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[Frozen Angel]

Hi

i'll try to catch up asap

for now UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]

I was planning on catch up here tonight, But I'm afraid I can't. I'll do tomorrow.

and thanks mala

[Frozen Angel]

ok I'm catching up!

first RVS : VOTE: Jake because we never played a agme with each other yet , at least I'm trying to finish a game he is moderating!
UNVOTE: Jake for the obvious reason! (that we are out of RVS - not that he is mod!)

the process of catching up! :

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 47 : good post. town points for keyser
post 49 :
post 51 :

Roleplay Is this your first game ever?

post 73 : why your so angry about it?
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 88 : a newbie town post indeed.
post 94 : bad start.
post 95 : nice respond
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 104 : nice respond!
post 107 : why I can't see your try for finding scummy points.
post 110 : I think your fine. But quick hammering is not that scummy. it is I mean but not in that rate your putting afford on.
post 124 : not again. you can't be scum in here ... AS USUAL ... can you?!
post 142 : you really believed it?!!!!
post 143 : yeah , usual RC.
post 144 : wow good point.

why BJi?!

post 148 : he looks serious
post 150 : that wasn't a good place for trolling. don't try to be RC please ...
post 157 : well, I wasn't expecting that
post 158 : SHOUTING IN THE DARK : WHERE WERE YOU BLOODKING ...
post 166 : LIKE
post 167 : seems so defensive
post 175 : hmmm...
post 176 : its like your town game (the one we had) but don't get me wrong I never saw a scum game of you
post 177 : why?
post 181 :
post 183 : can see a townish try. not convinced enough
post 193 : oh. that was smart
post 212 : yep. I can't see roleplay that noobish anymore.
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...
post 219 : potentially the smartest vote of the game so far
post 221 : wanted to ask same questions but I saw you already did that for me!

till the end of page 9!

[Frozen Angel]

crap that's because of the space! Im sending the fix right now

[Frozen Angel]

Spoiler: the process of catching up! (Fixed links):

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 47 : good post. town points for keyser
post 49 :
post 51 :

Roleplay Is this your first game ever?

post 73 : why your so angry about it?
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 88 : a newbie town post indeed.
post 94 : bad start.
post 95 : nice respond
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 104 : nice respond!
post 107 : why I can't see your try for finding scummy points.
post 110 : I think your fine. But quick hammering is not that scummy. it is I mean but not in that rate your putting afford on.
post 124 : not again. you can't be scum in here ... AS USUAL ... can you?!
post 142 : you really believed it?!!!!
post 143 : yeah , usual RC.
post 144 : wow good point.

why BJi?!

post 148 : he looks serious
post 150 : that wasn't a good place for trolling. don't try to be RC please ...
post 157 : well, I wasn't expecting that
post 158 : SHOUTING IN THE DARK : WHERE WERE YOU BLOODKING ...
post 166 : LIKE
post 167 : seems so defensive
post 175 : hmmm...
post 176 : its like your town game (the one we had) but don't get me wrong I never saw a scum game of you
post 177 : why?
post 181 :
post 183 : can see a townish try. not convinced enough
post 193 : oh. that was smart
post 212 : yep. I can't see roleplay that noobish anymore.
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...
post 219 : potentially the smartest vote of the game so far
post 221 : wanted to ask same questions but I saw you already did that for me!

till the end of page 9!

[Frozen Angel]

Wow ! where did you find my snowman?!

[Frozen Angel]

the process of catching up! (part 2)

post 225 : really ? you don't expect someone to have a scum read in page 10?
post 233 : your speaking of preventing a mis lynch ?!!!! :O I mean a mis lynch?!!! he wasn't even close to the hammer point then.
post 238 : nice point. RP is noobish sometimes - so experienced in other spots ... I can't read him
post 248 :
post 251 : voting RC in day 1 is a proven scum move! but seriously, RC was busy with his life in last week I guess. he was site-wide inactive
post 257 : how are you reading an semi-inactive RC ?!
post 261 : his scum reads are mine as well. too many null reads yeah ...
post 263 : now everybody posting walls? why someone being in a hot water is a bad thing? you ever asked why people are pushing golden ?
post 274 : ha? you voted him because ...? omgus?
post 298 : pretty much how I'm confused about that vote.
post 324 : worst way to engage and answer
post 330 : thats not even close to what happened. Blood was inactive. he just posted his catch up reads.

Bloodking posted like 6 posts in his Iso. scum lean?!

post 339 : He was totally inactive. You wanted a more definite read list?
post 369 : your just advertising a Bloodking lynch because its the easiest wagon you can find. attacking him because he is not there to explain his reads is so unfair.
post 381 : yeah it could have been awesome if he was there to defend himself.
post 398 : not agreed.
post 399 : ha?!
post 413 : nice point to mention.
post 420 : good read post.
post 429 :
post 449 : policy lynching is always bad. If someone would have hammered him , you would loose the chance for playing with me , hon
post 464 : so what are you doing by camping in his wagon?
post 474 : like

till the end of page 19!

[Frozen Angel]

the process of catching up! (part 3)

post 484 : why are you twisting his words?
post 487 : Hi Mala
post 489 : he has only 6 posts. pull a vanishing act is simply a usuall inactivity which can happen to either of you at anytime
post 498 : best catch up you could done. best vote you could cast
post 503 : I know your generally inactive but ... what?!
post 512 : that's when I'm coming in
post 515 : that's me coming in
post 516 : yeah, I came in
post 520 :
post 522 : no matters

Spoiler: full song :)

post 523 : yeah that wasn't nice.
post 534 : are you really asking that?
post 550 : why are you posting such an IIAO posts FA? :/
post 558 : your back in page 1? ha ... I just reached here!

well cought up
tired, If not finding the reasons why (^) I'll explain in my next post (read list)
VOTE: Supercool

easy scummy slot.

your making too much noise about my slot . I don't like noises. come direct on me Roleplay.

[Frozen Angel]

Wow ! where did you find my snowman?!

I found Olaf lurking around BL0ODK1NG's wagon.
Olaf is currently wondering why Elsa is defend the BL0ODK1NG.

lol. bloodking is wasn't even playing Elsa never saw him. she is searching why people were scumreading someone who wasn't even existed in thread

[Frozen Angel]

I mean this is simply such a strange observation I feel a desire to comment on it again.

If you have done a full reread of the game, what would be the idea that I have not "come at you directly"? Is it the fact that I have come at Bloodking direct? Assuming you share alignment with your alter ego, that would seem to be functionally similar in all relevant respects.

your last page comments about who is getting the benefits from that doubt?!!

wasn't it clear enough?!

[Frozen Angel]

why are you twisting my word again?

although your hard tunnel on him was clearly scummy but I wasn't talking about it ... I was talking about myself.

[Frozen Angel]

that again means I'm asking this question again, not you are twisting my words again ...

[Frozen Angel]

why are you twisting my word again?

although your hard tunnel on him was clearly scummy but I wasn't talking about it ... I was talking about myself.

Interesting. This makes no sense. I mislike clear nonsense.

your making too much noise about my slot . I don't like noises. come direct on me Roleplay.

Explain how I twisted your words in my post.

[Frozen Angel]

Are you sirious?

[Frozen Angel]

Role play are you for god sake serious?!!!

[Frozen Angel]

You asked people who will get benefits from those unvotes ....

clearly you was saying your scum reading me - even before I catch up.

I asked you to stop making noises and tell me why are you scum reading me.

and your saying why I think you shouldn't scum read Bloodking ....

and your asking when you twisted my words?! :/ and your calling my only single post in game nonsense?!

[Frozen Angel]

Is your alignment the same as Bloodking's? If so, for what earthly reason would anyone's read on you change? Catch-up is irrelevant. Perhaps it is a level of naiveté showing, but I feel no particular requirement or desire to partake in any rituals before I secure your death.

for god sake

[Frozen Angel]

your saying you want to tunnel my slot to death base on ... ?

give me the reasons your so obsessed with this lynch

[Frozen Angel]

post 144 : wow good point.

why BJi?!

Because when you make three lists it's easy to forget someone. What a weird thing to say though. "wow good point" about something on the level of a typo.

post 263 : now everybody posting walls? why someone being in a hot water is a bad thing? you ever asked why people are pushing golden ?

Don't forget, you're posting walls too. It's what happens when you do a re-read of the thread and try to give your thoughts.

I never said someone being in hot water is a bad thing. I was pointing it out. It was a subtle attempt to get golden more engaged since he wasn't responding to the votes against him.

thx you just answered how I expected.

[Frozen Angel]

your saying you want to tunnel my slot to death base on ... ?

give me the reasons your so obsessed with this lynch

You state you have reread. I do believe I have explained this quite thoroughly. Either you have reread or you have not.

Cow and Dwlee, have you ceased benefiting your doubts already?

after all those catching up posts are you accusing me of lying about catching up?!

go get lost



the only reason people were voting this slot was because of his inactivity ... this is the exact thing I requested you to stop doing. Your not scum hunting , your just twisting things to fish a wagon.

[Frozen Angel]

In level of activity, higher.

In content of activity, no change.

lol

[Frozen Angel]

thx you just answered how I expected.

Good. Vote for yourself and die then.

[Frozen Angel]

Shall I produce some flash cards with smiley faces to communicate the sheer lack of content in her posts to you? It is not so hard to produce a very weak summary of events that occurred within a game. Especially one dominated by said faces and vague commentary (mostly about how she does not like the votes on her, apparently the primary focus of her reread).

whats wrong about my reread post? do you like the votes on yourself? nah that wasn't the primary focus of my read (not reread)

your testing my personality?! I have a defensive and sensitive personality . your case against me is just that funny I can't resist trolling.

Do you have anything on me or my slot ? instead of just being ridiculous about why everyone unvoted my slot after me being replaced ...

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel, each post you make in this thread provides us additional information about the identity of your partners. Each post you make provides us more and more information that will allow us to win the game. Please, keep posting. I am already learning a lot.

Already it is apparent that you wish to hard ride the lie that I voted Bloodking simply for activity level. I understand, you must formulate a defense of activity that was simply indefensible. You are not allowed to acknowledge your role is villainous. You are not allowed to wave the white flag and surrender. And I do admire the last ditch holding effort.

It is a last ditch holding effort though.

go F... yourself

I'm serrundering?! to who? you?! .........

make a case against me. I'll happilly defend. continue trolling and I'll show you who will get lynched at the end...

[Frozen Angel]

I' not telling you voted him becuase of that. everybody else did.

But your case on him was even more funnier. he has only 6 posts in this game. the last one was a catchup post. your case against him was why he agreed with something already been told.

are you kidding me? thats you case you want to tunnel this slot for ?

pedit :

really?! continue trolling you ....

you are tunneling me right now..... (I said anything about bloodking?!)

[Frozen Angel]

you found the easiest - nearly inactive person who was voting you and you discredit him. since then what have you done here?

[Frozen Angel]

You have 20 minutes to convince me why your not giving me a chance to play and why are you so sure about Blood being mafia instead of the reason he agreed on a read and I won't vote you.

pedit - I never said you didn't interacted with anyone else. I said your trolling the whole f... game and your focused on one slot and your not even having doubts about it ...

don't get distracted. tell me reasons. why you think I'm scum ? because the role pm jake gave me wasn't at all ... and I'm sure you never saw my role pm ...

[Frozen Angel]

I wanted to post a read list but your trolling just wasted all the time I had ... my vote on supercool is based on his actions. read my 3 posts and you shall see what I'm talking about...

are you skimming?

my partners are town. stop trolling .... this is my last warning.

and please give me reasons why are you scumreading me ...

my last warning.

[Frozen Angel]

since I barely even saw a mention of supercool in your readthrough.

to show how much you skimmed my post :

in first post :

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...

second post :

post 233 : your speaking of preventing a mis lynch ?!!!! :O I mean a mis lynch?!!! he wasn't even close to the hammer point then.
post 399 : ha?!

[Frozen Angel]

All that prevents you is you. Specifically, your fear. Your fear of me. With two votes on you, you are wetting yourself in your seat, terrified of what I am saying. Do you know why you are terrified? Because my words have a weight that you cannot possibly deny - the weight of truth. That truth is what you fear. You fear others being shown that truth, so you lash out, so you post smilies, so you attack like an angry dog. An angry poodle, I would say, one of the small ones.

go f... yourself.

tell me the case against me .... right now

[Frozen Angel]

Bloodking's entry to the game was awkward, and he was called out on this. Do you deny this is so?
Bloodking ceased playing the game shortly after that awkward entrance. Do you deny this is so?
Bloodking, upon being challenged to actually participate, produced a reads list that contained nothing resembling logic. Do you deny this is so?
Bloodking, upon being asked to defend that reads list, fled the game. Do you deny this is so?

Bloodking enterense was Bloodking's enterense. he is not here to answer you. he agreed with an idea and vanished. how scummy is that?
Bloodking made 6 posts and vanished! I don't know what happened to him but its not proving he was scum.
Blooking wan't there for about 6/7 posts. he came into game made a read list and vanished.... wow how scummy...
Bloodking never saw that he is being questioned for those reads ....

I'm asking again why are you so obsessed with lynching me?! all your reasons are based on his inactivity not his playing ...

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

you might wanna explain ?

[Frozen Angel]

since I barely even saw a mention of supercool in your readthrough.

to show how much you skimmed my post :

in first post :

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...

second post :

post 233 : your speaking of preventing a mis lynch ?!!!! :O I mean a mis lynch?!!! he wasn't even close to the hammer point then.
post 399 : ha?!

An amazing seven posts. With commentary like "god bless me. are you seriously going down this path" and "ha". I don't know how I really could have said this was nothing. To be honest, most of it seems cribbed from the reasons I voted Supercool, making this even more fascinating when you state I am tunneling and doing nothing.

Was I not promised a vote from you? You threaten me and threaten me and threaten me with this action. Where is the vote? I am starting to feel your threats are empty bluster, designed to make me retreat.

I accused him of role fishing , omgus , being afraid of WIFOM , talking about miss lynch's and distancing

[Frozen Angel]

Malakittens, you are wrong. Period.

and your right about what?!! ?

[Frozen Angel]

TALK TO ME INSTEAD OF MAKING NOISE ....

[Frozen Angel]

I accused him of role fishing , omgus , being afraid of WIFOM , talking about miss lynch's and distancing

Yes, that is a viewpoint the content of his posts. I especially enjoy the part where you complain that finding people "scummy" because they find you "scummy" is a villainous behavior. It contrasts nicely with your entire previous page of doing nothing but that.

I accuse you of receiving a link to a private topic that contains several partners, a mission to murder the town, and an extreme discomfort with the idea of having to do so while already under significant threat.

when I said I find you scummy?!!!!

you are just a troll .............

your accusation is trolling .... your wrong about me and your just making NOISE. more and more NOISES ...

[Frozen Angel]

TALK TO ME INSTEAD OF MAKING NOISE ....

Do you always play this...emotionally? You should understand that being so defensive is often viewed negatively by the town, so it is certainly not helping your case.

Its just my personality.

I'm highly emotional , sensitive and defensive... But I never got mislynched ever, an I'm not intended to do so.

he is just making noises. I want direct questions and I will answer the gladly ...

[Frozen Angel]

Shhh frozen clam down

How can I when someone like him is trolling the shit out of this game?

I'm Town. your just so blind that you can't even consider it ...

[Frozen Angel]

Fellow members of the town, there is two ways this can play out. The first is quite tiresome and trite. I make a "case". Frozen Angel attacks every single element of this case, because that is how it is supposed to play out. A good guy makes a case, if it is good enough the bad guy dies. She wants such. She desires such. She is actively seeking to attack my case, regardless of its contents. She argues that none of my points on Bloodking had merit, that they all boiled down to attacking him for lurking. For those of you who were there, you know this is not my case. For those of you who were not, read.

I prefer another method, perhaps this is from a bias that this site does not share. You read her posts, you see her raw need to latch onto a familiar framework of "town vs. scum" and you see how such framework she seeks places her as scum, and me as town. Like adults, like equals, we all make a judgment.

To me, it seems a waste of time to attempt to convince Frozen Angel she is a villain. She has known such since she replaced in. You know such by observation. Let us finish this.

I really can't handle my emotions right now ... I'm going to insult you.

I'm directly talking to you and you call towns judgment?! I'm not scum. I didn't done anything scummy. you are just soooooo obsessed with lynching me that I'm going to ask you "will you hang yourself from the nearest tree when I flipped town at the end of the game?"

you can't convince me I'm scum because I'm not! GO GET LOST

[Frozen Angel]

Shhh frozen clam down

How can I when someone like him is trolling the shit out of this game?

I'm Town. your just so blind that you can't even consider it ...

Hey I called you town.

This guys probably town too so let's just move on please??

that you was directed to role play. sorry for misunderstanding

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

you might wanna explain ?

"Reasons". I promise I will explain at the appropriate time.

I will kill you all after this game.... I'm me myself , a town member.... If your that blind to accept reasons from such troller your as bad as he is ...

pedit : ..... your going to lynch me because of those 6 posts he posted? the only thing I asked was time to let me play ... and your that obsessed about those faulty reasons?!!

[Frozen Angel]

However, as a quick explanation, I agree with RolePlay that your posts of "content" had more of the appearance of trying to deliver content than actually doing so. When Bloodking did it, I was willing to believe it was null. But when his replace-in does it too ... it's hard to believe that there's not something more to it.

ok I misunderstood ,

WHY.

when my posts lacked content? you even read all the questions I asked in my catch up post?

he literally wasted all my time tonight. I was about to give a read list about each player ...

your posts have more contents? when you started the game? I wasted 3 hours trying to made those 3 catch up posts look at the f... time stamps ... lack of content?... balah ...

[Frozen Angel]

I believe I have passed my "last warning". Where is your vote, to back up your accusations? Where is your vote, to back up your promises?

I see the new tactic is to claim I am making "noises" and am a troll.

Where is your vote on me, you coward? Do you fear the consequences of your own "last warning"? Do you fear what will happen when you have to admit you take me seriously?

JERK

I was putting warnings there to force you stop trolling and make a streight move ... your reasons are absurd ... your trolling was absurd ... your pushing is absurd ...

How else could I force you to tell me those reads?!

[Frozen Angel]

NO that was an endgame! we had not enough town to vote the scum!

ok consider that a mis lynch ... :/



and you should say that you think I'm scum . because YOU'RE SCUM.

[Frozen Angel]

And with FA never voting RP after her conditions for voting RP have been long since fulfilled, I do think she is our scum here.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I'm asking RP to hang himself in the nearest tree after my flip. your allowed to stand there watch him dieing ...

[Frozen Angel]

THIS IS A GAME?

I'M HAVING NO FUN HERE RIGHT NOW.

he just assumed I'm scum and people are blindly following him

[Frozen Angel]

Don't you see? In your read of the thread you

must

have seen how he has pressured people again and again. This is his way of scum hunting and is a great reaction test. Your reactions have been horrendous and you are just digging your grave.

he just trolled the shit out of me...

I asked for his reasons and he trolled more.

if its his way of scum hunting he definetly need to change it , because He is wrong and his way is absurd ...

and if my personality is digging my grave ... so be it. I won't change myself because of someone like him

[Frozen Angel]

Super you might wanna answer me about all the accusations I made on you ?

[Frozen Angel]

I believe I have passed my "last warning". Where is your vote, to back up your accusations? Where is your vote, to back up your promises?

I see the new tactic is to claim I am making "noises" and am a troll.

Where is your vote on me, you coward? Do you fear the consequences of your own "last warning"? Do you fear what will happen when you have to admit you take me seriously?

JERK

I was putting warnings there to force you stop trolling and make a streight move ... your reasons are absurd ... your trolling was absurd ... your pushing is absurd ...

How else could I force you to tell me those reads?!

So you wish to control my behavior through threats? Tell me, would such work on you if you were town? I think it would not.

It reeks of dishonesty and desperation.

NO I WANT YOU TO STOP TROLLING AND MAKE REAL ACCUSATIONS IF YOUR ATTACKING ME

what dishonesty and what desperation? YOUR JUST FUCKING SO BLIND THAT YOUR NOT EVEN TRYING TO SOLVE ME THE SLOT YOUR OBSESSED TO LYNCH

[Frozen Angel]

since I barely even saw a mention of supercool in your readthrough.

to show how much you skimmed my post :

in first post :

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...

second post :

post 233 : your speaking of preventing a mis lynch ?!!!! :O I mean a mis lynch?!!! he wasn't even close to the hammer point then.
post 399 : ha?!

An amazing seven posts. With commentary like "god bless me. are you seriously going down this path" and "ha". I don't know how I really could have said this was nothing. To be honest, most of it seems cribbed from the reasons I voted Supercool, making this even more fascinating when you state I am tunneling and doing nothing.

Was I not promised a vote from you? You threaten me and threaten me and threaten me with this action. Where is the vote? I am starting to feel your threats are empty bluster, designed to make me retreat.

I accused him of role fishing , omgus , being afraid of WIFOM , talking about miss lynch's and distancing

I mean these ... ^

[Frozen Angel]

For what it's worth, I've seen something like this before. I saw a scum player get so upset by being bussed in weird ways by her partners that she quit the game and was replaced. There were also players getting all up in arms about "leave the poor player alone, can't you see you're upsetting her". Turns out that I was applying strong pressure to her which was another of the reasons she replaced out. When she replaced, I figured I must have been wrong about her being scum, because I couldn't believe that someone would go off emotionally and then quit just because they're getting pegged as scum (and I guess not feeling like her scum partners were helping the situation), and I felt kind of guilty about it. So I reversed my vote on her; luckily my team mates carried the torch forward against her replace-in and lynched her. The slot was scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6674033

Not sure that's what's happening here ... but there are parallels ...

Also, mod, since you seem to be reading here ... can we get a vote count? I do not believe that Frozen is at L-2 or L-1 but I may have miscounted.

I'M NOT SCUM

YOU CAN HANG YOURSELF AS WELL . YOU ALL CAN ALL . ALL GO TOWARDS THAT HANGING TREE ...

[Frozen Angel]

Titus incoming?!

[Frozen Angel]

What should I take objectively ? that I'm getting lynched base of nothing ?!

[Frozen Angel]

I'm w8ing your answer super ...

[Frozen Angel]

Super why are you intentionally ignoring me?!

[Frozen Angel]

He stated "yeah , trust me I'm a doctor" and you believed it. no! you tried to make him talk about it. its a wifom for mafia. if you can't see that. you tried to solve the WIFOM and its not town motivated. and you tried to role fish <

forget OMGUS I really have no idea why I wrote that ... or I just can remember it

he wasn't even close to a mislynch. you said for avoiding a mislynch I'll change my vote after youve been asked why are you flipflopping on him ... it seems your tryed to have the both cases at hand. be with the voters and the disagreed ones.

Distancing : the town. you had no solid scum read never ever in this thread. I think your vote on me was your strongest cases so far. that's distancing and trying to lying low.

I need to go right now. Its too late here and my head is exploding ...

[Frozen Angel]

I just can remember it

can't *

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen
Thought about it a bit, this is kind of self-meta but I did this same thing my first scum game. It was because of bussing as well but I will get to that if frozen flips scum.

you wanna meta read yourself to vote me?!!! go check my scum game and come back if you found a similarity ...

Alas, my weapon in this mystery is not a machine gun, but a single scalpel - or but rather even one seventh of a scalpel.

Fair play. I'd still like to hear your

town

reads though - or will they depend on Frozen Angel's flip?

Is that surprising, given that the wagon on Bloodking was there mostly because people didn't like his level of activity

Hey man, since when was BL0ODK1NG's wagon an activity wagon?
Anyway, TheCow and Dwlee99 unvoted before Frozen Angel's 'catch-up'.


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To be fair, while I don't think it's accurate to say you have focused almost soley on her slot the

entire

game, you certainly have for at least the last 12+ pages or so, which would also make it disingenuous for you to pretend her claim is complete absurdity.

acryon playing the peace-maker.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

Talk about a kicking a girl while she's down...

TheCow was not making a random vote, but operating off the assumption that the first person to post is scum.

I still don't see it supercool898

I'm asking again why are you so obsessed with lynching me?! all your reasons are based on his inactivity not his playing ...

The BL0ODK1NG's wagon was not a lurker/inactivity wagon. We'd have had a wagon on Diego1487 or RadiantCowbells too if that was the case.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

you might wanna explain ?

Yes please. I felt bji was coming at this wagon from a neutral angle. That's the second time he's jumped on one of RolePlay25's wagons unexpectedly

This said player reacts via emotion when town.

Emotional defences can come from town and from scum.

ok keyser, I really can't see you here ...

RolePlay wants to see my flip. and you think that's informative? how is that? I mean I'm town. the only obvious thing that can come out of it is Supercools being scum, which is obvious right now .

I asked him to give me reasons how can be sure about bloodking to be scum in 6 posts and he gave me this :

Bloodking's entry to the game was awkward, and he was called out on this. Do you deny this is so?
Bloodking ceased playing the game shortly after that awkward entrance. Do you deny this is so?
Bloodking, upon being challenged to actually participate, produced a reads list that contained nothing resembling logic. Do you deny this is so?
Bloodking, upon being asked to defend that reads list, fled the game. Do you deny this is so?

I mean you ever asked him why his entry was awkward ? he did his RVS stuff and vanished. he came in and gave an awkward read list and vanished again.

I mean this proves he was scum?! IT'S OBVIOUS HE GOT STUFF GOING IN HIS LIFE. he was totally inactive in this whole thread. all the accusations on him are no-allignment-indicative but they can be used for a pressure to find the truth.

He is not here. I asked him to start cases against me and TEST me instead. and he refused to. He just want to assume I'm scum and finish this day.

I'm emotional. and yeah I will defend like this because I'm getting mis lynched base of nothing ...

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, erm, because 'distancing' would only work if you were both scum I need to re-read that exchange. Something just poked me up the bum

He had no solid scum read in whole thread.

that's what I meant by saying distancing ...

[Frozen Angel]

Keyser. I need my moral center. And that's you and MarioMaker, and I haven't seen MM in far too long. I need some advice.

I liked MarioManiac4 in the early Chapters, but he has since slipped down a couple levels since Chapter IV. I want MarioManiac4 as an ally, but he's not sharing his love.
Advice?

Looook, Keyser I'm not drunk, but I wanna be drunk. Becauuuuse, things aren't adding up any more. Look, Bloodking's ISO is a mess. I've got twenty different people saying "you can't be scummy in six posts" but it's actually a literal flaming mess. The "you searched my name, that makes you town!" bit was nonsense, the "keeping the eye on Golden" bit was terrible, the reads list was horrid, and replacing out under pressure ain't never been a town tell. But then we get Frozen Angel. She's still Bloodking. Her post-by-post is a giant waste of time. She even self-consciously calls out how scummy it is jokingly:

post 550 : why are you posting such an IIAO posts FA? :/

This is so cutesy "tee hee look at me doing something scummy" it makes my eyeteeth ache. In the manner that screams "there will be blood!" I hate it! I hate all of it!

But then you throw her in the kettle, cook her up, and what does she do? She goes and she scumhunts. She actually fucking tries to get her scumread lynched, even when no one is paying attention to a fucking thing she is saying. And she's calling Bloodking's actions null. Not like "oh he was scummy, but he's not scum," no she's genuinely confused as to what I find scummy about an ISO that's a small pile of dog dirt. She genuinely doesn't see iiiitttt...

Then we have the voters man, the voters. BJI. Supercool. DWLee. You think that's three town voting with us man? Man, I don't know if that's better than one town voting with us.

I wanna go somewhere else, Keyser. I wanna go visit some old friends. Whadda you wanna do? Golden? Pay an overdue visit to BJI? Throw our weight on the supercool train?

Bloodking ISO which your talking about is not even an ISO! he has only 6 posts .... omfg I have 58 posts right now!

The only points your making against him are things you can use to push a slot to gain scum reads. their non scum slip by themselves...

I never said his actions were scummy. if you can't read my posts please don't , AT LEAST Don't twist my words please. I'm scum hunting yeah.... so what?! I'm really not following you at all...

their wagoning on me because you couldn't make an easier wagon for them! are you sirious ?!

[Frozen Angel]

I have some time to post right now so I am going to. I don't usually like posting on my phone since it is crap to edit with, but whatever.

He stated "yeah , trust me I'm a doctor" and you believed it. no! you tried to make him talk about it. its a wifom for mafia. if you can't see that. you tried to solve the WIFOM and its not town motivated. and you tried to role fish <

forget OMGUS I really have no idea why I wrote that ... or I just can remember it

he wasn't even close to a mislynch. you said for avoiding a mislynch I'll change my vote after youve been asked why are you flipflopping on him ... it seems your tryed to have the both cases at hand. be with the voters and the disagreed ones.

Distancing : the town. you had no solid scum read never ever in this thread. I think your vote on me was your strongest cases so far. that's distancing and trying to lying low.

I need to go right now. Its too late here and my head is exploding ...

Again, I see no circumstance where unvoting town is scummy. Leaving my vote on a town player is promoting a mislynch, so I removed it and put it on someone I think is scum.

Great. I'm not distancing a single person, but the entire town. Wouldn't by the general use of distancing mean that I am town? Also you must realize that I do not have the same reads list as I did from 500 pages ago. My reads are pretty different now.

no. not the unvote. I'm talking about the way you did it not your action.

and no. I never said your lurking. I meant your always there. your everywhere! and your there to vote all the wagons but you never had a strong scum read. you want to shoot arrows from distance , town will make their hands dirty .

[Frozen Angel]

I hate reads lists, they're so fake and "scummy" -- in a way that doesn't involve jargon.

They don't have to be, although I agree they can become unnecessary points of contention depending on how much credence is given to them. That being said, they are good for some amount of information, and you should only be worried about them if you're scum.

UNVOTE:

@supercool: Of the people on your wagon, how do you feel about each of their perceived or stated reasons for being there? Who's scum? Who's town?

I think that FA, mala, and maybe cow are scum. Titus is a null read for me, since she and neumune haven't really said much yet. I'm waiting for her to catch up with the game.

good you have a scum case.

you think if I was scum (which I'm not) my scum partners would defend me or buss me? why are so dishonest man?

and you must mention titus atm? you mentioned everyone? why are you trying to show yourself super active while your trying to put something and make everything just muddy ?

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, I am, FA.

so your wrong!

go check my meta and decide base on that ...

[Frozen Angel]

open my wiki and you shall see them all

and http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... fly-theme/

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... mafia-101/

my town offsite games

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... nced-game/

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... ermediate/

my scum offsite games ...

All my games so far ...

[Frozen Angel]

But it is easier to compare to my own games. If you link a scum game of yours I will look at it, though. Oh and give me a town game too please

and your going to guess my personality base on your games?!!! :O

[Frozen Angel]

Nah just what I expect scum to act like when bussed. I will look through those when I get home.

your expecting wrong ... people are different.

[Frozen Angel]

I have voted for people I think are scum/or where I needed answers.

Can you please say which one am I?

you think I'm scum because ?

if you want answers why no question ?

[Frozen Angel]

I have voted for people I think are scum/or where I needed answers.

Can you please say which one am I?

you think I'm scum because ?

if you want answers why no question ?

I voted BL0ODK1NG because of BL0ODK1NG (scum).
My vote is still on your slot because I want to see you focus on others and not yourself: find 'scum' (answers).
(What % of your posts have been defensive... what % of your posts have been trying to scum-hunt / 'feel' other players out...)

Thus, a combination of both 'scum' and 'answers'.
I have been consciously looking at the nature of your wagon too (the timing/reasons of the votes, the timing/development of supercool898's counter-wagon).

you think I'm not trying by questioning my voters ?

I mean look at my posts ? I was trying to pressure supercool when people were stupidly pressuring me and calling me emotional?

and I'm asking you? and your rejecting ? Bloodking is not here. ask me questions , prove your voting for a real reason and try to sort me.

these things are townie ... not what your doing.

[Frozen Angel]

I leave for a day and this happens. I'm reading through now.

you ever finished reading ? your happy there is no more pressure on you?

what are your current reads?

[Frozen Angel]

since I barely even saw a mention of supercool in your readthrough.

to show how much you skimmed my post :

in first post :

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...

second post :

post 233 : your speaking of preventing a mis lynch ?!!!! :O I mean a mis lynch?!!! he wasn't even close to the hammer point then.
post 399 : ha?!

An amazing seven posts. With commentary like "god bless me. are you seriously going down this path" and "ha". I don't know how I really could have said this was nothing. To be honest, most of it seems cribbed from the reasons I voted Supercool, making this even more fascinating when you state I am tunneling and doing nothing.

Was I not promised a vote from you? You threaten me and threaten me and threaten me with this action. Where is the vote? I am starting to feel your threats are empty bluster, designed to make me retreat.

I accused him of role fishing , omgus , being afraid of WIFOM , talking about miss lynch's and distancing

Nice buzzwords. Any content to it?

I specially kept it long so you can see the post links...

and you might wanna go forward to see when I explained them more.

[Frozen Angel]

also golden I asked you about your reads and your responding yays?! :/

[Frozen Angel]

Spoiler: a little no game related note from me to roleplay

I have a psychological sickness ( A real sickness) and last night in your posts you insulted me (called me Coward and things like that ...) . that literally ruined me ...

I'm kindly, respectfully , peacefully , whatever ... ask you to never do it again.

that's a real problem. ty for considering this

[Frozen Angel]

Ah finally. I can reveal the reason for my vote.

It's quite simple. Frozen Angel and RolePlay were bussing. I voted Frozen to put more pressure on her, hoping that if others piled on, we'd be able to see how much RolePlay really wanted to lynch her. I didn't want to tell my reasons then, because it would completely ruin any chance of getting an accurate read on RolePlay's intentions.

So how do I know that they were bussing? Consider:

- RolePlay makes some random early pressure on several players and then settles on Bloodking with a trumped-up case that he pushes hard. We've all seen how much RolePlay has "tunnelled" on the Bloodking/Frozen slot for most of the game by this point. Even Frozen admitted it.

- A reasonable explanation for this would be that RolePlay had agreed with Bloodking in scum pre-game chat to bus each other. It's a decent strategy, my scum partner and I won our first game with the same approach.

- But Bloodking goes AWOL. RolePlay is left bussing someone who isn't bussing back. This leaves RolePlay paralyzed because he has to keep bussing Bloodking on the assumption that he'll come back soon ... but Bloodking never comes back. Now RolePlay is left a bit out to dry but ...

- In comes Frozen to the rescue. Posts a bunch of fluffy comments to look like scum hunting and then, as her first action after this, in post 560, tells RolePlay:

"come drect on me RolePlay"

- So why did she post this? I'll tell you why. Frozen has access to the scum pre-chat and was able to read Bloodking and RolePlay's communication and knew they wanted to bus, but now that it's day she can't talk directly to RolePlay and so had to communicate her intention to continue the bus strategy. And there it was, in black and white. "come direct on me RolePlay".

- Immediately, RolePlay starts bussing her, hard. And she busses back, with lots of emotion and drama.

I started to get the feeling that there could be bussing here soon after these two started going at it, so I decided to make the game interesting by seeing if we could get Frozen close to L-1 and then see what RolePlay would do. If he dropped off the wagon, that would be further evidence - he doesn't want to really lynch Frozen, so he has to start acting uncertain ... which HE DOES, right around post 715. RolePlay is starting to beg Keyser to give him a reason to leave the Frozen wagon!

And Keyser doesn't play along; but RolePlay leaves anyway! 778

I am now 100% convinced that Frozen and RolePlay were bussing. I don't care which of Frozen or RolePlay goes first, but one of them has to go.

yeah ... hanging tree...

He was making noises... calling people why are they giving me the benefit of doubt.

I have no idea why roleplay did all that push , but no I'm not sure about his alignment nor I have access to the private topic. I'm a fucking lonely scum bussed town! I asked him to stop making noise in thread in a very respectful way and he started making more noises for NO DAMN REASON.

the unvote means nothing to me just like as his vote means nothing to me as well. I won't bow to a troll like him.

Its day 1. you rally think scum would do such bussing in day 1 ? for what?! I mean you say RP and BK were bussing since the start of day ...

and no I never bussed back. I still think that troll is town. you may wanna go back and see my push on Supercool ?

Whats wrong with this town? I mean I litterally got accused for being Scum-Partner with half of the players in last 6 pages : the ones who are voting with me and the ones who wants me dead .... and the most ridiculous point is I'm town!

Why are you even trying to show me related to anyone else when you never saw my flip!?!

GOD

[Frozen Angel]

also golden I asked you about your reads and your responding yays?! :/

Where did you ask me about it?

I leave for a day and this happens. I'm reading through now.

you ever finished reading ? your happy there is no more pressure on you?

what are your current reads?

[Frozen Angel]

yeah, Mis lynches are always the best Idea

[Frozen Angel]

His Idea will literally prove nothing!

we both are towns : He is troll and I have no Idea why he is pushing me
I am town he is scum : yeah definitely want an easy slot gone (base on some old reasons ...)

You will gain tones of info after my flip ... NO WORRY AT ALL

[Frozen Angel]

(post 796)
Ok, I don't know what to do with this.

thats me asking him to not insult me anymore ......

what its relation to you ?

[Frozen Angel]

yeah, Mis lynches are always the best Idea

No one is trying for a mislynch, but they happen. It's foolish to think we are going to get scum 100% of the time D1.

But its foolish to lynch a slot with no evidence.

I'm getting lynched because of everyone else and my town flip will prove anything? NO! its just a waste ... You want to win ? try to lynch scum!

[Frozen Angel]

because of everyone else

Not becuase of myself.

There is no accusation on me , Current voters reasons are :

- Bloodking was inactive
- He had a foolish RVS
- Someone tried to buss me
- Someone tried to defend me
- I'm a foolish little emotional girl

yeah , convincing enough ...

[Frozen Angel]

thats me asking him to not insult me anymore ......

what its relation to you ?

I'm sorry to hear about your illness xxx

thx

[Frozen Angel]

yeah, Mis lynches are always the best Idea

No one is trying for a mislynch, but they happen. It's foolish to think we are going to get scum 100% of the time D1.

But its foolish to lynch a slot with no evidence.

I'm getting lynched because of everyone else and my town flip will prove anything? NO! its just a waste ... You want to win ? try to lynch scum!

First of all, we're never really operating off concrete evidence, especially D1. We tend to operate off of assumptions, circumstances, etc.

Second, every lynch provides information, but no one is looking to lynch you for that. I currently think you are most likely to flip scum.

give me reasons for your current wrong reading ...

[Frozen Angel]

@Supercool RP unvoted me after that I guess

This is nonsense.

Gladiate golden009

I wouldn't do this if you would pay ANY attention to Golden.
Instead it's all the FA show when the emotion is the opposite of scummy.

Emotion is not the opposite of scummy. Emotion is null. Emotional people can be emotional as town or scum, and good players can manipulate it as either.

you striked the number 5 , why you think I'll flip scum ?

all the remaining reasons :

- Bloodking was inactive
- He had a foolish RVS
- Someone tried to buss me
- Someone tried to defend me

pedit so you voting me becuase someone bussed the shit out of me????! Really ? :/

[Frozen Angel]

I mean I can buss you totally till my last minute ... Are you scum for that?

See how funny is this accusation?!

[Frozen Angel]

"someone needs to die today" is just a fact.

also this is the best reason for jumping on a wagon , you know? (considering the fact 5 days remained)

[Frozen Angel]

I told you why I'm voting you.

and I told you why that's funny.

any comments on that?

[Frozen Angel]

"someone needs to die today" is just a fact.

also this is the best reason for jumping on a wagon , you know? (considering the fact 5 days remained)

Everyone has to jump on one at some point due to this fact. Just depends on when you're ready. I generally like to take plenty of time to wait, but I like the idea enough to go for it now. bji's post changed the game. You can't really ignore it.

are you even trying to show your vote valid? because the only thing I can see is your stupid try to get behind bji

[Frozen Angel]

Man explain his idea to me please! I want to hear it from you!

[Frozen Angel]

Man explain his idea to me please! I want to hear it from you!

This makes no sense. I have already explicitly stated I believed his idea. Why would I rehash it when he already explained it?

Because I believe you planed it before contributing it inside the tread!

The Idea is just as absurd as ....

I must be lynched because you believe someone else were busying me?!!! and my flip will tell you what in this case?!!!

[Frozen Angel]

I'm unsure of who I want to lynch today.

Your subsequent actions do not reflect that position.

So why did acryon jump on: is Frozen Angel deadweight scum, or the inevitable miss-lynch?
Still reading.

If I were scum I would be concerned with not changing my mind on things. Since I'm town, I'm not. I'm just concerned with doing the thing that gives us the best chance of finding scum. Going after me because I changed my mind following a groundbreaking post doesn't make much sense.

BEST REASON FOR BEING TOWN READED YOU KNOW THAT?

VOTE: acryon

yeah count it OMGUS I know you will , But I'm lynching my strongest scum read right now.

I'm sure you don't even know what are you getting behind of

[Frozen Angel]

I planned what?

Jumping on my wagon?!

[Frozen Angel]

MM are you following the game ? whats your read on ari ?

[Frozen Angel]

I mean Acry *

[Frozen Angel]

BEST REASON FOR BEING TOWN READED YOU KNOW THAT?

VOTE: acryon

yeah count it OMGUS I know you will , But I'm lynching my strongest scum read right now.

I'm sure you don't even know what are you getting behind of

I didn't say you should town-read me for changing my mind, but you certainly shouldn't scum-read me for changing it. And you are correct that I will call it OMGUS.

Ohhhh Acryon, haven't you been reading? You really should be reading if you want to try these little slides around me

I have, but I want you to remind me, because I would think it would take a lot more than that to get off to the point you are now.

I'm not voting you becuase your voting me or you changed your vote! I don't even care!

I'm voting you because you have no idea why are you voting me right now!

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not voting you becuase your voting me or you changed your vote! I don't even care!

I'm voting you because you have no idea why are you voting me right now!

I know exactly why I am voting you and have explicitly stated numerous times why. You can cast shade here but I'm sure any sensible townie will understand what's happening.

Also come on bji! You drop a bomb that I agree with and now you're not even here to take some of this heat?

Explain WHY?!

I see two reasons :
1 - BJI is a good boy
2 - we need to avoid no-lynch

BOTH are indeed funny ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm misrepresenting who? are you even reading his posts ?

nah I know your scum with him

[Frozen Angel]

I'm misrepresenting who? are you even reading his posts ?

nah I know your scum with him

Now you are misrepresenting me too. Acyron agrees with bji's conspiracy theory and has decided that the reward is greater than the risk. Honestly I agree with the latter part too

tell me what misrepresentation?

I asked him to repeat what he is agreed with and he refused. he has no idea whats he is agreed with.

and when I misrepresented you?! I accused you of skimming.

what you said was a misrepresentation

[Frozen Angel]

I'm misrepresenting who? are you even reading his posts ?

nah I know your scum with him

Now you are misrepresenting me too. Acyron agrees with bji's conspiracy theory and has decided that the reward is greater than the risk. Honestly I agree with the latter part too

Thank you my scum partner . I was afraid I was running out of ways to say the exact nonsense.

I Fixed it for you...

[Frozen Angel]

No the case on him is that he never knew what is he agreeing on!

he just went forward and joined my wagon behind someone else.

[Frozen Angel]

I currently think you are most likely to flip scum.

Show me why.

I already said why. I think bji's case is the best by far of any other info available, meaning I think FA/RP are equally likely to flip scum. Given those two, I think we lose less mislynching FA.

[Frozen Angel]

I think we lose less mislynching FA.

should I say anything more?!!!

[Frozen Angel]

The whole BJI case is valid if both are scum.

your assuming me as a mislynch.

should I say anything more?!!!!

[Frozen Angel]

golden I need your immidate read on arcy

[Frozen Angel]

You said I'm a better mislynch didn't you?

[Frozen Angel]

Supercool vanished?

I was trying to find your relations .... :/

[Frozen Angel]

WELL Acryon - supercool never engaged in a conversation in the whole damn thread.

ONLY once!

look at these trusre posts and you see what I mean :

the word "super" was 26 timed mentioned in arc Iso (more than half other peoples quote)

Spoiler: Acryon - Suppercool

Of these two, I feel like golden009 is the second type and supercool is the first type. While supercool is wrong on a lot of the things he is saying, it feels more uninformed/noob than nefarious.

I guess the question is: from the way super has played thusfar, what were you expecting from him out of a full reads post?

I wouldn't agree that there is no genuine attempt to determine who is what. He had a vote on you and changed you to a null-read for not much of a reason. There really isn't a good reason to do this as scum. He's either sloppy town or very very sloppy scum.

[Currently writing...]

@Keyser: I liked you better when you asked questions rather than just posting ISO-analysis.

No one answers my questions Got a few pending questions still to be answered too.
The ISO shit is something I do to consolidate my read on someone. Sometimes I miss things when I'm too distracted.

Once I catch up (in fact, when more than half of the players catch up - what are you guys all waiting for?) I'll be online to chat. Felt like I was going round in circles yesterday talking to myself

Oh keyser, did I ever answer your question about my reads on acyron and RC? I think I started answering it at some point but might not have hit submit

Not Keyser, but you did in 259.

I really hope nobody actually thinks scum will quickhammer on D1. That would be insanity for scum players to reveal themselves that early. What will happen if this wagon really takes off is either BK gets to L-1 and which point you unvote him, or BK gets to L-1 where someone announces intent to hammer at which point you retract your vote. Unless you go MIA for a long period of time or something, BK will not get lynched with your vote on him.

I'm not worried about scum quickhammering; I'm worried about town doing it. People like RC this game/VIs clearly don't have an interest in being helpful, so I have seen them quickhammer. There is also the possibility of someone coming in that's been away, not realizing how many votes BK has, and accidentally hammering. No one should be put to L-1 unless the person putting them there is ready for them to die.

@supercool: Of the people on your wagon, how do you feel about each of their perceived or stated reasons for being there? Who's scum? Who's town?

@supercool: Of the people on your wagon, how do you feel about each of their perceived or stated reasons for being there? Who's scum? Who's town?

I think that FA, mala, and maybe cow are scum. Titus is a null read for me, since she and neumune haven't really said much yet. I'm waiting for her to catch up with the game.

You really think that three of the four people on your wagon are scum/maybe scum?

idk I'm in a rut right now. I don't really have any reads.

A good starting point would be to take a look at the 4 main wagons of D1 so far:
RolePlay25 - Dwlee99, supercool898, Keyser Söze, acryon, golden009 (L-2)
golden009 - MarioManiac4, acryon, Keyser Söze, Titus (L-3)
Frozen Angel - RolePlay25, Keyser Söze, bji, supercool898, Dwlee99 (L-2)
supercool - Malakittens, TheCow, Frozen Angel, Titus (L-3)

Interestingly Keyser, the person this makes not look good is you. The only wagon you're not on is supercool's who was twice on the same one as you. Do you generally jump on every wagon that comes along? Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

Clearly you were able to draw the conclusion that it potentially looks like one of you is sheeping the other, and your not being on supercool's wagon despite pushing on the others make that seem like you. I'm not saying I think you are scum; I am just pointing out that if we were looking for one person to look the worst based on those wagons, that person is you.

I'm misrepresenting who? are you even reading his posts ?

nah I know your scum with him

Now you are misrepresenting me too. Acyron agrees with bji's conspiracy theory and has decided that the reward is greater than the risk. Honestly I agree with the latter part too

Thank you supercool. I was afraid I was running out of ways to say the exact same thing.

[Frozen Angel]

I currently think you are

most likely to flip scum

.

Show me why.

I already said why. I think bji's case is the best by far of any other info available, meaning I think FA/RP are equally likely to flip scum. Given those two, I think we lose less mislynching FA.

No, tell me why Frozen Angel is most likely to flip scum.

What if bji had chosen 2 other names, would your stance still be the same (i.e 'somebody needs to die Day One'), or can you highlight what makes Frozen Angel more likely to flip scum more than anyone else?

Well no it wouldn't be the same because the same tension hasn't existed between two others. I think FA/RP are more likely to flip scum because the relation painted by bji is more likely and worth the risk of pursuing than any other ideas at present.

what about the relation I pointed about you and supercool? still you think he bussying me makes me scum ?!

[Frozen Angel]

You said I'm a better mislynch didn't you?

Mislynches are an unfortunate reality, but they are a reality nonetheless. It would be foolish to not consider them in my decision, especially D1 when the chance of mislynch is so high.

are you begging me to back of and don't push you anymore?

because you know , I won't surrender . specially when I'm town and I found busted scums

[Frozen Angel]

I'm inviting everyone to ISO ACryon and search about supercool. or Iso supercool and search about Acryon

[Frozen Angel]

Roleplay and FA were mortal enemies but now they are both voting for acry? umm..
The bussing theory before flips is really bad but then they both fight together for an acry lynch.
I am going to keep my vote on FA

I have nothing to do with Roleplay. Ignore that troll and go look at arcy - supercools Iso's ....

[Frozen Angel]

Dweele where do you stands on my theory?

Supercool - Acry

[Frozen Angel]

I'm inviting everyone to ISO ACryon and search about supercool. or Iso supercool and search about Acryon

Your numbers are messed up because you didn't consider Acryon quoting me or vice versa. In fact I have only directly said the word Acryon once (before posting this of course) and Acryon's numbers are incorrect too.

I reread both your ISO's

the only thing I can see is buddying - talking to other players about how town is the other one or why your not scumreading the other one .

you never had a direct conversation with each other of any kind (only 1ce in game after my replacement he questioned you why are you scumreading me)

[Frozen Angel]

I'm inviting everyone to ISO ACryon and search about supercool. or Iso supercool and search about Acryon

Your numbers are messed up because you didn't consider Acryon quoting me or vice versa. In fact I have only directly said the word Acryon once (before posting this of course) and Acryon's numbers are incorrect too.

I reread both your ISO's

the only thing I can see is buddying - talking to other players about how town is the other one or why your not scumreading the other one .

you never had a direct conversation with each other of any kind (only 1ce in game after my replacement he questioned you why are you scumreading me)

I seriously hope you don't believe that. You should know how much of a lie both of those statements are.

Btw, "you never had a direct conversation with each other of any kind" confirms that FA is scum with golden009!!! /s

I came in two days ago and no, I had lots of conversation - accusation with that slot if you ISO me ...

nice try

[Frozen Angel]

ok 4 days ago. I started playing 2 days ago^ (more accurate!)

[Frozen Angel]

All you have said to golden was "also golden I asked you about your reads and your responding yays?! :/" and "golden I need your immidate read on arcy". "Frozen" as a search word in golden's posts only pulls up references to you in quotes he quoted.

god you want me to test him how?!

like you, sitting there watching him get tired and telling me that he is scum?

I will ask questions and qualify the answers. the very beginning thing a town will do that you never did on Acryon slot

[Frozen Angel]

If FA gets lynched and flips scum and then RP follows, am I still bad-town?

I'm sorry to disappoint you But I will flip town.

so the base of your credibility is under question.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm voting scum yo. I don't know what everyone else is on.

Can you please do me a favor and open Acryon ISO and read it for me? Then can you please search "Super" name in his ISO (for searching Supercool).

and then come back here and tell me what do you see there?

[Frozen Angel]

Can you please do me a favor and open Acryon ISO and read it for me? Then can you please search "Super" name in his ISO (for searching Supercool).

and then come back here and tell me what do you see there?

This doesn't work all the time.
Take one lynch at a time.
Have you opened up everyone else's ISO and searched supercool898's name?

supercool898's name keeps popping up... but I don't see as many votes on his name
"supercool898" is constantly being used as a substitute for the word "scum".
He is not confirmed scum the last time I checked.

that wasn't the same thing they brought up about me and RP ?

I know it won't prove anything. but look at both of them individually , then together ....

Supercool role fish. Acryon bandwagon. Supercool jump on me base of nothing. Acryon Jump on me behind someone else. I ask Acryon why,Supercool answers it. people asks about Supercools behavior , Acryon answers them. Super cool never had a strong scum read. Acryon never had a strong scum read.



If I'm wrong about both of them being scum together I'm sure I'm right about at least one of them.

I'm voting scum yo. I don't know what everyone else is on.

Can you please do me a favor and open Acryon ISO and read it for me? Then can you please search "Super" name in his ISO (for searching Supercool).

and then come back here and tell me what do you see there?

Maybe you should have done better research popping into this game, because if you did it would be clear I defended

your

slot more than I ever defended sueprcool.

I said you defended him? I'm saying you two never had any kind of direct interactions.

[Frozen Angel]

So you call these questions as trying to solve him out really?

only 5 posts in your 115 posts ... and the only try I can see is in the last one ... which you never even continued it ...

[Frozen Angel]

and yeah i searched everyone else keyser :

number of results after search :

Mario : 9
Golden : 55
Bloodking : 35 , Frozen Angel : 67
Keyser : 76
Dweele : 26
RP : 22 + Roleplay : 116 = 138
Radiant : 10
bji : 47
Neumune : 5 ,Titus : 4
Cow : 19
Mala : 8

he is to concentrated in his reads ... ^

[Frozen Angel]

Sorry FA, but I think it's clear you're lost on this one. I think your OMGUS is beginning to look like what it is.

[Frozen Angel]

You better come with a very better defense instead of calling my attack omgus

[Frozen Angel]

and no, you two never had any kind of conversations so far. only some comments , questions (5?!)

and no! I'm scumreading you independently - But I'm kind of sure about the scum team atm

[Frozen Angel]

and yeah i searched everyone else keyser :

number of results after search :

Mario : 9
Golden : 55
Bloodking : 35 , Frozen Angel : 67
Keyser : 76
Dweele : 26
RP : 22 + Roleplay : 116 = 138
Radiant : 10
bji : 47
Neumune : 5 ,Titus : 4
Cow : 19
Mala : 8

he is to concentrated in his reads ... ^

Are you truly just searching for the names... Do you realize this includes every mention anyone has made within anything I have ever quoted. Do you not understand how flawed this is?

I read all your ISO like 10 times and I came with the same conclusion. Your so concentrated in people ...

I'm asking everyone to start reading it as well ...

[Frozen Angel]

and no It includes all the responses - all the communications you had directly - or indirectly with people - not flawed at all

[Frozen Angel]

and no, you two never had any kind of conversations so far. only some comments , questions (5?!)

and no! I'm scumreading you independently - But I'm kind of sure about the scum team atm

I just did a quick search of myself for cow and it turns out I've only talked to him twice?! Book me boys! Cow/Acryon scumteam confirmed.

I said that? why are you trying to misrep me?

Your both are scummy enough and you two have a weird ISO regarding to each other.

You two are probably the scum team. I can't say cow is scummy atm because I think he is not

[Frozen Angel]

Go get lost! why are you dodging me!

[Frozen Angel]

and yeah i searched everyone else keyser :

number of results after search :

Mario : 9
Golden : 55
Bloodking : 35 , Frozen Angel : 67
Keyser : 76
Dweele : 26
RP : 22 + Roleplay : 116 = 138
Radiant : 10
bji : 47
Neumune : 5 ,Titus : 4
Cow : 19
Mala : 8

he is to concentrated in his reads ... ^

w8 i think I read keyser question's differently - its acryon's ISO results about everyone else, not everyone else ISO's about Super cool.

[Frozen Angel]

Let's come back to hear if/when supercool898 flips red.

Do you want to lynch supercool898 or acryon?

if one flip red I will definitely go for the other.

no one yet flipped , acryon is a bit more scummy atm

[Frozen Angel]

And my question is do you truly believe searching someone's ISO and doing a Ctrl + F is a good or at all accurate way to gauge engagement with each player? (By the way I've already proven that it's not)

Bloody hell , I read your ISO and I got that result in the same time ...

and you posted all the relevant posts yourself! Look at them and tell me when exactly you sorted that slot out?!

[Frozen Angel]

What reason (other than emotion, which is a firm null) do you have to believe FA specifically is town?

What reason (other than the fact I got tunneled by Roleplay which is a firm null about my slot) do you have to believe I specifically am Scum ?

[Frozen Angel]

Not sure how many times I have to say this, but I'm not going to rehash what bji said. I agreed with his analysis, and jumped on. If you'd like to talk about his post, fine. Quote what you have a problem with and let's talk about how his is not more worth pursuing than other leads.

Not sure how many time I accused you for just being opportunistic on a jump and find no one better than bji to get behind ...

You may want to start talking by yourself ...

[Frozen Angel]

it is very much up for debate

blah! for one second Imagine someone come in thread and say FA is bussing Acryon and Acryon is bussing FA (becuase I tunneled you and you just defended here)

A Firm debate ....

he tunneled me (I don't get it yet) I defended myself . that's it.

[Frozen Angel]

yeah we two are both scum partners because I'm tunneling you ... gg

[Frozen Angel]

I cannot talk to FA anymore. Not sure if its the language barrier, inexperience, or what, but it's just nonsense after nonsense here. Someone lynch her or lynch me, because I can't imagine staying in a town with this player for more than a day.

[Frozen Angel]

NOOO, Don't do thissss. come on . I'm just posting about games , why are you making them personal ?

[Frozen Angel]

Acryon what the hell?!!!!

why you feel that way? I apologise if I did anything bothering you. pLease !

[Frozen Angel]

Acryon what the hell?!!!!

why you feel that way? I apologise if I did anything bothering you. pLease !

I don't want you to take anything personally either, but something is just not getting through. And I'm not sure if its playstyle or alignment, but it makes it very hard for me to communicate/play. I'm not leaving, but I am going to back off a bit and let some others sound off. One can only take so much back-and-forth on things they believe are crystal clear.

Spoiler:

Please read my wiki page

I think I can't hold on anymore either. for now.

Please do not use the black spoiler bars. Changed to the other spoiler tags

[Frozen Angel]

some Christmas miracle

My vote maybe ?

Intent to hammer

As I said I'm ok with both of them (Supercool - Acryon )

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: golden009

for obvious reasons.

[Frozen Angel]

Seriously RC, your really claiming it?

This is not one of your acts?

VOTE: Titus

[Frozen Angel]

not really ...

[Frozen Angel]

test successful. Your not a scum!RC .

you scum version would try to explain your moves completely without hesitation. Town!RC never drop his ongoing tests or acts middle way.

lets lynch titus!

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: unvote

As some may have guessed, I am not in fact cop, nor do I have a guilty on Titus.

I'm still processing what happened so I'm not anywhere near a verdict yet, but I'm thinking FA and BJI are both scum.

I told you ... I guessed your fake claiming ...

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you surprised?!

your claim was really absurd ...

the way you claimed made me think about your scum game.

[Frozen Angel]

You really wanna push this forward don't you?

[Frozen Angel]

Also, there's a huge difference between fakeclaiming and reaction testing.

I did not intend to see Titus lynched today and went to great pains to ensure that it did not happen.

you know that there is a possibility for having a real pr in your wagon , don't you think that?

I really must say this, loud RC?

you just vandalized the town by that fake claim.

[Frozen Angel]

RRRRRRRRRRRCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

open your eyes...

[Frozen Angel]

oh god I'm soft claiming a pr. that was I was sure that your not really a cop and for god sake don't ask me why I didn't counter claimed you because that means a hard claim ...

[Frozen Angel]

I won't say

[Frozen Angel]

I won't hard claim my role. But RC is town.

[Frozen Angel]

You are going to die tonight anyway,

Am I?

[Frozen Angel]

I might or might not be a cop. what am i? and please don't answer this , its for mafia

[Frozen Angel]

If FA is about to claim cop, weird. Initial reaction to RC's crap doesn't look like a cop to me ttttttttttbbbbbbbbbbbhhhhhhh.

I soft claimed something (not surly cop). that's it. I won't talk about my role and my result anymore. I said what was enough.

its late here , good night.

[Frozen Angel]

I need to sleep.

I'm assuming you checked me because of my hammer :\

i'm not going to talk about it anymore ... at least today.

FA, where are your reads at at the moment?

I really like to lynch bji .

[Frozen Angel]

no one has the right to hammer

[Frozen Angel]

I won't vote to make sure I'm the last one voting. I will make a read list before night for sure

[Frozen Angel]

RC I want your reads on everyone atm. please

[Frozen Angel]

I won't hard claim my role. But RC is town.

And FA claims to have a town result on RC.

well actually about that ...

....

I was a bit drunk.

I just knew RC was not the cop. I don't know if he is town or not as an information ... I just felt his act makes him likely town [ sorry ]

[Frozen Angel]

I know I fucking screwed up last night.

never play this game when your not sober => noted

[Frozen Angel]

I just knew RC was not the cop. I don't know if he is town or not as an information ... I just felt his act makes him likely town [ sorry ]

Please explain. How does RC's act "make him likely town"?

Do you think that fake claims are in general town behavior?

Have you ever fake claimed as town (and not at L-1, I mean unprompted like that)?

Well first I wasn't thinking properly. I played with scum RC before. He won't risk that attention on himself when he is scum.

no. but their no alignment indicative.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=63853

[Frozen Angel]

Have you ever fake claimed as town (and not at L-1, I mean unprompted like that)?

this ^

I soft claimed day 2 - found scum in day 3 trying to counter claim me. Hard claimed my real role then fake claimed 1 shot BP. when town didn't achive no lynch I had a 50-50 chance to save their target.

[Frozen Angel]

I know my role I know if its beneficial for town to hard claim it or not.

so please stop role fishing and play your game if your town.

w8 , I think your not.

VOTE: Acryon

note : If I died tonight you can analyze the real clues I put there in my posts. I'm sure I did that enough . So you might wanna judge me after the game?

[Frozen Angel]

I scum readed you and supercool separately. and I was thinking about a very possible scum team there. don't mix things up.

I was drunk :/ yeah I'm sorry about sof claim. But no , I won't hand claim now and I know its not beneficial for town.

[Frozen Angel]

When you saw my flip you can talk dig my results. I wrote them already and I will make sure I'm writing them before night happens.

I know that I won't make it till tomorrow.

[Frozen Angel]

or not?

[Frozen Angel]

Its not optimal. and you don't know why until you see my flip. No role fishing town. I won't hard claim.

and NO you can go back and see that I was scumreading you because of your awful sheeping me behind bji reason.

But I was really scumreading Super and I'm really ashamed of it.

[Frozen Angel]

But I already said enough. Only scum wants to know more details atm.

go back and see what I claimed.

Your seriously trying hard to make me confess the role. I won't give the scum the satisfaction.

in situation A ) They will know everything after my flip

in situation B ) I will hard claim tomorrow

fair enough?

[Frozen Angel]

But I already said all my info.

I just not stated my definite PR ....

[Frozen Angel]

Acryon, you're town.

Thoughts on BJI?

why I'm really scum reading him

[Frozen Angel]

and I need to go , sorry everyone.

[Frozen Angel]

I said I want the hammer vote remember?

and I was testing acryon.

I want a reason why he wants my exact role.

[Frozen Angel]

why are you town reading him?

[Frozen Angel]

I already told you reasons why...

and those are absurd. I already shared my reads. thats all town need atm

[Frozen Angel]

My hard claim will clear SO MUCH.

I won't do that for scum.

[Frozen Angel]

You will understand tonight as well ?

It won't help town today as I already shared my result. I promise that.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: fa
lets go b o i s

I'm town

[Frozen Angel]

You will understand tonight as well ?

It won't help town today as I already shared my result. I promise that.

How will it not help? We don't believe you right now. You're the shadiest person in the game and your green-check was on the second shadiest person in the game. Forgive me if we require more info from you for you to be believed.

i'm shadiest people? I'm the only one who role claimed and Told her results ... are you blind or ignoring my last posts?

Seriously I was thinking you really can't see my really obvious leads in my last posts?

Why are you asking for me stating that again? Its obviously scum motivated to be sure what your dealing with at night. scums not like my WIFOM's don't they?

I already soft claimed my role - and I already stated my night results.

[Frozen Angel]

AND I DEFINITELY WON'T SAY MORE.

you can see my flip or take my hard claim tomorrow.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm sorry but how exactly is softclaiming a role not shady? Why would it matter to scum what they are dealing with at night? They hear you are a PR and boom, you're dead. That's that. It's not like they can find out exactly what PR you are and kill you harder.

DUH

What if they can't kill me at all?! I won't tell them if they can or they can't <= WIFOM.

and this is interesting because I already stated my result (not telling a not guilty on RC) something else. if your blind town that's not my problem.
if your scum you need to die.

AND I DEFINITELY WON'T SAY MORE.

you can see my flip or take my hard claim tomorrow.

If you're going to make us waste time getting you to the point of lynching before you claim then fine I guess, but I'd rather us not waste all that time.

Are you threatening me?

[Frozen Angel]

Town has all my info and can work with that today.

[Frozen Angel]

My flip in the other hand. It won't help town at all and I definitely refuse to share that info.

[Frozen Angel]

I won't claim today.

[Frozen Angel]

And I know I'm doing this in town favor.

[Frozen Angel]

Urgh.

I'm setting town up for some real consternation later down the line.

Maybe FA should in fact claim today.

Yes, she should. She f'd up in the first place by softclaiming, but now we need the hardclaim or this whole day is screwed.

Its not. maybe scum night would be screwed. but today... nah ...


NOTE : I NEVER CLAIMED COP SO FAR (I MIGHT BE ONE OR NOT) . PLEASE DON'T TRY TO FORCE ME TO HARD CLAIM .

BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN TOWN FAVOR. thx!

[Frozen Angel]

The issue is that we can't ignore her for today. I'm surely not going to. I let the town walk into a stupid lynch yesterday instead of going after FA, and I'm not interested in letting that happen again. There have been so many diversions that this game has been a cakewalk for scum so far.

I'm town. I was town yesterday. I'm town right now. try to prove that I'm scum and I will give you valid reasons why I'm not.

STOP THIS BULLSHIT ON ME.

[Frozen Angel]

SEE ACRYON YOUR NOT SEEING IT.

GO BACK AND REREAD.

I SAID WHY I KNEW RC IS LYING WITH HIS CLAIM . AND I ANSWERED WHY I THOUGHT TRUSTING HIM IS MY BEST OPTION ATM.

YOU SAW NEITHER.

SO GO BACK AND REREAD. I ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS YOUR ASKING ME.

[Frozen Angel]

Its not itttttttt

ooooo...ssss

That was the reason of my soft claim which I shouldn't done at all ....

[Frozen Angel]

I said my reason why I thought trusting RC is my best option atm ................

why are you mixing everything up?

pedit : nah

[Frozen Angel]

you need to move off my wagon to do something right.

pressuring me is not in towns favor. I already said enough clues. my hard claim is not the best option for town.

[Frozen Angel]

mala is in my slight-scum-lean because of her active lurking.

Honestly the only thing I saw from her was buddying me last day.

pedit : I'm gonna seriously kill myself after this game ...

You guys are not even seeing the claim I did , are you?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not hard claiming

[Frozen Angel]

move on

[Frozen Angel]

Stop being blind ... and think!

I said I knew RC was not cop.

that means I'm cop?

End of discussion. I won't say anything else. even if you lynch me. i really don't care a town loose if town is really that stupid to lynch me.

good night. I really need some sleep.

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

You know who I checked last night. you know what was the result. you know I'm not claiming cop.


I'm happy with acryon lynch.

[Frozen Angel]

You can even conclude my role.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't understand your issue with claiming at this point.

Because your not even noticing what am I claiming ...

Just claim, frozen.

or what? I won't help scum

[Frozen Angel]

I need some sleep.

and I will literally ignore any other requests of hard claim from now on. I will hard claim when I see that necessary.

good night everyone.

[Frozen Angel]

As adorable as FA's anti town play is I need a claim from her.

I'm playing for my wincon.

No, town!you don't. Scum!you does. are you scum?