Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Zebulin

If I keep tunneling you in games, eventually I have to be right once, right?

[Boonskiies]

Looking forward to playing with everyone, specifically House and BBT. BlueBloodedBoonskiies for life. <3

[Boonskiies]

Same as yours,

lover

. *wink*wink*

[Boonskiies]

wait, what. No guys, of course I'm not soft claiming Lover with BBT, pfft. pfft. That would be ridiculous.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Boonskiies

You haven't said anything completely ridiculous yet.

...You're Boonskiies.

soft claiming lover on page 1 isn't ridiculous?

[Boonskiies]

Clarification for those who haven't played with Boonskiies: In our last game, he hammered without a claim, White Knighted a major scum tell in order to see their reaction, and trolled me for two solid days before I got town to lynch him (we were both Vanilla Townies). I was then lynched in lylo due to Boonskiies' flip, and the game was lost. I still harbor bitter resentment for him over that, and will tunnel the fellow Day 1 so I don't need to worry about his weird, weird playstyle for the rest of the game.

You got yourself lynched. I didn't do anything, but point out scumminess. It's actually not that weird. I just have fun, while at the same time playing to my win condition, regardless of what alignment. Because if you don't have fun, what's the point?

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: boonskies
I had forgotten that game zeb -_-
I will also hop to house if a wagon forms. He still scares me.

opportunistic already.

[Boonskiies]

Right!! Let's blame Kilerjester!

And if anyone has any reason to find me untrusting or suspicious, it's BlueBloodedToffee.

Also, my hammer that game with Zebulin on day 1 did hit scum...I may be ridiculous, but village idiot isn't the right word. Most people find that out around day 3.

[Boonskiies]

Haha...if only it was last game...it was a couple games ago. I thought we had already past that, though? I thought it was a good way to get out of RVS actually.

[Boonskiies]

intent to unvote, have someone else vote, and then intent to hammer.

Anywho, I'm not anti-town...ever. Kim just over the top and ridiculous.

[Boonskiies]

I like hammers.

[Boonskiies]

You guys realize I was the first one on Zebulin, right? And I can't

actually

hammer...come on now. Haha.

[Boonskiies]

If you clowns really think it's a good idea to get someone to claim for no reason then lets just massclaim D1.

Blue starts.

Slandaar, haven't you been paying attention? BBT and I have been soft claiming lovers all day!!!duh!!

[Boonskiies]

No one's going to hammer you at this point, Zeb. Don't claim.

unvote

It was my RVS vote.

[Boonskiies]

To be fair, one of the last games we finished, we had a talk about pushing someone to L-1 and forcing a claim early game. I think it's just BBT trying something new.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Zebulin
I don't like the fact that he's trying to bring up someone else's meta this early in the game. Possible reasons why:
a) He actually, genuinely wants to warn us that he thinks Boonskiies is completely insane as VT, and the town is better off if he's lynched, regardless of alignment. Possible but seems unlikely when Boonskiies hasn't done anything to warrant the meta-warning yet.
b) Zebulin is scum and wishes to encourage a lynch of Boonskiies, who he knows is town.
c) They're both scum and he was trying to provide an excuse for any later mistakes by Boon.
d) I'm overanalyzing random chatter from this stage of the game.
All of these are possible. Personally, I suspect Zebulin because he seems outright manipulative already - he's trying to affect how we look at Boonskiies when we've barely even started.

Also, a point to do with your post that confused me, Zeb: wouldn't tunneling him because you think he's anti-town produce the same negative result as it did in that previous game, since a town-flip by him would inevitably implicate you? If you're both town again, that's two mislynches.

Boon is completely insane. Shouldn't lynch him because of it.

Yet, rando is voting me? Hmm...

[Boonskiies]

I messed up on the quoting...haha. Rando's the one who said the bolded line in response to Pony.

[Boonskiies]

Haha, no. but I pointed out his defending of the idea of me being lynched, yet he's voting me.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: ploben
joined zeb wagon last

This is.....a fact!

I thought we were going to out a PR early and I got all excited...seemed like a great idea at the time

/sarcasm

You have to use blue text if it's sarcasm.

Right, Zebulin?

[Boonskiies]

I did vote Zeb for a different reason then to force a claim. I figured, based on his past mafia experience, there was no way he was claiming. I was genuinely interested to see what would people would say after Zeb went L-1. And I'll tell you what, the posts after my vote proved a good read.

I can go into details if you'd like.

Go into detail.

[Boonskiies]

By the way, Boonskiies, I'm town this game.

Don't lynch me plzkthx.

Alright. So House is confirmed town. Got it.

[Boonskiies]

My reasons for wanting Zeb to claim are...get ready...I was PR hunting. Come at me.

I'm not PR fishing.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

VOTE: Zebulin

I'm going to sheep this and join back on the Zebulin Wagon. I totally think this is town BBT, oh, and not only because him and I are lovers. In the Case of the Missing Doctor Pepper game, he started being a major focus and being put near hammer through many days. (we had one of the longest Day 1 of all time too, I believe.) I know meta shouldn't be used, but it feels like the same BBT I know, love, and kind of want to strangle sometimes.

VOTE: Zebulin

Zebulin's vote is super opportunistic. And he is voting VI play and not scum play.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah. They're pro town roles. They die together. I'm not

actually

claiming lovers. *wink*wink*

[Boonskiies]

My reasons for wanting Zeb to claim are...get ready...I was PR hunting. Come at me.

I'm not PR fishing.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

VOTE: Zebulin

I'm going to sheep this and join back on the Zebulin Wagon. I totally think this is town BBT, oh, and not only because him and I are lovers. In the Case of the Missing Doctor Pepper game, he started being a major focus and being put near hammer through many days. (we had one of the longest Day 1 of all time too, I believe.) I know meta shouldn't be used, but it feels like the same BBT I know, love, and kind of want to strangle sometimes.

VOTE: Zebulin

Zebulin's vote is super opportunistic. And he is voting VI play and not scum play.

Opportunistic and OMGUSy.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah. They're pro town roles. They die together. I'm not

actually

claiming lovers. *wink*wink*

This is actually not true. They can be aligned the same or even in a town-mafia pair.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

I said they are Pro-town roles. Look at the link you sent me...read it. Mhm...Look at the info bar under the picture. It says Alignment: Pro-Town.

I didn't say they were always both town. Please actually read before you make accusations. Thanks.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah. They're pro town roles. They die together. I'm not

actually

claiming lovers. *wink*wink*

This is actually not true. They can be aligned the same or even in a town-mafia pair.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

I said they are Pro-town roles. Look at the link you sent me...read it. Mhm...Look at the info bar under the picture. It says Alignment: Pro-Town.

I didn't say they were always both town. Please actually read before you make accusations. Thanks.

I'm dumb. There's a second picture. My apologies.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah. They're pro town roles. They die together. I'm not

actually

claiming lovers. *wink*wink*

This is actually not true. They can be aligned the same or even in a town-mafia pair.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

I said they are Pro-town roles. Look at the link you sent me...read it. Mhm...Look at the info bar under the picture. It says Alignment: Pro-Town.

I didn't say they were always both town. Please actually read before you make accusations. Thanks.

I'm dumb. There's a second picture. My apologies.

Lol? I did. Read the next post...

[Boonskiies]

215 - Ploben, you won't be lynching me. You still didn't answer my question either. I'll even quote it for you to have another go at;

You think scum is on the same page as you?

You also want scum to help you solve the game?

Nah, you're talking to him as if he is town.

My post, to put it into context, was in relation to this;

I'm curious here. You're saying when you post them you're more apt to ride those reads until the end. You're saying you have 3 suspects you're confident in. But you don't want to post them?

Why not? I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?

BTW, I'm thinking your short list includes BBT & Pony. Not sure about you're 3rd.

Specifically, the bolded part seems to imply that he thinks Slandaar is town.

221 - Random, I have no idea who you're talking to here.

Also, if you suspect me, why is your vote still on MonkeyMan? I've seen no explanation of why your vote on him should have turned serious - he was your RVS vote, unless I'm wrong.

This is a good point.

My current impression of BBT: buddying me quite a bit, regardless of alignment. Could be a genuine observation that I look town to him, but he didn't exactly pick my towniest post to comment on, so I kind of doubt that. Might be buddying me so that I unvote him/think he's town, might be buddying me so that I look like scum.

Can you show me where you think I have been buddying you? I'm pretty sure I have only stated that I think you're town.

233 - Pony, do you think it's good play for scum to openly admit they are PR-hunting? Further, I was not PR-hunting. That would be ridiculous.

You should take option B.

I'm not sure why you need posts to be 'wordy' either. Personally, I prefer much shorter, concise posts. Makes the game easier to read (ironic given I'm about to post this wall)

234 - Will lynch Tip for this.

235 - Will lynch Luca for this.

239 - What a fantastically useless question, Ploben. Obvious filler is obvious, obvious fake scum-hunting is obvious.

243 - You're damn right I did. Somebody should always be at L-1 & there should also always be two competing wagons.

249 - Zeb, when is PR-fishing ever a good idea? Like, this is the worst reason to unvote someone I have ever read in my life.

Zeb & Ploben are scum.

Slandaar might be the third (this is based on associatives though so need more information before I commit to it)

So, you've been PR-fishing the entire game, defended your PR-fishing actions, and now you're saying PR-fishing is scummy and everyone should vote me because of unvoting you? What?

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

tip has a point in that you shouldn't scumread players for not being able to play. At least Luca's honest about lurking.

lynch this.

[Boonskiies]

Don't like this post.

[Boonskiies]

specifically because it came immediately after two other Ploben votes.

[Boonskiies]

Prodge.

[Boonskiies]

Nah, I don't replace out that easily. I just wait for something worth reading before I bother posting.

[Boonskiies]

Nah, I don't replace out that easily. I just wait for something worth reading before I bother posting.

Boonskiies, you are buddying the hell out of me, bro.

It's because you were voting Zebulin earlier, and now you're voting Monkeyman, which is always fine by me. Also, day 1's for me are always very lighthearted because I can't trust any of my early reads. It's all setup for later. And I just quoted it because it's the same kind of way for me. If I don't have anything to say on day 1, I don't post. Later I'll post pointlessly, but I usually don't day 1. Plus, you're House, and

obviously

(sarcasm) town, duh.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah, Monkey always screams scum to me. When I was scum in a game, The Burning, and I knew he was town, I still legitimately felt he should have flipped scum.

[Boonskiies]

I mean, that's part of the game. It doesn't matter if your reads are on-point if you can't convince others to vote people other than you.

[Boonskiies]

You had one out of two as a possibility, in a situation where you should have known 100% who both scum were.

[Boonskiies]

But anywho, why don't you vote Zebulin?

[Boonskiies]

Hey Boonskiies,

What do you say we lynch ploben?

I have reasons, but before I post them, read his ISO and share your take, please.


kthxbai

Don't even need to check his ISO. I think ploben's just floating by not really doing anything and covering it up with fluffy questions and not very productive at all. Only thing that makes me weary is Zebulin was voting there earlier. My Zebulin read could be bad, but meh. I just am not town reading him.

[Boonskiies]

I just reread ploben's ISO, and he actually answered my question on the L-1 before I voted him, and I was just being stupid. UNVOTE: Ploben
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee for reasons already mentioned.

House: How is ploben scum? Is there something I'm missing?

Reads:

Very Town:
Town:

Ponystar17, Kaboose

Leaning Town:

Boonskiies, Slandaar

Null:

ploben, Luca Blight, House, pisskop

Leaning Scum:

MonkeyMan576

Scum:

tip, BlueBoodedToffee

Very Scum:

WTF is this? You were voting ploben...he's null now? Not even leaning scum? WTF! I like how Zeb is just totally leaning town reading me hoping it'll cause me to back off of him too.

[Boonskiies]

Ploben is town I think.

@Blue why is it you cannot answer my one very simple question?

@Pony please can you let me know my read on midget.

You may be

a

Boonskiies.

But you are not

THE

Boonskiies.

I like this. This is why I buddy up to you, House. Haha. Buddies until I see a reason not to.

[Boonskiies]

I don't like the Tip argument either. I really don't know if Zebulin would bus his buddy this early without a major reason to. Unless he thought he was going down. Oi. My awkward trust for the people I like playing with is really going to come back and haunt me eventually...

VOTE: Ploben

I'm voting it with the sense that Zebulin isn't here.

I'm going to give my mini reads list now, that I'll explain when I have more time.

[Boonskiies]

Boonskiies

BlueBloodedToffee

Slandaar
pisskop
House

Luca Blight
Kaboose (replaces Always Mafia)
tip
randomidget
MonkeyMan576

Ponystar17
ploben
Zebulin

This is kind of how I feel right now.

[Boonskiies]

Eh, I feel if anything I'm buddying with BBT more than House. House and I are just conversing while scum hunting, adding a bit of fun to the game.

Also, ploben, BBT isn't scum. Try a different mislynch.

[Boonskiies]

@BBT - 'cuz we're lovers...you're town because it's super obvious when you aren't town. Haha. Even if you aren't obvious as scum, I think I've gotten to the point where I can see when you are doing things from a town perspective. Granted, it is Day 1, and things may start to change, but eh. I'm not the only one putting you as obv Town.

[Boonskiies]

Also, I hate that I really like Pony's last post.

[Boonskiies]

@BBT - I totally get your bussing theory earlier now...

[Boonskiies]

@Tip - It's Day 1, people are just flailing. Plus, I'm pretty sure scum is pushing your wagon.

[Boonskiies]

It's probably Zebulin, Ponystar, and Ploben.

[Boonskiies]

no I meant if the day were to end right then...with two people at 4 votes, which would have had the rope?

I don't think tip is scum. Don't townread him, but not willing to throw away a lynch on a hussled wagon.

I want Rando, Zeb, and then Plob. Plob is more for his flip info. He's neutral, like tip.

You'd rather Rando, but your votes on Zeb? See, I like the Zeb over Rando, but that's why I've never voted Rando and have been pushing for Zeb all day.

[Boonskiies]

Zeb is scum.

[Boonskiies]

Zeb/ploben/pony star. Calling it now.

[Boonskiies]

I know your game very well, BBT. Haha. I've played multiple games with you, including one where I was in a hydra, I often read your games, and I have replaced into a few games that you have replaced out of during my mafiascum life.

Regardless, I don't think you should ever be a Day 1 lynch, which is my main reasoning for town reading you right now. My reads completely change by the time Day 3 comes around. Don't EVER take my Day 1 reads seriously. My philosophy with you, BBT, is that you are super town until you show that you are not. I'll be able to catch you out eventually if you are scum, but it will be an over time thing. I see no reason not to town read you right now, and no reason to necessarily push you without anybody having flipped yet. You are easy to just town read, and even easier to start scum reading.

[Boonskiies]

We have less than 10 hours, can we just agree to lynch someone?

[Boonskiies]

Oh, god. Get off of him, guys. He's at L-1 already. At least give us some discussion first...then we can lynch him, I'll even hammer it myself. Until then...

VOTE: Zebulin

His hesitance to vote Ploben was weird. He kept changing his vote.

[Boonskiies]

God damn, I really want to hammer. Haha.

[Boonskiies]

Can't hold it in!!! HAMMA TIME!!!
VOTE: Tip

[Boonskiies]

If he flips town, we lynch Ponystar. If it helps, your ponystar vote added you to my town reads?

[Boonskiies]

I thought we lynch Zeb if Tip flips scum?

[Boonskiies]

Come on, guys. You should know that if someone's put to L-1 I have a hard time not making it HAMMA TIME!

[Boonskiies]

This is totally not out of the ordinary for me guys...stop acting surprised. Haha.

[Boonskiies]

My Ninja MafiaHAMMA OUT OF NOWHERE WHEN I WAS TOWN READING THE GUY (WHO WAS SCUM) WHEN I WAS TOWN

I hammer out of nowhere quite often. It's become a thing on this site not to put people to L-1 with Boon around. People think I have the site modded where it alerts me when someone's put to L-1.

[Boonskiies]

(Although, if I'm actually town reading the person, I won't hammer. Don't worry, I'm not that cray cray.)

[Boonskiies]

I usually stop the crazy hammers around D3 anyways.

[Boonskiies]

Which questions?

[Boonskiies]

Why, Boon?

Pretty sure I explained it. I got this feelin' and I just hadtuh do it. The feeling of hammering just makes me...ohhhhhh....smile.

[Boonskiies]

Why are we going to lynch zeb if tip is scum?

Who are we going to lynch if tip is town, and why?

Still gotta see where your head is at.

Oh, I wasn't paying attention in the beginning. I just heard of a possible Zebulin lynch and went with it. After thinking about it, and not being controlled by that everlasting hammer feeling, the BBT game plan does seem best. Zebulin vs Tip was a big thing, and it doesn't look like scum theatrics, so at most only one of them are scum.

[Boonskiies]

I have never played with you before. but you just said....

why did you change your mind so fast?

Oh, god. Get off of him, guys. He's at L-1 already.

At least give us some discussion first..

.then we can lynch him, I'll even hammer it myself. Until then...

sooo...what the fuck?

address this please.

This is obvious. I like hammering. Simple as that. People who have played with me before will know this. I explained the "Don't Put Someone To L-1 With Boon", didn't I? Yeah, I'm too much of a wild card on that, haha. I linked my ninja mafia game where I hammered my biggest town read out of nowhere without letting him claim. He flipped scum there, though. I was town.

[Boonskiies]

I mean, if people put him to L-1 they obviously wanted a lynch. I don't know. I didn't see how it could hurt town. If he flips town, okay, we got rid of a random unreadable person who didn't offer much; if he flips scum, awesome. We got two scum flips in a row. Either way, we win. Pointless to PL past day 2 really.

[Boonskiies]

Not saying that was a PL, there was plenty of reason s to lynch him. I don't believe anyone was necessarily town reading him.

[Boonskiies]

Oh, god. Get off of him, guys. He's at L-1 already. At least give us some discussion first...then we can lynch him, I'll even hammer it myself. Until then...

okay then why say ANY of this?

Because I try to be a good player sometimes, okay! Hmph. I'm sorry my inner village idiot comes out sometimes. Haha. I don't get why you are so hung up on that. It's not out of character at all.

[Boonskiies]

Nah.... more like Zeb & pisskop.

pisskop avoids scumreading Boonskiies for a SaF hammer, and he's been appeasey as hell the entire game.

Oh? Are you scumreading boon's?
.Sounds like somebody's mad they lost 2 buddies.

This sounds like you know Tip is going to flip scum, as opposed to earlier when you were acting unsure.

[Boonskiies]

Sorry, have had unexpected company the past few days, and trying to keep up with all my games is difficult. I'm prod dodging right now, and should be able to catch up on stuff tonight or tomorrow.

[Boonskiies]

I don't coach as scum. L. Also, are we supposed to be mass claiming? Why?

[Boonskiies]

@Pony - He said 'he KNOWS' tip is scum. Obvious guilty on said player = obvious PR.

Pisskop is town because I find it highly unlikely 3 scum sat on a wagon (random) that was going nowhere. In a few VCs, the only people voting Random are Ploben, tip and pisskop. Doesn't fit that they're all scum.

Because when Plobeb/tip where in danger of being lynched they just sat on Random anyway. They needed to set up a viable CW, Random was it. Scum do not hard buss when they're in danger of being lynched. Not both of them anyway.

No, it doesn't.

If Random is a vig it's quite possibly the worst shot I have ever seen (this is the only thing that points to Random scum because it's such a dumb move after Zeb gave us scum) but scum would for sure kill Zeb.

I disagree that it was a bad shot. Some reasons make it bad, others make it good.

Yes, I targeted Zeb with an action.

[Boonskiies]

This being said, I didn't expect him to die last night, or I would have used my ability elsewhere.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Boon

Vote him until he tells us.

By the way, this is the dumbest thing to do to someone who isn't even looking at the thread, just saying. I posted before seeing any votes on me, and pressure votes really are pointless. Just outting PR/giving scum an easy fake claim.

[Boonskiies]

Friendly neighbor 1 shot.

[Boonskiies]

Friendly neighbor targets a person and confirms their alignment to that one person. It's not related to neighbors at all.

[Boonskiies]

Regardless...I'm bs'ing.

[Boonskiies]

Nah, we're done. Haha.

[Boonskiies]

No, I wasn't. I was encryptor. Tip was the new recruit, and he joined me at the beginning of day 2. I had a chance to NK him.

[Boonskiies]

Haha, I thought if last a couple days as well. Ah well.
@CKD - well played...

@cheery - I was joke claiming lover, haha.

[Boonskiies]

Inb4 pisskop and I roll lovers in our next game.

[Boonskiies]

My awkward trust for the people I like playing with is really going to come back and haunt me eventually...

I knew I didn't like this post! You cheeky scumfuck hahaha!

<3 haha.