Mini 1758: Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

i once choked on a tictac.

vote tictac

[curiouskarmadog]

PS..Hi CKD. I haven't seen you in a million years! Elyse, too.

Hello again, yeah I quit for a couple years...now I am strictly playing one game at a time.

[curiouskarmadog]

If you know what movie that is from I won't lynch you today

it is clearly a porn.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote
vote Uptoolate

[curiouskarmadog]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Triple post is a no-no

Short introduction: I have six or eight completed FM games under my belt from elsewhere on the web. I know Cakez from these games, and that's why I invited him to join me in this game. I have dropped out of two games due to RL on Mafiascum. Once I adjust to the meta here, I should be good to go. GL all

LOL, then you better just keep that vote on me for the rest of the game.

[curiouskarmadog]

It's not the joke. It's the mindset behind the joke. (forgetting the vote)
It's the wanting to keep on joking instead of getting the fuck out of RVS.

like the cut of this one jib.

[curiouskarmadog]

Extending the RVS unneccesarily.

how was I extending RVS? There was nothing yet I could use to take us out of RVS

I think it is starting.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote
vote Uptoolate

Please use the vote tag in your post-a-reply settings. Thank you!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: uptoolate

[curiouskarmadog]

UNVOTE:

/yawn.

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UpTooLate

Why?
Check the ISO.

What about it do you think is scummy?

It is easy to say "check the ISO" but what about it do YOU find scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

Did you check it, CKD?

Did you check it, CKD?

I am curious, do you know who i was voting before I unvoted (hint: should answer your question).

[curiouskarmadog]

Did you check it, CKD?

Did you check it, CKD?

I am curious, do you know who i was voting before I unvoted (hint: should answer your question).

not sure why that quoted twice.

but at any rate, do you really think he is scum? if so why would someone who is supposedly town, not put up a case, but instead says "read the ISO". who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

[curiouskarmadog]

Actually go with me on this.

VOTE: Tictac

what kind of weird power do you have here?

My gut is to vote one of those two who quickly joined you...however, I am curious, what are your thoughts on the two that joined you?

[curiouskarmadog]

What's wrong with joining a wagon?

good point

VOTE: SirCakez

[curiouskarmadog]

They're my scumpartners.

we're yolo wagoning everyone.

so no opinion then?

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who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

Every single post by Camn pings my gut

[curiouskarmadog]

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating this tomorrow

[curiouskarmadog]

Here, got 20 minutes or so. going back to page 13. this will catch up as a catch up post and notes for me to look back if I need to. I quote as I read.

Why does RC only have 2 votes? He's literally just flipflopped between Tictac and Camn, and in between joked about being scum. There is literally nothing of substance, he's just hiding behind Camn and Tictac's interaction making comments about it.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

dont like this vote. what would the scum motivation be for this?
EDIT Elyse concurs (329)

[quote="In Something I noticed from curiouskarmadog:

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

I think that posts like these, where he's asking for elaboration are a little ironic considering:

Every single post by Camn pings my gut

unvote
vote Uptoolate

For that, an FoS.

calling bullshit here. first of all, something SC said here didnt make sense giving his vote. I was trying to catch him in a lie. and yes...I did vote UTL, what I find funny/scummy here is that instead of asking me why, you just gave me an "FOS". why are you not concerned witht he "why" of the vote?

I'm also really not liking CKD right now. His ISO is full of questions he doesn't follow up on, naked votes that go nowhere and generally look like he's trying to blend in.

what questions? You mean the one I asked you? You mean the I asked before I got busy and couldnt post? you mean that fucking question?

@Everyone
Are you townreading SirCakez?

If you answered yes, explain why.
If you answered no, vote him.

Thank you.

why r u ordering me around.

why not answer the question? I want to say this is a scummy post, but I think scum would just ignore it. soooo, why are you being obtuse? do you think that is helpful?
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going to break up this post so it isnt a wall that people will ignore.

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Pause.

ika lurks as scum.

I am 99.99% sure he is scum.

It's his biggest tell and he does it without fail.

VOTE: ika

Please follow me here. I promise.

I forgot ika was in this game until Cakez reminded me. (Cakez this will give you townpoints. Hop on!)

man I had you on TeamTown until this. IF cakes flips scum, then this looks suspicious has hell.

[curiouskarmadog]

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

and this....except worse. take responsibility for your own vote.

Elyse, what game did you develop this meta from? have you been in games with him that he lurks as town?

[curiouskarmadog]

what the fuck is this random ika wagon for a lurker a thing versus someone who is actually scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD I mean these questions.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

/yawn.

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UpTooLate

Why?
Check the ISO.

What about it do you think is scummy?

It is easy to say "check the ISO" but what about it do YOU find scummy?

They're my scumpartners.

we're yolo wagoning everyone.

so no opinion then?

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

the first three I got answers..they were shitty ones but there was no point in following up. I got the info. I was looking for. the last one, I asked and havent posted content sense.

when someone says this is scummy, it pings the HELL out of my radar.

Person A: Question asked.
Person A leaves games
Person B: Answers question (sort of)
Person A is still too busy to check out thread.
Person B: "Look how scummy Person A is for not following up on this question"

that is a scummy attack and looks like you are just trying to find any reason to validate suspicion.

why are we not lynching this guy?

[curiouskarmadog]

calling bullshit here. first of all, something SC said here didnt make sense giving his vote. I was trying to catch him in a lie. and yes...I did vote UTL, what I find funny/scummy here is that instead of asking me why, you just gave me an "FOS". why are you not concerned witht he "why" of the vote?

Why is it my responsibility to ask you to explain your own naked vote? If you say nothing else, I'm going to assume there's nothing else.

I'm also really not liking CKD right now. His ISO is full of questions he doesn't follow up on, naked votes that go nowhere and generally look like he's trying to blend in.

what questions? You mean the one I asked you? You mean the I asked before I got busy and couldnt post? you mean that fucking question?

That's a whole lotta bluster for a post that didn't really deserve it. No one knew that you were busy until you said it here. We all just saw the phenotype that Cakez encapsulates here. I feel like you're trying to quell Cakez by barking at him so he won't keep pushing you.

Will compare Cakez and ika and offer my opinion on the lynch in next post.

Interesting response. "it is not my responsibility" It has nothing to do with responsibility and everything to do with motivation. You clearly were not motivated is discover scum. Either you were not concerned with my motivation for the vote or what I saw that I thought deserved a vote. This is noted.

"whole lot of bluster" HA. thats my bag baby. I didnt get this title for making tea a cookies. I see something that is complete and utter bullshit and I call it like I see it.

finally, looking forward to your Cake and ika comparison. I havent looked yet, but if I had money I would bet that at the end of ika will get the vote.

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VOTE: ika

well shit that was the hammer. if ika flips scum i know I will look bad.

wish loki could have post that Cake/ika comparison before this hammer.

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also, if you havent been able to tell yet, I really dont proofread, sorry for grammar mistakes.

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least ckd is obvtown

wtf?

why the fuck would you say this during twilight..unprovoked?

if I die tonight, it is your fault...fuck.

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just saw this was open. going to see what I missed.

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okay...need to go back a read acryon and reevaluate the wagon on ika from Day 1.

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okay catching up, will post as I read.

at the end of yesterday, didnt like Uptoolate, Loki, SCakes. Had a hard read on SCakes as scum, and the counter wagon off of Cakes onto ika by Elyse (also tictac vote) looked horrible. much worse now we know ika is town. Also had open question to Loki that did not get answered and I guess is moot now.

New day.

Elyse full throttle on SCakes push. (546)
SirCakes full throttle on tictac push (547)
camn votes SC (548)
tictac votes farmer (550)

The night kill tracks back to RC I think. Acryon was one of the only people scumreading him.
P-Edit: Is that a scumslip from Farmer?

i approve of nightkill analysis (will do so after I get caught up on today), but why the hell are you interacting with tictac, if you feel tictac is scum? this post looks like you are trying to convince tictac of farmer being scum. furthermore, if you think the night kill points at RC, why are you voting tictac? I dont know, this post screams stretching...for anything. I just dont know if it is scum trying to throw anything at the wall that sticks and you really are scum hunting. actions speak louder than words.

I agree tictac.. What do you think about Cakez immediately going after people on the wagon tho?

I also think that wagon is scummy (though for different reasons than SC) am I scummy too?

If I was scum and ika was a counterwagon to me, then why did Elyse, someone who was vehemently scumreading me, start that wagon?

right….and when/if you flip scum? I imagine there is your partner.

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

this is actually a good point.

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

I take objection to misrepping what dead people said.
Quoting the rest of that post.

This isn't alignment-indicative

, but I think the rest of the town needs to be careful of buying into the confidence as opposed to the case. It's Day 1 people; any person that has an incredible scum-case on a player is lying to you.

he said that though when he didnt know what ika was going to flip

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stopped following votes on SC (note to self: check to see who else voted)

breaking post up so it is not a wall. still reading the rest of today.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mafia Player votes SC

Yeah I think my scumreads are good right now.

seems like you have a problem with me voting you.

Why is that?

what is the purpose of this question?

Elyse, SRMP, RC scumteam maybe. Acryon kill points to all three of them. Not sure where tictac fits in there though.
P-Edit: Because you ignored my request for reads and dropped a terrible naked vote.

do you think that the the scum team would all be voting you? Have you ever in the history of you playing saw a scum team vote this way? I am having trouble believing you believe this.

TicTac do you think that Elyse's destructive confidence is scum-indicative?

I'm not afraid it will dissipate. I don't actually expect anyone to hammer (though I wouldn't be opposed to it), I was just expressing how strong my scumread on you is.

Oh wow cake is entirely right.

VOTE: Elyse

what in the second quoted post (and a minute later) made you change your mind on Elyse's confidence being scum-indicative? Literally nothing changed. If you had problems swallowing that during the first quote, how did the second convince you?

Elyse may be offended if you label us as a team like I'm her equal.

Please don't use such phrasings.

i got it..stop.

I don't see what's wrong with interacting with scumreads. Especially now that I'm less certain of my Tictac scumread.

you werent "less certain" at the time of the interaction. so this is a disingenuous post. you were at the time of the post PUSHING that tictac was scum. but as soon as tictac pushing something (that isnt you) you start testing the waters with him. man...you almost had me that you could be town.

- -
alright caught up.

I am in agreement with RC, I think the odds of SCakes being scum is good. Back and forth on Elyse being his partner.

that being said, I dont understand the acroyn kill.

going to go back and read yesterday with new knowledge.

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Elyse, quick question. is RC town?

[curiouskarmadog]

Elyse, quick question. is RC town?

just a yes, no, dont know is all i need

[curiouskarmadog]

Yeah I've seen scumteams wagon together off site. And that scum team just makes way too much sense to me.
And I already said I interact with scumreads, so that last part makes no sense.

You: think X is scummy.
X: thinks Y is scummy and vote Y.
You: you then explain why Z is scummy and ask X if Y scum slipped.

If you really believed that X is scummy, why would you value anything X had to say about Y?

it doesnt make sense from someone who is supposedly town, especially in your position.

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Mafia Player votes SC

Yeah I think my scumreads are good right now.

seems like you have a problem with me voting you.

Why is that?

what is the purpose of this question?

Mafia Player. second request to answer this question.

also, why did you avoid it the first time.

[curiouskarmadog]

The purpose of the question was because he seems bothered about my vote on him when there are a bunch of other votes on him and im interested in why he singles mine out specifically.

Yeah I think my scumreads are good right now.

seems like you have a problem with me voting you.

Why is that?

"he singles mine out specifically"

please work me through your line of thinking when SCakes says "me SCUMREADS are good right now" that made you think he was singling you out?

[curiouskarmadog]

if he provided reasons for not liking others, how is he singling you out?

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VOTE: Sircakez

I'll take that as a no.

Yeah my RC town read is dead. Way too much sheeping, no pushing any reads, acryon kill makes a ton of sense from scum RC.
I'll do a new reads list soon.

?

[curiouskarmadog]

here is where I am at with you..I think you need to have a reason to be voting SCakes. I dont know if you are trying to push a quick lynch on a town...or if you are bussing a partner. but something about your vote and continued vote is pinging my radar. it does not feel genuine.

[curiouskarmadog]

i am trying to figure out if you are town and you believe what you area saying, or if I caught you in a untruth.

[curiouskarmadog]

ckd is mafia role cop

think that out a bit, I would love to explain why you are wrong, but it is not very protown for me to do so at this point in the game. all I asked you to do, was stop doing what you were doing. figure out why.

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UNVOTE: sircakez

annnnnd, that was a waste of my fucking time.

I just went back to completely catch you in a lie and found this.

soooooo...

i literally just spent an hour, reading your iso and evaluating your relationship with Sircakes, based on the fact I thought you were still voting him for bullshit reasoning I didnt think you really believed. but you are not still voting him..not sure how i missed that.

[curiouskarmadog]

no i understand exactly what you're doing, I assure you.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

Elyse, can you help me out here please.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD is the scum role cop and gets lynched today.

VOTE: CKD

god I was hoping you were being brilliant.

[curiouskarmadog]

if this is anti-town so be it. but now I just pissed.

I was going back and forth on if Elyse was scum or not.

RC has been dropping hints (I think) that she is a Mason with Elyse?

that is why I asked her to stop...it was getting obvious.

that is why I asked Elyse if you were town.

if she said "no" or "I dont know" I would have voted her.

but she said yes. that that confirmed it for me.


now you are being a (EDIT). if you thought I was a mafia (ANYTHING) why the fuck would be I be say anything in game? Wouldnt I just say it in their thread?

i thought for a second you might be brilliant, by saying I was "scummy" knowing I was indeed town, to make me look less so.

but clearly that was too much credit.

[curiouskarmadog]

Agreed.
Im not buying that pile of mason crap.

really?

well what exactly am I doing then?

why do you think RC is voting me?

[curiouskarmadog]

The CKD I know doesn't softclaim as town. Period.

I didnt soft claim anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

Orly.

post where I softclaimed anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

post it, post where you think I softclaimed NOW.

[curiouskarmadog]

????

omg..

I was going back and forth on if Elyse was scum or not.

RC has been dropping hints (I think) that she is a Mason with Elyse?

that is why I asked her to stop...it was getting obvious.

that is why I asked Elyse if you were town.

if she said "no" or "I dont know" I would have voted her.

but she said yes. that that confirmed it for me.

[curiouskarmadog]

LOL

its simple.

i thought RC was dropping crumbs that she was a mason with Elsye. But he just wouldnt stop. So I asked him too.

I was going back and forth if Elyse was scum.

I wasnt sure if RC was actually doing what I thought he was.

so I asked Elsye if RC was town.

if Elyse said "no" or "I dont know", I had decided I was going to vote her.

but she said yes. which I took to mean that they were indeed masons.

I let it go and put them in my town category.


until RC showed up and voted me.

I still think RC is town, but he is being incredibly daft right now.

[curiouskarmadog]

i guess he assumed that I figured out he was a mason with Elyse because I am a role cop? Not the fucking NUMEROUS indications in this game..which is why I asked him to stop.

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Why would you even dig into those crumbs?
Went back and looked at the posts and I think I get it now.

I didnt really....I asked RC to stop. like a nod, saying I get it already...stop now.

I thought Elyse was scum though...so all I did was ask if RC was town....if my guess was correct, then I was going the wrong way with my Elyse suspicion.

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Please, CKD. You might have fooled me with that in 2009. But not now.

you still fucking think I soft claimed masons!

why exactly do you think RC is voting me?

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I get why RC is voting me (this is going to come down to a difference of playstyles that I really want to discuss end game)...

but you (camn) have no clue why you are voting me.

explain EXACTLY your vote, and why you are voting me. I dont believe for a second you think I softclaimed masons.

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and now CKD is trying to make sure EVERYONE IN THIS GAME understands that me and Elyse are masons together.

Like I can't imagine how low my opinion of you would be if you were town here.

well now I feelings are hurt....I am being sort of serious here.

you do see where I asked you stop crumbing right? my problem now, is I get angry easily. it is now a principle thing. if I knew you were a fucking mason as scum, why the fuck WOULD I BRING IT UP HERE? you are not thinking it out. I asked you to stop and confirmed my guess with Elyse, so I knew to leave it alone. YOU are the fucking one to bring it back up.

[curiouskarmadog]

[curiouskarmadog]

you publicly outed two people whom you believed to be masons.

show me where I outed anybody BEFORE you voted me.

[curiouskarmadog]

who gives a shit whether you voted me?

is your response when someone you think is a mason votes you to yell HEY EVERYTHING THESE GUYS ARE PROBABLY MASONS?

I didnt vote you.

that is not exactly what happened.

i was trying to explain to you why you were wrong.

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i thought you didnt understand what I did (I guess you still dont), I tried to explain it.

i was getting frustrated.

It is one thing when someone who is scum is attacking you. it is another when someone who you think is town is attacking you. I tried to explain it without saying anything. but you just kept at it. I was like "why is he not getting it?"...."I am town and I know he is town, why wont he just go back a read what I said when I said it". I got more and more angry.

fuck

yeah, I guess you are ultimately right.

I should have just taken to vote and not said anything. I guess it was the principle of the vote...

ugh.

whatever.

Guess I am mostly embarrassed and tried to save face(?). I am town, but I get it at this point....policy...

[curiouskarmadog]

On phone.

Omg I didn't try to out anybody at first (go back and read what happened).

Anyway I will claim. I really wish I wasnt in this position. No doubt RC will again give me shit for my role given what he perceived I did.

I am the tracker. No one seemed to question why I didn't hammer Scakes today when I was so hot on lynching him yesterday. I tracked him last night and he did nothing. Does mean he is town, but he didn't perform a kill. Go ahead and hammer, I am dead either way. Scum won't allow me to live tonight.

Please go back and read what actually happened tomorrow. And look who joined my fucking wagon and for what reasons! Fuck came is voting me because she thinks I claimed masons for God stakes. There is no way she really believes that.

Good luck town.

[curiouskarmadog]

"Doesn't mean he is town"

[curiouskarmadog]

Came =camn

[curiouskarmadog]

Listen tictac- CKD is an experienced player. He was softclaiming investigative, which I would buy from a newbie....but he knows as well as anyone that softclaims are scummy.
Now he is full claiming, and it is horeshit.
I still wanna Lynch him.

Let's.

You saw in our newbie....a softclaiming is an obvious thing. Which CKD knows. He was setting up this 'claim'.

He is scum. There are no masons.

VOTE: camn

You first said I was soft claim masons

Then you said I soft claimed investigative.

I have fucking done none of this. Please lynch this tomorrow. My wagon is such crap.

[curiouskarmadog]

YOU said you softclaims masons.
I said nothing.
Your ploys are obvious.

omg...this is my wagon. I DID NOT SOFT CLAIM ANYTHING..fucking read the game.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont believe you havent read.

I caught you in a bullshit reason for your vote and now you cant back out.

(walking away for a bit)

[curiouskarmadog]

doesn't make sense as actual target.
I'm no longer opposed to karma lynch.

camns angle to it is still nonsense thou.

I thought he was scum, if he would have made ANY TYPE of move last night, everyone would have been singing my praises today. who would you have targeted?

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anyway, I am as good as dead, if I dont die today, I will get killed tonight. if scum is fucking dumb enough NOT to kill me tonight, you can bet your ass I will see a rope tomorrow. RC doesnt want me to go to LYLO, there is absolutely no way I can get to LYLO. At this point in the game, I dont want to get to LYLO scum would fucking see me lynched so easy. If I was scum, i would have claimed something like a doc (where there is no way to test my ability) or cop (to earn some friends)...(among other reasons). anything else, but a tracker. It is a lose lose scum fake claim. Now I could be a scum tracker...I guess that could be a possibility, but even then I would have fake claimed doc...or cop...or anything else.

[curiouskarmadog]

No, you do not go to LyLo.

I get that.

[curiouskarmadog]

no i understand exactly what you're doing, I assure you.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

Elyse, can you help me out here please.

This is not a newbie game, and you aren't some rookie. This shit is intentional.
The only question is if you and RC are partners and planned this.

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

And I also can't believe you are letting CKD softclaim and then walk away.
You really think that CKD pulls a power role ( I figured he was softclaiming Cop, tbh) and then drops super obvious hints about it to you in thread? No way. This is all a setup, and he should hang.

LYNCH ALL LIARS

you first said you were voting me because you thought I softclaimed masons (you first indicated it was with RC..then Elsye?).

when it was shown to you that was bullshit and you were just trying jump on my wagon to speed lynch me... you came back with you are voting me because I was softclaiming cop.

WHERE? show the post where I softclaim cop.


it is not there because I didnt do it.

you know I am a town and a tracker and you want me dead.

your scum buddies will have to kill me tonight camn..let lynch this scum.

scum will kill me tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Cowbells...no change from my last list.
CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.
When you were spouting "its anti-town for me to explain"... That's a softclaim. You know it. I know it. There are no masons. You are no tracker. You were hoping Cowbells would buy your softclaim and back off. You failed.

Incidentally, Cowbells is no cop, either.

more lies. is there a reason you didnt quote the post? here I will do it.

if this is anti-town so be it. but now I just pissed.

I was going back and forth on if Elyse was scum or not.

RC has been dropping hints (I think) that she is a Mason with Elyse?

that is why I asked her to stop...it was getting obvious.

that is why I asked Elyse if you were town.

if she said "no" or "I dont know" I would have voted her.

but she said yes. that that confirmed it for me.


now you are being a (EDIT). if you thought I was a mafia (ANYTHING) why the fuck would be I be say anything in game? Wouldnt I just say it in their thread?

i thought for a second you might be brilliant, by saying I was "scummy" knowing I was indeed town, to make me look less so.

but clearly that was too much credit.

this is where I am softclaiming cop? why couldnt you quote the post where you say I am softclaiming cop? BECAUSE IT DIDNT FUCKING HAPPEN. now you are backed into a corner for your shitty vote on my hot bandwagon

CONFIRM MY VOTE ON CAMN.

please someone else call her out on this lie....

[curiouskarmadog]

to prove my point further.

she actually voted me BEFORE THAT POST

UNVOTE:
VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Shut up Cakez.

her reasoning to vote me was a lie.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.

If you were scum, and they looked like scum, why would you nightkill them?

it took me a second to figure out what you were talking about here.

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

LYNCH ALL LIARS

you first said you were voting me because you thought I softclaimed masons (you first indicated it was with RC..then Elsye?).

when it was shown to you that was bullshit and you were just trying jump on my wagon to speed lynch me... you came back with you are voting me because I was softclaiming cop.

WHERE? show the post where I softclaim cop.

what am i "misunderstanding on purpose"?

which lie you going with camn?

were you saying that I softclaimed RC and I were mason.

or were you referencing, that RC and I were scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

Camn, when did he crumb cop? The reason explaining would have been anti town was because he would have outed potential masons.

Tictac, this. Also camn knew what I was talking about at the time because she originally voted me because she said I claimed masons. When I pointed out that was a lie/incorrect she changed it to I was claiming cop. She keeps changing her reasoning.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.

No..this is exactly how I read the whole exchange.

This is a complete lie. I have posted multiple times where she said u was claiming masons.

[curiouskarmadog]

U=I
On phone

[curiouskarmadog]

Furthermore when super mafia called her out (last page) she then changed it again by saying she was saying something else. Fuck. She keeps lying. Clearly she is scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.

No..this is exactly how I read the whole exchange.

HERE is what happened WHEN it happened.

- - -

Agreed.
Im not buying that pile of mason crap.

The CKD I know doesn't softclaim as town. Period.

The CKD I know doesn't softclaim as town. Period.

I didnt soft claim anything.

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

post it, post where you think I softclaimed NOW.

no i understand exactly what you're doing, I assure you.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

Elyse, can you help me out here please.

This is not a newbie game, and you aren't some rookie. This shit is intentional.
The only question is if you and RC are partners and planned this.

she clearly THEN thought I was claiming masons (NOT COP). only when I called her out on her bad reasoning for a vote, she changed her fucking reasoning.


she did not read the "WHOLE EXCHANGE" that way.


fuck


i am super frustrated right now. and for the fucking record, I didnt initially start out anti-town. quite the opposite. I asked RC to stop crumbing. I only outed my beliefs AFTER RC voted me...and even then, i tried to be discrete at first. in the end though I did end up being anti-town..so I guess how it started doesnt matter.


but what no one is asking themselves is ...WHY THE FUCK AS SCUM WOULD SET OUT TO OUT MASONS IN GAME? I would have noted that shit and offed who i thought was masons at night...if I was scum, outing masons in the game WOULD ONLY HURT SCUM.

fuck

g H;QCO8

[curiouskarmadog]

LOL...

hit the keyboard and posted to early.


okay I need to take a break from this game.

fucking pissed.

lynch me today and save scum the kill tonight.

whatever

walking away from this until friday.

[curiouskarmadog]

walking away from this until friday.

I will try to get to this today. I need to read through what has been said...

[curiouskarmadog]

Just checking in. On phone. I have a result of a person "not visiting someone last night" this person is currently is in this game and is not Elyse or Scakes. I want EVERYONE to chime in. As I don't want to get fucking blamed for outing (even a vt) anyone again. Do you want this result?

[curiouskarmadog]

So include your why or why not.

[curiouskarmadog]

That should read "also include"

[curiouskarmadog]

What the fuck? We are not lynching Elyse today. the reasons should be obvious. Why the fuck is no one reading this game?

Vote coming after I finish reading.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am curious Loki , do you know what a mason is?

[curiouskarmadog]

it is obvious she is.

why would Elyse(town)(who was not a mason) let RC (who Elyse DOESNT know the alignment of) act the way he did yesterday without a.) voting him or b.) at least saying she doesnt know what he was talking about.

We are not lynching Elyse today.

[curiouskarmadog]

it is also, pretty obvious that both of you are town...

or scum together (doubt it).

[curiouskarmadog]

what I dont understand is the acroyn kill. if you take Elyse/RC out of the picture, the only other person he attacked was tictac.

If tictac-Sircakez isn't TvT, the scum is tictac. Tictac talked about having no pressure on him, but then bothered to answer each of sircakez points on him with an individual response per quote. I'm not sure an unworried person does that.

Sorry that question didn't quite work out how you wanted it to Tictac.

Sorry that question didn't quite work out how you wanted it to Tictac.

Nah. Aside for the false dichotomy that's a good answer.
Didn't expect you to be scumreading him after 434.

What's your read on camn?

I don't think it was a false dichotomy. You acted like you weren't at all bothered by it, but then made a point to address every little thing he mentioned. For someone who didn't think there was any pressure on him, you sure respected it a lot enough to respond as you did.

I find camn hard to read. I think others are having trouble with her playstyle and calling her scum. I don't know one way or the other at this point. There's things I like an don't like.

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

You believe it's valid enough to have literally zero other reasoning?

And why do you strongly townread her?

if I was scum with camn, I would not have killed acroyn because it seemed that he was one of the only people NOT attacking camn, almost (but not quite) defending him. You have to get rid of a threat...the only other person acryon was attacking was tictac.

acryon attacked tictac’s play (and interaction with cakes) and his crappy vote on the IkaTOWN wagon.

also from yesterday:

Karma-wagon reads like a policy lynch on someone who has played pretty decently so far and then made a single (albeit large) mistake.
He is far from confscum.

I'd be up for a camn wagon instead.

oh really? why no vote?

then, when the momentum became leaning toward camn, I suddenly became a scum lean.

Cakes:
The push on me day 1 was too convenient, specially since he didn't put energy into trying to push anything before he got heat on him.
Also the points he raised were largely about disagreeing with the things I said. Agree/disagree scumreading tends to be a scumtell.
Ika wagon was too fast and makes sense as scum trying to get heat off him.
On the other hand I like his read progression on day 2.
scumlean.

ckd:
770 actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.
"it's anti-town for me to explain" reads like "it would be anti-town to outright say I think you guys are masons". Not seeing a soft there.
Cakes target doesn't make sense from an experienced player. Targetting Cakes when there was practically no chance he would be chosen to make a nightkill. While it's true he could have gotten a scum PR with it, the chances of getting an usable result were higher for practically any other player. It's not like using tracking on scumreads makes much sense even if they aren't widely scumread. Info roles in general are better suited sorting players who can't be otherwise sorted (nulls). As an experienced player ckd should know this.
On the other hand a claimed VT is a safe target to fakeclaim as scum.
He was reading town to me before this whole hulabaloo thou, and that does count for something.
scumlean

camn:
dislike 'confscum', dislike pushing for early lynch, dislike the softing charge on ckd since the posts she points to do not at all look like a softs to me. She did look better to me on the latter end of day 1, but now she is back at her old scum-ways. Way too much certainty for someone who is actually town. Pushing more with personality than with actual reasons. I like Cakes point about PR speculation.
I did think the ultimatum was towny of her, but it's drowned out by being otherwise scummy.
scum

out of all of his scum leans, he thinks camn is the most scum, but still refuses to vote him.

also, again note the relationship with cakes.

I think if tictac flips scum, Cakes is indeed his partner.


- - -

if the above is too much to read.

tictac was on the ikaTOWN wagon for little reason
acroyn attacked tictac's shitty IkaTOWN vote.
acroyn died (why?)
tictac thought camn was scum, but did not vote him (why?)

VOTE: tictac

[curiouskarmadog]

it is also, pretty obvious that both of you are town...

or scum together (doubt it).

???

I would explain why, but if you are scum together, I am not going to help you.

[curiouskarmadog]

We are not lynching Elyse today, votes there are pointless. We lynch Plain Farmer, SRMP, or myself.

interesting how you completely ignored my tictac case.

[curiouskarmadog]

why?

[curiouskarmadog]

did you read the case? what part did you disagree with?

[curiouskarmadog]

And 607 is outdated as fuck. That was before CKD outed the masons.

what occurred that made you get suspicious of SMRP (again)?

[curiouskarmadog]

can we not lynch today until tictac posts some content?

also

mod: vote count please.

[curiouskarmadog]

His waffling around the camn wagon and awkward hop off.

can you post a quote.

[curiouskarmadog]

Zulfy probably town then. Doubt he'd lolhammer his buddy like that.
SRMP was super awkward getting off the wagon like that. Want to go there tomorrow.
Also Plain Farmer is super shifty for 992.

SRMP, he clearly said this yesterday....sooo, it was obvious he wasnt "starting" to get suspicious of you.

would you have voted him if he would have said "I am starting to get suspicious again?"

[curiouskarmadog]

It seems like the main suspects now are SirCakez, SRMP, and I. No hurry on this, but we could really use your judgment.

also, you are not a main suspect today. or at least I wont be voting you.

[curiouskarmadog]

SRMP, Uptoolate, Zulfy, and farmer.


would like to hear your position on tictac...and my case on him.

[curiouskarmadog]

How have I not made my stance on Cakez clear already?!?!?

where did you state you position on Scakes?

and while you are at it, your position on tictac?

[curiouskarmadog]

add tictac was a big poster, until I pushed a case and then nothing, to another reason I think he is scummy.

[curiouskarmadog]

i shouldnt say nothing, but really light and little content.

[curiouskarmadog]

sure mod.

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE: sircakez

that was quick.

[curiouskarmadog]

I will hammer if needed, but it looks like UpTooLate already said he would.

my preference is tictac.

[curiouskarmadog]

just checking in, nothing has gone down to change my opinion.

as for my reads, I dont typically provide town reads (unless it is just a strong read or a say something in passing). IF I dont mention someone assume I think you are town or null.

as for my scum reads.

tictac is my big read right now. not sure what to think of tictac not hammering scakes. IF scakes flips scum, tictac NEEDS to be lynch tomorrow. Please make this happen if I get offed tonight.

something about Zulfy is bothering me, especially today, he seems....anxious?

Uptoolate is not impressing me...but there is just nothing there to read either way.

I feel like there are a bunch of lurkers in this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

fuck no...

I was blocked(?) last night. Got a "no result", which was different than what I had gotten before. When I asked mod what exactly that meant (I was pretty sure I knew though) since it was different than "he did not visit anyone", he just gave me the "it means what it means" statement [paraphrased].

so why the fuck was I blocked last night but not the night before?...hmm, maybe it was because I pushed a fucking tictac case yesterday?

VOTE: tictac

you are not going to lurk your way out of this day.

THIS is our lynch today.

I want EVERYONE's opinion of tictac TODAY! in your next post.

also, since I am dead tonight. At twilight I am going to give my night 2 result. they "didnt visit anyone" so I am not outing a PR, and that is information I should not die with.

[curiouskarmadog]

hmmmm....if i was a betting man, I would put money on tictac showing up and voting Zulfy too.

Loki, your next post, I want your position on tictac.

[curiouskarmadog]

I want EVERYONE's opinion of tictac TODAY! in your next post.

stance please.

[curiouskarmadog]

also SMRP, I am curious. if you had to guess, why do you think I was blocked last night, but not the night before?

[curiouskarmadog]

here is my case from yesterday (not sure how you missed it)

what I dont understand is the acroyn kill. if you take Elyse/RC out of the picture, the only other person he attacked was tictac.

If tictac-Sircakez isn't TvT, the scum is tictac. Tictac talked about having no pressure on him, but then bothered to answer each of sircakez points on him with an individual response per quote. I'm not sure an unworried person does that.

Sorry that question didn't quite work out how you wanted it to Tictac.

Sorry that question didn't quite work out how you wanted it to Tictac.

Nah. Aside for the false dichotomy that's a good answer.
Didn't expect you to be scumreading him after 434.

What's your read on camn?

I don't think it was a false dichotomy. You acted like you weren't at all bothered by it, but then made a point to address every little thing he mentioned. For someone who didn't think there was any pressure on him, you sure respected it a lot enough to respond as you did.

I find camn hard to read. I think others are having trouble with her playstyle and calling her scum. I don't know one way or the other at this point. There's things I like an don't like.

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

You believe it's valid enough to have literally zero other reasoning?

And why do you strongly townread her?

if I was scum with camn, I would not have killed acroyn because it seemed that he was one of the only people NOT attacking camn, almost (but not quite) defending him. You have to get rid of a threat...the only other person acryon was attacking was tictac.

acryon attacked tictac’s play (and interaction with cakes) and his crappy vote on the IkaTOWN wagon.

also from yesterday:

Karma-wagon reads like a policy lynch on someone who has played pretty decently so far and then made a single (albeit large) mistake.
He is far from confscum.

I'd be up for a camn wagon instead.

oh really? why no vote?

then, when the momentum became leaning toward camn, I suddenly became a scum lean.

Cakes:
The push on me day 1 was too convenient, specially since he didn't put energy into trying to push anything before he got heat on him.
Also the points he raised were largely about disagreeing with the things I said. Agree/disagree scumreading tends to be a scumtell.
Ika wagon was too fast and makes sense as scum trying to get heat off him.
On the other hand I like his read progression on day 2.
scumlean.

ckd:
770 actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.
"it's anti-town for me to explain" reads like "it would be anti-town to outright say I think you guys are masons". Not seeing a soft there.
Cakes target doesn't make sense from an experienced player. Targetting Cakes when there was practically no chance he would be chosen to make a nightkill. While it's true he could have gotten a scum PR with it, the chances of getting an usable result were higher for practically any other player. It's not like using tracking on scumreads makes much sense even if they aren't widely scumread. Info roles in general are better suited sorting players who can't be otherwise sorted (nulls). As an experienced player ckd should know this.
On the other hand a claimed VT is a safe target to fakeclaim as scum.
He was reading town to me before this whole hulabaloo thou, and that does count for something.
scumlean

camn:
dislike 'confscum', dislike pushing for early lynch, dislike the softing charge on ckd since the posts she points to do not at all look like a softs to me. She did look better to me on the latter end of day 1, but now she is back at her old scum-ways. Way too much certainty for someone who is actually town. Pushing more with personality than with actual reasons. I like Cakes point about PR speculation.
I did think the ultimatum was towny of her, but it's drowned out by being otherwise scummy.
scum

out of all of his scum leans, he thinks camn is the most scum, but still refuses to vote him.

also, again note the relationship with cakes.

I think if tictac flips scum, Cakes is indeed his partner.


- - -

if the above is too much to read.

tictac was on the ikaTOWN wagon for little reason
acroyn attacked tictac's shitty IkaTOWN vote.
acroyn died (why?)
tictac thought camn was scum, but did not vote him (why?)

VOTE: tictac

[curiouskarmadog]

my issue was I wasnt blocked night 2.

when I come out with this case and make a push on tictac, I am suddenly a threat to scum and I am blocked.

[curiouskarmadog]

As for your theory:
-Why would I fail to block you night 2?

a.) I never said YOU failed to block me.

b.) I never said you FAILED to block me.

why are you assuming I thought you were the Roleblocker?

nobody said anything about fails.


All I said was I wasnt blocked Night 2. I never said I thought YOU were the roleblocker, I think you were part of a team,,,but never said YOU


scum slip.


confirm vote tictac.

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: What is your theory on why scum seems to be prioritizing killing conftown over an investigative kill?

you tell me.

[curiouskarmadog]

. Also, why are you scumreading me for speaking out against your lynch?

In your history of playing this game. As scum, have you ever defended town just to get town cred. When did you actually "defend" me? How many votes did I have?

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: What is your theory on why scum seems to be prioritizing killing conftown over an investigative kill?

you tell me.

So the answer doesn't interest you enough to have formed theories?

In your history of playing this game. As scum, have you ever defended town just to get town cred. When did you actually "defend" me? How many votes did I have?

Never played as actual scum. Had a pseudo-SK once, but pretty much played it as town since I still wanted mafia dead.
Defended ya on 786. Ya linked it, so I don't see how you could have failed to read it.

LOL that is what I thought. I call you out on

your scum slip

and you immediately vote me without even acknowledging them.

yeah I got theories, but I am not going to tell you how to play the game. One theory is obvious though (and I have said as much). I wasnt a threat to you that night and by defending me, you thought I wouldnt track you.

THE DAY I START TO PUSH A CASE YOU BLOCK ME.

now you are OMGUS voting me

[curiouskarmadog]

In your history of playing this game. As scum, have you ever defended town just to get town cred. When did you actually "defend" me? How many votes did I have?

Never played as actual scum. Had a pseudo-SK once, but pretty much played it as town since I still wanted mafia dead.
Defended ya on 786. Ya linked it, so I don't see how you could have failed to read it.

also you completely ignore the point. I DONT CARE that you defended me. The only reason you defended me is because you wanted to look town when I flipped town.

I guess you think as scum, I would just attack the only person that defended me? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

my god your squirming is horrible and you are grasping at straws.

I saw someone else do this in this game...it was camn.

[curiouskarmadog]

Can we lynch him now. I am going to die tonight now the masons are dead.

[curiouskarmadog]

Look up what it means. He is only voting me because I am voting him. If I had removed my vote you think he would still be voting me?

Coming into today he said " he thought I was town" but once I again attacked him I am now scum.

Ask yourself this.

Why as scum would I attack the only person who defended me day 2

I am a Power role. I will die tonight. If I don't die tonight it only makes sense to lynch me tomorrow. There is no way that scum would let me live. Absolutely no way. I am the next logical kill after confirmed town masons . Why as scum (with a tracker claim) would I not come in today and fake claim that I got a guilty on someone...anyone? To kill one more person before I get lynched.

There was a clear wagon on Zulf. I could jumped on it (as scum) and no one would have said anything. If he flipped town or scum no one would have looked at me. Instead? I am looking for scum.



It does not make sense.

Look what he has done in this game. Look at what he is doing today?

This guy is a scum bag.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also I targetted Farmer n2 (he did not go anywhere).

I also targetted tic tac last night. (This is where he comes back and says he is a hider or some bullshit).

[curiouskarmadog]

I know I said I would claim at twilight but this game is just pissing me off. This guy is such scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also I crumbed/elluded to my target yesterday if you need to see the crumb.

[curiouskarmadog]

And given this wagon on zulf, I am pretty sure he is town.

[curiouskarmadog]

Loki I am talking about the ACTUAL SLIPS. He said I called him the blocker. I never said that. I said the scum team. I think he just slipped and told us he was the blocker. Go back and reread it.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am slammed at work, I see walls of words...

do not hammer until uptoolate chimes in....I am curious what UTL thoughts on tictac are. there is too much going on for him to just lurk. at this point I want stances about everyone from him. I feel like he is just sitting back watching how things will pan out.

do something!

I will read tictacs reply (did you make a wall of words on purpose, to make it hard to reply to?) when I get a chance (fri/sat?)

[curiouskarmadog]

(did you make a wall of words on purpose, to make it hard to reply to?)

...

At this point your trying to call anything scummy in hopes of getting tictac lynched.

On phone

I call it like I see it.

I admit I could be tunneling. I think he is scum so every action looks scummy to me.

So yeah. You are right, I want his lynch. I will read what he has to say later but I am a big actions speaks louder than words kind of guy. His actions in this game do not look town.

[curiouskarmadog]

(did you make a wall of words on purpose, to make it hard to reply to?)

...

At this point your trying to call anything scummy in hopes of getting tictac lynched.

On phone

I call it like I see it.

I admit I could be tunneling. I think he is scum so every action looks scummy to me.

So yeah. You are right, I want his lynch. I will read what he has to say later but I am a big actions speaks louder than words kind of guy. His actions in this game do not look town.

thats not my problem, anything he does is scummy, because apparently posting a bunch of content is scummy, no matter what the content is.

by a bunch, I mean a lot at once, aka a wall

No it is just hard to reply to. I have seen some scum do this. Bury their arguments in a huge post(with quotes). To make it hard to interact with. Also people tend to not read those posts. At any rate, I skimmed his first game here and he did it in that game as town. So I take back the implications, but everything else still stands. When I can get in front of a computer I will update this fully.

[curiouskarmadog]

On phone

I call it like I see it.

I admit I could be tunneling. I think he is scum so every action looks scummy to me.

So yeah. You are right, I want his lynch.

Grosssss

What am I missing here? Is "tunneling" some weird sex thing I don't know about?

[curiouskarmadog]

I have. I did so day 2 when I update thread I will provide the quote (hint it was sir cakes he did nothing ) not sure how you missed that.

[curiouskarmadog]

No it just looks scummy

You do understand I didn't join your wagon today right? As scum I could have easily joined with no fucking reason. I didn't because I am not sold you are actually scum. What did I do instead? Actually look for scum! So what part of me saying I call it like I see it is scummy to you?

I wasn't on the ika wagon.
I didn't hammer sir cakes.
I am not lurking like a 3rd of this game.
I have claimed a tracker of all thing and provided one (two if you want to count sir cakes but I get it if you don't) results.
Scum camn lied and pushed and lied some more to get me lynched.

I am either the worst fucking scum player after my many years of playing this game or....

I AM FUCKING TOWN.

God dammit. There is no way scum will let me live tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Actually we shouldn't be in Lylo right now. With a 3rd of the game not posting and being ignored and actual scummy actions being overlooked I am clearly a distraction.

Unvote

tictac

VOTE: CKD

THIS THIS IS THE FIRST ACTUAL ANTI-TOWN THING I HAVE DONE. But I am obviously a distraction so get me out of this game.

You will be at Lylo tomorrow. If you don't know what that means please look it up.

Please lynch tictac tomorrow

Pay attention to who votes who when. Pay attention who jumped off what wagon first . Please be smart here. When rereading look who is actually looking for scum and who is doing nothing. Actions speak louder than words.

I will post fri or sat (when in front of a computer) to give some thoughts and reply to tictac. Ignore the tjoughts now but tomorrow PLEASE REVIEW THEM!

Games like this is the reason I quit for years.

[curiouskarmadog]

in front of a computer today.

UNVOTE:
I think he's genuinely pissed :/

VOTE: UTL If ckd is town this is scum.
Extreme lurking explains the lack of block night 2.

Also: @ckd chill.

thats unexpected.

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will update once I get my reports typed....could be tomorrow.

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mod please prod UTL

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here, catch up now.

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UNVOTE

okay, well page 54 has confused me.

UNVOTE:
I think he's genuinely pissed :/


VOTE: UTL If ckd is town this is scum.
Extreme lurking explains the lack of block night 2.

Also: @ckd chill.

I dont see tictacScum, doing this. He could have easily said (without checking my meta) " oh look here, scum has flaked" and kept his vote on me. I when I flipped town, no one would care about his vote. I mean at least two others have said they thought I was being scummy...so..as scum this play..well it doesnt make sense.

THIS IS THE FIRST ACTUAL ANTI-TOWN THING I HAVE DONE.

If you know its anti town, why are you doing it?

because I am scum!!!! I am Captain ScumBags on the SS Scummy! what do you want me to say here exactly? I explained in the fucking post why I did it. Why are you not reading the thread?

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VOTE: tictac
Honestly putting him at L-1 mostly to bring some excitement back into this game

Explain.

Quick question, has anybody claimed to be blocked N1? I can’t remember. If not, could scum possibly be a 1 shot who wanted to wait until they thought they needed to RB, thus they waited until CKD was on the right track?

this wouldnt be balanced (all things constant).

right now, we have masons and a tracker claimed.

A mafia X shot RB, doesnt make sense, unless they got more power. It is a possibility...but I dont think I have ever seen an X shot RB. Granted that doesnt help MY case/defense at all, but I just dont see it.

Compromise on tictac today, lok

I dont know if I am on team lynch tictac anymore.

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Wait who is in this game pisskop/UTL?

On CKD:
Cheked some of his earlier tracker games(President maker & Mini 589). It's really old meta, but he does in fact use tracking on his scumreads.(@CKD you should re-consider that. Makes no sense. Specially when you are out as a tracker.)

His 'tictac blocked me cause I pushed him' thing makes no sense, but people are agreeing with it. I think it's a brain-fart from town that is supported by scum. I buy Loki buying in cause he's new. Kinda buy it from Zulf cause he doesn't seem to be thinking much, just pattern-matching standard scum.tells. I don't buy it from UTL.

I also dont see tictacScum checking out my meta....(IT IS LONG). We can chat endgame about that (my tracking style). I think of a track like a cop...look at who looks guilty...anyway.


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caught up on the game, but need to go back and read tictac's response post (the large one), and reread his defense against my thought process in regards to acryon.

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I have just skimmed the passed two pages, will update again today (just extremely busy with work and repair wind damage to home). I see people talking about 3 masons...where has that come from? I have NEVER seen 3 masons in a game. If someone has claimed a 3rd mason, your scum it right there.

thngs I need to do, read tictac's reply.
update again (to include seeing where the 3rd mason claim claim from.)

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going back to page 55, to figure out what is going on and do more than skim. Dont have time at the moment to go back further.

this might be partly a note to self as well so when I come back to catch up, I can do a mini read of myself to be reminded.

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going into this page, I was thinking UTL was lurker scum, then he requested (?) a replacement. I have seen scum (mostly new) bow out because they just didnt know what to do. but this didnt feel like that. But then, he came back. soooo, at this point he was replaced. so the slot had two people posting in it. I feel like a lot of this took place behind the scenes. No read either way, from the exchange.

VOTE COUNT 4.04

pisskop (2): tictac, a plain farmer
Zulfy (1): Lokiben
tictac (1): Zulfy

No vote (3): Some Random Mafia Player, pisskop, curiouskarmadog

With 7 players alive, it takes 4/7 votes to lynch.

For deadlines & notes, please refer to this post – post 3 !

Pisskop does some VCA, vote farmer (1365)

wtf? 1367 pisskop mentions a 3rd mason (farmer). WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT COME FROM? Clearly he doesnt really think farmer is a mason, more of a joke. but given what I skimmed later, this looks weird.

I agree with pisskop in his exchange SRMP at the end of 55, but pisskop was being an ass about it.

the day I see a 3person masonry in a 13player game is the day daffidils grow out my asshole

then daffidils are growing out of your asshole.

Okay so this is the soft claim.

I am not sure how post 1382 proves/cumbs anything in regards to masons...BUT I dont see scum coming out of nowhere with a claim like this for no reason with no pressure. I dont see a mason doing it either...but….ugh. SMRP is new. ugh.

page 56 some miscommunication between SMRP/pisskop. reading this is like watching two people argue with two different people when they think they are talking to each other. They are not connecting and it is making little sense.

I am not understanding pisskop at all. He is saying SMRP is not a mason, but still is attacking farmer who he thinks claimed a mason. (Shrug) am I reading this exchange right?

(still reading) breaking up the post.

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(continued)

1405, farmer votes SMRP

people are ignoring my crumbs

im gonna go on strike from posting content brb

for the record, I dont see a crumb in what you posted. AT ALL.

3) If you were a mason, you'd have at least waited to see if I would've claimed mason after reading pisskop's post to CC.

this is a very good point. Why claim when someone thought farmer was claiming mason. why not (as town?) let that play out and if farmer did indeed claim mason, BOOM, we got scum and you can counter claim.

3. 2 things, 1. I know you wouldent because of your 2., 2. The fact that pisskop has flowers growing out of his ass is info that needs to be spread asap.

this is not an answer to #3.

they actually found "light motif" and went with that

when I typed in "light motif" I found leit mtoif, and went with that.

Explain to me in a little bit more detail what you mean by this.

I google searched "light motif" and the first thing I saw was "leitmotif" from wikipedia, so I decided to crumb with that since apparently thats what the light motif was according to google search. Looking for something to use to crumb, I found this (from wikipedia)
The spelling leitmotif is an anglicization of the German Leitmotiv, literally meaning "leading motif"
So I used that and called it my crumb.

I had to read this conversation 3 times before I got it.

if it is fake, he had to do A LOT OF work to come up with it. it does indeed look like a crumb.

not sure why you voted RC though.

1420 SMRP votes me….15 minutes later unvotes.

I was thinking about it (I probably shouldent have been) but the chances of 3 masons and a tracker with no scum power roles is basically

We don't really know scum has no power-roles.
The combination does feel..off thou.
Need to re-eval when I'm less tired.

They have a Role Blocker..

another possibility which I just thought of, they might have a JoaT...which would explain why have only been blocked one night.

(still reading).

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CKD if you no longer scumread tictac can I have your speculations?

getting there.

So heeres the deal. You ask me again about your whiney fucking problem of a victim case and Im placing out

wait what?

replace me.

fuck that.


this looks like he replaced into a scum slot and thought he could bull people over. When it didnt work he cut bait and ran. pisskop is kind of “douchey” at times while playing, but people have called me the same. This replace out looks scummy as shit.

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if I had a gun put to my head right now and had to break down the remaining players...this is how it would fall.

tictac - man, yesterday and today I had him pegged as scum, big time. but the fact he jumped off my wagon, when as scum he didnt have to, in the face of support….I jsut dont see scum doing this. He also took the time to meta me...he is clearly trying to figure this game out. - Town.

Some Random Mafia Player - I HAVE NEVER SEEN 3 MASONS IN A GAME. I have played this game online for 10+ years, and never seen this...or if I did, there were some time of shenanigans involved. BUT. as convoluted as that crumb is...it looks legit. if it is fake after the fact, it would have to be part luck and a lot of work today to make something out of nothing. I think it is real. If you are indeed scum, you are getting my nomination for something after this game. - Town.

Lokiben - He has not done a lot of anything. However, when he came in Day 3(?) and began his attack on Elyse, when it was completely obvious she was a mason, screamed newbie town. if he was a newbie scum, he would have to be on an all newbie scum team. Surely the events of Day 2 was discussed in a mafia thread. Do we know if with scum can day talk? Anyway, it was a poor attack that came from a newbie - Town*

Zulfy - he is more of a null to me. he hasnt done anything and has done a lot of vote hopping that looks opportunistic., I would be leaning scum on him if it wasnt for him joining the Elyse wagon. that was a horrible wagon that clearly was not going anywhere. God, as I think about his play, I am null leaning scum.

*if the remaining scum team is Loki/Zulfy….then the Elyse wagon makes sense. I am doubting this pairing though.

a plain farmer - a complete null. without doing an ISO, I have got nothing. My gut is leaning town. I need to ISO him now.

UpTooLate pisskop - Am back and forth on him. I thought the lurking was scummy...then he requested to replace...okay, so he really had time issues. then he starts posting. asks me to unvote myself, again, he could have jumped on and no one would have cared. But not as meaningful as tictac’s unvote and it came after. Then there was the pisskop thing. It looks like pisskop is embarassed for his scumplay and asked to replace out..he even put the blame on someone else. He essentially told SMRP to stop pushing his questions on him knowing that wasnt going to happen. Scum.

I want to read a couple things before I vote though.

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for the record, I dont see a crumb in what you posted. AT ALL.

This is a lie, you never read the post, as I put at the bottom what we crumbed.

I mean, you have to doubt the claim, as your probably scum otherwise.

READ THE GAME.

IN THE SAME FUCKING POST, I SAID I GOT IT. I was posting as I was reading the thread. later in that same post that you had to cut this quote out of I said.

I had to read this conversation 3 times before I got it.

if it is fake, he had to do A LOT OF work to come up with it. it does indeed look like a crumb.

not sure why you voted RC though.

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for the record

I am the radiant light that will lead us to glorious scum lynches.

VOTE: TicTac

For fighting me last game.

I am the radiant light that will lead us to glorious scum lynches.

VOTE: TicTac

For fighting me last game.

No, im the one that will lead to lynched on scum (again)

UNVOTE:

VOTE: radiantcowbells

for lies

VOTE: SirCakez

I didn't know you were in this game...

If Lokiben is scum, SirCakez isn't.

I'm too tired to squirm.
I'm on the night shift till Monday.
Maybe next week I can squirm?

PS..Hi CKD. I haven't seen you in a million years! Elyse, too.

Hey!

VOTE: Lokiben

if he flips scum we get conftown

Good to see some of you again, RC always lights up any game he's in, ckd is pretty cool and I expect big things now that he has a computer.

all references to the light motif (unless one of them fucked up, but I hope not)

let it begin

the "light motif" reference when you didnt mention light..how am I supposed to get that? I only got it, when you explained it to farmer.

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Bet your ass im town munchkin

are you replacing out or staying?

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Pisskop, explain the crumb.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote pisskop

[curiouskarmadog]

do we know if scum have day talk or not?

SRMP, did you guys have day talk?

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Okay if masons didn't have day talk I doubt scum did. Never mind.

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Zulfy, I get why you think tictac is scum..I thought he was scum coming into today. BUT..

tictac - man, yesterday and today I had him pegged as scum, big time. but the fact he jumped off my wagon, when as scum he didnt have to, in the face of support….I jsut dont see scum doing this. He also took the time to meta me...he is clearly trying to figure this game out. - Town.

comment on this. why am I wrong? I want to see YOUR case on tictac. provide 3 points why you think he is scum.

why is pisskop town?

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random question farmer.

you asked Zulfy for his second scum read (he is voting tictac, i get that). do you understand his case against his first read?

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I notice CKD wasn't on either the ika or Cakez lynch wagons. I know that's supposed to be a good thing, but he seems almost too accurate, and it's throttling my gut.

He also avoided hammer responsibilities D3 in a weird way (saying "I will hammer if needed, but it looks like UpTooLate already said he would" instead of "I'll hammer eventually" or something like that).

VOTE: CKD

I dont even know how to respond to this. you are voting me because I am too towny?

have you looked at my past games to see if have "declared a hammer" before as town? or as scum? clearly you havent, so why not? it is common practice to do this (to let people you know you will hammer before the day is out to avoid a no lynch). if I was avoiding the hammer, why wouldnt I just come out say "I think this is a bad lynch"...or...not say anything at all?

I just...

I dont fucking know if you are new and really believe this....or if you are stretching for anything that maybe sticks (scum). You clearly are getting restless. I just dont know.

unvote

have you ever been in a game, where some declared an intent to hammer if needed?

I need to ISO you now...and maybe meta.

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there is nothing to meta.

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there is no way you believe that case.

I wonder why you didnt mention that Day 1 I WAS on the sircakes wagon and it got to -2

also wtf?

I'm willing to hammer ika if no one else has anything left to say. I checked his meta for myself to make sure. He's a frequent poster across the board as town. As scum, he lurks in some of his games in and in others it's arguable. But there's an obvious correlation between his alignment and activity, and, as Camn showed, he's been active elsewhere recently. This is about as objective a reason as we could get for Day 1.

you do the same thing here, before you drop the fucking hammer on ika.

also you clearly know how to meta, yet you didnt check mine before posting this?

Bullshit.

farmer

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VOTE: farmer

[curiouskarmadog]

hold on.

want to check something.

unvote

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Omg. Just kill me then. I am a distraction and my role is fucking useless with a blocker.

If I was scum, I would keep me alive just so people will hang me the following day. I don't want to be around tomorrow and then have to defend my shit all over again. Just kill me. please again remember who joined what when. Look at my read list.

On a side note I will never join another game again with so many new players. Between these ridiculous cases and people not reading the game this has been a up hill battle.

VOTE: ckd

Good luck guys, but I am all out of fucks.

For the record, as scum at this point I would probably make this same fucking post.

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I am very confused about this game.

hold on.

want to check something.

unvote

What did you check?

I wanted to go back and see why I investigated farmer before. his position and jumping votes. he is indeed scummy...could push a case, but others have already done it.

I just need to get out of this game. if I want town to win, I dont need to be here..it really is as simple as that.

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I was confused for a long time why RC had labelled CKD the "mafia role cop" when he originally called him out. I was thinking that it would have appeared that CKD had followed RC's "slave" crumbs to find that he was masons with Elyse, so it should be that, and not a role cop ability, that RC should've looked to to find that he was a mason.

But now we know that SRMP was also a mason, and that their crumb was the "light" thing. These crumbs already existing, RC's "slave" posts weren't necessarily crumbs at all, and were probably just him avoiding the NK by seemingly offloading his scumhunting on to someone else.

when you go back and read. what event caused RC to come at me?

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this is why your case is bullshit.

Voting SirCakez

do I have a choice?

VOTE: Sircakez

I'll take that as a no.

I don't really have a choice here, sorry Sircakez.

What does that even mean?

I'm not sure what you're not understanding here.

No, but Elyse has a choice of what I do with my vote.

If you have an issue you should take it up with her.

Why does Elyse control your vote?

I don't think it's particularly fair either.

Elyse may be offended if you label us as a team like I'm her equal.

Please don't use such phrasings.

Elyse may be offended if you label us as a team like I'm her equal.

Please don't use such phrasings.

i got it..stop.

it was so fucking obvious, this was me telling him to stop dropping crumbs.

his very next post?

ckd/sircakez/camn

ckd is mafia role cop
sircakez/camn unknown

lynch in this group.

if I was a fucking mafia cop with a Mason read on RC...WHY THE FUCK WOULD I SAY ANYTHING? LETS TAKE THE THE ROLE COP OUT OF IT...WHY THE FUCK AS SCUM WOULD I SAY ANYTHING? i WOULD JUST KILL HIM PICKING UP ON THE CRUMBS AND HOPE NOBODY ELSE GOT THEM.



JAKU GY'WTGPNH4B


FUCK IT.


YOU CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS CASE...NEW OR NOT, i DO NOT BELIEVE IT.

UNVOTE: CKD
VOTE: a plain farmer


I will hammer myself at deadline if needed so we dont no lynch. Oh no farmer, I am doing it again.

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I'm tempted to hammer CKD.
Not going to.
Will really take a deep deep look at all this

go ahead vote me.

I dont care if you are town or scum. just do it.

I am telling you, there is a RB in the game.

If I was scum and in the game (with my slot in it). I would just block me again and leave me around for tomorrow. I do not want to be here tomorrow, we could be at lylo tomorrow and if I am here and get hung, we will lose.

if their block was just a one shot, they are just going to kill me tonight.

either way, I am useless.

if you are scum, I am easy pickings.


just vote me

[curiouskarmadog]

I am indeed town. Good luck guys.

[curiouskarmadog]

This game has made me want to retire again. I was actually lynched for being to towns. Fuck's sake.

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Towney