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That awkward moment where in one of my games that's how I'm referred to as.In post 16, bubbajack8 wrote:Lol! Sorry about the confusion, I'll refer to him as NS from now.-
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He's obviously terribad if you've already deduced him to be scum!
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Oh god, you're one of THOSE people who finds humor scummy /eyeroll. So, interesting how fast this bubba wagon has progressed. Any particular reason it's this far along on page 2? I dunno, I don't see any particular reason everyone is voting him. I feel like this is a wagon in RVS that parrallels those of "his name is weird"In post 42, JKMatthews wrote:So I'm pretty happy with the Bubba wagon
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Also notscience's "oh i guess you found us" comment doesn't quite sit right with me either... so maybe he's scum trying to incriminate Bubba, or maybe he's using the "humour" thing I've heard so much about...-
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Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?-
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Wow, I feel loved. 3 votes on me, and I'm not even running for president!
On a more serious note, I spoke out against the wagon because I didn't see anything that really required 3/4 votes on him thus far. But then again, it's RVS so anything goes, no?
Also, @marc, my vote was just an RVS vote, I haven't really seen anyone else who trips off my scumdar thus far, but give it time. I'm sure SOMEONE will before too long. I feel like we're still in RVS at page 4. I don't like that.-
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Oh thank you, you have revealed to me how rude people can truly be. It feels like RVS to me, show me some solid reasoning and you can prove your point there.In post 56, Amrun wrote:
ANYTHING with a reason, however tenuous, is not RVS. Lrn2RVS.In post 49, notscience wrote:
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
I qualify RVS until people start to tunnel and ACTUALLY get answers. Js.-
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After just 4 pages?In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?-
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EBWOP- It just seems weird that you mark him as scum over leaning scum or even null and we're on page 4 with barely anything of actual sustenance.In post 99, notscience wrote:
After just 4 pages?In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?
P-edit- You going to keep saying that all game or are you going to explain yourself some, because if it's the former then this will become a LONG game.-
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I can hardly take you seriously when you don't.In post 103, fuzzybutternut wrote:No one would take me seriously if I explained my reason for keeping my vote on him and saying he is scum.
Pretty sure he's scum though.-
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Tenacity isn't really the reason for my vote. His comment right before felt off to me. Like he was trying to force Juan to back off and follow anything he says.In post 110, jon_h61 wrote:fuzzy's playing toward other Town games I've read, he can be tenacious when he decides someone's scum. I'll have to check out a few of his scum games to be see how he plays scum. I remember once he pulled a gambit that didn't work out so well though for his scum team.-
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wut? Can you rephrase that, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.In post 112, JuanJuan wrote:Perhaps, but then you have vested interests in me pursuing fuzzy over this. If I back off then I'd be looking back at you, right?-
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My issue is, I don't like people telling others to "trust them" without providing a decent reason to. It wasn't that I had an interest in you pursuing it, nor do I pay attention to who votes me until it gets to L-2 or L-1 region. I find it scummy to TELL people to trust you. You want trust, earn it. Don't try and tell people to.In post 115, JuanJuan wrote:
Well, you inferred that fuzzy might be telling me to back off, and that it seemed scummy to you, and what I'm saying in return is that you have a vested interest in me pursuing it further as I have my vote on you.In post 113, notscience wrote:
wut? Can you rephrase that, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.In post 112, JuanJuan wrote:Perhaps, but then you have vested interests in me pursuing fuzzy over this. If I back off then I'd be looking back at you, right?-
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Jeez, you love short and sweet don't you. I said how it appeared to me. Not sure how you can say "No" to how it came off to me, but do tell me.In post 118, fuzzybutternut wrote:
lol. No.In post 111, notscience wrote:
Tenacity isn't really the reason for my vote. His comment right before felt off to me. Like he was trying to force Juan to back off and follow anything he says.In post 110, jon_h61 wrote:fuzzy's playing toward other Town games I've read, he can be tenacious when he decides someone's scum. I'll have to check out a few of his scum games to be see how he plays scum. I remember once he pulled a gambit that didn't work out so well though for his scum team.-
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I dont care how much you all say its his meta. I find that distraction scummy. I dont need distractions when Im trying to scumhunt, and hes a distraction. Tell me, what has he done thus far? Say to sheep him because he always gets scum in his RVS votes(to be proven wrong). Otherwise he has done nothing except be incredibly vague about most everything.-
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.-. policy lynch?In post 141, Amrun wrote:Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?
If thats eliminate a nuisance so they can stop fogging up my reads then yes. I find said nuisances antitown, so unless someone trips my scumdar I stay here.-
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I never said it was because i couldnt read him. I said it was because his playstyle comes off as scummy to me, and it hinders my scumhunting by distraction. I like where my vote is atm.
Frankly, idc if people are experts on him. He distracts me, and that is an issue to me.
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So, in your minds a distraction is someone who I think is town? No. A distraction in my case is someone whose play waffles back and forth so much I want to vote them just as much as sheeping them. And bubba, I'm not about to stand by anyones points in this, noone has brought up anything that I can actually find a common thread in my own thoughts.
Juan, I don't quite know what you mean with 3P. I do better when we have people who aren't screwing around messing up things, I find it a giant pain to have to sift through. I don't care if you wrote the manual to reading fuzzy, I'm not trusting anything anyone says about him until he either gets serious or flips town.
Early in the day? Hell, we have 10 days. This is the shortest dayspan I've had. So, forgive me for rushing some, but come on.
I love how I got a vote just for having my vote on someone for my own reasons. Anti-town for not adhering to his statements? No thanks. Come back when you have a better reason for me.-
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I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
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Before the inevitable hypocrisy QQing, I found someone who actually came off as purely scummy instead of that waffling bit such as fuzzy. Figure this is a better place to sit my vote. Still not a huge fan of him jumping on that pitoli vote for not posting yet, when his have been few as well.
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I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
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Before the inevitable hypocrisy QQing, I found someone who actually came off as purely scummy instead of that waffling bit such as fuzzy. Figure this is a better place to sit my vote. Still not a huge fan of him jumping on that pitoli vote for not posting yet, when his have been few as well.
P-edit: Nice reasoning there AIF, take you long to come up with that?-
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In post 189, AngelInFreezer wrote:
Do you know who say these stuff the most?In post 184, notscience wrote:Come back when you have a better reason for me.
Scums who got caught for wrong reason.
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Lmfao, so telling him to come back with a decent reason of a vote is scummy? So by your logic there, anyone saying anything related to someone not having a good reason to vote is scummy, no?-
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So, being sarcastic and agressive in a game full of hostility and making said comment is a scumtell? Good to know. I'll be sure to keep that one in mind, I'm sure that town has NEVER done that before ever in these games.In post 192, AngelInFreezer wrote:bubba
drop your EM logic
it just doesn't work there
@notscience: yes, added with the tone of your post, and no, it depends on the context and tones.
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Yes.In post 195, Aj The Epic wrote:G, are you GIF?-
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In post 197, AngelInFreezer wrote:
Also this is bubba-town.In post 177, bubbajack8 wrote:Voting is not scummy. I'm sorry. Trying to rush people to vote, is. I have already said I'm inexperienced on MS but experienced in mafia. I'm not a
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And I refuse to be treated as one. I'll make decisions on my own.
@notscience: the only time town say such thing is out of frustration. I don't see frustration in your post. What you're doing basically is "lol he sux lynch him! your attack on me is shit, do better!" and doing nothing remarkable yourself.
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LOLWUT? How the hell is this even remotely true. I've been voted for what exactly? Voting someone who disrupts my game, making it hard for me to actually decipher others because I'm too focused on his slot? Tell me how that's not incredibly frustrating. I pushed who i think is scum. I changed my vote because HP is pinging my scumdar harder atm. Still not liking fuzzy.-
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I'm not liking him. Whereas before I could see justification for his lack of sustenance, he seems to post in the following categories-
1) I'm not a noob!
2) Noobs shouldn't be lynched!
3) Random nonsensical stuff that helps noone in the game!
4) Content>Amount. Last I checked, look at what he has done.-
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AJ- He doesn't really have all that much content. What he does have is actually good, but he doesn't have a lot. Leaning town.
Amrun- All he has done is QQ about new people, complain, and try to correct people incessantly. Nothing going on for him, yet he claims to be experienced. So, leaning scum.
AIF- Null. I really disagree with a lot of his stuff but the intent is still there. I feel like he keeps going back to "this person hasn't posted enough to be commented on" and I hate excuses.
JKM- Not a whole lot of stuff he's said. Looking at his posts (I'm counting them as 5 because one was just to fix a vote tag) 3/5 are vote switching. I don't like his waffling incessantly, and he's not asking questions.
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Explain how those were vague. Maybe short, because we really have so few things to go off of. Oh, I forgot to give you a rating, if that's what you're talking about. I had you leaning scum, you seem to be shopping around leaving votes on various people you can fall back to if you fall under the slightest bit of pressure. Just saying, I never do well under pressure, however the sarcasm is new (and I'll attribute that to the hostility of this game, it's more hostile than any other game I've done and apparently this is light ;-;).In post 222, JKMatthews wrote:So I work full time... the number of posts I need to catch up on every time I come online is sometimes hard to digest. However, I am reading the whole game, and if I were able to comment amongst some posts I would, but then I read the next 20 and realise a) my opinions had already been expressed or b) have changed.
I also read a hell of a lot of what's been happening as a dick-measuring contest, which really I'm not interested in getting involved in (cos I usually lose them )
I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the night kills tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.
I wish I'd been on earlier, because AiF beat me to pointing out the dodgiest thing that's happened yet imo. notscience gets his back up at the smallest sign of pressure, goes into full sarcasm mode, gets a mention from others, then flips the switch and makes the above post with a few vague reads.
Let's make it 4/6 posts that are vote-switching.
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Bubba, explain to me how my reads on you, amrun, and fuzzy were vague. Fuzzy is understandable, but I don't like how he plays and I stated that repeatedly. You, I stated. Amrun, I stated.
JKM, you say I pulled those reads out of nowhere. You're wrong, AiF asked me for reads yesterday and I was providing them (I'll get the others today). Those reads came from ISOs, and in all reality you're mad I called you out for shopping around, so you have a back way out in case your current wagon fails. I find that scummy, yet I'm still not a huge fan of what HP said yesterday, it came off more like scum trying to communicate to me, but eh, that's just me.
Bubba, explain to me howallthat from JKM even hints of content, when you yourself say content>amount. He's written essays, okay. He hasn't done anything excluding shop around for votes. He tries to discredit it saying reads change, but his reads change THAT fast, to the point where he can deduce someone is "scum" without even asking them anything?-
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In post 250, AngelInFreezer wrote:@notscience: I see you can scumhunt fairly well even with fuzzy's nonsense.
Now tell me. How is fuzzy distracting you enough for you to push a lynch on him?
Sidenote: my hydra partner where art thou D:
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I honestly have no rebuttal for that. I feel like it was me trying to find an excuse to be lazy (I'm getting lax in most of my games now, I need to step it up anyways). So, yeah.
VOTE: Amrun
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In post 267, jon_h61 wrote:
I like playing with more experienced players, and don't mind being called out on bad play. It helps me grow as a player, and I can watch scum hunting techniques I'd not learn otherwise. My experience is all here on mafiascum, and I have a long way to go before I call myself experienced. I'm telling you this so maybe it'll help you get a better read on me if you're Town, which I'm leaning strongly that you are.In post 241, Amrun wrote:Fyi to everyone: noob is not an insult and I never intended it as such. Saying I am more experienced is not having an ego. It is being factual. Anyone with eyes can see it. I am not saying I am some amazingly skilled player, but I have a LOT of games and experience. Somehow saying so and correcting people about serious gaffes in theory is condescending. Sorry if you think so but idc really. Know that I am not trying to insult or imply you're terrible or whatever.
Agree.Aj The Epic wrote:The three on Amrun are the three with the lowest amount of mafia knowledge/ms meta by my count. This is probably a frustration wagon and I really don't see much merit to it.
@AiF Thanks
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In post 269, jon_h61 wrote:
lol. Does it hurt for people to know my experience? I was bringing it up because of earlier posts.In post 268, notscience wrote:I smell buddying in the first half of this post. Anyone else?
"I'm telling YOU this so you can get a better read on me because I think you're town" I see buddying, I'm not retracting that statement. I'd like to know why.-
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Oh, so my votes are always after someone else? Last I checked, you followed me onto pitoli and held onto it for holy hell. Show me where you HAVENT done that. Not to mention, my vote on you had a reason. I shared the reason. What wagon am I currently trying to push, please enlighten me as to that fact? I'm voting those that I find to be scum. Also people are REACTIONARY in mafia? The game where everything is judged by-wait for it- REACTIONS? Say it isn't so. I'd wager the only reason you're liking my wagon is an attempt to save your scumbuddies from a lynch. Namely, JKMatthews, whom you "aren't ready" to pursue a lynch on for someodd reason. Why not? He's done NOTHING to help the town. You're just looking at the wagons and saying "well, this is the biggest so I will jump on and town will like me for it because I follow the majority!" I don't like the vote (for obvious reasons, as well as what I've listed here) and it comes off to me slightly OMGUSy for my calling you out a few pages ago.In post 281, HookerPunch wrote:
Someone finally said it.In post 277, Hoopla wrote:hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.
Can you clarify this for me Hoopla?if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day.
Sorry 'bout my slight absence--the StarCityGames circuit is in town this weekend, so I was out there. Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.
JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.
Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.-
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Translation- "I will vote notscience again after one post of the replacement, and I have completely ignored his rebuttal"In post 289, HookerPunch wrote:UNVOTE: not science While I will probably revote him, I wanna hear from JKM's replacement in case anyone tries to steal the day.-
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Translation- "I will vote notscience again after one post of the replacement, and I have completely ignored his rebuttal"In post 289, HookerPunch wrote:UNVOTE: not science While I will probably revote him, I wanna hear from JKM's replacement in case anyone tries to steal the day.-
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AIF, I am definately feeling that JKM/HP slot alliance going on. I don't like HP's excuse for not joining the wagon, but that will just be discreditted anyways. I truly enjoy becoming the policy lynch, it seems that has become my role on this forum. Lovely. I'll be a good boy and wait for intent before I claim. I still don't like that JKM spot.-
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Place your bets on who jon parks a vote on next guys! Rest assured, he's the best parker in the business. I see Hoopla's points about the wagon, particularly those who started it and JKM (part of what was in JKMs was something I had speculated about myself a few pages back).
I don't like the end to 337. It feels more like someone nervous they trodded on the wrong foot. Not to mention, it's INCREDIBLY fence-sitty. "kinda looked" "somehow missed" all come across poorly IMO.
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I already said why JKM and HP have a potential to be scumbuddies. I'm still not loving HP's attempt to assist the scum a few pages back, and then he votes me simply because "my wagon is bigger," not because I come off as more scummy than him.
I give a reason for a vote, and it's me trying to place an oppurtunistic vote? Lets twist everything I say to make me seem scummy please AIF.
Calling OMGUS on Jon's vote. He's scared his wagon is getting too big and is jumping to me to try and save his ass. He didn't even provide a reason for his vote, as fuzzy has not been doing either. So, yeah.-
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Protecting your scummate?In post 385, Kthxbye wrote:It's a counter wagon to the scum-not wagon...not rocket surgery.-
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And your point is? If it appears as such, I'm calling it as such.In post 390, Kthxbye wrote:
you've used this one already.In post 387, notscience wrote:
Protecting your scummate?In post 385, Kthxbye wrote:It's a counter wagon to the scum-not wagon...not rocket surgery.-
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I've already explained my behaviour. I have become a huge Day 1 target in most of my games so far. It gets old fast. I was kinda fed up with it all. I'm honestly terrible under any pressure no matter the role. Bitching is not a scumtell for me, I tend to do it no matter my side. :LIn post 393, Kthxbye wrote:
If I were scumbuddies with Jon, now would be the perfect time to bus the shit out of him vice 'protect' him. That said, you already know we aren't scum since we aren't scum with you. At any rate, when was the last game you played where scum protected their scumbuddy on d1 as you rare claiming I am doing. If anything, I would expect a white knighting suspicion over a protecting a scum buddy accusation. Of course, you can't do that and continue to have your vote on the only wagon that could save you today. This is part of why I'm sure your scum.In post 391, notscience wrote:
And your point is? If it appears as such, I'm calling it as such.In post 390, Kthxbye wrote:
you've used this one already.In post 387, notscience wrote:
Protecting your scummate?In post 385, Kthxbye wrote:It's a counter wagon to the scum-not wagon...not rocket surgery.
The other part is how once you appeared to be the lynch, you became very uninvolved except to bitch about being lynched. Votes come off you and you start trying again. This behavior is indicative of a scum reaction more than a town reaction to being at L-1 on D1.-
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Amrun, the bolded in post 400 came off more to me as scum desperate not to be lynched over the town wanting to stay alive so he could help.
Asking people if they agree with me is both an assessment of buddying, as well as confirming if what I saw was true (because face it, I might have read something TOTALLY wrong).
Also, I'm pretty sure I've called out HP for some questionable posts.-
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In post 455, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm still not liking HP's answers to anything. He said he's ok with a policy, and he's ok with joining random ass hell wagons. But he never joined the Amrun wagon, so I'm curious if he'll policy lynch AMrun now.
Didn't everyone yell at me for trying to push a policy? >.>-
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But sporadic votes leave backdoors if they get too pressured with a vote.In post 464, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 455, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm still not liking HP's answers to anything. He said he's ok with a policy, and he's ok with joining random ass hell wagons. But he never joined the Amrun wagon, so I'm curious if he'll policy lynch AMrun now.
Why would there be a policy lynch on Amrun? Also, HP could easily be scum (As noted earlier) though I mostly find scum will not vote everywhere. Tunneling is a little more helpful to getting lynches for scum.-
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Weird, I didn't know a scum ever who told people to stop helping him pick a kill.In post 485, jon_h61 wrote: To cut off the argument that this helps scum direct their NKs, do you really think they need our help to figure out who Town is? I think they'll use their own agendas to decide who to NK.
But hey, that's just me.
Today I'd be good with a HP or jon lynch. I also hate lurkers something fierce, trying not to let that bleed into my scumreads this game. As of now, I think HP has a more pressing need to be lynched if not for scumminess, just habitual anti-town and questionable posts. I'd move my vote but not sure where his stands atm. I've already called out HP for anti-town comments, if not scum comments. So....-
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