Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

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I CLAIM BEST FRIENDS WITH DRAGONSPAWN!

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VOTE: Mario

For bailing on me as my scum partner in the last Pokemon theme game.

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FoS: Wackpecker

I actually like my RVS vote on Mario, and not only because I may hold a bias grudge. His few posts already seemed to come from his scum thought process from last game. Pointless fluff, targeting an easy target. He'll probably attempt an obvious bus soon, but not follow through with it at all.

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VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
Scum found.

And how do you know this?

His vote was deliberately not random.

And that makes him scum because...?

Think about it. Random voting is done to elicit some reactions and voting is done based on what reactions seem dishonest. GrayFoxxxx's vote was the opposite. He votes in a way that says "hey, don't be upset, I'm just random voting because I have to. Don't take it personally, the choice is out of my hands."

He's not looking to generate a reaction. He's looking to avoid one.

Therefore scum.

I actually really like this.

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I don't really feel the need to explain why I liked a post? It's pretty self-explanatory if you read his post.

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I don't really feel the need to explain why I liked a post? It's pretty self-explanatory if you read his post.

When its not even accurate, yeah you sort of do

eh, it's accurate. I don't care enough to explain it, to be honest. it was just one post. Usually when someone just says "I like this post", it means they agree with what was said. Have some common sense.

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Explain how it's inaccurate. I agree, and it's exactly what happened. There's no denying that is what happened. At all. It doesn't make Gray scum, but it is what happened.

VOTE: Wackpecker

Literally arguing for the sake of arguing, fluff everywhere. This is ScumPecker.

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You have absolutely no reason to argue such a pointless remark. You are trying to act like you are doing something.

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Woody.

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You missed my post obviously cause I pointed out he wasn't the only one, I don't even think he was the first to vote without a random reason so why is he scum and not the others?

I didn't count this because you obviously didn't put much thought into it.

"I don't think". You are taking things out of context, and trying to look for things that really don't mean anything. Fluffy to the max.

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again, none of your stuff means anything pecker. Nothing. At all. It's you creating fluff. Every one of your posts. You are doing absolutely nothing besides acting like you are doing something.

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Eh, I didn't misrep at all. I know exactly what you're trying to get people to think that you are doing. It's just irrelevant and pointless, which makes it fluffy. i didn't really say what you were talking about, I was just saying how your posts were coming off.

But way to misrep what I'm doing.

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*yawn*

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You done yet?

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Khan's like the towniest guy besides me.

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Not really. I do tons of random pointless stuff as town with no real explanation. I feel scum is more likely to fabricate reasons for their actions than town is.

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I feel as if the recent action in this thread is consistent with a scum derailment of conversations about Mario and Foxxx that were actually going somewhere. It's hard to keep track now of exactly where we are in either of those conversations. Mario, don't think you can get away with not answering post 81 after all this nonsense. I won't be posting tomorrow, jsyk guys.

I mean, I am scum reading Mario. I was first one voting him technically, haha.

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I'm hurt boon

i said like the towniest guy, which is you, of course. Haha.

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Like the towniest guy besides me. the towniest guy besides me is obviously Dragonspawn, duh!!!! And Khan is just like you. Town.

Deductive reasoning confirmed.

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Can we lynch Mario? Wackpecker has town'd it up a little.

Unvote

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Mario is playing exactly the same as my scum game with him last game. He doesn't respond to like anything. Comes in, posts one thing, completely changes direction of game and expects people to just believe him.

VOTE: Mario

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Oh, haha, good vote, Bulb.

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Was he scum? We're both seeing his ScumMeta come out here if so.

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When I was scum with him, he would always stop focusing the main target, and then try to switch people onto either a buddy or some random town that wasn't the main wagon actually.

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I'd like to see how Mario reacts before ending the day anyways. Although I am fond of quick Day 1's, to be honest. My scumhunting abilities are best when I can deal with flips.

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[url]http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62073[/url

It was a theme game, so the rules were different. Game was abandoned, but Mario slipped up really bad mid game. Shows his kind of scum play I guess. Also, in the scum thread, he constantly talked about 'slipping' so teammates could bus him. And he constantly wanted to bus people.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62073

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I have played with Mario in marathon before. It may be a different deal than here, but I also read some of his newbie games.

And?

That statement is missing its conclusion.

It does speak for itself, tbh. =/ Feels like you were just looking to play Devil's Advocate here.

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@Impolsion - you won't see more of him. He posts once and leaves. He doesn't read the thread thoroughly.

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we posted it at the exact same time. Like literally...check the time stamps. I see the PEdit thing, but I really didn't care enough to change anything.

Also, as I've posted, he won't even really read the thread. It really doesn't matter. He's super frustrating to be scum with, as you can check the private thread of the game we were scum together with.

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I'm not liking pisskops unvote either. It has me wondering.

One thing in having issues with on the Mario push is no one other than Mario is really pushing back. That always concerns me.

He's probably scum and his buddies just don't want to get associated with him. When I was scum with him, I was super nervous about trying to bus him because I felt he'd out the both of us.

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Granted, I don't know Mario's town game.

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It's Day fucking 1? Where else do you want me to put my fucking vote?

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@Grayfoxxx - it's day fucking 1, why are you trying so hard to derail the Mario votes? For the most part, it's just pressure, no one is actually going to lynch him yet. You are completely going against a town win con by trying to stop a wagon pointlessly. IT'S FUCKING PAGE 9! Let a wagon form and see how he reacts to the pressure and how others react to him.

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Mario is playing exactly the same as my scum game with him last game. He doesn't respond to like anything. Comes in, posts one thing, completely changes direction of game and expects people to just believe him.

VOTE: Mario

That's saying alot for just seeing 9 posts. Your whole case on him is kind of an over generalization.

I mean, 9 posts on page 9 is fine...that's plenty.

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FoS: Grayfoxxxx

The devil's advocate play is weird, and something feels off.

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No, i'm meta'ing him off of the lack of him posting much.

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God damn, you take this way too seriously. It's page fucking 9.

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Reads will change, and things will come out. No one is saying they are dead certain he is scum, chill Foxxy...just let some pressure on. You are pointlessly defending.

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Also, there are around 4 other people withing 4 posts of him, so the amount of his posts shouldn't even be considered really.

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Regardless of meta, he's still the scummiest player to me.

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You seem like you are just looking for town cred, rather than scum hunting.

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Nobody should be certain of their reads this early in the game. Nobody should be at the point where a strong town read can't flip to a scum read with some investigating. I have said this many times in games before...

For instance, I know my Day 1 reads will be way different than my Day 3 reads. I'm willing to accept the idea of some of my town reads turning scum, and my biggest scum read potentially becoming my biggest town read. I really hate when people LOCK in someone into a certain alignment with nothing other than gut and refuse to change their thought process on it. ESPECIALLY....on Day 1.

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You seem like you are just looking for town cred, rather than scum hunting.

You seem like youre mad.

I'm just passionate.

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I get that you don't scum read Mario, but are you town reading him?

Also, who are your scum reads even?

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Help me see things from your perspective.

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I now seem to have contradicting scum reads. Oi.

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Why the scum reads on bulb? He seems null to me right now.

I'm null to lean town on Bulb. Granted, he voted Mario with similar reasonings to mine. I haven't paid much attention to him. I don't get why people would think that Bulb is scummier than say, me. We kind of did the exact same thing.

Anywho, hate to say it, but this is exactly what Mario did last game. He got under a lot of pressure, and was forced to be replaced.

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Why khan. Hes town imo....

Also, @Dragon - I think this as well, so I can see Bulb being town for now. I really don't care enough to look into him right now or even toDay.

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Why khan. Hes town imo....

Khan's been so focused on RVs that 8 pages in he was still on about it. Its an excuse not to provide other content, and could use votes.

I disagree with this. He was being forced to focus on that because of Pecker and everyone (including me) constantly using one of his posts as an example.

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I didnt think Id have to say ~reasons~ in a game before . . .

mario is town because pokemon mafias. And post syntax. Shazam is scummy because its a bunch of posturing.

HOW IS HE TOWN BECAUSE OF POKEMON MAFIA!!! WTF. You replaced in late to that game, but I don't see how you don't see it. I was his scum partner that game. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME PLAY FROM HIM. Even him being replaced is the same...except last time, it forced the game to be abandoned.

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Also, Dom's just doing the best he can replacing into a scum slot.

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Posting, yet not bringing up the wagon that is on him.

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FoS: Pisskop

Same reasoning I gave to Grayfoxxxx.....

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@Pisskop - Just look at Dominator 3:16...he's literally just looking for reasons to find scum in people.

@Dom - I might be a little biased towards you because of Mario being in that slot.

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Eh, Wackpecker and I have an on-going grudge, and when am I not active at times? I have giant activity bursts; you should know this. Sometimes I lurk and do nothing, other times I post nonstop. I've done so as both alignments.

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@Pisskop - I guess for you, you are just hardcore defending the slot. Grayfoxxxx was more advocatey.

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He's NewbScum. This is exactly how he played in Pokemon Mafia...

@Dom - He abandoned me as scum last game; I was pretty much looking for a reason to tunnel him. I do believe the slot is scum, though. =/ I do like your last post, though, and in hindsight, your whole catching up is looking fine when you group it together.

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Can we lynch Mario? Wackpecker has town'd it up a little.

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VOTE: mario
I think you should stop blabbering abour rvs. Mario seems a bit iffy. He defends people for basically pointless reasons.

Mario is playing exactly the same as my scum game with him last game. He doesn't respond to like anything. Comes in, posts one thing, completely changes direction of game and expects people to just believe him.

VOTE: Mario

these two votes were awful fast boon seemed pretty eager there. But then again I can kinda see where he is coming from. My predecessor did not play well at all

I was voting Mario before I was voting Pecker.

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It is basically a vote on a slot that I find the scummiest. Why dont you like my vote? I find hes trying to act logical like last game in the marathon. As town, I usually see him acting more funnier and sarcastic. In games I read where he was town.

you don't have to remind us that you are town. That is normally something anti town players do

No, i'm meta'ing him off of the lack of him posting much.

meta off of activity is poor meta.

this is just frantically defending. =/

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VOTE: shazam

-.-

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The Bulbazoor and FA_Q2 wagons are bad. Neither of them has said enough with actual content to demonstrate that they are scum. Note that I'm not saying I read them as town, just that people should stop voting for them and focus on someone they can make a good case for.

quoting for later in the game analysis.

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Meh. Methinks I'm missing something on the Shazam case. I'm scum reading impolsion over shazam, and my other scum read, Dom/Mario, is voting Shazam. I don't know how I feel about this yet.

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FA usually is readable; he's not a Day 1 lynch.

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Hmm, that's odd. I don't even find your playstyle inherently scummy either. I mean, you usually get to late game from what I can remember, don't you?

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Town to Scum

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dragonspawn
Kublai Khan
FA_Q2

Shazam
WoodyWoodpecker

StubbsKVM
Necessary Evil
Bulbazoor

pisskop

GrayFoxxxx

implosion

MarioManiac4/Dom

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Keep in mind, there are two shades of Blue and two shades of red in there.

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Can we lynch Mario? Wackpecker has town'd it up a little.

Unvote

here's the explaining woodpecker town read, where it's been obvious.

And honestly, just look at my ISO...come on man. I honestly didn't even have to make this list and people could probably figure out where all my reads on everyone were...

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Also, don't reply saying that isn't explaining the town read...Look up what happened of Wackpecker right before I said it, and that is plenty of explanation. I seriously hate those kind of pointless questions when the answer is VERY obvious.

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My scum team rn is shazam and implosion

Bus a buddy[Implosion]; vote a townie[Shazam]. CLASSIC.

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nah, that was just the counter argument, and I didn't feel like arguing it because it was stupid. All his posts are exactly like they were with ScumMario; he got wagon'd and he avoided the site, forcing to replace. This is EXACTLY what happened last game. And then, as soon as it was abandoned, he instantly signs up for this game.

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Lemme get this straight you guys wanted to lynch Mario because of activity meta and not answering questions? If that is the case you should give me a blank slate

PEdit: if you want me to vote implosion I'd be happy to

vote implosion, and I'll probably join the wagon eventually.

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Well, technically he 'didn't ask to be replaced'. I was given a 3 game limit for 3 months doing a similar thing when I was new. I no longer will replace out of games because of it. But yeah, I feel he's just a new guy rolling scum a lot, and not knowing how to handle the pressure so he just quits.

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Lemme get this straight you guys wanted to lynch Mario because of activity meta and not answering questions? If that is the case you should give me a blank slate

PEdit: if you want me to vote implosion I'd be happy to

No, actually.

There were clear reasons given by myself and shizam for the scum read. Those have not gone away IMHO. At this time there is better though (hence my vote's location).

He's just flail defending his predecessor.

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Shazam seem like a good lynch?
If not who?
don't say me

This is trying way too hard to 'fit in'.

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My scum team is shazam and implosion. Not sure about the third
Possibly NE or Boon

Why am I only possibly? I feel from your position, if you were town, I should be your number 1 suspect.

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Feels like your trying to set up a vote on some people in case wagons form while also straying away from being too OMGUS'y.

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^ @dom.

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Your push on mario/Diego also looks bad.

The mario slot push is the best push here. It's the only ACTUAL case. Bar maybe the implosion one.

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Also just cause somebody has a case, doesn't mean it's right. I can make a case on anyone if I put my mind to it

Except it is right. mario's fucking scum. You have no actual reason to say it's a bad case unless you KNOW he is not scum, or maybe even a buddy of yours. You have some hidden info, Woody? It's appearing more and more so.

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Honestly, the people on the Mario wagon are tunneling less than the people who aren't. I'm considering other options besides Mario, where as you people are flat out against voting Mario, and only giving ONE other option. I've named multiple. I've also named some town reads of mine, while sharing who I can't figure out. The push AGAINST Mario is far worse than the push for Mario.

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Also just cause somebody has a case, doesn't mean it's right. I can make a case on anyone if I put my mind to it

Except it is right. mario's fucking scum. You have no actual reason to say it's a bad case unless you KNOW he is not scum, or maybe even a buddy of yours. You have some hidden info, Woody? It's appearing more and more so.

This is also just stupid. No one is obligated to believe your case. By your logic you should sheep me on to necessary evil because you don't KNOW he isn't scum.

It's not MY fucking case. Don't fucking say 'your case'. I haven't once faught your fucking NE case? At all. I'm not defending it either. Wanna know why? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK HE IS. This is completely proving exactly what I just said, so thanks for being the most ignorant idiot ever and accidentally proving my point.

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I think your NE case is fine. I don't think the mario case should be immune to criticism, just not defended to hell. Like god damn. be open fucking minded, people.

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My biggest scum tell from Mario is the reaction it's getting from the rest of the players...like god damn.

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Which is another reason I'd like mario slot lynched. Even if he somehow flipped town reads would be shooting out of the wazoo. I really don't care at all about Day 1's, and I feel 20-30 pages is enough discussion for Day 1. It's just WIFOM central past that.

Shazam or Mario should definitely be the lynch toDay, as they have garnered the most reactions, and will help with reads after flips. NE isn't a Day 1 lynch here, as it won't provide ample information. Shazam/Mario slot will provide ample info, along with good chances of being scum. I don't necessarily find Shazam scummy, so of course, I'm going to stick with my Mario case.

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I think your NE case is fine. I don't think the mario case should be immune to criticism, just not defended to hell. Like god damn. be open fucking minded, people.

the people speaking out about the case trying to get people to focus elsewhere, at least for a little bit, ARE the ones being open minded...

No, people on the Mario wagon are the ones focusing elsewhere. I have stated 3 scumreads. You aren't even fucking reading the thread, LLL.

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I'm not scum reading Shazam, bro. Thanks for proving you aren't reading the thread.

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Town to Scum

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dragonspawn
Kublai Khan
FA_Q2

Shazam
WoodyWoodpecker

StubbsKVM
Necessary Evil
Bulbazoor

pisskop

GrayFoxxxx

implosion

MarioManiac4/Dom

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I'm going to now put Wackpecker in the same section as Pisskop. He's scumming it up again.

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I feel I'm pretty forward with everything I am saying...

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I'm flat out against this Shazam lynch now. I wouldn't have defended it before, but this is a counterwagon.

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Uhm...you quoted my reasoning...?

Also, you had no reason to flat out be against a Mario lynch at the time. Exactly how I had no reason to be against a Shazam lynch until now.

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Boon is being confusing.

Boon is the one you're confused by? Really? There are at least two other players more confusing: Bulb and Woody.

Bulb and woody are making sense. Why would they be confusing?

You get that Bulb was full on one of the head people against the mario slot, right?

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You know what...

VOTE: Wackpecker

The constant misrepping and awkward takes on situations is off, along with contradicting himself, like with the Bulb comment.

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This post is just to let you know that I'm not going to be responding to any of what you say here, because none of it is worth responding to. You don't understand how debate works, and I don't feel like educating you.

1. Real mature

2. I was actually debating you, I know better than anyone how to debate somebody

3. In my experience people hide tail and run like you just did are scum.

vote: shazam

I actually feel you are misusing the term of debate? It 'technically' makes sense, but not in the context I feel you were trying to make, so I don't get this post.

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Uhm...you quoted my reasoning...?

Also, you had no reason to flat out be against a Mario lynch at the time. Exactly how I had no reason to be against a Shazam lynch until now.

Yes I did, the case was based on crap. He was being accused of telling people what to do which wasn't the and also that he wanted to focus on more than 1 person which is smart play. I've seen nothing else he's said or done that shows to me he's scum

So you are saying pro-town play is to focus one person only? You are contradicting what you had said earlier...

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It's smart play for both alignments; I don't get your case.

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To say you think he should be lynched and than say you aren't scum reading him doesn't add up. If the only other reason is cause its an information Lynch, that also doesnt make sense from a town pov

P.edit - I don't think I am.

Which is another reason I'd like mario slot lynched. Even if he somehow flipped town reads would be shooting out of the wazoo. I really don't care at all about Day 1's, and I feel 20-30 pages is enough discussion for Day 1. It's just WIFOM central past that.

Shazam or Mario should definitely be the lynch toDay, as they have garnered the most reactions, and will help with reads after flips. NE isn't a Day 1 lynch here, as it won't provide ample information. Shazam/Mario slot will provide ample info, along with good chances of being scum.

I don't necessarily find Shazam scummy, so of course, I'm going to stick with my Mario case.

Seriously, CAN YOU PLEASE READ?!? I flat out said in the same post I was going to stick with lynching the Mario slot. Day 1 is all about information, and I've hammered my #1 town read in game before as town specifically because I knew it would help me catch scum. Luckily, my #1 town read ended up being scum...so...yeah. You straight up want whoever will give the most information from a Day 1 lynch. Somebody slips on Page 2. Great. You are officially getting no information that day, and you will basically start Day 2 as a second Day 1 (minus potential night actions), but with a scum handicap, which isn't bad, but there are better things to do...like lynch the scummiest player who will gives LOADS of information and actually allows us to catch MORE scum.

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I feel like boon might be flip flopping on shazam town just to spite ww.

Agree with this. I didn't lie or misrep his posts. Boon absolutely said he thought he should be considered for a Lynch today which means he was scum reading on him on some level.

Sigh...hopeless...ignorant...little birdie.

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Seriously, CAN YOU PLEASE READ?!? I

Oh I read. My post 485 still applies. The fact you even tossed his name in the Lynch pool means you are scum reading him on some level.

If you say you aren't than you are saying you don't really care who we Lynch as long as we Lynch somebody. Cause you don't "information" Lynch a town read...

Again, it doesn't. I've hammered my top town reads as town before.

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Again, it doesn't. I've hammered my top town reads as town before.

So you are a VI? Got it

No...I am THE village idiot. Get it right. It used to be in my sig. People hated it because I was a VI who was able to catch them as scum. I will do anything if it means I will figure out the scum.

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I take pride for it. People in scum threads go "Careful of Boon; he's not as dumb as he wants you to believe."

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Now I am at the point where I literally do whatever the hell I want. But I will always play to win. Regardless of what anyone else thinks when I am town, if I think it'll help town win, I'll do it.

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I GET NIGHT KILLED NIGHT 1 SOMETIMES IN LARGE NORMALS. Word. That's the dream.

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I GET NIGHT KILLED NIGHT 1 SOMETIMES IN LARGE NORMALS. Word. That's the dream.

OK quick question. Is this something to take pride in? It's happened to me a couple of times.

Yeah, it's something to be proud of. If you are killed Night 1, it means Scum doesn't want you in the game, be it by framing you or they see you as a threat. This is usually without a lot of information, so it is usually based on just you as the player in the game. I don't see Night 1 kills framing usually as a thing, because nobody in their right mind as scum would kill someone who they are in a deep 1v1 with, as it just creates pointless WIFOM in favor of Town.

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At what point are you all going to realize that scum doesn't generally work that hard on Day 1?

one of the towniest people in this game. He isn't posting all to much, and yet, he still says this. No way he is scum. I like how people just 'forgot' they scum read Khan too.

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You know who I want to hear more from?

Mr. 6 posts Stubbs.

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Lynching town reads is playing against your win condition imo.

I disagree that this is always true.

This post by Woodpecker confirmed ScumPecker for me. Reasons I am not allowed to say.

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Basically, a town read lynch that will give information is MUCH better than a no lynch. It is NOT against your wincon unless you are going out of your way to lynch a townie. I seriously don't understand what you were trying to say with that. Why the hell would anyone go out of their way to lynch a town as town? You misrep literally anything and everything I say.

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Are you scum reading anyone?

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Town to Scum

Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Kublai Khan
FA_Q2

Shazam
WoodyWoodpecker

StubbsKVM
Necessary Evil
Bulbazoor

pisskop

GrayFoxxxx

implosion

MarioManiac4/Dom

Interesting...that's like exactly what I'm at. I feel it's obvious that Woody has come down to the bottom now, and is no longer right under Shazam.

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I'm going to continue to update this as I see fit.

Town to Scum

Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Kublai Khan

Shazam

FA_Q2
GrayFoxxxx
Necessary Evil
Bulbazoor

StubbsKVM
pisskop

implosion

WoodyWoodpecker
Dominator

Notes on biggest movements:

• Wackpecker has obviously moved scummier. I don't agree with a lot of what he is saying, and don't see the town motivation in how he is playing. I also don't enjoy how he keeps responding to me and misrepping A LOT, and only reading what he wants to read.

• Stubbs has moved down on my list due to inactivity really. He has 6 posts. 6. Day 1 is often a day where scum can easily lurk without being noticed, so I definitely want to see more of this.

• Grayfoxx has moved up, as I actually like how her posts feel lately, and it seems more genuine than before.

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Actually, I think this is going to be my new thing. Haha. I'll keep track of movement as well.

Color Key:

Town

Lean Town

Null-Town

Null-Scum

Lean Scum

Scum

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Wackpecker has obviously moved scummier. I don't agree with a lot of what he is saying,

You don't agree with the truth? I wonder why?

So you are saying it's the truth that mario slot is town? How you know? oh, that's right. scum. Makes sense.

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@Grayfoxxx - read my sig.

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But yeah, I feel he's just a new guy rolling scum a lot, and not knowing how to handle the pressure so he just quits.

@Wood - this is a big reason for me.

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Also, he votes Implosion, then scum reads people for voting Implosion, yet doesn't unvote, while saying people need to focus on multiple scum reads. He also brings up busing, something I KNOW Mario goes out of his way to do badly. It's a big reason Mario/Implosion are scum reads of mine.

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Meh, pressure isn't always votes Pecker. Stop being ignorant. Also, he never voted Dragon, so why are you lying?

And anyways, this is why Woodpecker is scum.

"Looking at VC mario never had more than 2 votes on him..."

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[01] Bulbazoor
[02] dragonspawn
[03] GrayFoxxxx
[04] FA_Q2
[05] implosion
[06] Boonskiies
[07] Necessary Evil
[08] Shazam
[09] pisskop
[10] StubbsKVM
[11] MarioManiac4
[12] Kublai Khan
[13] WoodyWoodpecker

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WoodyWoodpecker's VLA is noted. Once official, I'll put this kind of info where everyone can see it, in the OP, and probably with vote counts.

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3 fucking votes there; immediately after on the same page Shazam and FA vote. He was at fucking L-2, idiot.

GOD FUCKING DAMN. I'm so fucking tired of Pecker blatantly spouting out wrong facts.

[Boonskiies]

And it is a fucking tell when I literally just fucking saw him do the exact fucking thing RIGHT BEFORE THIS FUCKING GAME STARTED.

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There's no fucking way you are this stupid. Like really, if you aren't scum, you are probably flat out THE WORST mafia player ever.

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I'll skip the vote count for now, as there's one only 4 posts above.. Mario is obviously at 5 now.

You seriously don't read this fucking thread at all. he's trying to fucking say the vote counts didn't take Mario past 2 votes, when the mod even fucking posted saying he had 5 on him. GOD FUCKING DAMN. I'm seriously done with Wackpecker.

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Meh, pressure isn't always votes Pecker. Stop being ignorant. Also, he never voted Dragon, so why are you lying?

And anyways, this is why Woodpecker is scum.

"Looking at VC mario never had more than 2 votes on him..."

1. I disagree, pressure is only generated by votes

2. ok my bad, he didn't actually vote dragon but he called out dragon for his vote. That is what I meant and it was me rebutting your "he was scum reading people for voting implosion" which I feel was a distortion of what actually happened

Wow, you're bad.

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Stop being stupid and I'll stop insulting.

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HE HAD 5 FUCKING VOTES.

Stop fucking misrepping. You are straight up lying at this point. Mario had fucking 5 votes on him in that game too.

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I didn't fucking insult you again. GOD FUCKING DAMM. Stop being so butthurt.

@Mod, can you please issue a warning because I am feeling insulted by Woody.

Explain your lying, Wackpecker. Because I just fucking proved I wasn't lying, and you are flat out OMGUS'ing.

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Your whole 'case' against me is fucking moot because you don't fucking know what you are talking about. You are fucking lying to everyone, and now you are fucking ignoring the fact that he had 5 votes on him, NOT 2.

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Because you post without fucking reading anything.

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And I'm not even fucking voting Mario's slot, so you completely are just pushing pointlessly against me now.

Stupid isn't an insult; it's a state of being.

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@Everyone - Seriously, can we lynch Wackpecker toDay, and go to Day 2? Do you see his case? He is voting on a case that proved to be false. How obviously scum can you be?

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Lol, I'm not going to be lynched. I'm super ObvTown this game. You are just fucking butthurt. You talk about needing a case to lynch someone, what's your case on me? Hmm?

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You have absolutely no case.

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Where did I fucking lie?

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At fucking all. I've fucking proved you fucking wrong on every fucking thing you've fucking said.

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You just are flat out refusing to bring it up.

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YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS FUCKING LYING THIS ENTIRE FUCKING GAME.

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also implosion seems very town to me so how you are even remotely scum reading them is beyond me.

You fucking realize he's one of the biggest wagons of the day, right? God fucking damn. Terrible.

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he rvs voted implosion and than voted dragon for what he felt was an opportunistic vote on implosion. That's very different than "he votes implosion and then scum reads people for voting implosion" don't you think?

so I decided to look at this pokemon game and this didn't happen like you say it did. SO I am wondering why you would lie about it?

Post 458 - mod posts that mario requests replacement, at this point in time he only has 1 vote on him
Post 501 - mod says that he cancels his request to replace out.
Post 843 - Mod says he is being replaced because he didn't pick up his prod, in this post there was a VC and mario had absolutely no votes on him.


so where was this pressure you speak of? He didn't replace out due to pressure, he was force replaced due to being inactive in the game.

looking at the VC, mario never had more than 2 votes on him so he was never under "a lot of pressue"

so why are you lying?

get it now?

I was never talking about this game. I was still talking about that game and how you purposely tried to mislead people in this game


so please explain why did you lie about mario?

4 fucking lies on one page alone by Woody.

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He is voting on a case that proved to be false.

it wasn't proved to be false. The only thing that was proved false was that I said he wasn't under pressure when he actually was.

you said, or at least implied he was forced replaced due to the pressure he was under. He was replaced because he went inactive in the game. So that is a lie from you and it's the basis of the "meta" reason you have this game.

Bottom line is you don't know the real reason why he got replaced, all you know is that he went inactive and got replaced because of that. Anything else is pure speculation


p.edit - This post shows where you lied

He was on the fucking site. He fucking /in'd for this fucking game. Also, he was fucking posting in our Mafia thread on occasion. STOP FUCKING ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING. God fucking damn.

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It isn't a fucking lie and I've fucking stated why so many times, but you are so fucking ignorant and don't fucking read the god damn thread.

HE FUCKING LURKS HIS FUCKING WAY TO BEING REPLACED AND THEN FUCKING JOINS A NEW GAME AFTER. I'VE FUCKING STATED THIS LIKE 4 FUCKING TIMES. READ THE GOD DAMN THREAD.

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nah, that was just the counter argument, and I didn't feel like arguing it because it was stupid. All his posts are exactly like they were with ScumMario; he got wagon'd and he avoided the site, forcing to replace. This is EXACTLY what happened last game. And then, as soon as it was abandoned, he instantly signs up for this game.

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Fucking mistakes from ignorant scum.

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I've fucking stated many times how when he gets pressure on him, he fucking avoids site. EVERY FUCKING TIME.

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Even if somehow that wasn't how it happened, it isn't a fucking lie because I fucking believe that is what is happening.

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So shut the fuck up. Seriously. You are more ignorant than RadiantCowbells. I actually like RC, though.

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Your whole 'case' on me is based on me 'lying'. Which was once again, proven didn't happen with 645.

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Ignorant isn't an insult. It's an adjective explaining a certain kind of person.

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anything questioning me or my intelligence is an insult.

If that's the case, then that's just you being an egotistical ass. (hypotheticals, so not an insult).

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You're whole gameplay this game has been: "I'm right; everyone else is wrong. I know everything, because I, WackMyWoodandPecker, am scum, so I know everything going on in this game. i'm going to push multiple people hoping they claim and I can rolefish. Derpy derp derp derp."

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WangPecker: "Oh yeah, and I have no actual cases on anyone...BUT EVERYONE SHOULD SHEEP ME. DERPA DERPA DERRRRRR."

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You named yourself fucking WoodPecker, what did you expect? WoodPecker alone....

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also, Woody.

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with an inapropro name, Pecker.

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WTF DO YOU WANT. Your fucking name is Pecker. God fucking damn. Oh, and you fucking pissed me off in games we've been in together, so yeah.

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You need to stop too.

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Meh, it's multiple games. Bulb was in a different game and had a similar meta argument. It's NOT a coincidence. Good, don't sign up for games I'm in anymore; I'll do the same. I only get pissed off in games if RC, and now you, are in the game. People like you do this on purpose to get a reaction like this, or else you wouldn't keep egging it on.

@Shazam - I think Bulbazor got legitimately confused to what was going on. I didn't really see it as scummy, but meh, I didn't pay attention to it much. But I think he forgot what his original comment was. I think he thought you scum read him, then you said you didn't, and he was trying to be a sass head.

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@Dom - I scum read the players who were pushing him, so it made me feel it was a scum-lead wagon.

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People like you do this on purpose to get a reaction like this, or else you wouldn't keep egging it on.

done what exactly? try to lynch my scum reads?

Meh, there it is again. You know exactly what the fuck you are doing.

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@Shazam - I don't see it as alignment indicative. I've done stuff like that as town. You get him to L-1, I'll hammer him. "Did someone say L-1?" is kind of my catchphrase around here. Day 1, if the game is past 25 pages, I'll hammer basically anyone that isn't in my lean town/town reads. Even then, sometimes I'll second guess my reads, and hammer. I like analyzing flips.

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NE has definitely moved down a bit on my list. I did like Implosion's case. And I always say scum usually has to fabricate reasons for voting someone more than town.

Also, what's wrong with chainsaw defence? I scum read people, I think that they'll target town? It's Day 1, what do you want from me?

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@Shazam - I don't see it as alignment indicative. I've done stuff like that as town. You get him to L-1, I'll hammer him. "Did someone say L-1?" is kind of my catchphrase around here. Day 1, if the game is past 25 pages, I'll hammer basically anyone that isn't in my lean town/town reads.

Even then, sometimes I'll second guess my reads, and hammer.

I like analyzing flips.

Can you please read...? It's not that hard. I stated that.

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Usually it's only with people who are hard to read. I did it to Thor once, which if you know him, is annoying to read. I also hardcore chainsaw defenced him that game...I just don't like Day 1's.

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you will also hammer top town reads as said previously by you. so basically you will hammer anyone

Some people think a mystical force forces me to do it. Others think I have an addiction problem to it. Many think I have a coded program telling me when someone gets to L-1 in a game.

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Except I don't ignore it? I guarantee after flips I will go back and check them out depending on what is needed...haha.

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I don't get the scum motivation in lying there really either, though.

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@ Woodpecker
Still waiting for your thoughts on this specific part of Bulb's play.

i'm confused. can you point me to the actual lie? reading your description doesn't really process well for some reason

This. I don't think I'm looking at what you want me to.

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I don't really feel he was talking to you about it either, though...it's weird. I don't understand why he would say he was talking to gray, though. It doesn't make sense.

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@FA - you realize I purposely change my gameplay and meta every game, right?

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Well, the last 10 pages of this thread were a waste of my life to read.

I do not like woody or boon at this point because f this exchange. I didn't like woody before either so he is near the top of my scum reads. Boon's meta is very off as he is usually VERY erratic and his reads day one are all over the place - a huge change from this game where they are solid and he is giving a lot more content than normal. I can see a scum boon.

Woodpecker has been arguing game theory and soft defending Mario the entire time without any real cases to be had anywhere. He attacks legitimate cases and misrepresents things that have been said (such as my vote on Mario that was a complete and total misrep in its entirety). I fond him the scummier of the two.

I don't think that he and boon can be scum together - that would be the worst scum team ever (particularly since the scum have day talk). A lynch here would also garner useful information (nailing a scum clears the other and gives insight on Mario)

VOTE: woodpecker

I actually really don't like this post, and not even because he's saying potential scum read on me, that's fine. It's how it was done. How are my reads this time not 'all over the place'. I have shazam near the top of my list, and I apparently have people I'm scum reading that nobody else really is. Because I put

effort

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A lot more content than normal, huh?
Freshwater - A game that you were in and I had over 350 posts, and was one of the top 3 posters. As town.

Masquerade I had an insane amount of setup spec as a VT. 500+ posts.

Delicious - From this post on i had an insane amount of pro town content, including completely catching and making fantastic cases against two scum who post-game were incredibly amazed and shocked that I had figured them out so fast.

I'm a fucking strong town player hidden behind my VI persona.

[Boonskiies]

Comment that proves it is recognized by people.

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Also, I'm really into tier lists lately, and I'm enjoying my color reads!!!

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Notes on biggest movements:

• The obvious movement here is FA going super far down; something just didn't sit right with me. Call it OMGUS or whatever, but I really didn't like it.

• Pisskop has moved up a little, as I don't really have any reason to scum read him. No real reason to town read him either. He just needs to get in the game more really.

• The NE slot has a case against it...yeah. I like Implosion's case, and I want to town read him. I just still see scum in it.

• Another shocking thing here is Dom has moved up. I actually like some of the things he's been coming out with, and really the only thing I see scummy in him was his predecessor. Hopefully this slot figures itself out because I'm going to be epic paranoid if it comes down to him late game, and I'm still alive.

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WILL ANYONE EVER UNDERSTAND WHAT BULB MEANT IN POST 536!

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I want to know how my town flip garners useful information

Apparently my flip confirms you as scum/town, and your flip confirms me as scum/town. Key word is apparently.

Oh yeah, btw.


VOTE: FA-Q2VOTE:

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VOTE: FA-Q2

this kind of vote too.

[Boonskiies]

I just realized I went erratic with my reads...LOL like he said I usually do as town.

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ALSO...my 773 just gave me an awesome idea for my next game I plan to Mod. It's going to be a large normal, and I should be /in'ing to mod soon. (I'm a much less annoying mod than I am a player.)

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erm....733^

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Gah. Implosion, staaahp...you are making me like you. Haha. Damn...

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That's fine. Easier if I don't have to worry about you yet.

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This is just bad. ^ he's just looking for reasons. Who's slot did he replace?

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Oh, he replaced Stubbs! LOL that makes a lot of sense actually. I brought attention to Stubbs. Call it somewhat OMGUS'y, but I can't be the only one thinking it's weird that the only 'odd' play Anarchy is seeing is my play, which I have explained multiple ways through. Also, he doesn't bring up any of the multiple other people who were on Mario's wagon. Woody, you just moved up on the color tier.

[Boonskiies]

I've even stated that I like Dom's play thus far. And he's not even a main suspect of mine anymore.

[Boonskiies]

Also a case because this is how he 'suspects I play as scum'. Why the fuck would I hard bus a Mario scum partner Day 1? Not even just Day 1, first 10 pages. That makes absolutely no sense.

[Boonskiies]

she*
seriously, girl avatar, "She" pronoun, how do you get that wrong

and I replaced Stubbs

read my sig.

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Meh, there are better lynches. A lot of the null inactive people have given enough input now to give info from their flips. Sheep my FA vote, Bulb. You too Dom. Anarchy, you can hop on as well.


PEdit: TY BULB, haha.

[Boonskiies]

@Anarcchy - Oh, you are on page 13...haha. Oops.

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obviously not as you felt the need to correct. Nah, I actually don't think I even used much self-meta this game. (which is a nice, because usually I do.)

I haven't had to. Most people are town reading me.

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Oh yeah...

@Dom - You Baaaa'd Implosions post when he voted FA. You are against that?

[Boonskiies]

@Anarcchy - I'm unsure where my inconsistency is...I feel this has been a game where I have stayed super consistent with my reads and not second guessing them like I usually do...in fact...let me quote something.

[Boonskiies]

Boon's meta is very off as he is usually VERY erratic and his reads day one are all over the place - a huge change from this game where they are solid and he is giving a lot more content than normal.

@Anarcchy - Right here; FA says the exact opposite of what you are implying my reads are, and that is why I am a semi scumspect for him, but apparently not as much as Pecker. It's a little offputting that you guys are contradicting each other with a scum read on me.

I'm kind of feeling an Anarcchy/FA scum team...would make a lot of sense as together they make up like none of the posts...going back to what Khan says, easy for scum to sit out Day 1.

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implosion isn't quite as towny as I had him at first due to the explanation of his play in 193. still a slight town lean, because I have consistently been having similar reads to him.

Also, this is kind of odd. Implosion and I have VERY similar reads. So for you to say this to him, yet push me on my reads is odd. Also, you said you are town reading NE, yet the NE slot was one of Implosion's BIGGEST scum reads. Along with him town reading me, and scum reading Bulb. This doesn't add up with anything you are trying to say, and it looks as if you are just making stuff up to fluff up the place.

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WAIT!!!!!!

YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT I WAS BUSING DOM YET YOU PUT HIM IN YOUR TOWN READ SLOT.

VOTE: Anarcchy

[Boonskiies]

My theory is that I was voting scum at one point or another, so said scum's partner [anarcchy] tried to take some suspicion off the team, and get rid of someone who would be pushing that slot.

Actually, this leads back to an Anarcchy/FA scum buddies again...hmm....

[Boonskiies]

Hmm...FA/Anarcchy/Dom scum team...?

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@Implosion - what are your thoughts on Anarcchy/Stubb slot? What do you make of him town reading you because you have 'similar reads', yet he is town reading your scum reads and scum reading your townish reads?

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WAIT!!!!!!

YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT I WAS BUSING DOM YET YOU PUT HIM IN YOUR TOWN READ SLOT.

VOTE: Anarcchy

This might be the first truly good, original, and interesting point Boon has made. I'd be up for lynching Annarchy, Dom, or Bulb at the moment. FA, I still don't buy as scum.

Haha...yeah...I suck Day 1's....I'm easy mislynch bait. I step it up later, though, I promise! Ask pisskop! I've played with him a lot, haha.

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Lol, I like how he totally ignored the Implosion thing.

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How are they similar? At all?

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I actually don't even know if you guys have even one of the same reads...