam won, BTW.In post 86, Lycanfire wrote:Open 501 featured no powers chosen but scum were mistakenly told the identity of the traitor.. I think the town was given a vig in compensation... Who proceeded to shoot town every night.
What was your point in mentioning that game?-
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In post 137, kyndy101 wrote:Interesting that Vedith instantly assumes the day vig was fake. What if it isn't? Kinda makes me wonder if Vedith knows how many roles scum chose...In [url=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Stack_the_Deck]Setup Page[/url], Wiki wrote: Vigilante
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are now a Vigilante.
Abilities:
Eachyou may target a player to attempt to kill.night
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I don't see a "solid case" against Vedith, and many of your points against him are based on posts he made after you announced your "solid case".
Your arguments seem forced and written just for the sake of supossedly support a scumread, but I have to say they're weak and most of the posts of Vedith are saturated with sarcasm (a bigger dose of it than what I'd like to read, tbh) more than scumminess.
However, this one is a valid point and I want to see Vedith's response:
In post 137, kyndy101 wrote:Why would reactions mean nothing? Also, why are you overlooking Light Ganski's comment by offering the point of looking for a reaction?-
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Yep. I agree with this^. I was going to comment something on these lines about that. In fact, fencesitting and just playing as spectator is more scummy than interjecting into an interaction between players. But I recognize there are some instances in which is better to not interfere.In post 154, superbowl9 wrote:I mostly agree with Bastion but I want to say that interjecting yourself into an interaction is not always bad. It's also generally true (at least afaik) that keeping information to yourself (besides pr identities and other obvious exceptions) is bad for town, because the more accurate information we have the better. If you have an idea that nobody else has considered you should put it out there. Ofc I also agree that letting interactions happen naturally is also critical, cause you can get reactions/info and all, but I think you need to have a balance between those two sides of it.
Well, I obviously thought it was too soon for shadow to be pushing Sora, but I thought he maybe (I specifically said "maybe" because I was not sure) might be onto something given that he addressed a question to Sora after his first RVS post, and given that shadow said he wanted to vote Sora. Look:What exactly was shadow onto? Sora literally has one rvs post before this. That's like me saying I'm onto something with Raskolnikov rn. Regardless of your alignment, blindly sheeping the IC then claiming there's some kind of substance behind it when there clearly isn't is anti-town.
In post 19, shaddowez wrote:Sora - What sort of intentions do you have during RVS?
So, maybe shadow was getting a gut read or something, maybe based on meta or w/e. Not necessarily having a read from just one single RVS post.In post 47, shaddowez wrote:I sort of want to vote Sora right now, but want to wait to hear more from them first.
Anyway, we should better ask shadow about it:
@shadow: Why did you make a question about RVS specifically to Sora instead of asking to others? Why did you say you wanted to vote him? Also, what stopped you from voting him, given that a single vote was harmless at that point?
If you want me to give more detail or elaborate on something just ask. As I said in 119, I was reading Kindy leaning town, but I didn't want to add details because she was being pushed and I wanted to see her defense instead of defend her myself. WRT the naked vote on Sora in 51 I didn't feel the need to add details, but I gave them later on request.Combine this with the general lack of detail in his posts (51, 119) and it gives me the feeling that he's flying under the radar despite having the second highest post count. Someone who's that impressionable and makes empty statements (119 is again a prime example) is not someone I want to have around as town.
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@superbowl:
Again WRT 154: You seem to make some arguments against Vedith, and you literally say he's your "prime scumspect", yet you vote me. This seems very silly, why exactly am I "the best lynch option"?
Also, there's already a wagon formed on Vedith. If he's your prime scumspect why don't you support that wagon instead of forming a new one.
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@Sora WRT 156:
Why do you feel the need to post a response to Kindy's "case" on Vedith?
It seems to me that you go back and forth sometimes defending him from Kindy's accusations and sometimes supporting her arguments. Your post reads to me as you saying: "he might be scum but he might also not be scum".
You initially supported Bastion's push on Kindy with arguments in 114 like"I actually both agree and disagree with Sir Bastion that the random RVS unvote is somewhat suspicious"(so you agree but at the same time disagree? ), and now that the wagon on Vedith is starting to gain some traction you suddenly end up supporting Kindy's push on him.
IDK but to me your post seems as an excuse to opportunistically vote Vedith.
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Yep, I was going to give my reads after commenting on some recent posts. A bit of patience please.In post 161, SoraAdvent wrote:@NJAC: Can you please give reads of some sort? I'd love to see who you consider to be the prime suspect now, if you don't mind.
Leaning scum: Sora, superbowl.
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Obviously shadow is not "leaning town" but town, just to be clear.In post 163, NJAC wrote:Leaning town: Bastian, Vedith, shadow-
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Sure, because blatantly defending a scumpartner is such a great strategy for scum .In post 166, SoraAdvent wrote:At this point I might call a NJAC/Vedith scumteam as an initial accusation
Except that you didn't.I've explained one of your scummy actions in that post as well.
I'll patiently wait for your reasoning.Reads can change, you know, and I'll explain my reasoning tomorrow, if you don't mind.-
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I wasn't trying to control the situation as you said. I was simply curious about the possible choices that a scumpair would discuss.In post 167, kyndy101 wrote:NJAC: Starts off the game with an attempt to control the situation and lead the discussion with a question that imo didn't seem very relevant.
Also, very hypocritical from your part to call it irrelevant when you also commented on it and offered a reason of why I would want to bring that question.
Do you think that what had been written until my input on page 1 was more relevant?
Why not? I voted Sora at the top of page 3 when we were just leaving RVS. If a random vote was enough reason for a vote, why sheeping the IC wouldn't be?Sheeping shaddowez b/c he's an IC isn't enough reason to vote someone
In which way it isn't better? I just gave my reasons for the vote on Sora, there was not much to add. And why do you bring this now? Just for the sake of making an argument? If you had an issue with it why didn't you say anything at that moment?and 72 isn't much better.
Please explain what do you mean by "trying to seem relevant". As I said I was simply curious, this is also explained because I was given the role of traitor before the reroll, so I had some time to think about the choices that my scumpartners had to face.73 is trying to seem relevant while trying to seem relevant while just digging up the grave of a discussion that died long ago in my mind
Now you are trying hard to make me look bad: "Continually bringing up points that are dead" . I went a little deeper in a point that wasn't dead at all in my mind. Which other "dead point" have I brought up? And again where am I trying to control the situation?Because of his immediate attempt at controlling the situation early on and continually bringing up points that are dead, I have to say null-scum.
Please stop this silly tunnel and reread those posts, because you don't seem to understand them.His recent post, 159, seems to redirect focus from NJAC voting Sora to why Shaddowez was thinking about it, and in 160 it seems like he's trying to make himself relevant after being accused of flying under the radar.-
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Now she's kinda leaning scum after her reads on 167.In post 177, superbowl9 wrote:@NJAC are you still nullreading kyndy?-
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Ok. If you think that's more evidence then take it as such.In post 186, superbowl9 wrote:Well, you've provided me with some evidence now.-
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Please elaborate this.In post 199, HighHopes wrote:Vedith's the traitor with kyndy as one of the groupscums btw.-
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Pretty much what I said in 160, but after 177 he's back to null, as I can see now what was his reason for voting me.In post 203, light_ganski wrote:@NJAC - why did you scumread Superbowl in 163-
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But that post is townie. What exactly is wrong with that post?In post 211, superbowl9 wrote: Considering that the wagons are heating up and this post
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith-
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Y'know, I was wondering, why are you limiting our lynch options this early? You seem to be fine with lynching Vedith, but I still don't see why we should lynch him. I also think we're still in the early D1 and some players have not engaged in the game yet, so why do you think no other wagon will gain traction?In post 177, superbowl9 wrote:I'll join Vedith's wagon if it comes to that point where I'm obviously not going to get one on you/the vedith wagon seems like its going to be the actual D1 lynch-
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It might be a weak role, but in no way, shape or form should you underestimate the effectiveness of a PR.In post 233, Vedith wrote:
Because it's a weak role.In post 230, NJAC wrote:Damn man! If you're truly the goon cop why do you think it's good play to claim this early? WTF?
It also lets people actually scum hunt and stop trying to mis lynch Kyndy or myself.
I'm also confident in my scum reads to give out the information!
*Waggles finger*-
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I mean, you could have at least waited for D1 to go further and your wagon to gain even more traction. In fact you shouldn't claim without being at L-1 but w/e.
I wanted to see superbowl's response to my 218, for example, and see more reactions from the other players WRT your wagon, but your early claim denied us to see how it developed.-
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Agreed, though I sense a bit of newbness. For some reason SB thinks every single read has to be accompanied with a detailed explanation, when it's obvious that this early in the game reads are based on little evidence.In post 258, Vedith wrote:
This post is scum.In post 257, superbowl9 wrote:Can we please stop doing this "x is town" "This post is scum" etc. as just naked statements
It really doesn't help the game or anyone in it if you're not gonna actually give the reasoning behind a certain conclusion.
It doesn't have to be long sora style shit but just a few words would be helpful.
Also, giving out constant and completely explained and detailed reads can even help scum to decide who to kill and how to adapt their own faked reads.-
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In post 247, lilith2013 wrote:pagetop count: Vedith 2 | light_ganski 2 | HighHopes 1 | NJAC 1 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1In post 256, lilith2013 wrote:pagetop count: Vedith 3 | light_ganski 2 | HighHopes 1 | NJAC 1 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1
lycan is leaning town, btw.In post 258, Vedith wrote:
This post is scum.In post 257, superbowl9 wrote:Can we please stop doing this "x is town" "This post is scum" etc. as just naked statements
It really doesn't help the game or anyone in it if you're not gonna actually give the reasoning behind a certain conclusion.
It doesn't have to be long sora style shit but just a few words would be helpful.-
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Nobody in particular, just pointing this out in light of 370 and 371.In post 376, Sir Bastion wrote:
who is this for?In post 372, NJAC wrote:FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.-
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I'm in the process of rereading and maybe reevaluating.In post 380, Sir Bastion wrote:I mean what is your actual case on Sora?-
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