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[gameplay506]

Rb u seem shiat so no
Naomi u are one kawaii girl
VOTE: Ryan
Meanie

[gameplay506]

Chuck seems so cool omg
Chuck wanna be my senpai?

[gameplay506]

Its a he
And ty <3

[gameplay506]

O goodie

[gameplay506]

Okaaay rb I think it will be best if you just stick to more sheeping me and less talking

[gameplay506]

O really?
Whoever finds more scum this game is better
You'll get rekt bud

[gameplay506]

You have the charisma of a slug

[gameplay506]

And what are those flimsy reads based off? Gut?
You know I actually read and think I don't base my reads off gut.
Pedit: -_-' ok rb

[gameplay506]

I meant those insignificant, good for nothing slugs but ok be a banana slug if you want to

[gameplay506]

As strange as it sounds I actually like rb lol
I don't think newbscum would engage in such convo like that

[gameplay506]

Lool
Rb you butthurt or smth

[gameplay506]

Ye those arguments are wrong on so many levels but I am not going into a wall fight with a townread
Pedit: and ryan is scum good
When I have more time for just more than 1 liners imma show you why you are dumb and ryan is scum

[gameplay506]

ok time for me to respond to that god awful "case"
I feel like its pretty needless to do so because I just skimmed over the last 3 pages and seeing the reasons and speed at which my wagon developed its pretty obv its scum motivated lol
but I promised to show you how shit you guys are so Imma do it just now

[gameplay506]

Ok so lets start with the VI.
I should just warn you to pay no attention to my language

1.Gameplay really wants to look relaxed and jovial with his banter but he's not relaxed and jovial. I told people to sheep me, but I didn't try to cut down anyone's input. 2.aGameplay is trying to cut down my input very early, where he can see that I'm probably going to be a very active player and also likely to be townread and hard to lynch because I've got sass and know how to argue a point.2b He's trying to discredit me as early as RVS, as opposed to just being joking and jovial like town normally do in RVS.

Where do I start with this shit.
1. How did you reach that conclusion?
2a. I have never played with you and never had any interest in you so thus: how would I be supposed to know that you were going to be universally townread as you claim/have sass which makes you hard to lynch/be able to argue a point? Wtf are you even getting those arguments from?
2b. I never discredited you. The slug thing was a joke fyi. The gut thing wasn't. Simply because I disagree with you and your way of making reads doesn't mean I am discrediting you. Not to mention that gut isn't reliable at all so I am at my right to say that its shitty to call people town/scum on page 2 based off gut.
So what do I get from all this shiat: RB has an ego problem - he thinks he is too good at mafia, he can't take criticism and got butthurt by my comments. Being the immature thing he is he decided that if I go against him I must be scum. Newbshit at its best.
On the other hand his whole attitude screams town - this one is p damn hard to fake. So given his nonsense arguments and my town read on him I labeled him VI. And just so you know I ain't discreditting you, you did this to yourself with that content of

It doesn't interest gameplay because he doesn't want people to be playing optimal strategy. Scum hate it when I do this because it forces a dichotomy they simply cannot avoid. They either sheep me or they go against me, and either one draws attention. They either need good reasons to go against me (and there are none right now because it's so early) or good reasons to go with me - but then I'm forcing them to play a good town strategy, so they naturally rebel. This is why I'll probably be NK'd early this game because I'm always NK'd early as town because scum just hate me.

More ego problems. You didn't propose any optimal strategy in your posts.

I'm like those diet pill Google ads that say, "DOCTORS HATE HIM!!!" except I'm a mafia player and instead of doctors it's the scum that hate me.

More ego problems of a 12 year old.
Basically what your case is all about (tldr): I am always right, scum either go against me or with me because I am always right, gameplay has a bad reason to go against me(discredits me because he thinks gut is unreliable) so he is scum
Like go yourself

This is also how scum very often respond to my play - because I bait people into doing things and then turn on them. It's very common for people to think I'm AtE'ing or OMGUS'ing or something, which is an unfortunate side-effect of the way I play but I still do it.

Talk about yourself more please
Then I get some pro advice about wallfighting ty RB I really needed advice from a VI with ego problems.

This is why RB is shittown
Now to scum on my wagon in my next post

[gameplay506]

Its actually pretty sad how obvious scum are and how blindly newbs sheep.

Why ryan is scum:
So lets start off a little bit far. Why do I shittalk in RVS. I shit talk in RVS because every so often there is this bad/new scum player who still doesn't know how to play scum and fake reads, arguments especially and go on hanging onto every single little obvious thing as if its scum claiming they are scum. That's basically why I produce that much shiat at the beginning.
Ryan did exactly that to rb:

Which one of us?

You because of the post below:

Don't worry, I have the charisma and ability to make the Ryan wagon strong. You'll still get your mislynch today

Why's that scummy?

You seem to be trying to get a mislynch. You even stated so yourself.

An example at its best.

Then when he sees that he can side with rb instead of going against him( the hard way) he chooses the opportunistic way:

This is also how scum very often respond to my play - because I bait people into doing things and then turn on them. It's very common for people to think I'm AtE'ing or OMGUS'ing or something, which is an unfortunate side-effect of the way I play but I still do it.

Thanks to my questioning, I've just destroyed that side effect. Actually all you needed to prevent people from thinking so is explaining yourself, although some strategies can't be used once you do so.

Anyway, rb, you've convinced me.
VOTE: gameplay506

Red lights. Fake af.

...
Speaking of LAMIST; the setup tells us that scum have day talk if you missed it, so please bare that in mind over the game.

Naomi-Tan, how did you know scum has day talk?
VOTE: Naomi-Tan

Fos:

gameplay506

Dumbtelling.

The other 2 scum can forfeit if they want.

How do you know there is a total of 3 scum?

Dumbtelling once again. This one is more obvious because the setup was advertised as 10-3 so.

All his other posts are fluff and nothing more. He is the one where my vote is staying atm and I don't inted to change it.
Now the others on my wagon:

Ok, I'll try this sheeping thing... see what happens

UNVOTE: Comparing realities
VOTE: Gameplay506

Really a serious vote though, gameplays responses so far seem seriously off. And to my own surprise, I'm starting to like rb's style a lot more.

This is ok. Especially after he backed it up later saying what he found off about my responses.

Agreed.

VOTE: Gameplay

Shall we wait for him to defend himself?

Why?

Hello everyone! It's nice to see some familiar names, and some new friends as well.

I am liking the look of this wagon on gameplay506.

VOTE: gameplay506

Principally this is a Town read on rb more than a Mafia read on gameplay506.
I don't like the entrance from golden009 in 84, as he fails to comment on the wagon, which to me appears to be the most important feature of the game thus far.
I see something somewhat similar by Martha in 71, but this is partially mitigated by 79, 82, and 92.
I don't mind the reactions from pitoli (98) or Naomi-Tan (119), which address the matter directly.

Still conflicted on that one.

[gameplay506]

I don't intend to look into more posts tonight unless someone wants me to comment on something specifically.
I came here to prove why there are basically 0 arguments on mescum and who is scum. I think I did that.

Some notes from my skimming over the game:
I like Martha's questioning.
Naomi seems genuinely confused so I like her as well.
I have pitoli in my leaning town list too.

[gameplay506]

xd
you are so sweet
but yes I got demotivated but not because of pressure but because of how easily people sheep everything that has been dressed in nice talking even if at its core its basically thin air
I will read more but its currently 12 am here so I didn't want to promise anything

[gameplay506]

I guess you want my thoughts about Dier's vote?
Why I dislike it: It just seems opportunistic and like setting up for whatever situations happens. Meaning that there is a wagon forming on me, he jumps on it. Yet he says " I don't particulary scumread gameplay, I just find him less town compared to rb". How I understand it "if gameplay manages to defend himself and the wagon begins to dissolve I will jump off on the basis of gameplay becoming as equally town as rb". I don't think whether you can understand me because english isn't my primary language but its basically something among those lines.

[gameplay506]

Ye just like naomi said it is missing something because I can't quite understand based on what he is actually voting

[gameplay506]

How about now that he's

destroyed

the case/wagon on him?

Anyway gold doesn't seem any good atm
@Martha I wanna know why since you placed a vote on me out of the blue without any reasoning and then expressed suspicion of pitoli did you still keep your vote? Especially since you admitted that you are most likely just sheeping.

This is why I am voting for Gameplay. Probably me is sheeping

And your reasoning was me over reacting?

[gameplay506]

You are precisely correct about my intentions; I am voting for you less because I find you suspicious than because I am reading rb as Town. I'm not sure why it would be a problem if you demonstrate yourself to be Town and I remove my vote.

Well wtf is that

[gameplay506]

I've never been good with the town/scum motivation hunting but I am pretty sure there is something lacking here
Like what does your town read on rb have to do with you voting me?
I can't make the connection

[gameplay506]

ummmm
why would it be more likely since he can be wrong?

[gameplay506]

more likely he is voting mafia as town*

[gameplay506]

Um no

[gameplay506]

And ryan?
Not a big fan of golden but ryan is worse.
Anyway saru it wasnt the panic button I was pushing but the annoyed from the amount of bs thrown at me button.

[gameplay506]

And ryan?

Not a big fan of golden but ryan is worse.
Anyway saru it wasnt the panic button I was pushing but the annoyed from the amount of bs thrown at me button.

@pitoli

[gameplay506]

Sorry but I find ryan a better place for my vote. I wanna wait and see till everyone has posted whether the wagon will gain traction or not and I am also eager to hear from ryan.

[gameplay506]

UNVOTE: gameplay

Back in two hours. Be careful putting people are L-2 in a game with 3 scum and daytalk, k?

How nice, how nice. Not like scum are going to quickhammer d1 but still thanks for the pro tip.
If you could also elaborate on those conclusions abovr with some valid arguments this time I would be really satisfied.

[gameplay506]

So martha, dier and goldeen are all saying/doing illogical shit while ryan is being fake, full of fluff and with some real scummy dumbtells
This is a good start.

[gameplay506]

@chuck I didn't vote naomi because I didm't find her scummy lol
And about the cool.thing - I said why I do it. It was RVS at that time and you making a fuss out of it doesn't sit well.with me.
@rb could you.please stop saying I am discrediting? You are.playing the victim here by doing that. I basically pointed out why your arguments are either flawed or just.simply false yet.you chose to comfortably ignore my reasoning and keep on talking about how discrediting I was. Quote my discredit then.

[gameplay506]

Meh not liking Chuck. Too nitpicky and asks about things already explained(either overseen or just for towncred).
@chuck you talk about Naomi lying thst she knew there was scum daytalk from the thread. What about ryan who basically acted like he didn't know there were 3 scum and that they didn't have daytalk?
I find his one way more off.

[gameplay506]

The "asks about things already explained" might be invalid because he actually only.commented on posts before page 3 where the discussion started

[gameplay506]

It might be how they did it in 2002 lol

[gameplay506]

I'm more just asking you to not call me shittown or tell me to shutup and talk less. That's discrediting. Stop

No its not. The shut up and talk less was an obvious joke. It was even page 1 so.
I didn't call you shittown based on your playstyle or anything. I called you this because your arguments were all shit. I may or may not share that opinion at present but back then this was my opinion and if it doesn't sit well.with you it doesn't mean its discredit.

[gameplay506]

@Gameplay: wanted to add, I iso'ed you and I do like your case on Ryan. So there's some scum- hunting in your posts. Is Ryan stil your prime suspect? Who else is in your top three?

this sums them up:

So martha, dier and goldeen are all saying/doing illogical shit while ryan is being fake, full of fluff and with some real scummy dumbtells
This is a good start.

I have talked about them in my previous and I am still waiting for the replies of martha and ryan.

[gameplay506]

Yes. Building a case on the scummiest player is something scum can do too

So you think ryan is the scummiest?

[gameplay506]

Ye ur catchup sucks ryan but more on you and martha later
I find rb town because the way he is playing and his whole attitude would be very hard to act for a newbscum (newb because his join date is 2 or so months ago). Also he seems to be one of the few really trying to get scum. Basically I am comfortable with him being town for the time being. I retract my VI read but with that I downgrade my town read as well.
Will mention all this when I have more time later (prob about the time I posted yesterday)

[gameplay506]

You asked me, I replied to you
So it doesn't matter since you have no morr questions, no?

[gameplay506]

Sorry guys my great grandfather passed away yesterday and I wasn't able to catch up.
Will do it after the funeral or tonight.

[gameplay506]

Ye ty for your understanding guys
was really busy the last couple of days so this is my catch up, sorta
I am something like 12 pages behind so I will try to do my best. A side note please keep the posts short and clear because it is really hard to catch up with all the walls and mix of words and thoughts.

Page 14
Hey BBT Glad to see you we haven't played in a looong time
Dier's vote is justified. I myself wasnt happy about the way golden wanted to hop on so I understand it.

Page 15
-I don't think I get 352 but the bits I understood I dislike. It may be the way of expression but I find it off
-Um ye no, Chuck is just purely going by the flow now. It's like reading the posts of other players just in his own words. The tunnel here is borderline ridiculous - he gives towncred to players who voted/suspected Naomi (?) and he is just using arguments applicable to both sides. Don't know about Chuck because he is obviously catching up on soem really old posts but the tunnel is just toxic.
-God Naomi is so obv town it hurts

16

well your more likely to scum read me anyway. given your skipping my catchup posts which boils down to ignoring my comments on 8 pages worth of content (aprox) and more importantly I'm just acting salty and butthurt, because I am.

Like cmon if this doesn't give you the heavy newbtown vibes I dunno what will
-Chuck... Dude this:
v

Sigh... your really not helping. stop focusing on me and focus on other people because there really is nothing for me to say to you on this matter. You think I'm scum because I'm doing scummy things. I opened announcing that I'll do those scummy things and its NAI and you decided not to believe me and ignore the meta that backs it up. What more do you want me to say on this matter? I have no reason to argue this with you because there is not much I can do about the things I do. I am worried about being lynched, I do treat everyone with the benefit of the doubt when they start playing and there is not much I can do about this, its just the way I am.

Is genuine af
-@Glitch - Going back and forth on cass so far. Gonna see what the other pages have for me and then will reply to this
Anyway I like Glitch and we share pretty much the same reads with the exception of Naomi only I think

17
- yep agree with rb on the misrep thing
-liking that Saru post ( the arguments and the questions in it)
yep this is getting tiring
gonna switch to skimming mode

18,19 etc I aint gonna list that shit anymore
Umm expedience sure is something. I like his thinking and him basically replacing into Naomi puts him in my strong townreads
Another shit vote by Ryan lol

Darn, I never realized I actually don't even have a single read. Hopefully I'll be able to formulate one after sometime.

Um ye newbscum anyone? And good god that Ryan v pitoli thing sure is bad
@Dier I don't get how the things at 485 make ryan town
@pitoli just noticed the thing about Dier and it pinged me. You came with even more of it
Imo if there is something it is very unlikely those both are scum because its just too obvious. More like one scum, if I had to choose it would've been martha, following someone(Cass) who she finds strong town

Aboard the martha train! Should I vote for myself too?

I can't defend myself seeing scums aboarding my wagon train.

what is this?

@Pitoli

I am not a scum. Me and Cass' posts are completely coincidental. I tend to look more on the people being accused like for example, Dierfire was accused then I gotta look at him and judge him if he's acting or nah. and my sheep vote on Cass post is because that I want to know more about gameplay. That's why I said should we wait for him. Because that's part of my strategy. I vote on people who's acting scummy, then if they post town or scum then I will figure out things.

If yall still want to lynch me, Great. My mislynch would be good af

So sheeping cus people say someone is scummy?
Martha is beginning to overreact so hard right now

Aaaaaand Ryan jumped with another opportunistic scummy vote
O martha called him out on sheeping.. the irony
Now Ryan votes rb... is this guy playing the dumbcard or something

this game is total madness at this point(page 24), votes are being thrown out, Ryan is once again voting someone for idk what reason like no I am actually laughing in disbelief lol

Ye I am caught up and I can say that the last 3 pages are something straight out of a comedy movie or smth. Didn't even bother to read those.
Fill me up on anything important that I might have missed during my catch up.

[gameplay506]

it is really strange because despite this game being like 12 pages ahead since I last been here I still feel like the progress isn't much
What I mean is that I still have basically the same reads and nothing in my thoughts has actually changed

[gameplay506]

So to sum up my reads
Alive
1) Glitch Like- him
2) gameplay506 -what a nice guy
3) Comparing- Realities BlueBloodedToffee um ?
4) Saru -seems alright
5) pitoli -seems good
6) Naomi-Tan- town
7) Dierfire -um
8) rb -ye still townish but haven't really read his posts during the catch up
9) RyanK- insane or scum. no inbetween
10) golden009- better than before meaning null at best null at worst ( honestly I just skipped your posts sorry)
11) Chuck -nah not to my liking
12) Cass -um no yes?
13) Martha Zolanski- um no

[gameplay506]

Actually Saru and Cass need to post more and more undestandble posts please
Saru, Cass top 3 scumreads?

[gameplay506]

and if no one comes to the ryan wagon I will switch to martha
they are almost on the same insane/scum level

[gameplay506]

Ok lemme read that
but first lets get out one thing out of the way
what is chainsaw?

[gameplay506]

oh so I understood it
I thought you were asking whether martha and ryan could be buddies to which I think no because of the very next post

Wtf guys. RyanK is being jumpy. And yall voting for me because of the non sense synchronization that is just accidentally synchronized. We can't let this scum get a free night kill.

now since I just understood what chainsaw is it really does seem like so

[gameplay506]

or he is just going mad on purpose to be listed off as VI/something
which pretty much lines with my theory that some of his buddies are feeding him those ideas ( to dumbtalk on purpose, switch votes like that, seem completely irrational and now act VI'ish)

[gameplay506]

um ye I could be convinced on martha because reading those hilarious posts with the overreaction give off a town survavilist vibe but how on earth can you call that thing ryan town

[gameplay506]

how on earth=under what arguments

[gameplay506]

omg this game is such a mindfuk
I am seriously considering replacing out because its just so hard to read people in here
the only actually strong reads I have are town: naomi and pitoli and for scum: ryan
Naomi is just obvious imo. I think I can pretty much relate to her from when I was this new(town) because my thoughts were exactly the same as her's now
Pitoli is the only one actually trying to figure out anything. And it isn't fake
Gave plenty of reasons for ryan already
everything else is either a feeling or just nothing really

Yeah I'll explain on Day 2.

How are you going to explain tomorrow since you basically say that you are going to die tonight?

I sheeped Cass because I want to know more about Gameplay that time. Cass' suspicions on gameplay that time was accurate. So I voted for gameplay because of "CASS' REASON" anddddd on that time gameplay is topping the list of my scum list, So I voted for gameplay not just because of cass but because of the fight rb and gameplay did, too.

You yorself said that you were "probably sheeping" now you say I was on top of your scumreads. What's it gonna be finally?
Also @Martha I explained my reasons for the reads. If you want a specific explanation on smb just ask. Unless he is null I will explain.

Rereading Gameplay now, makes me feel he is town. Ryan not so much. Yes, he votes often and not carefully, but note it's never on serious wagons. In a way this way of playing only makes it seem like he is doing a lot, when really he is doing very, very little. He seems to interact with people, but really those interactions are extremely low on content and impact in all cases. On later day, we will have basically nothing to look back on from him. It's a tactic that would work out quite well for scum.

Yep
Iso him all of you. He has done absolutely nothing. His thought process is just ridiculous. His attitude is really off - like he votes player A, then player B tells him player A is town and ryan goes round saying "ye sorry you are right" and unvotes player A. How does that work exactly?

[gameplay506]

This is also how scum very often respond to my play - because I bait people into doing things and then turn on them. It's very common for people to think I'm AtE'ing or OMGUS'ing or something, which is an unfortunate side-effect of the way I play but I still do it.

Thanks to my questioning, I've just destroyed that side effect.

Actually all you needed to prevent people from thinking so is explaining yourself, although some strategies can't be used once you do so.

Anyway, rb, you've convinced me.
VOTE: gameplay506

Ye reading this again it is giving me an odd feeling. Talk between scum.

...
Speaking of LAMIST; the setup tells us that scum have day talk if you missed it, so please bare that in mind over the game.

Naomi-Tan,

how did you know scum has day talk?

VOTE: Naomi-Tan

Fos:

gameplay506

Dumbtelling

I questioned rb why did he think you were a scum, and he gave me the baseless reason that I didn't notice was baseless until it was pointed out as so.
VOTE: Comparing Realities

Votes the person who hasn't made one post and who

cannot defend himself

Actually, VOTE: rb.

Please base your accusation

.

Again that odd feeling of scum talking to scum.

Afterwards there is another vote on comparing.

VOTE: pitoli

This vote is the fruit of this:

The difference of time between the post asking you for a response and you responding was only ten minutes. Why did you say it took an hour?

His overreaction due to the accussation of pitoli.

I can't defend myself seeing scums aboarding my wagon train.

So, I should call you a scum for boarding two other wagons?
VOTE: Martha Zolanski

This is absolutely a terrible reason to join a wagon.

Like I said Naomi's post WAS bad. Gameplay is being sketchy af and Dierfire's sheeping and reasoning for sheeping is awful.
...

Okay, I can understand that and I did have Naomi as townread so whatever.

VOTE: Martha

How is this reason for sheeping Expedience any better, rb?
VOTE: rb for hypocrisy.

?

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VOTE: RyanK
Attacking people for the weakest reasons, accusing them of nonsense and things they didn't say, voting in all the safe places without much in the way of reasoning and just not at all looking town.

How can "accusing people of nonsense and things they didn't say" be a safe place to vote?
VOTE: Cass

First of all his votes make no sense. Yes now somebody is going to say that that is town. But why? He has no arguments, he is doing some irrational shit and he just doesn't seem like he is trying to achieve anything with his votes.
Yes he usually votes because of something like a question he wants answered or just because of something somebody has said. But then even the smallest answer satisfies him. Like he just lacks the fire of a townie wanting to catch scum/thinking he has caught scum.
Secondely his votes are opportunistic (joining big wagons/forming ones or just voting people under suspicion without any real reason). The only exception is rb and this is where
Three comes in - his votes and attention has been strangely concentrated on rb. The most fake and pushed reasons on all of his votes are always on rb. As if he knows rb is the right place to vote but just can't find the reasons to actually do it. Like wanting to get towncred by saying "ye I suspected rb for a long time that's why I voted him" if rb gets lynched and flips scum.

And combining that odd rb talk about "I am going to die tonight"/ I am gonna explain why tomorrow which just makes me lean hardcore on him actually setting up to fakeclaim a pr I begin really to think those two are together.

[gameplay506]

See you're right our interaction is scummy, you're wrong about the scum. It was optimal because I think I could have got more than 1 scum to get on your wagon and then we can counter-wagon on scum later in the day. It sounds dumb but it actually works pretty well. Gameplay is the scum you're looking for. You should vote gameplay.

VOTE: gameplay

Oh, you've explained yourself. Actually a very smart strategy.

Do you really think that anyone's going to lynch you in so few pages and such little time on Day 1? I don't.

On second thought, very true. I retract my scumread on you.

Which one of us?

You because of the post below:

Don't worry, I have the charisma and ability to make the Ryan wagon strong. You'll still get your mislynch today

Really really forced from Ryan's side
Also why I focus so much on those early interactions is because scum early on still don't know how to behave/what to do to push those town buttons. This would be especially true for Ryan who is newb. And for me that interaction in the beginning is just an example of it.

[gameplay506]

I might be harcore tunnelling ryan right now but when I scumread someone this hard I tunnel.
Given that all my other scumreads are so wishy washy and ryan is just pinging me so hard I think I am right and I am going to focus mostly on him.

@ryan reads with reasons in your next post

[gameplay506]

Ryan townslipped

where?

[gameplay506]

Also can we quit talking about prs and Day 2 >< it's really not helpful and it's far too early in the game imo.

Your opinion on rb's nightkill/day 2 talk?

[gameplay506]

I can't defend myself seeing scums aboarding my wagon train.

Martha Zolanski (5): Cass, pitoli, Expedience, rb, RyanK

Those 5 were on you when you said that.
Point me the scum in them.

[gameplay506]

VOTE: Ryan

gameplay is good at the game, we're sheeping her now.

Its a he
And ty <3

Why is gameplay thanking rb for sheeping him?

Everyone aboard the Ryan train, this is optimal townplay.

O goodie

This is a very odd response to rb's post.

Why is that goodie?

Okaaay rb I think it will be best if you just stick to more sheeping me and less talking

Apparently, he wants rb to sheep him without question.
Why did you state that it was a goodie when rb attempts to convince everyone to go aboard my train, gameplay506?
VOTE: gameplay506

@Cass your first mistake was not sheeping me.

Looks like rb also want people to sheep him

Fos:

rb

This is exactly why you are scum ryan. I asked you for reads, I asked you for arguments and you provide this.
This isn't how town would do it. This isn't how town would react. You aren't scumhunting at all - instead of doing something productive you.go back and search for something against me just to throw shade.
I call you and rb partners, you call me and rb partners. Typical.
Like even the fact that you didn't bother replying to me but you straight on went back and quoted some.posts just to throw them at me.is off-putting.
Scum omgus at its best.

[gameplay506]

I can't snip the quote but I don't like Glitch's post the way he backed down from me and onto Ryan. I don't trust that wagon at all.

The way he described Cass' post as town is nonsensical scum waffling and says nothing. I really hate that part, he's just giving reasons why Cass isn't scum for """synchronisation""" etc.

VOTE: Glitch

For rb support and gameplay is pretty town.

The only thing that concerned me in glitch is that he says that lack of arguments/reasoning doesn't make someone scum, that its nai, he wants somebody to explain it to him and yet he votes Ryan.
It might be genuine but it just struck me

Pedit: I asked him for reads with reasoning. I also expected him to reply to my accusations since he pretty much does it but I guess no.

[gameplay506]

Oh it was ryan talking to me sry.

[gameplay506]

Too scummy to be scum is a lazy ass excuse to list of somebody as town.
More fitting here would be "too dumb to be scum" but its still all the same.

[gameplay506]

You srs?
Thank you because I am voting you, he votes with me and tells me that I am a good.player. Rvs stuff
O goodie because I AM VOTING YOU AND HE TRIES TO FORM THE RVS WAGON
Like wtf ryan I feel like an idiot explaining thoss
I want you to reply to all my things now in your next post or just get insta hanged.

[gameplay506]

My behavior is probably because there isn't much to go on with. The scum are hiding too well.

Reads?

[gameplay506]

Lol

[gameplay506]

So doing some isos
@rb you were pretty set on Dier being scum due to his participation on my wagon ( his reasons for voting, etc). After re-read you said he was town there. Why?

[gameplay506]

@gameplay506

I've never been good with the town/scum motivation hunting but I am pretty sure there is something lacking here
Like what does your town read on rb have to do with you voting me?
I can't make the connection

If rb is Town, his vote is marginally more likely to be on a Mafia player than if he were Mafia. Also, if rb is Town then all other players are marginally more likely to be Mafia (from 3/12 to 3/11).

Say again?

Also re-reading Dier I am really surprised you are giving him a townread especially since he has done 0 scumhunting and you seem to really pay attention to that.

[gameplay506]

I return, briefly.

As a blanket response to those commenting on the reasoning for my vote, I've no objection to the characterization of the reasoning as weak (except perhaps to the extent that they imply that stronger reasons/votes were available).

I suppose that the next question is whether I'm reading any specific reaction to my vote as suspicious.

Since golden009 dodged my question about what stronger vote was available (184), and since I am suspicious of his approach to the initial wagon on gameplay506, I am moving my vote.

UNVOTE: gameplay506
VOTE: golden009

I've no objection to the vote by rb in 214 or Cass in 304. I've specific questions coming for Saru and Martha.

Like his vote has been on gold since almost 400 posts and he hasn't even followed up on that nor has he tried to acutally pursue anyone and he is a townread of yours?
Am I supposed to buy that?

[gameplay506]

454 as of now

[gameplay506]

So martha, dier and goldeen are all saying/doing illogical shit while ryan is being fake, full of fluff and with some real scummy dumbtells
This is a good start.

Because I obviously found ryan scum and those three mentioned above questionable. I don't see why I should let go off my pressure on my top scumread just to place another vote on a player who was already having a good amount of votes/pressure for him to react and produce content.
And you basically called me scum upon my "no scumhunting" and tunnel on ryan and now you are saying that scumhunting doesn't matter for you. Mkay

[gameplay506]

Oh and the fact that you're doing like sweet fuckall scumhunting is suspicious af when you pretty much came into this game saying you were gonna find scum. Dierfire isn't doing that. There's a clear divide between what you say and what you do, which doesn't make sense as town - it makes sense as scum posturing as town.

The way you're trying to spin this interaction into how I'm scum for townreading Dier is cute though.

The way you overreact is cute as well.
I guess when your dreams of being an universal townread crush its how it goes.
And throwing shade at me for obviously jokish things said at page 1 isn't going to make me feel better about you sorry.

[gameplay506]

Also can we quit talking about prs and Day 2 >< it's really not helpful and it's far too early in the game imo.

Your opinion on rb's nightkill/day 2 talk?

Pitoli? You should answer this question.

I already gave my thoughts on that.

[gameplay506]

Overreact more
You.know the problem with your self-confidence is that as scum you.will sooner or later get tangled in it and hang. Because bs is bs and bs isn't hard to be found.
And your reaction to me pointing out how bs your reads are is so over the top
Pedit: and suddenly bbt has something to do with it ok

[gameplay506]

VC 1.23

RyanK (3)

: gameplay506, Cass, pitoli

Expedience (2)

: Chuck, Glitch

Martha Zolanski (2)

: pitoli, golden009

gameplay506 (2)

: rb, RyanK

golden009 (1)

: Dierfire

Dierfire (1)

: Saru

Glitch (1)

: Expedience

RyanK (1)

: Martha Zolanski

Not Voting:

BlueBloodedToffee

With 13 alive, the majority is 7.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-07 16:06:30)

Martha should be the 5th on ryan
Glitch is on ryan as well

[gameplay506]

I just don't think Ryan is scum. He's flailing, yes. He's making like zero sense, yes.

But flailing and making zero sense isn't a scumtell, it's a flailingandmakingzerosense tell. Town are confusing af just as much as scum are.

I am getting more and more confident in you/ryan with what you are pushing atm

[gameplay506]

795 is a literal scumclaim.

Lol

[gameplay506]

GLADIATE: GAMEPLAY

So shit

[gameplay506]

I am gonna leave you overreact over here.
Its really fun how you pick up your activity once something scummy of yours has been picked on.
Pedit: drink some meds 'cus I am afraid you are going.to have a heart attack from all this anxiety rb

[gameplay506]

Keep on digging your own grave scum
I am enjoying it

[gameplay506]

Wanna cry now?
I mean I am totally fine with you keeping up the show rb

[gameplay506]

Its basically you being a hypocritical bs lord
Your arguments are valid for people on who you want them to be valid
Your take things out of context and use them to how it suites you
My association with you and ryan
I dont need 5 to think you are scum
And you don't even have 3 on me so

[gameplay506]

Look how gameplay just can't get off this Ryan wagon. It actually looks WORSE if he gets off and he knows that. Let's be real here: gameplay decided Ryan was scum on Page3 and hasn't even TRIED to parse the rest of the game.

You are a fkin discrediting rat
I have been providing points for ryan scum for how many pages now

[gameplay506]

Let's be real here: gameplay decided Ryan was scum on Page3 and hasn't even TRIED to parse the rest of the game. His entire case on me is basically, "you have ego problems, you're a 12 year old, you're a village idiot, you're gonna cry, you're insane, take some meds" blah blah.

And this is completely misrepresented
Like srsly * yourself
I have never played with a more disgusting, self-absorbed and absolutely twisting and misrepressenting player as you before
It doesn't matter whether you are scum or town anymore you are a shit player with an even shittier playstyle
I have no intention to continue this conversation anymore

[gameplay506]

Spoiler:

This is also how scum very often respond to my play - because I bait people into doing things and then turn on them. It's very common for people to think I'm AtE'ing or OMGUS'ing or something, which is an unfortunate side-effect of the way I play but I still do it.

Thanks to my questioning, I've just destroyed that side effect.

Actually all you needed to prevent people from thinking so is explaining yourself, although some strategies can't be used once you do so.

Anyway, rb, you've convinced me.
VOTE: gameplay506

Ye reading this again it is giving me an odd feeling. Talk between scum.

...
Speaking of LAMIST; the setup tells us that scum have day talk if you missed it, so please bare that in mind over the game.

Naomi-Tan,

how did you know scum has day talk?

VOTE: Naomi-Tan

Fos:

gameplay506

Dumbtelling

I questioned rb why did he think you were a scum, and he gave me the baseless reason that I didn't notice was baseless until it was pointed out as so.
VOTE: Comparing Realities

Votes the person who hasn't made one post and who

cannot defend himself

Actually, VOTE: rb.

Please base your accusation

.

Again that odd feeling of scum talking to scum.

Afterwards there is another vote on comparing.

VOTE: pitoli

This vote is the fruit of this:

The difference of time between the post asking you for a response and you responding was only ten minutes. Why did you say it took an hour?

His overreaction due to the accussation of pitoli.

I can't defend myself seeing scums aboarding my wagon train.

So, I should call you a scum for boarding two other wagons?
VOTE: Martha Zolanski

This is absolutely a terrible reason to join a wagon.

Like I said Naomi's post WAS bad. Gameplay is being sketchy af and Dierfire's sheeping and reasoning for sheeping is awful.
...

Okay, I can understand that and I did have Naomi as townread so whatever.

VOTE: Martha

How is this reason for sheeping Expedience any better, rb?
VOTE: rb for hypocrisy.

?

...
VOTE: RyanK
Attacking people for the weakest reasons, accusing them of nonsense and things they didn't say, voting in all the safe places without much in the way of reasoning and just not at all looking town.

How can "accusing people of nonsense and things they didn't say" be a safe place to vote?
VOTE: Cass

First of all his votes make no sense. Yes now somebody is going to say that that is town. But why? He has no arguments, he is doing some irrational shit and he just doesn't seem like he is trying to achieve anything with his votes.
Yes he usually votes because of something like a question he wants answered or just because of something somebody has said. But then even the smallest answer satisfies him. Like he just lacks the fire of a townie wanting to catch scum/thinking he has caught scum.
Secondely his votes are opportunistic (joining big wagons/forming ones or just voting people under suspicion without any real reason). The only exception is rb and this is where
Three comes in - his votes and attention has been strangely concentrated on rb. The most fake and pushed reasons on all of his votes are always on rb. As if he knows rb is the right place to vote but just can't find the reasons to actually do it. Like wanting to get towncred by saying "ye I suspected rb for a long time that's why I voted him" if rb gets lynched and flips scum.

And combining that odd rb talk about "I am going to die tonight"/ I am gonna explain why tomorrow which just makes me lean hardcore on him actually setting up to fakeclaim a pr

I begin really to think those two are together.

Here is where my initial suspicion begins - off an associative tell. Combining that with his strange d2/night 1 talk (I have even bolded why I find it scummy) it raised some alarm.

Since I pretty much had nothing I decided to do iso's and found out the flimsy read that rb had on dier

So doing some isos
@rb you were pretty set on Dier being scum due to his participation on my wagon ( his reasons for voting, etc). After re-read you said he was town there. Why?

@gameplay506

I've never been good with the town/scum motivation hunting but I am pretty sure there is something lacking here
Like what does your town read on rb have to do with you voting me?
I can't make the connection

If rb is Town, his vote is marginally more likely to be on a Mafia player than if he were Mafia. Also, if rb is Town then all other players are marginally more likely to be Mafia (from 3/12 to 3/11).

Say again?

Also re-reading Dier I am really surprised you are giving him a townread especially since he has done 0 scumhunting and you seem to really pay attention to that.

I return, briefly.

As a blanket response to those commenting on the reasoning for my vote, I've no objection to the characterization of the reasoning as weak (except perhaps to the extent that they imply that stronger reasons/votes were available).

I suppose that the next question is whether I'm reading any specific reaction to my vote as suspicious.

Since golden009 dodged my question about what stronger vote was available (184), and since I am suspicious of his approach to the initial wagon on gameplay506, I am moving my vote.

UNVOTE: gameplay506
VOTE: golden009

I've no objection to the vote by rb in 214 or Cass in 304. I've specific questions coming for Saru and Martha.

Like his vote has been on gold since almost 400 posts and he hasn't even followed up on that nor has he tried to acutally pursue anyone and he is a townread of yours?
Am I supposed to buy that?

For now I wasn't even half as convinced on him scum. But then he strarted overreacting like hell and throwing shit at me that I didn't have a case. Seeing his unlike reaction I gave my arguments:

Its basically you being a hypocritical bs lord
1.Your arguments are valid for people on who you want them to be valid
2.Your take things out of context and use them to how it suites you
My association with you and ryan
I dont need 5 to think you are scum
And you don't even have 3 on me so

1. Based on his read on Dire. Dire isn't scumhunting, Dier is town. I "ain't" scumhunting, I am scum. Upon asked why - scumhunting is nai. Yet even now he used it several times as an argument against me. For me this is him getting caught and tangled in his lie.
2. He has proved this many times. With my arguments on Ryan (saying that I have none, which I am going to prove is not true since I pretty much have been providing some all game) to telling me that I am discrediting him and him twisting that RVS talk in his favor.

Now about ryan:

Spoiler:

Its actually pretty sad how obvious scum are and how blindly newbs sheep.

Why ryan is scum:
So lets start off a little bit far. Why do I shittalk in RVS. I shit talk in RVS because every so often there is this bad/new scum player who still doesn't know how to play scum and fake reads, arguments especially and go on hanging onto every single little obvious thing as if its scum claiming they are scum. That's basically why I produce that much shiat at the beginning.
Ryan did exactly that to rb:

Which one of us?

You because of the post below:

Don't worry, I have the charisma and ability to make the Ryan wagon strong. You'll still get your mislynch today

Why's that scummy?

You seem to be trying to get a mislynch. You even stated so yourself.

An example at its best.

Then when he sees that he can side with rb instead of going against him( the hard way) he chooses the opportunistic way:

This is also how scum very often respond to my play - because I bait people into doing things and then turn on them. It's very common for people to think I'm AtE'ing or OMGUS'ing or something, which is an unfortunate side-effect of the way I play but I still do it.

Thanks to my questioning, I've just destroyed that side effect. Actually all you needed to prevent people from thinking so is explaining yourself, although some strategies can't be used once you do so.

Anyway, rb, you've convinced me.
VOTE: gameplay506

Red lights. Fake af.

...
Speaking of LAMIST; the setup tells us that scum have day talk if you missed it, so please bare that in mind over the game.

Naomi-Tan, how did you know scum has day talk?
VOTE: Naomi-Tan

Fos:

gameplay506

Dumbtelling.

The other 2 scum can forfeit if they want.

How do you know there is a total of 3 scum?

Dumbtelling once again. This one is more obvious because the setup was advertised as 10-3 so.

All his other posts are fluff and nothing more. He is the one where my vote is staying atm and I don't inted to change it.
Now the others on my wagon:

Ok, I'll try this sheeping thing... see what happens

UNVOTE: Comparing realities
VOTE: Gameplay506

Really a serious vote though, gameplays responses so far seem seriously off. And to my own surprise, I'm starting to like rb's style a lot more.

This is ok. Especially after he backed it up later saying what he found off about my responses.

Agreed.

VOTE: Gameplay

Shall we wait for him to defend himself?

Why?

Hello everyone! It's nice to see some familiar names, and some new friends as well.

I am liking the look of this wagon on gameplay506.

VOTE: gameplay506

Principally this is a Town read on rb more than a Mafia read on gameplay506.
I don't like the entrance from golden009 in 84, as he fails to comment on the wagon, which to me appears to be the most important feature of the game thus far.
I see something somewhat similar by Martha in 71, but this is partially mitigated by 79, 82, and 92.
I don't mind the reactions from pitoli (98) or Naomi-Tan (119), which address the matter directly.

Still conflicted on that one.

This is also how scum very often respond to my play - because I bait people into doing things and then turn on them. It's very common for people to think I'm AtE'ing or OMGUS'ing or something, which is an unfortunate side-effect of the way I play but I still do it.

Thanks to my questioning, I've just destroyed that side effect.

Actually all you needed to prevent people from thinking so is explaining yourself, although some strategies can't be used once you do so.

Anyway, rb, you've convinced me.
VOTE: gameplay506

Ye reading this again it is giving me an odd feeling. Talk between scum.

...
Speaking of LAMIST; the setup tells us that scum have day talk if you missed it, so please bare that in mind over the game.

Naomi-Tan,

how did you know scum has day talk?

VOTE: Naomi-Tan

Fos:

gameplay506

Dumbtelling

I questioned rb why did he think you were a scum, and he gave me the baseless reason that I didn't notice was baseless until it was pointed out as so.
VOTE: Comparing Realities

Votes the person who hasn't made one post and who

cannot defend himself

Actually, VOTE: rb.

Please base your accusation

.

Again that odd feeling of scum talking to scum.

Afterwards there is another vote on comparing.

VOTE: pitoli

This vote is the fruit of this:

The difference of time between the post asking you for a response and you responding was only ten minutes. Why did you say it took an hour?

His overreaction due to the accussation of pitoli.

I can't defend myself seeing scums aboarding my wagon train.

So, I should call you a scum for boarding two other wagons?
VOTE: Martha Zolanski

This is absolutely a terrible reason to join a wagon.

Like I said Naomi's post WAS bad. Gameplay is being sketchy af and Dierfire's sheeping and reasoning for sheeping is awful.
...

Okay, I can understand that and I did have Naomi as townread so whatever.

VOTE: Martha

How is this reason for sheeping Expedience any better, rb?
VOTE: rb for hypocrisy.

?

...
VOTE: RyanK
Attacking people for the weakest reasons, accusing them of nonsense and things they didn't say, voting in all the safe places without much in the way of reasoning and just not at all looking town.

How can "accusing people of nonsense and things they didn't say" be a safe place to vote?
VOTE: Cass

First of all his votes make no sense. Yes now somebody is going to say that that is town. But why? He has no arguments, he is doing some irrational shit and he just doesn't seem like he is trying to achieve anything with his votes.
Yes he usually votes because of something like a question he wants answered or just because of something somebody has said. But then even the smallest answer satisfies him. Like he just lacks the fire of a townie wanting to catch scum/thinking he has caught scum.
Secondely his votes are opportunistic (joining big wagons/forming ones or just voting people under suspicion without any real reason). The only exception is rb and this is where
Three comes in - his votes and attention has been strangely concentrated on rb. The most fake and pushed reasons on all of his votes are always on rb. As if he knows rb is the right place to vote but just can't find the reasons to actually do it. Like wanting to get towncred by saying "ye I suspected rb for a long time that's why I voted him" if rb gets lynched and flips scum.

And combining that odd rb talk about "I am going to die tonight"/ I am gonna explain why tomorrow which just makes me lean hardcore on him actually setting up to fakeclaim a pr I begin really to think those two are together.

See you're right our interaction is scummy, you're wrong about the scum. It was optimal because I think I could have got more than 1 scum to get on your wagon and then we can counter-wagon on scum later in the day. It sounds dumb but it actually works pretty well. Gameplay is the scum you're looking for. You should vote gameplay.

VOTE: gameplay

Oh, you've explained yourself. Actually a very smart strategy.

Do you really think that anyone's going to lynch you in so few pages and such little time on Day 1? I don't.

On second thought, very true. I retract my scumread on you.

Which one of us?

You because of the post below:

Don't worry, I have the charisma and ability to make the Ryan wagon strong. You'll still get your mislynch today

Really really forced from Ryan's side
Also why I focus so much on those early interactions is because scum early on still don't know how to behave/what to do to push those town buttons. This would be especially true for Ryan who is newb. And for me that interaction in the beginning is just an example of it.

VOTE: Ryan

gameplay is good at the game, we're sheeping her now.

Its a he
And ty <3

Why is gameplay thanking rb for sheeping him?

Everyone aboard the Ryan train, this is optimal townplay.

O goodie

This is a very odd response to rb's post.

Why is that goodie?

Okaaay rb I think it will be best if you just stick to more sheeping me and less talking

Apparently, he wants rb to sheep him without question.
Why did you state that it was a goodie when rb attempts to convince everyone to go aboard my train, gameplay506?
VOTE: gameplay506

@Cass your first mistake was not sheeping me.

Looks like rb also want people to sheep him

Fos:

rb

This is exactly why you are scum ryan. I asked you for reads, I asked you for arguments and you provide this.
This isn't how town would do it. This isn't how town would react. You aren't scumhunting at all - instead of doing something productive you.go back and search for something against me just to throw shade.
I call you and rb partners, you call me and rb partners. Typical.
Like even the fact that you didn't bother replying to me but you straight on went back and quoted some.posts just to throw them at me.is off-putting.
Scum omgus at its best.

p
Iso him all of you. He has done absolutely nothing. His thought process is just ridiculous. His attitude is really off - like he votes player A, then player B tells him player A is town and ryan goes round saying "ye sorry you are right" and unvotes player A. How does that work exactly?

I might repeat myself several times but that doesn't mean I don't have arguments. And as far as I am concerned my arguments are actually more in quantity and more valid than yours rb.

So who is discrediting, rb?

[gameplay506]

Tunneling on scum doesn't hurt town. Sorry.

more of your shit
I tunnel ryan because I am sure he is scum, I am scum for tunnelling
you tunnel me, you are town 'cus you are sure I am scum
ok

[gameplay506]

Before the fight slightly suspicious after the fight scum
And if ryan flips scum, rb is scum 100%

[gameplay506]

In my previous read of Ryan, I said that I felt he could just be VI, but that he seemed to be taking it too far, almost like he's playing up that side of him on purpose. His recent posts have not been helping that feeling go away. Combine that with the fact that he only seems to ask questions that only scratch the surface of things. To ask questions is fine, but to follow up on them is even more important. Following up on answers to your questions is what normal people do. It generates meaningful discussion. Asking questions just for the sake of asking questions is what scum does to fake activity. Ryan never really follows up with his questions, he just throws them out there like he's the Oprah of questions.

If Ryan is being coached in day-talk, I feel like he's being told to just keep doing what he's doing and people will eventually look away and call it VI. Basically, fake it till you make it. Surely, no scum can be this obvious, right? I feel like that's what we're being told to ask ourselves.

Exactly

[gameplay506]

I just decided to read up and once again I see you tunnelling.
Ok rb I pretty much disproved all.of.your arguments so cmon lets have a fight again. You keep on throwing shit after shit at me, misrepresented things to say the least, I keep.on proving how bs you are and people still ignore you and go on saying "oh yea rb is town". Like go on lets do this again.

I agree with Expedience on Chuck because his ill tunnell really bothered me as well.
Tho I disagree with Glitch (I pretty much disagree with everything rb is saying so far). Glitch is like naomi imo - shit but in a town way.
And I also don't get why Ryan is getting a pass. "o he is too bad to be scum". "his posts don't make sense as coming from scum". Well his posts make even less sense coming from town. And lets all face the fact that he IS trying to lurk out of his wagon. He still hasn't provided any reads or arguments and he just comes up.with all sorst of excuses to not provide those any soon. He is stalling until his buds/dumb town deflect the lynch elsewhere.

Phone posting atm will hopefully get to a computer soon

[gameplay506]

rb, you should look at gameplay's ISO in micro 630, he doesn't put in anywhere near as much effort to sort players as he does here, and I think that's a strong and explicit towntell on its own.

What effort does it take to tunnel the most obviously shit player in the game?

Look at open 648
I tunelled the "most obviously shit player" in the game and he flipped scum
Next argument please

[gameplay506]

If we lynch Ryan and he flips town we lynch gameplay next.

And if he flips scum we lynch you ok?

[gameplay506]

Ye alright we'll see how unlikely it is bro

[gameplay506]

@Mod can we get a replacement for BBT?

He has done nothing since he replaced in and now he is going vla for another 3 days which would mean that he will have 3 days to catch up on a 50 page day most likely. And given how reluctant he was on reading 37 page, I doubt he will read 50

[gameplay506]

Computer at last

Hey rb I am willing to compromise at this point. I'll put aside my paranoia of you for now.

VOTE: Gameplay

After a reread, it's hard for me to see how Gameplay's reads haven't changed that much despite engaging/addressing a lot of people every time he posts. Given how confused everyone is all game it doesn't make sense that he's the only one whose ideas haven't shifted or been turned on their head several times throughout the course of the game. I think the tunnel could be a result of not following the game very closely (which makes sense given the RL circumstances), but gameplay responds specifically to certain posts and developments.

People who made readable/town posts are still making readable/town posts.
Example - Saru, Expedience, pitoli
People who made unreadable/scum posts are still making unreadable or scum posts
Ryan (scum), Martha (so-so, leaning town atm), Cass (still can't read him), Chuck (leanscum), Dier (leanscum)
You see all of those people are making the same things they did on the first pages. Martha is still wishy washy, voting here and there, you can't really get into her arguments. Chuck is still pushing the naomi slot like he did on the first pages. I still don't know what cass is doing. Dier was null but upon reread I actually saw how actively nothing he has done and so the leanscum so he is an exception. Rb used to be a townread but now a scumread. Golden is still doing nothing. Can't even adress BBT. I can't really see how I am supposed to actually make any development when the players themselves aren't making any development.
Ryan for example has been scummy in page 2 he is still scummy in page 40. He still hasn't done anything remotely resembling town. I also said that I am gonna tunnel him because I am sure he is scum. Nobody has provided any compelling arguments to prove the opposite and ryan himself is doing a pretty bad job at it.

[gameplay506]

Its basically what I've been saying for some time now - this game is a mess.

[gameplay506]

Can't write an in depth post, but I do have some Q's.

What does lynching Chuck, BBT, or me accomplish?

A Chuck lynch is not a big red flag to me but I'm also not convinced of it. But I'm not on board with a BBT lynch at this point because there's not a lot of content he's contributed so far, and of the content that he has contributed so far I don't remember much about (sorry).

I know the general consensus has shifted away from Ryan here, but it's too much to ignore in my mind that his playstyle conveniently shifted to being a bit more on the serious side once the pressure became real and not just a vote or two. When he got to around four or five he started contributing some more serious content but still in small nuggets peppered with his normal illogicality.

RyanK, I'm not really interested in waiting until tomorrow to figure out why you're playing the way you are, and it's odd to me that that's gone unchallenged when you said you would explain in Day 2.

What's up with the more serious tone in the second part of the day so far? Why the change? And why can't you explain now?

My plan was to collect some common playstyles of scum and town and their thought process behind it. But I didn't want anyone to subotage that data as it may result in inaccurate reads.

The more serious tone is most likely an effect of feeling I'm playing terribly this time.

And the only way to know if someone is town or scum is when some flips. I have decided to leave my plan alone for a while and work and use plan B to read people, where I don't have to wait till day 2.

...

Agreed.

VOTE: Gameplay

Shall we wait for him to defend himself?

Why?
...

Why did you question her questioning of this?

I don't intend to look into more posts tonight unless someone wants me to comment on something specifically.
I came here to prove why there are basically 0 arguments on mescum and who is scum. I think I did that.

Some notes from my skimming over the game:
I like Martha's questioning.
Naomi seems genuinely confused so I like her as well.
I have pitoli in my leaning town list too.

What is it about Martha's questioning you like?
Why do you have pitoli in your leaning town list?
VOTE: gameplay506

All his posts are basically this.
Like I can't seriously be the only one finding it so fake it hurts .

Also I forgot Glitch- yes glitch is bad and kidna scummy and his recent posts are just that but at the same time he seems so damn genuine.
Nothing like the scumfuk Ryan.

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I have and I said on who - dier, rb, martha so-so
I don't see why you consider it normal.for people to switch their reads every 10 pages or so

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Game, I'd say you can read me quite well, since I'm not sure what i'm doing either. How about we lynch Ryan, and see if that and the night clears some things up? Because I can't make much sense of this game as it is.

Yassss
Lynch the scum ryan

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Martha, vote Expedience. Pretty please. You keep saying he's scum but still you're voting RyanK.

Well then what are youe thoughts on ryan?

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Also, w.r.t. your 262 I think Naomi was much worse than Ryan. His looked more believed than hers. I'd rather lynch Expedience. What are your thoughts there?

How would he look more town when he basically dumbtold and said that he didn't even know how many scum there were
Like lol

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Also, w.r.t. your 262 I think Naomi was much worse than Ryan. His looked more believed than hers. I'd rather lynch Expedience. What are your thoughts there?

How would he look more town when he basically dumbtold and said that he didn't even know how many scum there were
Like lol

Dumbtell =/= scumtell, I'd think you'd know that.

Why have you been pushing him so hard but not the Naomi/Expedience slot?

Also that question about the MZ wagon was not rhetorical.

Um chuck dumbtell is exacrly a scumtell
Its basically somebody acting dumb on purpose to be viewed more towny
And I already said why I am not pushing Naomi a couple.of.times. She is town.
Wtf is wrong with you.people why should I be pushing people who I townread and switch my reads every couple.of.pages, is this the new meta or something

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Unless its a Dier or rb wagon I ain't moving my ass off Ryan.
Atm I see 0 arguments for Dier town as well.
I also don't see why rb is being an universal townread. I mean he speaks a lot and he has confidence but actually anything besided that? His arguments suck, his reads suck and he has been practically leading this town by the nose.
So pls @pitoli or smb that I like do tell me why rb is so town

Pedit: um chuck I have been basically saying its an intentional tell and I aint voting either of those 2 atm
Naomi is the biggest nope this game
Martha is totally different case that should be figured out later imo

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I

might've

skimmed over most.of Naomi's posts because they are just walls upon walls of useless talk and I

might've

not really read her in depth but she strikes me so town it hurts really. Like every game there is this one townread I have based off mostly on the feeling that someone is sincere but I am always correct and it always flips town. I don't think I am wrong here because she is just SO sincere i say again.

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@ryan this is the last time I ask - reads with arguments
You either do that or I start screaming rb style #LynchRyan #LynchScum
And please stop stalling your death with those semi-retarded questions directed at me. You ain't gonna get anything to use against me.

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Agreed.

VOTE: Gameplay

Shall we wait for him to defend himself?

Why?
...

Why did you question her questioning of this?

I don't intend to look into more posts tonight unless someone wants me to comment on something specifically.
I came here to prove why there are basically 0 arguments on mescum and who is scum. I think I did that.

Some notes from my skimming over the game:
I like Martha's questioning.
Naomi seems genuinely confused so I like her as well.
I have pitoli in my leaning town list too.

What is it about Martha's questioning you like?
Why do you have pitoli in your leaning town list?
VOTE: gameplay506

What is the problem about answering these questions I presented you? If there is none, please answer the questions. If there are, please state the problems.

I aksed my questions way before you did yours and you still havent replied to mine. Unless you do it I wont reply to this.

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Because gameplay hasn't actually addressed arguments, he just says that I'm dumb/bad/nonsense without explaining why, like you are now. What's nonsense about scumreading gameplay?

I ADRESSED ALL YOUR FKIN ARGUMENTS OMG
Like ok I am leaving this shit

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Because gameplay hasn't actually addressed arguments, he just says that I'm dumb/bad/nonsense without explaining why, like you are now. What's nonsense about scumreading gameplay?

He doesn't really do anything but continuously tunnel on Ryan unless someone interacts with him directly. He's got the fakest looking activity in the game and is totally full of shit with his butthurt/VI/egotistical accusations.

Thank you for explaining.
Back to Null town
UNVOTE:

And she buys that explanation like wtf
I am sick of this
Ryan is so obviously stalling his wagon
Rb keeps on misrepresenting me
He will prob say "I am scum" and people will give him town points for it
Like wtf go fix your brains
I aint even gonna read anymore, this town is pathetic

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Agreed.

VOTE: Gameplay

Shall we wait for him to defend himself?

Why?
...

Why did you question her questioning of this?

I don't intend to look into more posts tonight unless someone wants me to comment on something specifically.
I came here to prove why there are basically 0 arguments on mescum and who is scum. I think I did that.

Some notes from my skimming over the game:
I like Martha's questioning.
Naomi seems genuinely confused so I like her as well.
I have pitoli in my leaning town list too.

What is it about Martha's questioning you like?
Why do you have pitoli in your leaning town list?
VOTE: gameplay506

What is the problem about answering these questions I presented you? If there is none, please answer the questions. If there are, please state the problems.

And you are such a little piece of shit I am sure now that rb is feeding you what to say just to annoy me on some extreme scale.

I WANT YOUR READS AND YOUR ARGUMENTS
YOU HAVE DONE NONE SO FAR
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU PROVIDING THEM???

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I don't get why it's hard for gameplay to answer, "what do you like about this player?" and,

"Why are you townlean on pitoli?"

Apparently those questions are reasons to blow up and have a capslock rant?

I asked him once. He replied with more questions which i answerwd. I asked him again he replied with questions for me
I am not mad, he is dodging

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I've never understood why players get so insistent about answering questions, I usually just leave it unless I really want to know.

Glitch, can you claim? Game's going in circles.

Because I was going to use it in a case. His unwant to answer the questions already says enough.
gameplay506-scum
Case no.1. Having a problem answering three questions without this list (not sure why)
Case no.2. Unbased reads
the other 11 players I would consider null with Cass at a slightly higher position as scum till I find the response to his question in his past post.

O god
Let the ryan defenders rush in and begin protecting this god awful scumshit post
"ryann is town" they will say
Ryan you have ignored like 100 of my questions already so if not answering questions makes anyone scum that would be you
And with that fake ass annoying attitude you have put on I ain't even gonna consider

reading

your questions
@rb how were my replies inadequate?
I mean given that your arguments are inadequate I find my answers pretty satisfying

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))

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wtf ryan isn't getting lynched is that so?
Gonna look up the other wagons if some of them correspond to my scumreads but expedience wagon is awful
But If I had to choose between Exp and Glitch, Glitch def

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ok really someone sum-up the arguments on expedience and glitch because I ain't reading that
Basically what I understood you vote Expedience for him wanting Glitch to claim (which is bs because why would scum ever say that?)
and glitch because?

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I have another lynch on my mind:
If its not going to be Ryan
What about his bud Rb?

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I have another lynch on my mind:
If its not going to be Ryan
What about his bud Rb?

Prove beyond doubt that rb is guilty.

Look you are either retarded or his scumbud so I doubt that even if I prove anything that you will actually vote him so

If you support the CLAIM DUEL, type:

Code: Select all

[hurt]Glitch[/hurt]

HURT: Glitch

This is symbolic of the hurt we will collectively inflict on Glitch at the conclusion of the CLAIM DUEL.

Pls gimme those arguments on glitchscum
quote them or whatever

Pedit: welp exp bro I can't support something that I don't even see arguments for

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Ryan bud I ain't gonna give you the opportunity to annoy me
Anyway to all townreading rb because of his scumhunting please go on his iso, press ctrl+f, type gameplay and enjoy the "arguments" on me scum
I might even make a post about it if you guys are too lazy to do that when I am not too lazy to type because its just so ridiculously scummy lol

Anyway I decided not to switch votes because ryan is scum, rb is too good at bs'ing town atm for anyone to vote him,dier is actually slightly better and there are no arguments on glitch whatsoever
So i am gonna re-read some people in the hopes of finding any leads

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Nah i am gonna be you and act like a total dick and answer it 10 pages later cya

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Soooo marthaaa why are you voting glitch?

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Nah i am gonna be you and act like a total dick and answer it 10 pages later cya

I feel like the purpose of this is to find an excuse to deny us information. For now, the post rates are so low, he couldn't possibly be answering it in 4 days.

Nah i am gonna be you and act like a total dick and answer it 10 pages later cya

I feel like the purpose of this is to find an excuse to deny us information.

Even Ryan can see it.

Are you guys worse than Ryan?

So cute. I like the fact that you completely ignore how ryan wasn't answering my question and was just stalling his wagon with excuses (which frankly succeeded).

Ryan put this on himself. He is scum and he wants to be an ass. So fk him. The only question I haven't answered is Ryan's and I frankly won't answer anything of his.

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Soooo marthaaa why are you voting glitch?

1126 and 1127

The first reasoning is meh and the second one doesn't even explain why he has to claim. Martha gurl cmon you really sheeping because of that?
Meeh

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Ye you dont answer them at all lol

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W/e I am not spamming the thread
I am not even going to go into your iso to prove anything because I feel like the more I dig the more shit is thrown on me because of my "tunnel". And again I still don't see how my tunnel is viewed as scummy and rb is totally getting a pass despite his mediocre at best efforts but ok I guess this is how the rules of the game go lol.

Pedit: the readlist question

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I've never understood why players get so insistent about answering questions, I usually just leave it unless I really want to know.

Glitch, can you claim? Game's going in circles.

Because I was going to use it in a case. His unwant to answer the questions already says enough.
gameplay506-scum
Case no.1. Having a problem answering three questions without this list (not sure why)
Case no.2. Unbased reads
the other 11 players I would consider null with Cass at a slightly higher position as scum till I find the response to his question in his past post.

Tell me this - you have switched your votes dozens of times and said its for pressure and reactions. You have asked dozens of questions. You have been basically doing everything that would help you with your reads.
In the end you.come up with a 12 people null and 1 scum (because you.Omgus) read list. Please explain.

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No really a ryan lynch is the way to go.
He either flips scum or in the slim chance of him flipping town there will be a lot of info to work with simply because everyone has interacted with him at one point or another.
Pedit: lolk

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If Glitch is town, he will immediately stop lurking in the scum PT after he gets prodded, and claim to initiate the CLAIM DUEL. Otherwise, he acknowledges that he would rather stall and hope a deadline wagon forms on me, because fewer players are willing to vote him currently.

And how is Glitch stalling his wagon any different compared to Ryan when he was stalling his?

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It is absolutely and unambiguously not going to be juicy and informative looking at the policy votes that keep piling up on Ryan.

My vote isn't policy

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Lol ok expedience
Lets see that claim duel with glitch based on who knows what arguments

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gameplay506, deciding not to answer my question just because you don't like my answer to yours isn't going to help town.

You obviously don't take the answers into account, those questions are stupid and I've also given an explanation to my pitoli read several times.
And next time when somebody asks you something answer instead of being shit ty
And pls dont twist it as if I am not responding to you because I am discontent with your answer ty

VOTE: Glitch
Ok I'll sheep have it your way expedience

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Ye cus during that time I had rl issues and I wasn't able to post bbt but you'll see for yourself
I don't find cass scummy maybe a slim townlean but mostly null
The only one who has called me scum is rb and his arguments are p ridiculous which you are going to see as well

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Nah I haven't and I don't intend to do any more isos today.
There are several.people that are just a mindfuk to read and cass is one of them. I can't really get a hold of his thoughts nor his intentions but he doesn't strike me as something bad either so I decided to leave him for tomorrow.
My main scumread since the beginning is Ryan. I am phoneposting so I won't quote any posts but you'll see my arguments there. Also he is the reason rb is pointing his finger at me so much which is bs I have also said why.
After some interaction with rb I think he is scum as well. There is a pretty incriminating imo fight with me vs him around page 35 or 40 where he just lost it because of me questioning him about his read on Dier.
I don't like Dier as well. I guess I am just going against the flow at this point but Dier has just done a great job at blending into the crowd imo. His posts are just reads, reads and some questions which I really don't see use of. Still a relatively weak scumread compared.to Ryan.
And then there are people like Martha who I go back and forth. Right now I have her as town, kinda stupid town but town.

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Um ye we should wait for him to come and claim

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I can see why people would think Ryan is town but some of his posts just show a town thought process that I don't think scum could manipulate. Ryan looks like lynch-bait to me.

Meeeh
Would you mind quoting me those posts

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Yassss

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Are you an idiot rb?
When have I said expedience is scum?
More.of your bs but o well

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Because I want to.
Ryan isnt getting lynched, you arent getting lynched, dier isnt getting lynched. Dier is a small scumread fyi.
Glitch is one of the so so players and I am not going to push things 4 days before deadline that are definately not hapenning today and wasting my time.

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Xdxdx ryan's responses are awesome

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Mkay sure and how do we make you hesitant

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Pitoli is practically parroting rb at this point

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Did you read up?

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The many happenings from post 761 to post 864

An accusation was made against Glitch,
By Expedience, who decided to lynch,
The accusation was based on his defence,
About synchronized posts, for Martha and Cass.

The reason, for Glitch's vote on me,
Was brought in Gameplay, with an accusation,
Glitch's reason for vote was a bit fishy,
The reason for it, was my lack of reason.

It was fishy, because he stated,
Lack of arguments, isn't a scumread,
Thus, another argument was thrown quickly,
By five-zero-six gameplay.

Rb came in and accused gameplay,
For he thought Dierfire as scum,
But decided to vote me anyway.

Gameplay, defended himself poorly,
Because of defensiveness, which turned things terribly,
However, defensiveness isn't a scum tell,
As both factions, may react defensively.

Rb looked terrible while attacking gameplay,
As opportunism, is a very strong scum tell,
That such a strong scum read was found finally.

The conclusion, I will let you make your own,
As bias reads, shouldn't be well known.

-Ryan

I dont get this

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This large wagon swing makes me feel like scum were definitely in on it, even if not necessarily leading it.

I agree with Glitch however, that if he flips town, Expedience looks more town due to the claim duel thing.

That makes me suspect that either/both of RyanK and Martha Zolanski would be the scum he was a counter wagon to.

The fact that he was mostly gone during his wagon's growth is also a deciding factor in that it was a bad wagon.

It's disappointing that you guys didn't at least wait until I got back. Pushing through a wagon on the weekend is bad form even when people haven't announced V/LA.

ye say that the wagon swing looks scummy when he was hammered lol

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Um so can we lynch something I want or not?

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Um why is it weird?
I am not saying I didn't want glitch but he was what he was - a compromise. I am talking about today and whether people.would be up for any of the things I want.

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Because I want to.
Ryan isnt getting lynched, you arent getting lynched, dier isnt getting lynched. Dier is a small scumread fyi.
Glitch is one of the so so players and I am not going to push things 4 days before deadline that are definately not hapenning today and wasting my time.

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Ryan and rb obviously

So lets see what rb has to say about his dying n1 talk and if ryan has actually come up with anything during the night

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The many happenings from post 761 to post 864

An accusation was made against Glitch,
By Expedience, who decided to lynch,
The accusation was based on his defence,
About synchronized posts, for Martha and Cass.

The reason, for Glitch's vote on me,
Was brought in Gameplay, with an accusation,
Glitch's reason for vote was a bit fishy,
The reason for it, was my lack of reason.

It was fishy, because he stated,
Lack of arguments, isn't a scumread,
Thus, another argument was thrown quickly,
By five-zero-six gameplay.

Rb came in and accused gameplay,
For he thought Dierfire as scum,
But decided to vote me anyway.

Gameplay, defended himself poorly,
Because of defensiveness, which turned things terribly,
However, defensiveness isn't a scum tell,
As both factions, may react defensively.

Rb looked terrible while attacking gameplay,
As opportunism, is a very strong scum tell,
That such a strong scum read was found finally.

The conclusion, I will let you make your own,
As bias reads, shouldn't be well known.

-Ryan

I dont get this

And I still dont get what this means

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Ryan and rb obviously

So lets see what rb has to say about his dying n1 talk and if ryan has actually come up with anything during the night

I

really

feel like Ryan is town. I just can't bring myself to lynch him. I will look at him later in the game if were both still around.

I really don't like what you just said about rb either...

Also, quick question, when you do reads-lists, do you usually copy/paste the 'Alive' section from the Mod opening post?

Guuuys please stop jumping to conclusions about my posts
I never used this as a solid argument against rb, I just said I find it odd and it

might

be him positioning for something thats why I wanted it explained. I never said that he is scum because of it
And ye copy paste is the easiest

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Chuck and golden actually exist wow
Will read them when I am not on phone

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I am phoneposting atm but ye

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Mm there was another post in which rb tries to appeal to u if I am correct but I don't really think anything of those. Am I supposed to lel?

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Fuck, Dierfire has done 0 scum hunting.

Fuck this fucking game.

Um ye basically what I have been saying
About the rb thing - meh I see why you say its bad but nah its not a slip. Imo it isn't even worth the attention because its just shitposting.

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Anyway gameplay is scum. He's had me as a strong scumread: but then he votes with me.

Then he says I'm scum, but acts all distant from the read. "You guys are reading too much into it" blah blah. And, "I told you guys this was a bad lynch" - even though he was on the wagon and voting aligned with a scumread of his.

Gameplay is scum. He literally just shit talks and flails and pretends like he's "frustrated" to get townreads.

I already explained several times why I voted.

Reading too much into it is exactly what it is. There are better arguments on youscum that can be found and this one can't even be considered an argument. I think you are scum but I ain't desperate, I won't agree with everything just because it is against you.

And stop putting words in my mouth - I never said Glitch was a bad lynch, I just said that I would like to get one of my most desirable lynches today.

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Same here

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Can I get replaced out of here pls? Too fast for me, I lost interest in mafia recently and I have a lot of other things to do so ye. Hf all