Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

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Hi BBT and massive!

Hi everybody else I haven't met yet.



VOTE: BBT

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There's a bit of an ingratiating tinge to Deadpool's tone that's freaking me out a little. @_@

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Do you think that telling mn to "play the game" is actually going to have an effect, Keyser?

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Spoiler:

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Maybe. :3

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Alright, can I sheep you?

You probably don't want to right now. :S

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When a player signs up to a game I expect them to play and respect the site's/mod's rules.

Alright-y.
Do you have a read on Aquanim?

ingratiating tinge

^
I've never seen/used this word before, but can you tell me why/if it's a negative/suspicious/alignment-indicative quality.
[

I like learning Mafia lexicon

].

It's not so much mafia-specific lexicon.
What makes me say what I said are things like this:

Oh, just one more thing... as per your role pm, do you win when all threats to town are eliminated... or do you win when all players without a Mafia wincon are eliminated?

You're trying to be cute and funny with remarks like these and I'm not sure what for. There are a lot of interpretations for it, depending on how cynical you are. My first impression was "scum trying to be cute and funny" but that's just me. I have trust issues. :S

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I don't think this game is dry enough for that to be par for the golf course.

This game has a really weird and stiff dynamic. It feels like a lot of chunky posts have been made, but not much has really been said. It's page 7, but I don't have anything I would call a "read" yet. They're more scattered thoughts.

I do have a forming scumread right now but I'll leave you in suspense about who it is for just a little longer.

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No one even tried to guess who my scumread was? I must be really boring.

Anyway, it's KainTepes.

WHY DID THIS THREAD PROGRESS SO FAST??? I JUST WENT TO SLEEP AND CAME BACK AND EVERYONE TALKING, BUT THIS IS GOOD!!!!!

This is the first thing that set off some alarm bells for me. It's applauding ~something~ that's happened in the thread that's ostensibly good for town but nothing remarkable actually happened so that gives this post a canned and insincere feel.

This exchange with Keyser Soze also bothered me:

Spoiler:

Let us policy lynch and move on.

now he is SCUM

VOTE: mn

MY STOMACH HURTS...

Stop shaking dem titties.

Let us policy lynch and move on.

now he is SCUM

VOTE: mn

Do you think

Scum

actively push Day One policy lynches or does

Bad Town

?

TRUE... now that I think about it... SCUM would want not so good players to be alive as LONG as possible so they can trick them later when people are fewer... bad town players want policy lynches...

So mn is not scum...

UNVOTE: mn

my tummy still HURTS... will think more when it STOPS HURTING...

No time today.

Tomorrow.

WHY do you keep avoiding,,

VOTE: BLUE BLOOD COFFEE

(in your name you spelt COFFEE wrong!!!!!!)

Keyser's point isn't particularly salient here because of course scum can actively push a Day 1 policy lynch, but Kain rolled over and fell in line with Keyser's logic just like that. In keeping with this theme, Kain proceeds to co-opt Keyser's BBT vote. The tenuous reason that accompanied the apparent change of heart makes me think he's less interested in forming his own opinions and more interested in adapting ones that he thinks

look

town.

VOTE: KainTepes

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TRUE... now that I think about it...

SCUM would want not so good players to be alive as LONG as possible

so they can trick them later when people are fewer... bad town players want policy lynches...

So mn is not scum...

UNVOTE: mn

my tummy still HURTS... will think more when it STOPS HURTING...

All seriousness - We are talking about policy lynching keyser here who, might not be the best (I don't know), but he doesn't come across as bad. I don't really think changing a read based on the idea scum wouldn't want to lynch keyser because he isn't a great player is very town-like shall we say.

Spoiler:

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You have my attention.

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No, I happen to be on because I just ended the game I was modding.

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I'm not going to be happy if I now have to go on the defensive for no reason. It's tough getting reads in this game because it seems like there are a lot of people posting too much (Keyser Soze, Phoneix, mn) and there's this strange mass clenched feeling this game where everyone seems to be afraid to act normally for some reason.

I can already hear the grumbling from Phoenix that I'm a "lurker," even though I post when I can. If it's that I'm not posting enough for your liking, I try not to clutter the thread with spam. If it's that I'm not moving fast enough, I'll go ahead and tell you that I'm slow and the constipated gamestate is not helping. If it's that I'm not being transparent enough, that's too bad because I'm not going to tell you everything I'm thinking as I'm thinking it. If it's that you don't like my Kain case, that's also too bad because I like it and that's what I'm pursuing right now.

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I was speaking to both you and Golden.

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I was writing Post 178 as the previous flurry of posts were coming out (note the time stamps on the posts).

To say I was sheeping Slandaar is ridiculous.

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I dislike him going after kain.

After slandar laid down some suspicion about kain, telltale jumps in there with the gun, giving weak reasoning and pushing for it.

I'm thinking this kain wagon is a mislynch.

That's a pretty drastic overstatement seeing there's only two votes on Kain.

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Correction: Now there's three but the third came after Robster's post.

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I can already tell this game is going to hurt my head.

You and BBT are pretty big holes in my reads list that need filling, which is kind of frustrating since you two being here was part of the reason I reaplced in. Please come back soon. :3

At this point I have a pretty decent town read on Slandaar, mostly because he's been hitting points that are also on my mind as I'm reading the thread. The Kain point in Post 175 is a great example and the things he's bringing up in his conversation with Keyser are others (Post 229).
I'm also townreading Aquanim, mostly from Post 101 and Post 161. His end of the conversation about Robster makes enough sense and I think it makes me more inclined to think he was actually initiating a conversation to double check a read he was iffy on.
From the few data points out there, I think Oceanwind is more likely town than not because of Post 79. I can't say I agree with the Keyser townread, but the mn town read looks good and hit's the sweet spot in efficacy.

Even though I dislike most of what he's done in this game immensely, I think it's far more likely that Robster is town than not. Even though the OceanWind read doesn't seem to be based on much, I have to think it's sincere (Post 74, Post 75). I hate the way he's approaching the Kain read. Drawing the conclusion that Kain is a "mislynch" at 3 votes is just terrible. I hate, hate, hate the way he's trying to marginalize me by glibly dismissing me as scum with this lazy and easily disproved argument that I bogarted Slandaar's case.

Keyser Soze is someone who I really wish would make

less frequent

, better quality posts. I'm not saying that to be mean, but the signal to noise ratio in that ISO is insane and that's why the read there is so elusive for me. I keeping thinking it's more likely he's town but whenever I try to make myself happy with that read and move on I just can't because there's a shortage of strong, decisive, legitimate thoughts in his posts.

Now to Kain: You can say whatever you want about personality, but I'm not voting him based on that. I'm voting him because I think what he's doing is a lot more likely to help scum in their win condition than town in their win condition. Specifically, I think he's saying things for the sole purpose of getting townread. Saying that he's lynchbait is intellectually lazy and doesn't answer the fundamental question of if he drew a scum card

in this game

or not. Being a VI doesn't make them town all the time. I don't even think the label "VI" even really accurately describes Kain because there are a few places in his posting that show calculation and capacity for guile. If there's a place where anyone thinks he gives a legitimate read or town motivated post, I'm all ears, but don't just tell me about his personality because fuck you, that's irrelevant.

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That's because I don't have enough of a read on you to be able to say anything intelligent about it.

But now that you mention it, I will say that I really wish you'd stop with the passive-aggressive garbage swings at me, though. That's annoying as shit.

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Alright-y since I know I have a little bit of a short fuse right now I'm going to keep this short and sweet and say

Fucking A, I can't help when I'm on.

I'll leave it at that.

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You asked him a question? Where did that happen?

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Why are you townreading Masquerade, Kain?

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Frankly, Robster's absence right now is more concerning than massive, BBT, or mn's to me.

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Don't worry KainTepes, I won't be voting you. I don't believe in easy lynches. Unfortunately for you though, I think you're f****d mate.

Spoiler:

I'm sick of hearing the word "easy." It's a weak, cop-out word that's not alignment indicative. It's not even accurate in this case because Kain's never had any more than 4 votes on him at any point in this game.

I don't even care that more people aren't voting him. I just wish people like you would say

~using words~

why Kain is more likely to be town than not. Doing otherwise just adds to the dysfunction of this game by speculating on stupid, irrelevant, imaginary crap.

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I'm waiting on a university offer right now so yeah, I'm slightly pre-occupied.

That may be but you're still posting on the site. :3

As opposed to mn who apparently hasn't been here since Wednesday.

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Everything I have to say to you, I've already said. It's your move now.

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If you scum-read him, get him lynched. But don't come crying and moaning about me not being able to highlight his pro-town/productive scum-hunting posts.

Then don't say stupid things like his wagon is "easy" then because that's meaningless.

That's

what I'm fussing about.

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town-Kain is suspicious of everyone, even people not trying to mislynch him and Phoenix Wrought. It's very healthy mistrust.

But he's not suspicious of everyone...

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VOTE: popsofctown

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His scum strategy is to skip reading the thread and draw attention to himself?

What the fuck does that even mean?

I don't even see how this is germane to what's going on in the thread.

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The best way to read a VI is the measure their fear of death.

It's pretty fucking high from what I'm seeing.

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Kain is really taking the "hide" out of hide and seek, Aquanim. He posts frequently, in all caps, and posts even if he has nothing about the game of which to speak.

This

seems more relevant to personality than alignment.

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And iirc someone said he's played more chillaxedly in a different game where he was town, and he's even less concerned with keeping a low profile this game. Assuming this game is the one where he's drawn scum would be a Too Scummy To Be Scum argument.

These are... some words.

You want to take another shot at whatever you were trying to say sweetie?

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I just can't give the much masterminding credit to someone who thinks ice cream is a good idea for an upset stomach.

I think that was a cheeky reference to the game title. :S

Don't call me sweetie

I'm from the south so I unconsciously throw that word around casually sometimes. Apologies.

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If something is weird and doesn't make sense, it's usually town. It's what I've found in my experience in mafia. Kind of like the strange chess rule of thumb, if someone offers you a free pawn early on and you can't figure out why, 9/10ths of the time your opponent just made a mistake, and it's not one of those traps, even though there are tons of traps out there and it seems like it would be one. There's just too much human nature to go around.

Going along with your chess analogy, if someone posts something that's scummy most of the time they're just scum who slipped up and made a mistake.

I'm trying to get your whole logic chain because from where I'm sitting it makes absolutely no sense and isn't a genuine read.

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Let us policy lynch and move on.

now he is SCUM

VOTE: mn

Alright-y, here's the post. Please walk me through how it's pro-town.

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Either way, he did far less to spotlight himself that game.

What does that mean? How does someone have any control over how much "spotlight" they have?

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GuyFawkes' entrance is pretty exasperatingly awful.

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I forgot i kind of FORGOT what i wanted to say...... but basically that I suspect KEYSER and AQUANIM a little for jumping on wagons, KEYSER voted me while still showing some kind of reluctance (So that if he takes his vote off he can just say oh I wasnt SURE thats why), same with AQUA, who seems willing to vote for either MASQUERADE or ME, looks like scum vote hopping from one town wagon to another???

VOTE: AQUANIM

I'm still interested in why Kain is townreading Masquerade. He threw that out there as a read and it would help to know what the basis for it is.

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I think anyone young enough to expect that plan to work doesn't have internet access yet.

And I'm still wondering how you're holding onto this "VI" assumption for Kain because I don't buy it for a minute. I think he's shown in a couple places he's pretty savvy and is completely capable of just saying things that people want to hear.

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We are going to just waste the day away if all anybody does is argue about kain tapes

>.>
<.<

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that I'm actually reading a different thread than everyone else.

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VOTE: Kain

My pops vote was more out of a knee jerk reaction out of annoyance than anything. He's still on the hook for explaining why Kain is a VI.

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I'm also liking GuyFawkes for scum.

Masquerade didn't do anything remarkable, but the way Guy's going about his defense of Kain is extremely odd. He's to the point where he's even bothered by people

talking

about Kain, whining about this (non-existent) problem that "all anyone's doing" is arguing about Kain. He also gives this blanket scumread on people voting Kain, which he doesn't follow up in his vote by the way:

KainTepes is like performance art and I think its fantastic. he could be scum but I see no need to worry about him yet. I think it's more likely scum is pushing his lynch

But his actual

read

on Kain is carefully hedged:

If you don't, you must have some explanation for how he's a townie and not deliberately throwing... so let's hear it.

I'm not convinced he's town but I'm not convinced he's scum either. I AM convinced that he's not a VI and there's gotta be some method to his madness. So I'd rather look elsewhere for somebody to lynch

His defense isn't even compelling. The argument essentially boils down to "these few posts are obviously jokes, therefore

none

of what he says should be taken seriously." It's not a good argument and it's an awful lot of hardcore defense and diversion tactics for someone who he's supposedly not even town reading.

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I'm listening.

I can't say I'm thrilled at the way he went about responding to your attacks on the first few pages but I don't see a smoking gun. What do you see?

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Not really. :S
Right now I'd only vote for Kain or GuyFawkes.

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I think it

is

true that any impact he could be having is getting diluted in massive volume, and that's what I was talking about earlier in post 269. But I'm still unsure if that's his intent or he just likes hearing himself talk.

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~Cringe~

Yeah, now I don't like the Keyser wagon.

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That being said, you played against scum-Keyser in Mini Normal 1719 - my feel-read of that game is that he was a lot less assertive about his opinions as compared to Mini 1744 where I saw him as town, and this game is feeling more like the latter than the former to me. You played in the first game so you might have a different perspective; if so I'd like to hear it.

I assume you have signatures turned off.

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I AM FEELING SAD ABOUT THIS GAME,, NOBODY LISTENING TO ME WHEN I SAY THERE IS PROBABLY 2 SCUM WITHIN THIS GROUP:

KEYser, Aquanim, OCEANWIND and TELL TALE HEART....

What if I were to tell you that Keyser is the lead wagon?

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PEdit - I can't read Kain for shit and I'm hoping he gets vigged.

I think most people write off Kain like they would a 12-year-old yelling over Xbox Live. But the appeals he's making aren't quite appropriate for the situation, and I would bet he's very well aware of that.

He's still avoiding the question about why he's townreading the Masquerade slot, by the way.

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YOU ARE DEFENDING KEYSER RIGHT???

The whole "no one's listening to me" shtick rings pretty hollow when one of your scumreads is the lead wagon.

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I'm also going to just say this: I don't buy the softclaim.

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BUT NOBODY LISTENS WHEN I SAID YOU ARE SUSPICIOUS FOR DEFENDING THE KEYSER

Nope, that's

not

what you said.

Here's what you said:

I AM FEELING SAD ABOUT THIS GAME,, NOBODY LISTENING TO ME WHEN I SAY THERE IS PROBABLY 2 SCUM WITHIN THIS GROUP:

KEYser, Aquanim, OCEANWIND and TELL TALE HEART....

You have Keyser as the lead wagon. Oceanwind has a few critics and Golden Robster called me scum at one point earlier.

The only person here

actually

not getting much public scrutiny is Aquanim.

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Who's soft claim?

TTH, if I sheep you Today, will you help me lynch Keyser Tomorrow?

Depends on what Kain flips. I will go ahead and tell you that if he flips scum, I would likely look at GuyFawkes next.

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This soft claim:

it IS a MISS LYNCH,, so i dont care anymore, if town is stupid enough to actually vote me I HAVE nothing to say...... if you would RATHER vote me than someone like BBT who has been actively DODGING PRODS.....

I dont think scum is STUPID ENOUGH to lynch me so that is why I think scum must have taken teh OPPORTUNITY to get on my wagon, BECAUSE it seems easy, I dont understand what you all play like on MAFIA SCUMMY but it is so different from TOWN OF SALEM and I STRONGLY SUSPECT scum is TAKING ADVANTAGE of that fact to lynch me,, in any case I have CRUMBLED my role if you want me to claim later....... i will rather not claim today though

so can you at least read that game i linked and tell me what i did wrong,, i dont want to go on mafia discussions because there are too many people and I DONT wnat to be criticized by too many people at once.......!

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I think that's exactly what he wanted people to say.

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Tell me, which role is he crumbing?
We can all drop the coy act here, the softclaim is out there and there's nothing taking it back.

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Don't you think the Kain situation sorts itself out over time anyway?

I'd like to think so, and I might just have to get happy with that but the number of people rushing to his defense makes me think not.

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Well now I

really

think I just have to get happy with it.

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What do you think it is?

One that I don't think he really has. I'll leave it at that.

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I'm still not getting what the main thrust of the Keyser wagon is and apparently I misstated it a while ago.

I think it

is

true that any impact he could be having is getting diluted in massive volume, and that's what I was talking about earlier in post 269. But I'm still unsure if that's his intent or he just likes hearing himself talk.

OK, but that's not my problem with what he is doing.

It's that he's backseat driving the Kain wagon?

I don't know. :S

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There is also the lack of any sort of commitment/conviction to a read and we're on page 22. That's also pretty appalling, no?

That seems to be pretty common in this game, and what I meant when I said this game has a "weird dynamic" way back when. Phoenix, massive, and pops are other offenders.

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Replacements, replacements!

I'll leave my vote here.
VOTE: GuyFawkes

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They're not posting nearly as often as Keyser.

Keyser does a lot of busy posting but it doesn't actually provide anything. It's just 'stuff'.

Which brings me back here:

I think it

is

true that any impact he could be having is getting diluted in massive volume, and that's what I was talking about earlier in post 269. But I'm still unsure if that's his intent or he just likes hearing himself talk.

Masquerade's replace out was pretty town.

I thought it was null.

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There's a lot of reasons why someone wouldn't be having fun this game that don't have to do with alignment.

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With townreads on Slandaar, Aquanim, and maybe Golden Robster I'm still hunting out of a

really

big pool. And it's page 22.

I'm to the point where I need a vacation from this game. I'll let the replacements weigh in and take a look at this later.

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Hi Thorella! :3

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KeinTapes (99%) - He soft-claimed PR and has yet to been CC'd. That means he's conformed town.

Spoiler:

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I'm actually kind of with Ircher in thinking BBT might be scum.

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Pretty similar. The case on Keyser just isn't that great. The fact that he's frustrating me on Kain is also concerning me.

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I feel like I'm coming off as either really bitchy or scummy when I go after Kain, but whatever. It is what it is.

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I AM FEELING SAD ABOUT THIS GAME,, NOBODY LISTENING TO ME WHEN I SAY THERE IS PROBABLY 2 SCUM WITHIN THIS GROUP:

KEYser, Aquanim, OCEANWIND and TELL TALE HEART....

It's probably Keyser and TTH.

You're really going to do this?

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No, no.

First it was Robster, then it was GuyFawkes, then it was BBT. Now apparently you want in on the action with this narrative that Kain is just a poor troll and I'm just being shitty and scummy by picking on him.

I will concede that maybe I'm not the nicest person. But my opinion is that Kain is

not

a troll and he is

not

a bumbling fool. Every action he's taking from the soft claiming to pushing lurkers and the Keyser wagon to changing his playstyle to match the previous game when Aqua brought it up all are aimed at getting townread and surviving.

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That's actually probably the most taxing part of this game. I'm being made to feel like I'm doing everything wrong.

It's not a good feeling.

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Can't we just lynch that super scummy replace out? The timing was off. Cmon guys.

Really, this is what we're doing now? :\

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Can you respond with some thoughts on the above in a general sense?

What is it you're wanting me to talk about now?

I'm just not feeling the Keyser case here. I wish I had a more intelligent way of engaging with it but I really don't. None of the points are "wrong" per se, but my intuition here is that Keyser isn't very likely to actually flip scum.

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Why aren't you voting one of them right now? Like, especially when both BBT and I expressed a reasonable agreement to the idea of lynching Kain. Why are you not working on that and are instead sitting on the sidelines and (unproductively) sniping at pops (especially when I just did a productive snipe at him on the same topic)?

I'm taking it you didn't catch up entirely because BBT is not amenable to a Kain lynch.

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Meanwhile, could you do an outside looking in for me - is Keyser's posting looking as empty to you as it is to me. To clarify that, look at his last half a dozen posts and try to find involvement, or serious questing for scum in them, or clear pushing of his scumhunting agenda. I don't see it at all. Do you?

I can't really spoon feed it to you if you don't "see it."

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I want you to talk about what you're thinking in attacking it as "weak" compared to other cases on the table, or even other Day 1 cases in general.
That is an unfair, and ungrounded attack - and I want you to explain why you think it valid.

Fair!?
So just because you stacked a bunch of words on top of each other, I should agree with it because it's got a nice ribbon tied around it and it checks off all the boxes in a formulaic, feel-good case like "not asking questions." Is that the "fair" thing to do?

Maybe you're right and maybe that's not fair. But I disagree with the fundamental argument that his posting is "hollow" and I think you, along with the other wagoners, are pretty far from proving it's intentional or strategic to advancing the scum win condition.

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Read between the lines - he is openly suggesting he is scummy and/or a valid policy lynch and/or not someone he wants in lylo.
Just because he's saying he's an "easier" lynch later or that he hopes he gets vigged is hardly a true opposition of the wagon.
Maybe I'm skimming better than you're reading?

No,

today

BBT is

definitely

not amenable to a Kain lynch.

I don't know what kind of role he is crumbing.

What do you think it is?

PEdit - TTH, I'm not lynching Kain. I think you should stop.

^^^ is not scum posting.

Don't be a butthole.

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Good job, Thor. You've noticed this game is absolutely no fun for me. I guess now you're seeing what kind of bullshit you can lump on me before I say "fuck it" and join the mass exodus out of this game? You wanting me to "do something" with one person's scumread is pretty ridiculous and you're absolutely

not

taking the time to read anything I'm posting and think about it. You're trying to come up with the wittiest rebuttal because I guess being the smartest guy in the room is what you're all about.

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VOTE: BBT

Here, I guess I should do this. If we run up Kain he's just going to claim an investigative and everyone will unvote because he's so "obviously" town. Meanwhile we can make a pretty-looking case on someone who's not particularly likely to flip scum and smell our own farts about how much we "pressure" our scumreads.

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I guess I could also do OceanWind if nothing else just to save SirCakez the effort of having to find a replacement for that slot?

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My mistake, that's Ircher.

I take that back, I'm not going to vote him.

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Fine.

VOTE: Titus

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The second BBT pops up, it's going to be super obvious how town he is, yet you bumble bees will probably make up reasons to want to push him.

Ew, I don't like this post.

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TTH, what are you doing in this game?

Sinking into sadness and apathy.

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With townreads on Slandaar, Aquanim, and maybe Golden Robster I'm still hunting out of a

really

big pool. And it's page 22.

Talk to me about GR being town.

You should've asked me this earlier because I would've been able to answer it better. I think it had something to do with the way he pushed OceanWind?

If you're wondering why I'm voting the slot, I'm just sheeping pops. He seems competent enough.

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@TTH What's your Massive Read?

I don't really have one. I would guess town, but that's just a half-court heave.

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There's no point to asking, Keyser. I've already done it twice and Kain hasn't answered twice.

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VOTE: GuyFawkes

I'll take this counterwagon.

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I could also vote Boon.

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Off of Guy.

You are way too whiteknight-y this game.

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KainTepes is like performance art and I think its fantastic. he could be scum but I see no need to worry about him yet. I think it's more likely scum is pushing his lynch

I would believe a Kain and Guy masonry .... never.

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That can be figured out or not later. Like come on.

The mason speculation is nothing short of embarrassingly ridiculous.

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Titus, what makes you think I'm a mason?

This is not what a mason says in response to being outed.

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He's choosing to leave ambiguity because it's the only thing keeping him alive. A real mason wouldn't allow it to continue.

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What do we figure out if Ircher flips fucking town?

It's not a good point.

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Titus is scum.

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You're being extremely anti-town for no discernable reason

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Guy is most assuredly not a mason.

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There is literally no one he could possibly be a mason with.

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Titus, if Guy actually is a mason I will self vote tomorrow because that's apparently how bad at this game I've gotten.

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You don't get to bully me when you have fewer votes.

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We need two of Thor/Slandaar/Keyser. This alone is doable. The only people with their heels dug in are you and Titus.

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We need two of Thor/Slandaar/Keyser. This alone is doable. The only people with their heels dug in are you and Titus.

Go to the moon with me. Why might that be?

Because you're both being spectacularly anti town.

If it's because either of you are masons you've done a bang up job in making your interactions as un-mason-like as possible. I can't believe that.

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I did not drink enough wine for this conversation.

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Just from assessing behavior on Guys end it's so implausible he's a mason.

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If Guy actually is a mason and actually acted this way with a mason card, I will shit enough bricks to be able to build a goddamn fort.

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Beer's good too. I promise I'm not a snob! It's just what I have available.

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I'm done for the night.

The unrepentant awfulness in this game has just made the part of my brain responsible for logic give up.

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Probably not.

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If you want to lynch Ircher, you'll have to do it without me. Boon's sufficiently pissed me off to pretty much make me not want to even read any more of his posts.

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Alright-y. Progress.

Hey, Aqua, Pop, TTH, and Thor. Let's have a little chat.

Who do you guys believe is scum in this group of 4?

I'm surprised there would be scum in that group, but if I had to choose, I suppose it would be Thorella?
My next choice would be Aqua but I would be pretty flabbergasted at him being scum.

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You soft-claimed pr yesterday -- Was that a fakeclaim.

It probably was.

Given Kain's reactions, he obviously wasn't the one that Boon saw. Between me, Boon, and whoever the mystery town special is that targeted Slandaar the special count is already up to 3. Given the powerful and swingy nature of Boon and I's roles, I doubt there's a fourth special.

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Why would you be surprised at scum being in that group? They were 4 of the 7 on the GuyFawke's lynch, the others being Ircher, Keyser, and BBT.

I would pick any of those 3 as scum before any of the 4 you named.

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Oh no. Kain's tomorrow's lynch.

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You soft-claimed pr yesterday -- Was that a fakeclaim.

It probably was.

Given Kain's reactions, he obviously wasn't the one that Boon saw. Between me, Boon, and whoever the mystery town special is that targeted Slandaar the special count is already up to 3. Given the powerful and swingy nature of Boon and I's roles, I doubt there's a fourth special.

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There is zero chance Kain is going to be able to keep coasting on a nonspecific investigative claim now that Boon is outed.

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Hey, Aqua, Pop, TTH, and Thor. Let's have a little chat.

Who do you guys believe is scum in this group of 4?

Pop and Thor have the best chance of flipping scum in that group me thinks.

I would be HIGHLY surprised to see Aqua flip scum. I doubt TTH is scum either.

This is so exciting, suspense is killing me.

You have anything to say now that Kain is also close to confirmed scum?

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You have anything to say now that Kain is also close to confirmed scum?

He is?

He is!

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VOTE: KainTepes

Placeholder until Boon's ready to go on.

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Of those three, I think Pops is most likely. Very much doubt TTH is scum, and I think Thor is unlikely too.

I disagree. Thor's been on the site since the day start and he hasn't checked in. I'm guessing he's one of the people Boon saw.

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No dice.

VOTE: Thor665

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I didn't target Slandaar, goofball.

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Also, I crumbed my role in my first post. It's not subtle.

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Prison Keeper's my favorite boss. I couldn't not use him!

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Unless the other name is BBT, massive, or Kain I don't think my vote is likely to move.

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You only got one name, didn't you?

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I was the reason your vig shot failed. Sorry.

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I'll make a list before this day ends in case I die, which I'm assuming I will.

Do your shots get refunded if you get roleblocked?

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I'll make a list before this day ends in case I die, which I'm assuming I will.

Do your shots get refunded if you get roleblocked?

nope. used up. feel free to jail me tonight.

Don't shoot tonight. Barring a strongman, you'll get to Night 3 where you'll have a smaller shooting pool.

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UNVOTE:

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Guys, Kain probably is an investigative

I'm not so sure.

I'll wait and hear what Kain has to say.

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Gunsmith and vig seemed to be roles that are often paired since the vig serves as a "false positive" to the gunsmith. It also would make sense from Thor's posting that he would investigate Slandaar so it gives me a little pause. :S

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I don't get why you doubt Kain's PR. Also, I have absolutely NO IDEA how you can even consider the possibility of Thor gunsmith. He's not town. Like...he's not. He's confirmed scum.

Independent of the claims, I think Kain's pretty scummy.

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He's confirmed scum.

That does seem to be the most parsimonious explanation with what happened in your gambit. I'm paranoid that maybe whoever would've done the kill just stayed quiet and was waiting for you to out them and/or called your bluff. Not everyone

explicitly

denied targeting Slandaar, we just kind of took things on an implicit "if you post, you're claiming not it."

Maybe I'm overthinking it? :S

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I don't find any fault with lack of crumbs. In fact, he already soft claimed before you got here on Day 1.

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Gunsmith makes sense, yes, but that is a very common PR on the mafia side as well.

I guess that's plausible too. I'm guessing the idea there would be so they could find cops and vigilantes.

I'll see what Kain claims and I'll give it some thought.

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In order for this to be true, Aquanim has to be an ascetic or Kain had to have been roleblocked.

I find neither of these things particularly likely.

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How often do mafia roleblockers and town jailkeepers occur in the same setup?

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Sorry Boon but I still don't believe Kain.

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VOTE: KainTepes

I know he's probably not getting lynched today but I have to do this on principle.

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im not sure why people hate me??? i thought i played OK this game,,, do you think i was bad?

I don't hate you at all. Don't misconstrue my thinking you were scum as me hating you.

I thought you were thoroughly scummy from start to finish and it was terrible play on town's part for refusing to lynch you.

- Why TellTaleHeart claimed Jailkeeper

Because of Boon's claimed "result." His result implied the existence of a special outside the claimed ones of mine, Kain's, and Boon's. Four specials would call one of the other three into question and the one

most

questionable was Kain's. I thought I was making a one-for-one trade with Kain, but so much for that.
I didn't mean for the "jailkeeper" specific to come out right then and there. That was more a consequence of my heavy-handed crumb.

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Kein wasn't lynched because Odd Cop + RB sounded balanced.

That argument is overly simplistic and quite lazy.

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I see TTH jailed me -- I want to know -- Was it cuz you thought I was scum or thought I was town?

Jailkeeper is so hard.

It was because I thought you may be scum. I probably should have used it like a doc but I was terrified of stepping on a town special's action. I ended up doing exactly that anyway. >:\