Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: 3dicerolling
FUCK EGYPT

[MarioManiac4]

Ice is town and will not be the lynch today.

[MarioManiac4]

One of the things I do remember from my town experience is that it's important to put down votes early because VCA are very useful later games. Even if the votes are just for pressure or something.

I didn't find VCA on the acronyms page of the wiki, could you clarify?

Why is it "from your town experience," specifically? Does your scum experience say something different?

VCA is Vote Count Analysis. It's when you get a bit into the game and you back and plug in who flipped what and see who was on what wagon.

Because as town I like to have people place there votes, so later I can come back and analyze it. If scum don't vote early you can't really pin them on any wagon, hence me encouraging you to vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1317
Guess who the scum was here, 3dicerolling?

[MarioManiac4]

One of the things I do remember from my town experience is that it's important to put down votes early because VCA are very useful later games. Even if the votes are just for pressure or something.

I didn't find VCA on the acronyms page of the wiki, could you clarify?

Why is it "from your town experience," specifically? Does your scum experience say something different?

VCA is Vote Count Analysis. It's when you get a bit into the game and you back and plug in who flipped what and see who was on what wagon.

Because as town I like to have people place there votes, so later I can come back and analyze it. If scum don't vote early you can't really pin them on any wagon, hence me encouraging you to vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1317
Guess who the scum was here, 3dicerolling?

I said it's something I like to do as town, scum do fake it sometimes though.

That wasn't the point! Luna Fox was a townie!
"the only thing i figured out from that was that diego's town."
And Diego was scum!

[MarioManiac4]

Won't votes that I'm not confident in muddy the waters for VCA? It's not going to be reflective of my true perspective if it's a vote I was arbitrarily pressured into making for VCA, is it?

QFT

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[MarioManiac4]

I already feel like fire's initial reaction is more town than scum, though I think twice I've seen someone dislike the second vote on me without explaining why. Could one of you expand on what specifically bugged you?

That may have been me twice. That vote is poorly supported and directly follows Fire's vote in a wagony, opportunistic manner.

Ice is town and will not be the lynch today.

Care to explain or?

They're sticking their head out way too much, in my opinion.

[in response to Ice]
Anyways, I don't know what to think of you, I guess you want to move us out of RVS?
Could be town, unsure.

UNVOTE: Iceninja

UNVOTE: MarioManiac4

VOTE: Firebringer

This smells fishy. I'm not sure I like the precedence of the unvote.

"Precedence of the unvote"? Could you clarify that?


I swear, every time Fire and Ice interact I feel like they're both scum.

[MarioManiac4]

Can we not quote without adding comments to it, because otherwise why in the hell are you bothering spamming the page?

I did add a comment?

[MarioManiac4]

Someone talk to me about Diego?

What specifically?

[MarioManiac4]

I am not the most sweetest person you can play with.

I can back this up.
@Syndesis; Diego's vote did seem awkward; I'm trying a more relaxed playstyle in this game, so will leave my vote unti there's more evidence than a vibe.

[MarioManiac4]

Neither time you've called me out have I done anything to look stupid or be stupid or even close to it.

I almost feel like you're intentionally trying to rile me up.

He usually does that as either alignment.

[MarioManiac4]

He usually does that as either alignment.

Personally I think I am less off a ass as Scum, but w/e.
Also, how many games have I played with you? You seem to know me a bit, but I don't know you that well.....

One or two.
I read Mafiascum quite a bit. Less stressful than playing.

[MarioManiac4]

How exactly is playing stressful?

LYLO, trying to catch scum, AtE.

[MarioManiac4]

Firebringer calls me town and votes me in the same post.

Firebringer did not call you town. He said your trying to look

like

town, completely different. You're trying to make Fire look like scum with this post, and that's not town motivated.

Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Again, this is not scumhunting, this is throwing WIFOM into an argument to make someone else look bad.

It is par for the course for me to have a number of votes on me this early due to my tendency to make excessively aggressive moves early on.

My wagon seems to be a good place to potentially look for scum as (at a quick recall, I'm on mobile atm and would be a pain to confirm) my wagon has the most activity so far.

This is LAMIST if I've ever seen it. Aggression is not alignment indicative. I'm voting you because of the

intent

behind your aggression, which is to throw shit at the wall a see what sticks. That is scum indicative.

I'm good with where my vote is right now.

This is Diego straight out of Open 609.
VOTE: Diego

[MarioManiac4]

Scumread on Mario, he's playing lazily.

VOTE: MarioManiac

Guilty as charged.
I can't get my head into this game and posted a bit.
BUT THEN I COMMITTED THE ULTIMATE SIN.
I...
WENT...
TO...
BED.

Catching up now.

[MarioManiac4]

Diego is my primary, and only, scumread.
Consider Scorpius ad 3dice as suspicious.
Everyone else can be town for now.

[MarioManiac4]

I want to set up a town block this game with fire being the only one i trust so far.

Why?
Forced townblocs always seem to come from scum who want to be in a townbloc.
VOTE: Garmr

@Syndesis; Scorp is gut. 3dice seems to be talking way too much for what little she's saying. Diego, at the end of Open 609, explained he used manipulation as scum. His vote looked like appealing to the crowd.

[MarioManiac4]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.
Fire's "it's sad people are pushing on a forced townbloc" sounds like a scumbuddy defence and I am happy enough with my vote.

[MarioManiac4]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

[MarioManiac4]

I was never a fan of MM4's Diego vote..Actually I'm not a fan of either of his non-RVS votes

Re: the vote on Diego.. Do you have anything on that slot other than a meta on a past game?

Re: the vote on Garmr..172 and 221. in 172 you read a few as scum and said everyone else is town. 221 you quoted one sentence from Garmr and voted him? What else other than that one sentence. Please tell us. I'd like to know your thought progression here..

A)- It's not meta. Try again.
B)- There's something called not really having any reads. I'm also pretty sure I said they can be town for now, not they're town forever?

[MarioManiac4]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.

No. I just sheeped BBT.
And honestly my reads in Flower Festival were just gut and I'm really surprised I didn't townread any scum.
I had no scumreads and was null on more than half of the players.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm liking Mario for scum more and more.

Man I'm starting to have WAY too many scum reads this game.

Congratulations!
You're wrong!

[MarioManiac4]

I forgot about this game.
I don't think anything has changed, though.
Probably will get to this tomorrow.

[MarioManiac4]

I think the main question here should be why the hell we need a townbloc in the first place.
Garmr tried to make a bloc with Fire, who is far from conftown, that early on, for reason (?)
Scum want to be in a townbloc, and will try and force a townbloc with scum in it.

[MarioManiac4]

I think the main question here should be why the hell we need a townbloc in the first place.
Garmr tried to make a bloc with Fire, who is far from conftown, that early on, for reason (?)
Scum want to be in a townbloc, and will try and force a townbloc with scum in it.

The answer is simple because I wanted to. The main question should be why are you trying to tear it down. Do you have a real reason to scum read me?

Why did you want to force a townbloc?
Uhh... I don't know why I might be "tearing it down"... is it because you tried to form a townbloc with a player with little to no evidence?
Is it because scum want to be part of a townbloc and will try and form one with their presence in?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Garmr

I approve of this product or service.

[MarioManiac4]

I really don't get the Davsto wagon.
Like, at all.

[MarioManiac4]

No, information is "There are people voting for Davsto. ICE made a case against him but I don't know how I feel about it".

Analysis is "I don't like this wagon", which is how I am interpreting Mario's post. Mario, please correct me if I am wrong, and that you are actually confused by the wagon as opposed to being against it.

I agree with this..

UNVOTE: mm4
VOTE: Archmage

And being wrong is scummy, exactly why?
I'm pretty sure you are looking for an excuse to join the TAL wagon.
VOTE: Scorpious

And yes, I'm saying I think Davsto is town as I can relate to his thought process, and do not understand the case on Davsto being Mafia-aligned.

[MarioManiac4]

Wait.
you guys lynched davsto?
really?

[MarioManiac4]

Wait.
you guys lynched davsto?
really?

So now you are saying you had a strong town read on him?

No I'm saying there were better options for the day.
I just noticed the deadline was in 2 days which does admittedly make the lynch the best option at the end.
We should've wagoned Scorpious though.

[MarioManiac4]

Last second speed wagons at the end of the day are always bad.

-Garmr, 2015, after leading the Davsto wagon

[MarioManiac4]

Last second speed wagons at the end of the day are always bad.

-Garmr, 2015, after leading the Davsto wagon

Dav wasn't a speed wagon in the last day.

If so where the fuck did that comment come from?

[MarioManiac4]

Misclicked but I did prove you wrong. Your case was really shit and if your town which I doubt you would just hold us other townies back.

Detail exactly where Davsto was proved wrong.

[MarioManiac4]

So I hunted with my buddy after they were hammered, and me and Scorp crossbussed?
No.
It makes far more sense that scum bussed their goon, and is now having the town sheep them because, "My reads are good, I caught scum, lynch TownX."

[MarioManiac4]

Lets look at mario's interaction with dave

Won't votes that I'm not confident in muddy the waters for VCA? It's not going to be reflective of my true perspective if it's a vote I was arbitrarily pressured into making for VCA, is it?

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A useless interaction.

And why is this scummy at all?

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.
Fire's "it's sad people are pushing on a forced townbloc" sounds like a scumbuddy defence and I am happy enough with my vote.

says he can't read dave here and says he will look elsewhere meaning he doesn't even want to bother looking at dave or raise suspicion on the slot.

No. I didn't want to raise suspicion on a slot I didn't think I could read.

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

Scum patting each other on the back.

LOL. Why the actual fuck is this scum/scum rather than a fucking conversation between users?

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.

No. I just sheeped BBT.
And honestly my reads in Flower Festival were just gut and I'm really surprised I didn't townread any scum.
I had no scumreads and was null on more than half of the players.

jesus scum buddies are so obvious here and yet they continue this.

No.

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.

No. I just sheeped BBT.
And honestly my reads in Flower Festival were just gut and I'm really surprised I didn't townread any scum.
I had no scumreads and was null on more than half of the players.

another useless interaction

And why the fuck is this scummy?

I really don't get the Davsto wagon.
Like, at all.

Trying to dismantle the wagon

Yes. I tried to dismantle a wagon I thought was on town.

No, information is "There are people voting for Davsto. ICE made a case against him but I don't know how I feel about it".

Analysis is "I don't like this wagon", which is how I am interpreting Mario's post. Mario, please correct me if I am wrong, and that you are actually confused by the wagon as opposed to being against it.

I agree with this..

UNVOTE: mm4
VOTE: Archmage

And being wrong is scummy, exactly why?
I'm pretty sure you are looking for an excuse to join the TAL wagon.
VOTE: Scorpious

And yes, I'm saying I think Davsto is town as I can relate to his thought process, and do not understand the case on Davsto being Mafia-aligned.

says he thinks daves town which contradicts the earlier statement of not looking into dave or being able to read him. You would think a townie would be more cautious of a person they can't read. But he feels kinda forced to say he has a town read on dave here.

I had Davsto as town based on the push on him, not so much Davsto himself?

Wait.
you guys lynched davsto?
really?

this seems genuine not because he believes dave is town but because his pissed that his scum buddy got lynched.

But I did believe Dave was town though?

can't be bothered witht he rest of the shit after the day becuase It just seems like frustrated scum.

No points to back this up. "Oh, he was fustrated scum, lynch.

VOTE: Mario

That was from the interactions with dave alone I have other reasons.

[MarioManiac4]

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A Brief Compilation of Thoughts About People

I genuinely believe Garmr believes what he's saying and thus the tiff with Davsto is not a good reason to scumread him. I lean town.

You should change this to garmr knows what he is saying is right as dave did flip scum.

If you are town, there were, (I'm assuming three scum because there's literally always three scum) 9 other town and 3 scum. You had a 25% chance to hit scum. Doesn't mean you are a Mafia God; your case on Davsto was nonsense from where I'm standing.

[MarioManiac4]

Also would like to add the fact like dave, mario was more concerned with me town blocking fire instead of finding other scum points to actually build a case on me.

WTF? I was scumreading you for forcing a townblock because SCUM. WANT. TO. BE. IN. A. TOWNBLOC.
THAT PART OF YOUR CASE ON DAVE IS 100% SHITTY. THE FACT YOU THINK YOU ARE PLAYING WELL BY FAKING A GUILTY ON TOWN AND LETTING THE LYNCH GO THROUGH SHOULD SHOW YOU THAT YOU NEED TO RE-EVALUATE YOUR TELLS.

[MarioManiac4]

Forgot to finish the @Mario section. There was supposed to be a line right before it ended asking,

"What are your thoughts on Mafia and maths? Do you feel like your use of maths is justified?"

Umm... I don't think maths has much correlation with mafia.
That doesn't mean I can't make a point which slightly uses it.
Basically, if Garmr was a random lynchbot he could get scum 25% of the time- which means that his claim to be good at the scumhuntings has little relevance. I don't understand how that is wrong. Mathematics in a more robotic sense could be scummy, but this is just a simple point against a claim.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Scorpious

[MarioManiac4]

I no longer think Garmr is scum after Davsto's flip.

I agree with Alchemist's assessment of All Alone.

VOTE: All Alone

But what about his assessment of Mario??

I also agree that Mario could likely be scum. I'll also point out--I've played games with Mario before but I haven't seen him get angry like he is in this game.

All Alone has done nothing but tunnel me.

Don't give me that.
You've played 1 game with me when I was a newb.

[MarioManiac4]

608-

1. So why did you ever feel the need to point it out?

2. I did try and find out more, and concluded Davsto was town. Problem?

3. News; I know Davsto outside Mini 1733.

4. I looked at options outside Davsto; such as you. I didn't give reasoning earlier because I was trying to judge the push and Davsto got quicklynched.

5. Yes, I admitted to being frustrated town. Busses exist and;

If I am lynched today, and in that case flip town, I decree, as confirmed town, that Garmr's towncred be lowered to ZERO.

There we go.

[MarioManiac4]

whatever.
i really don't care about this game.
just don't trust garmr and don't let scorpious live. trust threedice and trust all alone.

(I also like how Garmr tries to say "oh the townbloc was a huge threat to scum blahblah i'm town" when Garmr would be the "dangerous" one pushing the townbloc and leading the Davsto lynch.
I wonder why he's still alive and yet wants to hardpush the fact Fire died?)

[MarioManiac4]

His hammer on Davsto was cutting off town discussion, for a start.

[MarioManiac4]

No, information is "There are people voting for Davsto. ICE made a case against him but I don't know how I feel about it".

Analysis is "I don't like this wagon", which is how I am interpreting Mario's post. Mario, please correct me if I am wrong, and that you are actually confused by the wagon as opposed to being against it.

I agree with this..

UNVOTE: mm4
VOTE: Archmage

Stops scumreading me as soon as I defend Davsto.

[MarioManiac4]

Stops scumreading me as soon as I defend Davsto.

Who said I ever stopped scum reading you?

Your unvote.

[MarioManiac4]

This is a nice push Mario,where is it coming from?

Complaints about my not having one.

[MarioManiac4]

@Scorpius, once again, I'd really like to know why you chose to hammer fifteen minutes after intent.

IDK, seemed like the right thing to do..

VOTE: mm4

Either that or you saw your buddy was going down and hammered to stop down discussion?

[MarioManiac4]

@Scorpious: There were several questions for you to elaborate on reads, could you please answer those?

@3dice: What's your read on All Alone?

If Mario and Scorpious were the only choices today, I would currently rather go for Mario over Scorpious. It's mostly gut based on how each handled pressure so far, and I feel Mario is a lot more defensive while Scorpious feels more relaxed and seems to not really care about dying.

All Alone has been looking more scummy to me, I don't really understand why they would stop pushing Pistachion now. Was it just what I said or did more things factor into that choice? Pistachion feels slightly appeasing with her vote on Mario and I agree not announcing L-1 is kinda bad. There was a vc and 2 more votes all on the same page Pistachion voted..

I'm not ready to make up my mind yet, I want to see certain people respond to certain things first.

Believe me.
I don't care much about dying.
My existence here is spiralling, useless because it is discredited, and nobody will listen to it... even when I vote Scorpious, even when I do state something, people ignore it, unless they need it to make a case on me.
All I can say is, if I do end up flipping, to not trust Garmr or Scorpious.

[MarioManiac4]

Hammer me if needed.
Lynch Scorpious

[MarioManiac4]

Good thing Dav flipped scum or I might have to defend myself about a hammer..

See this? Scorpious is literally using Davsto's flip as a justification for the hammer. A townie wouldn't have known how Dav would have flipped when hammering, and thus would have come up with some other justification before doing it. Scum wouldn't have to since they'd already know the flip.

What's scum-Scorpious's motivation to lolhammer Davsto? Taken out of this context, isn't lolhammering scum a strong town associative?

to cut discussion
to get towncred.

I'm a town-aligned Vanilla Townie who can win with the town, which will occur when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

[MarioManiac4]

Vote Scorpious for a town win!

[MarioManiac4]

Congratulations.
You just lynched town.
Scum is in (pist, wanderer, scorpious, garmr) and everybody else can be Town.

[MarioManiac4]

-_- Did you really just hammer?

Are you really going to do what Mario did with Dave.

Maybe.
Town can do it after all, which you don't seem to be aware of.

[MarioManiac4]

Congratulations.
You just lynched town.
Scum is in (pist, wanderer, scorpious, garmr) and everybody else can be Town.

Nah you're probs scum if not it wasn't à big lose.

How can I be scum if I have a town Role PM?

[MarioManiac4]

I get your reads all except garmr, mario. Like I know he drove your lynch, but why else do you think he's scum?

He tries to reap credit for the Davsto lynch and the townbloc.
If that's the case, why did Fire, not him, die? Sounds like a ploy to defend his bloc, and lynch me, who opposed it.

[MarioManiac4]

Because she claimed something was "robotical" which I don't see at all.

How is it vaguely illogical that I realise that the death of Fire gains nothing more than the death of Garmr for scum, unless Garmr is scum himself?

[MarioManiac4]

I get your reads all except garmr, mario. Like I know he drove your lynch, but why else do you think he's scum?

He tries to reap credit for the Davsto lynch and the townbloc.
If that's the case, why did Fire, not him, die? Sounds like a ploy to defend his bloc, and lynch me, who opposed it.

If I was scum I would much prefer ha townie who town read me me and with similar reads to me so I can push harder then kill him. Also I wouldn't even suggest a town block to risky.
Sounds like your ploy was to make me look scummy by killing fire can't believe you would be that dumb to try that.

You tried to kill Fire to push the point the "townbloc was real."
There was no reason for Fire to be killed over you.