Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)
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hello.
I'm in a strange mood so I'm not actually going to get coherent thoughts here anyway. I think I remember elyse, I don't think I was particulary impressed with RC. Aeronaut! hi. You ahve a different avvi.
I don't think I'm supposed to know anyone else? I hope I didn't insult anyone with that. Sorry in that case. I am bad with names.
I guess what I'm really trying to say is "HIiiiiii I'm looking forward to gettting to know you and playing this fun game with new people!".
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In post 15, toolenduso wrote:In post 14, mykonian wrote:I don't think I'm supposed to know anyone else? I hope I didn't insult anyone with that. Sorry in that case. I am bad with names.
YOU WERE ONE OF THREE REVIEWERS FOR A GAME I NEVER GOT PAST THE REVIEW STAGE HOW CAN YOU NOT REMEMBER YOU DON'T LOVE ME!
I've reviewed so many
counterclaim one shot pre-game cop. TheDudeisscum.
vote thedude
on a more serious note, I don't like eektor.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 70, eektor wrote:In post 68, mykonian wrote:
counterclaim one shot pre-game cop. TheDudeisscum.
vote thedude
on a more serious note, I don't like eektor.
So you think I'm scummy but instead of voting for me, you chose to continue with an RVS vote?
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In post 77, InsidiousLemons wrote:I'm getting tunnel vision on Metal. Why are you continuing with RVS when there are better voting options?
Because I'd like to get to know people better first.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 121, toolenduso wrote:@Myko, do you see anybody worth pushing yet?
not really, I have two vague townreads, three vague scumreads (eektor, taly, lemons). I think I'm voting someone town.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Oh, very much so. I do not intend to keep it that way.
I can see the others, but given his inexperience I'm not yet sold on Taly as a scumread. Would you mind explaining what you're seeing?
Mostly post 114 and 124. Esspecially the last is a bit awkward. The first is less obvious, could maybe even go either way depending on who taly is, but I think that's slightly scummy.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 163, InsidiousLemons wrote:as it's such a change of pace from his normal posting style
Please educate me. You don't me that well from 3 posts.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 176, Taly wrote:I really don't understand how post 124 was to be seen as scum mykonian, I was openly receptive for people to ask questions to try and see a better side of me because they were obviously unsure since they didn't know that much. I want people to ask questions because it seems town-motivated to for the questioning, and questioned to realize the side of the other, and both to understand information to know what to do to press forward. Also, I agree with Aquanim in post 144 - you haven't given any reasons for any of your reads as far as I've seen and even when answered in post 149 you didn't even elaborate on top of that. Other than this, I haven't seen many posts from you indicating a lot of insight, or at the very least, town-motivated thoughts.
VOTE: mykonian
hmm. Hows that for omgus.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 171, InsidiousLemons wrote:You just normally seem so cheery and friendly, that to respond to an incredulous question like that without really divulging anything or even offering an explanation as to why you aren't divulging anything is in contrast to what I've seen of how you post from the brief time I've spent playing with you. I'm aware it's hard to tell tone in text, but it seemed as though you almost expected it to be a perfect, sufficient explanation. With that said, why did you keep your RVS vote?
heh, well then.
I'm not terribly cheery.
I also am quite aware that it's not very satisfying to have a vote on a townread. But it's not as if I'm not aware.
What you are doing then, is being my mom. "Don't you think you it's a good idea to clean your room".
but since I feel like being an adolescent, I'm answering "yes, that's an awesome idea" and continue to not do it.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 178, Taly wrote:I really don't understand how post 124 was to be seen as scum mykonian, I was openly receptive for people to ask questions
Actually, I can easily explain what's bothering me with this post, and in a similar way, post 124.
Asking people to ask you questions, esspecially at this early point of the game is a defense mechanism. Explaining what you did and why you did things tends to put people at ease. Since scum hasn't really bothered to make any moves, they haven't been in tight spots yet (hey, we just finished the RVS), this is "easy". Which is wrong with this post and post 124.
The second thing that is very wrong with this post in particular is the emphasis on "openly". This is a given when you are town. The emphasis doesn't make half as much sense when you are town (you are open anyway), but makes more sense from a scum mindset "I can still be honest about my gameplay so far, there's nothing to find".
So the way I see it, Taly is a prime candidate for scum.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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hmm, no, don't think so taly. I don't think you get credit for putting me in the spotlight. I've made two whole posts about voting a townread, you'd really need to step up your game.
And coming clean isn't a thing in mafia. If you are scum at the start of the game, you are scum for the entirity of the game. You can't say "sorry" about a post that exposes you.
@aquanim, iso me for a case on Taly. It's one of the last posts.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Ah, the blessing of internet in the train. Let see what I can put together in 50 min.
I don't think post by post analysis is very useful, nobody reads it anyway, but otoh I like posting when I read something, so bear with me.
First things first, I don't like RC. In general. A post like post 8 puts me off straight away anyway. I think the game would be better off without him, and knowing from the next pages, I'm going to keep thinking that.
My initial read of Eektor was his random vote as well. His explanation of "I got tagged, lets pass it on" is super awkward and scummy. You'd be fine without a reason, and shift of responsibility is just sucky.
page 2 is a giant waste of time. Oh, page three, I remember this one. Taly's unvote of eektor. I did not get this at all. We've really not reached escape velocity from the start of the game, given MC's random vote and subsequent inconsequental responses. Eektor had shown nothing positive yet. And somehow, this was taly's time to unvote and not make any positive move. Just to make sure you understand me, a positive move would be accusing someone, preferably without being prompted by someone else. Initiative would have been a more correct term. Taly shows none here. Which btw is going to come back. The moment Taly gets moving again is when I poke around with half posts (call it whatever you like, either laziness or "reaction tests" or w/e, I posted less than I could in the early game and that tends to annoy people). Anyway, that's the point that Taly gets moving against me, that was prompted. So there's that pattern there.
post 121 by toolenduso[/ur] is pushing taly on a good point. I can't help but like toolen for that, Lemons has voiced similar statements before and after but did less to act on it. In similar way, elyse has voice opinions I had in mind at that time. All can go on the town pile for thinking like I do though. Borders on tunneling from me, but I can afford that day one, I think. In response, 124 is horrible. That's as passive as you are going to get.
Hmm, I have lemons as a scumread at that point, lets see if I can retrace what post made me think that. (rereading, he was the first person to talk about dude and my claim being fake. That's a small blemish, really. But i'd expect scum to make such a post more easily. Something to keep in mind)
Page 8 converts my earlier promise of seeing scum in posts of taly into the real case when he finally bites and makes a vote again. As mentioned before, I don't want to call this initiative, it's very reactive to a vague post by me.
At which point RC goes off on idk what tangent, pushes practically policy lynch suddenly and idk, it's not as if we are playing with shotty here. I have no clue what goes on in RC's mind, but otoh it's probably better to keep it that way. Hell, if there was one player to policy lynch this game, I'd know who I would pick.
Ok, I missed this last question, my apologies.
I dislike RC too. Means that I really don't want to read him right now because I'm going to be biased anyway. Either way, this is not the way to reach a vote.
People who make you nervous aren't people who you think are scummy.
People who would "either way" provide you the most information aren't people who you think are scummy.
and these two thoughts aren't exclusive to me, there's a reason there's some hate on information lynches anyway. You should have known better.
And 2 stations still to go, post is done!Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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oh bloody hell, I'd be very grateful if the mod could fix that link
also, tl;dr:
Toolen: town
Elyse: town
Lemons: town but something to keep an eye on.
eektor: scum
taly: d1 lynch
RC: annoying.
For the rest there is a sliding scale but I'll post about it when I figure out more.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 364, Aquanim wrote:I have two questions for you:
1) Do you think Taly is willingly revealing his own reasoning for his reads and motivation for his actions?
2) Do you think Taly is trying to draw information out of other players to further his own reads?
Which reads.
Taly has voted eektor, then unvoted p much during the RVS stage. Didn't vote anyone till I started prodding, then voted me, when the case solidified and Elyse pressured, unvoted, and now he's back.
There are no "reads". There's one "read" and that happens to be on a person that's voting him.
If you read my post where I'm actually talking about what I think and thought this game, you can see that half my issue with the words is that they show how there's no action coming from taly. The other half is that I think they show how he has a scum mindset.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 381, TheDudeAbides wrote:Taly's 259 seems town motivated.
No.
And it's easy to explain too, but it heavily depends on the person you are playing with.
There are people who make lists all the time. There are people who do it much more often as scum. There aren't people who do it much more as town. The people who do it much more as scum are the people who have trouble feigning reads and putting accusations out. Making a list or a pbpe is a solid way to get enough focus to get a good sized town looking post out which circumvents such a persons usual struggles of getting a vote down. Possible other considerations are in the timing of such posts, are they early or late, do they come in a lull in the game, etc.
Or in other ways, unless said person believes lists and pbpe's are good anyway (and that's easy to catch from their other games), both of such posts should be seen with scepticism.
Issue is, I haven't bothered to find time to read taly's previous games (yet). Either way, that is not the town motivated post you could find in taly's iso.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 386, Aquanim wrote:Taly doesn't have previous games. That's been said before... a fair number of times.
Are you reading the thread, mykonian?
not quite sure what answer you expect
Yes I'm reading the thread.
No, I don't read everything just as seriously (for example, I'm completely out of the loop of RC's oddmusic and aqua case, I more or less browsed those pages, because I did not like how that came to be and the kind of posting it resulted in. I don't think it's productive)
Yes I'm mostly interested in parts that I know tend to give me my reads.
So it's very possible I skipped the bit where someone tried to meta taly and failed. I also know I skipped a paragraph of taly's self meta somewhere. Read the first sentence, then moved on. It could easily have been in there. That was simply not going to help me form a read, I don't like reading self meta as I'm going to think that person is scummy because of it nearly all the time.
But sure, if it's been mentioned 5 times that taly doesn't have games, that'd be odd if I didn't catch it. Would you mind quoting those "fair number of times"?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 259, Taly wrote:School is closed due to weather, I have actually slept for a night the past few days, and I’m in a better mentality for putting my thoughts across.
– I think this is her overall behavior and meta, but her abrasiveness and confidence in her arguments is off-putting to me. Especially with her arguments towards Aquanim and others she’s jumped on, it doesn’t have a lot of substance. I’m impressed she seems to know quite a bit about “cognitive dissonance,” pressure, and other things she said she has applied in this game. She can be a rough townie, or a competent scum. So far, I haven’t seen much I can trust and my gut tells me she can manipulate others. Even though her scumhunting may be town-motivated, I just haven’t seen something I liked yet.RadiantCowbellsReading: Slight Lean Scum
Question:Can you elaborate on your case on Aquanim?And supposedly the other 3 people you've seem to think were good lynches this early in D1?
I can see where this comes from, either way. I don't think it should make a scumread, but this I can see coming from either side.
– I do believe Tool has made some good points in assessing how I’ve come across to others, and his idea of putting up a scum case towards me seems a little incoherent. I wouldn’t say he has put up a strong case with me, but from what I’ve seen of Tool in his interactions to others, he seems to be a stronger player in how he words himself. I haven’t seen enough to tell alignment, but my reading on him so far would be:ToolendusoNeutral
Question:Tool, what are your opinions on the most prominent posters so far?
filler.
suppose taly is scum, this is buddying. Otherwise, can't call this as much filler as toolen, but.– The only thing I’ve defended with odd over was the possibility that the wagon against him wasn’t credible. He already justified he had a bad day, and only one post of frustration can come from either a town or scum. That said, it really rubbed me the wrong way when he talked about the possibility of Aquanim and I being a scum team, especially when we were the ones trying to keep a detracting wagon from forming.oddmusicWhere did that come from?I have done very little to buddy with Aquanim other than stating my opinion that I think his patience and approach to this game is a lot easier and more efficient to deal with than most other peoples’ reactions so far. (I’m not one to talk, but those are my thoughts.) I am unsure of him. I think odd is trying to find credible and justified reasons to appear safe, which I can see from both alignments with a wagon on them.Reading: Neutral
Question:Do you think the wagon against you is justified? If not, who do you think is worth a push for scumreading?
lets see how to put this. I mean, the big part of this post is about defending taly, first his defensiveness over oddmusic, then defending the accusation that came (which is fair, but I don't know if it should belong in a reads post). Only the last sentence is a "read", but then that doesn't go anywhere. The question is because taly feels he should ask people questions, just like with toolen. It isn't helpful.
Eh, you tell me. I guess I'm biased here.– My reactions to mykonian were a little off, I’ve understood that now. I guess I have a better view on his thinking, the small opinion posts he is dropping indicate that he wants to get reactions from others. (Wanting to drive responses through votes.) Which I think is necessary for getting information, even though I feel his suspicions are misplaced I have found some posts that I think are decent from him. I wish he posted more though.mykonianReading: Slight Town Lean
Question:After you have read this entire postwhat are your thoughts on me?
This is an odd one to make as town. Would you (as town) post about your worry that someone could be very smart scum right now? In lylo, sure. This is the first I could see as openly scummy, but then I have liked elyse's posting.– I have mixed thoughts about Elyse. Her getting us out of RVS and her assessing everyone for info and greater desire to find progress in questioning others seems very town-motivated. I think she’s one of the strongest players in here. But this also makes me worry because she could be a very smart scum, and in looking at her win ratio, she seems to be very good at either alignment. I also don’t see her readings on everyone particularly, and I say this to encourage some insight form her. Anyway my gut tells me she is town, I just hope that is and that her vote on me is realized to be misplaced. (Even though I’ve given her valid reason to vote due to sketchy play, that is all I can say but I hope my vibe gets across.)ElyseReading: Slight Town Lean
Question:What do you think about RadiantCowbells?
The second real read. This is fair.– I was skeptic due to the attention he seemed to have obtained earlier in this day, but at seeing his recent posts, I’m liking them. I appreciated him giving concise reads about everyone so far, and I took his read on me as encouragement from him to explain my reads to you guys. Which is good for keeping the town together and getting useful information instead of just wagons and reactions.MetalcyanideReading: Moderate Town Lean
Question:Since you basically just did a read, what do you think about the people who havenotresponded? Also, what do you think about my reads?
I mean, this is a continuation of the read on RC, but same as before, this is fair.– I think out of everyone in this game Aquanim has been the most revealing in his actions, reads, and analysis’. He is yet to jump on others with a vote(something I kind of failed to do), and openly admits that he doesn’t know enough of someone to have a read on them and I like that. RCs argument against him seems to be very fluffy and lacking real substance. I do have doubts about what are his readings on the most active people so far, but he seems genuine. This is subject to change, especially since this is early in the game but Reading:AquanimModerate Town Lean
Question:Do you have any specific opinions on me, so far?
filler.– I don’t know much about his reads, I do think he is genuine. He’s expressed at the very least polite opinions in and outside of game speak on the thread. I think being genuine is a good town trait, it gives others deeper insight to your emotions and thought processes. Other than this, I think the thoughts he has put on about peoples posts are so far useful in contributing to a case on someone. Reading:InsidiousLemonsModerate Town Lean
Question:Do you think posts coming from newer players are more likely to be defensive?Especially in games like these where there is a lot more activity going on.
I think all of the questions are forced, just there because taly feels he should be asking questions. I don't think any of them could result in an answer that could get things going or expose something. I think only 3 of the reads in this list have any basis, of which 2 are connected. I think one of the reads posts is scummy. This post could have been two lines. "I don't like the way rc makes a case on aquanim, who has been very open and honest about his reads, or when he doesn't have them, which I like too. I have been liking metal cyanide in the recent posts as well. vote: RC". And those two sentences wouldn't have any of the forced commitment to the game feeling that this list post gave.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 403, Aquanim wrote:EBWOP: Do you also read InsidiousLemons' list post (in #292) as scummya priori?
yes.
Also pisskops pbpa, though you could see that as a catchup post if you feel like it. I wouldn't put it as harshly as the dude did, but that did further confirm that the dude is likely town.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 408, Aquanim wrote:With regard to the thing around 176 with Taly voting and then unvoting Mykonian, I'm not sure that I'd describe it as "Taly unvoting Mykonian under pressure from Elyse" any more than "Taly got what he wanted from voting Mykonian and didn't get around to unvoting for a couple of posts".
Given that he's voting me now again, not the last. He didn't feel he could stick his vote there then. Because between the unvote and the recent revote by taly, I did very little.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 407, Aquanim wrote:I don't think it's especially scummy though. I imagine if you go and read a town guide for newbies, one of the things it will say is "Ask people questions and try to get them talking about their reads". I suppose it'd be a while longer ago for you than for me, but I remember doing some pretty naive things in my first (and town) game.
I fondly remember my first game, I was scum. I replaced into a slot that had made a mess of it (yes, replacing in as a newbie wasn't allowed then either, but then, the listmod didn't really check and the mod of that game didn't really care and just needed a replacement, while I disliked waiting, so there I went. It was just d1 anyway). Anyway, the whole game I was under scruteny. I remember fondly how I made "cases" by simply going through someone's posts then naming everything I could find that was minorly scummy and got free towncred of it when the suspicion had been somewhat heavy recently again. And when people didn't know where I stood, I happily made a big awesome looking post with a read on every player with a short explanation. Life was good!
Till you come to the point that you see other people use such a shield of verbosity as well, and either they were law students, or scum (what's the difference? ). It's straight up the easiest way to win as scum, explainingeverythingyou do. It's also quite simply the first thing you come up with as newbie scum. Either you panic and shut down, or you plan to "look town" and make sure you are "open and honest" about everything.
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In post 421, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 401, mykonian wrote:either way, to get back on track then, I'd take pbpe's or lists of reads esspecially early in the game as scummy then, having no contrary evidence that a player (taly in this case) just likes to do those.
I think coming under pressure and giving out a reads list comes from a townie part of the brain.
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In post 453, pisskop wrote:In post 452, mykonian wrote:It means that your last set of posts are more there for aqua than they are there for the game. It's not particulary relevant otherwise.
Is that coaching?
It's feigned polite annoyance.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 491, Taly wrote:Preview edit- Mykonian, don't start feeling yourself. I haven't been mislynched yet.
Oh dear, but not everything I post this game is about you <3.
In post 467, Elyse wrote:And then Taly insists he's being genuine. And he softclaims. Softclaiming is a pet peeve of mine and I hate it so so much. It's also a scumtell. A newbtown like Taly would be more likely to blurt out his entire role as a last minute defense. Instead, he's holding his cards close to his chest and leaving an option to claim whatever he wants, but also claiming PR to make people scared of lynching him. He clearly thought about using it as a defense rather than it being a gut reaction. He's scum.
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In post 514, toolenduso wrote:It's true though, you should get a claim before shooting.
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In post 547, RadiantCowbells wrote:Just because I scumread someone doesn't mean I want them dayvigged out of nowhere without a claim.
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In post 552, TheDudeAbides wrote:I mean it's not too hard to keep things people are saying straight that compiling rests is necessary.
exactly
Which is why there's a different reason to make them day 1. Either you just like to, or it's your crutch to get yourself talking about the game. IE, it's a habit or it's a scumtell.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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you don't get it. I think you are scum, you think I'm scum, that makes whatever discussion we are going to have rather obvious and frankly boring.
Elyse makes sensible posts, tool makes posts that I agree with, but not many. They fall squarily in the part of the town that could be buddying me, and since buddying is a thing it works, which makes people you like dangerous. You aren't going to consider them fairly, like I would with you, lemons, RC, etc.
Or in other words, they are people to have conversations with about reads. Either you find things or you find out something about your conversation partner.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 584, toolenduso wrote:I'm here right now, mykonian.
I'm sorry, with the previous posts my eyes had already been closing. It had been well past midnight I didn't even see this.
In post 587, Taly wrote:I also don't get why you believe Lemons is dangerous, he's on the wagon voting against me as well.
That's because you aren't reading my posts, you are just taking the game as how people are responding to you. But the game isn't about you
Also, from experience, even considering a mafia dayvig is insane. You could stretch it to an SK but in a mini that's even seriously awkward. Piss is town or we'll find quick enough that he isn't. It's a waste of time to talk about it.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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odd and piss
So you have to get into bends to connect "new player" to survivalism. Is omgusing elyse and me also just taly being new and panicking and trying to stay alive? Have you seen the amount of words he spends in effect about talking about things that concern himself?In post 557, mykonian wrote:In post 552, TheDudeAbides wrote:I mean it's not too hard to keep things people are saying straight that compiling rests is necessary.
exactly
Which is why there's a different reason to make them day 1. Either you just like to, or it's your crutch to get yourself talking about the game. IE, it's a habit or it's a scumtell.
I don't either thing is happening here. I think Taly thought she was getting lynched and got her thoughts down. If you're a new player, you're town, and you don't want to get lynched, giving your thoughts is something that you will try. So is soft-claiming a pr. I'm reading Tally as panicking town, trying to avoid being lynched.
Is it perhaps that he's scum, who don't want to die, who's primary focus is nototherpeople, it's themselves.
And that works regardless of wether they are new or not.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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hmm. Well, it's probably sensible to do this specifically.
I'm vague in my wordings, that's half laziness, that's half seeing who's thinking along similar lines. Twice now Taly has assumed something was about him when that didn't make any sense. Last example is when I comment on the daykill (that's two meh reads gone or something like that). Taly takes that as meaning him, while I was thinking about the shooter (since dayvigs are likely town) and the shot player. It's just a mindset, the expectation that I should be talking about him.
Another thing is his explanation who should be dangerous to me. His view of lemon as clearly on my side is only because lemon is voting him. It doesn't enter his thoughts that someone might be worried about people buddying. He's just looking at who votes him and who doesn't.
It's just the entire mindset. Not just defensiveness, but a selfcentered look at the game.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 632, eektor wrote:So are you saying because Taly's point of view is very seflcentered, that makes him scum?
yes, that's a general theory thing. Town would be more preoccupied with finding out about others, scum about protecting their place in the game.
And the posts on the last couple of pages are hardly the first time you can notice this, take for example his unvote of you somewhere on page 3.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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I mean, I don't mind where this is going, but we all know he's just bad town after all.
cyanide goes in the pile of people I don't think are playing well, but I don't see as actively scummy. One of the reasons we see so many awkward posts from cyanide is because he makes a lot of them.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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