I should maybe do the v/la tags huh
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VOTE: skitter
@mod I’m on v/la this week
I should maybe do the v/la tags huhHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Persivul you town?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Ye
Gonna lovktown you for now because I really do struggle to read you and randomness is on my side
Nobody touch Persivul he’s our D1 ICHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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WOW I’m not sure how I missed the 5 headed hydra in signupsIn post 12, Smile wrote:
Yoooooo.
Something that maybe needs to be said: We are a 5-people hydra, and we don't plan on signing our actual usernames, and use magical girl code names instead, hopefully that won't be a problem. We're cool though, I promise. Also It's not exactly hard to find who the five of us are.
Anyway, I believe the only person I played with before is Chara, so, hello hello to people, this is Cure March. I'll leave the RVS to the other girls.
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That’ll... be a thingHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Persivul come vote skitter
It’s almost a real wagon and your vote will help it cross that special thresholdHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Man what a boring vote
Not only is it on obvtown but you’re super missing out on a quality wagon over here!!
Stop having FOMO and start joining the best RVS wagon!Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Oops this should have been a PM huhIn post 6, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: skitter
@mod I’m on v/la this week
I should maybe do the v/la tags huh
Well whatever functionally I’ll probably still make time to show up all week tbhHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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But but but insomnia you forgot to vote skitter instead!Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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This is even more interesting imo38. There are two Jailkeepers in this setup. The first time they both target each other, they are both protected. The second and subsequent times, they are both roleblocked and not protected.
Suggests claiming jail keeper will be useful at some point though maybe not d1Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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It was a sort-of apology to funkybike because you pointed out something from a mod post so I read through all the words of the mod posts and i noticed the rule about PMing the mod if you’re v/la which is already done wrongIn post 23, Persivul wrote:In post 6, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: skitter
@mod I’m on v/la this week
I should maybe do the v/la tags huh
The first post pinged me as self-conscious, but first post so whatever.In post 20, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Oops this should have been a PM huhIn post 6, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: skitter
@mod I’m on v/la this week
I should maybe do the v/la tags huh
Well whatever functionally I’ll probably still make time to show up all week tbh
Talking about it AGAIN so soon...pretty sus.
I’m also just very bored and posting anything that comes to mind
But yeah I mean if someone has to be scum on the first page I’m definitely a top 3 candidate (after Chara and insomnia) so I don’t blame youHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Ooh maybe you ARE town
Way to hammer scumHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Interesting pointIn post 30, Smile wrote:
That seems to imply both JKs are town, no? thoughts?In post 2, funkybike1 wrote:Role PMs will be sent shortly. Night 0 begins now; Day 1 will begin after everyone has confirmed and night actions have been taken.
Since I'm sure at least one of you skimmed through the rules: There are two Jailkeepers.I suggest that the Town try and keep them alive.[/b]
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I feel it’s reasonable to assume at least one isHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I feel good about me and Persivul being the same alignmentIn post 38, Shiidaji wrote:
I'm looking for a biiig beefy hunk to vote with me wydIn post 32, insomnia wrote:That’s one scum pinned, who’s next?
how do u feel about Percy+Elephant together
I’m trying very hard to pocket him so from the outside looking in I find SvS a weird explanationOuch but at least you’re joining a wagon
If you L-2 skitter I’ll vote where you ask later (L-2 is currently my goal here, for anyone wondering)
Not the first time I’ve been compared to Flavor Leaf but it’s weird every time!!In post 43, Shiidaji wrote:mmmmmmmmy only idea of Percy comes from replacing in for him in Zulfy's game. I also expected him to immediately shush and table the role-fishing Town JK discussion because of his "by the book" playstyle that Vedith described. Percy in post 23 should have voted elephant since he is the type to hop on players like skitter for pressure in the first place anyway I also got a bad feeling from elephant's first few posts in the same way that I did on Flavor Leaf in that game.
Show me where I “encourage early role discussion”In post 46, Shiidaji wrote:Initially as I read p1 I had the same thought process as Percy had in 23, elephant felt self-conscious in the two VLA posts. In addition a player who's experienced enough to be comfortable with writing the underlined thoughts below!!! vv
but still encourages early role discussion felt counterintuitive to me. If elephant is an experienced player they should be ignoring that thread of convo completely until absolutely necessary.In post 26, Irrelephant11 wrote:
It was a sort-of apology to funkybike because you pointed out something from a mod post so I read through all the words of the mod posts and i noticed the rule about PMing the mod if you’re v/la which is already done wrongIn post 23, Persivul wrote:In post 6, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: skitter
@mod I’m on v/la this week
I should maybe do the v/la tags huh
The first post pinged me as self-conscious, but first post so whatever.In post 20, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Oops this should have been a PM huhIn post 6, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: skitter
@mod I’m on v/la this week
I should maybe do the v/la tags huh
Well whatever functionally I’ll probably still make time to show up all week tbh
Talking about it AGAIN so soon...pretty sus.
I’m also just very bored and posting anything that comes to mind
But yeah I mean if someone has to be scum on the first page I’m definitely a top 3 candidate(after Chara and insomnia) so I don’t blame you
I would suggest that my few comments were directed toward bringing that conversation to a quick end, having said what needed to be saidHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Your point is clear. Is the value in pointing out the obvious so there is not room to speculate wildly not also clear?In post 54, Shiidaji wrote:In post 48, Persivul wrote: I didn't see any rolefishing. That was setup spec, which in a semi-open is fair game according to the book.
My top of the head thoughts on it: JKs are town. At some point they can claim and thereby conftown themselves, as a fake claim would presumably be CC'd. PLUS, they can protect each other that night. If they can avoid being NK'd or run up and forced to claim, they should probably claim a day before potential lylo.
like... in my head this feels obvious and not worth talking about lmao. what I have against it is competent scum potentially combing through conversations related to this topic to Jailkeeper-hunt. Is my point clear yet let us join hands.In post 50, Persivul wrote:
I get that if someone does nothing but setup spec it's scummy, but aside from that - what do you have against it?In post 46, Shiidaji wrote:but still encourages early role discussion felt counterintuitive to me.
Site meta lately is premature ejaclaimation. People can't keep their mouths shut. If proper use of known roles is to wait until later before claiming, pointing that out seems appropriate.
Not the towniest entrance, I agree with SmileIn post 56, ClearlyClarity wrote:wtf it’s page 3 alreadyIs there a player named vote
No there’s not
What is this
Tris the towny one for being original when he posted it imoIn post 65, insomnia wrote:
You and tris better start proving it, even if you are town, claiming it doesn’t excuse you from game solving.In post 61, Fuscezu wrote:Hi Im townHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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So sorry for the misgender tris!
Chara why do you townread meHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Also I lightly townread the hydraHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I think I can read you fairly well when I’m not lazy about it
e.g. I townread your tone *always* but am improving over time at my ability to search for your motivationsHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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The way the jail keepers can protect each other is also town-indicative for the roles imo
If nothing else I doubt the JKs are mafia - though the OP does mention the possibility of 3p’sHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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No I’m trying to make as many people as I can vote you as a roundabout way of catching scum!you by forcing your scumpartners to play with a forced early wagon on you that actually nearly approaches a lynchIn post 136, skitter30 wrote:
got it.In post 134, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think I can read you fairly well when I’m not lazy about it
e.g. I townread your tone *always* but am improving over time at my ability to search for your motivations
and i'm guessing that you're trying to see if u can rattle an ai response out of me rn?
Then when I flip your theoretical partners I’ll ideally have a clue to stop townreading you (which is my tendency if I’m lazy, which I sometimes am)
Alternatively I was kinda hoping a meme wagon would form on you that would semi-spew you town to make reading you easier but that didn’t happen which I think is probably NAI for you
But feel free to rattleHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Yeah it’s kinda contingent on your partners being worse at being scum than you > therefore making them play around you before you show up is a good idea in the long runIn post 143, skitter30 wrote:ok pretty confident on town!irrel i think
and that is ... an interesting approach to trying to read me that i don't think anyone has ever tried before and i'm pretty interested in seeing how you'll apply it.
and yeah idk if meme wagons form on me? heck even actual wagons don't form on me that often really at this point
But maybe your partners are good at scum too or maybe you’re town or maybe this wasn’t that effective; I think only time will tell it was just an idea I had on page 1Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I’m losing interest in lynching Chara/Persivul/Smile today
I’m gaining interest in lynching Shiidaji/Clearly/Fuscezu
VOTE: ShiidajiHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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If you’re town I think you’re wrong in townreading Shiidaji for early playIn post 177, RCEnigma wrote:That makes two of us. However this is a different setting, I'm one of the strongest players she had to face off against and I'd argue most if not all present are better players than me. I don't expect her to panic but I also don't expect her to be so dismissive of early scumreads on her slot. It's not a strong read but my initial impression.
I'm always going to default to town side on slots that try to transition out of rvs unless it's generating social reads, which I didn't get from this game. Plus Shiidaji proposing the persivul/irrel team read townie to me because it's a nontown statement if that makes sense.
What I mean is it's considered antitown to make assumptions around preflip associations and I think Shiidaji is cognizant of that. So at best it's an attention grabbing statement that scum generally avoid. Also it encourages town to consider new perspectives which opens the door for scumhunting even if it isn't directly done by him. I dont know if that was really the intention but that doesn't change my mind all too much.
If you’re scum, though, interestingly I think you’re spewing Shiidaji town a little bit here
I guess all I’m saying here is scum!RCE makes me think town!Shii but town!RCE doesn’t affect my Shii readHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Totes locktownIn post 171, Miss Kobayashi Maru wrote:today i townishly slept through all my alarms, townishly rushed to work, put in a good full towny day, townily went to the gym afterward and then returned home where I am now. reading the thread and striving to do so with the same townish zeal I put into everything else I did today
Actually though I have basically no read aside from a slight tonal townread hereHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Talk to me more about CC “town on demeanor” and explain why it’s more likely than “newbscum playing the part of cheerful-newb”In post 165, RCEnigma wrote:With that said I'm on the other side of the fence from both of you since I think CC is probably town on demeanor and I kind of like shiidaji.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Show me which posts give you “indifferent” vibesIn post 211, RCEnigma wrote:
Because it was indifferent newb. Which is imo bolder and less likely from someone that may feel outclassed.In post 204, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Talk to me more about CC “town on demeanor” and explain why it’s more likely than “newbscum playing the part of cheerful-newb”In post 165, RCEnigma wrote:With that said I'm on the other side of the fence from both of you since I think CC is probably town on demeanor and I kind of like shiidaji.
Also my point about Shiidaji is not just that I disagree with you about your read on Shii (I don’t feel especially strongly about Shii yet anyway), just that your reasons for townreading Shii are bad imoHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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tell me moreIn post 254, Chara wrote:skitter did town things and i decided i could rest instead.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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have you explained the rce read? I don't see itIn post 264, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I'm more confident on irrel's and rc'sIn post 256, tris wrote:
What's the difference between fuscezu and me, and irrel and rcenigma here?In post 183, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ugh I have fuscezu and tris as townleans for some reason.
Maybe chara too.
I like irrel and rcenigma for townHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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So if I understand correctly, your townread on shiidaji is because they did something anti-town and you think highly enough of shiidaji to expect that only town!shii would be so blatantly anti-town + by being bad it lets other people scumhunt better (which I don't agree with btw)In post 177, RCEnigma wrote:That makes two of us. However this is a different setting, I'm one of the strongest players she had to face off against and I'd argue most if not all present are better players than me. I don't expect her to panic but I also don't expect her to be so dismissive of early scumreads on her slot. It's not a strong read but my initial impression.
I'm always going to default to town side on slots that try to transition out of rvs unless it's generating social reads, which I didn't get from this game. Plus Shiidaji proposing the persivul/irrel team read townie to me because it's a nontown statement if that makes sense.
What I mean is it's considered antitown to make assumptions around preflip associations and I think Shiidaji is cognizant of that. So at best it's an attention grabbing statement that scum generally avoid. Also it encourages town to consider new perspectives which opens the door for scumhunting even if it isn't directly done by him. I dont know if that was really the intention but that doesn't change my mind all too much.
My response is: anti-town things are done by scum sometimes. Duh?
So I'm not really seeing the towncaseHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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why did the game stall? scum apparently feel comfy
Let's go.... here VOTE: charaHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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well I guess this is a bit of a subjective call, maybe this game is just a bit slowerIn post 273, Irrelephant11 wrote:why did the game stall?
But it definitely feels like the stakes have gone down since the first few pages when takes were spicy and play felt exciting so I'm gonna ride this subjective take onto a chara wagon
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In post 256, tris wrote:
What's the difference between fuscezu and me, and irrel and rcenigma here?In post 183, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ugh I have fuscezu and tris as townleans for some reason.
Maybe chara too.
I like irrel and rcenigma for town
Oh I read these as connectedIn post 257, Chara wrote:awkward charisma, interesting contributions. in four words.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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do me a favor and quote me some skitter posts with interesting contributions?In post 275, Chara wrote:
i did. i gave you four more words!In post 270, Irrelephant11 wrote:
tell me moreIn post 254, Chara wrote:skitter did town things and i decided i could rest instead.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Why not I'm all about that unnecessary paranoia it's like my default
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skitter you should come vote shiidaji
pedit: I reminded myself of why I scumread shiidaji and it's stronger than my (just now remembering that it's finals week) gamestate readHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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oh are you not voting shii? yes come join
have we had any vc's idk where people are votingHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Oh apparently I've just been glossing over the orange posts because they're orangeIn post 180, funkybike1 wrote:Debating theory/outguessing the mod always tends to be a thing in these games. It very rarely works.
The text of the OP regarding the Jailkeepers was intentional; this isnota confirmation that both are Town.
I redacted a thought here - not because it relates to ongoing games but because I think it'd be more helpful to say after a flip than before any flips
someone remidn me later
pedit: I have no read on skitter yetHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I don't see how those sorts of comments are iioa. Can you explain that to me?In post 289, insomnia wrote:Since my vote on Persivul isn't going anywhere and people don't hop on him for some reason, I'll do this
VOTE: Smile
5 headed hydra and you can't come up with a read and you are so neutral when it comes to giving reads. it feels off. you're like "insomnia is scum because of this, but i can see him being town" , "not feeling cj's posts", plenty of Iioa
They're not very strong comments, I agree, but what about a five-headed hydra being a bit neutral feels off to you? I have a hard time seeing how the slot would be moving strongly in any direction as either alignment
That said my townread there was always weak, I don't really mind the vote
The vote thing was originally meant to be a post-scumflip way of reading skitter (how many scum were on her wagon, did any scum choose me to vote instead of her, etc)In post 291, insomnia wrote:
so you got no reads off your plan with the fast wagon? thought you were pretty good and you thought you were confident in reading town skitter?In post 285, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Oh apparently I've just been glossing over the orange posts because they're orangeIn post 180, funkybike1 wrote:Debating theory/outguessing the mod always tends to be a thing in these games. It very rarely works.
The text of the OP regarding the Jailkeepers was intentional; this isnota confirmation that both are Town.
I redacted a thought here - not because it relates to ongoing games but because I think it'd be more helpful to say after a flip than before any flips
someone remidn me later
pedit: I have no read on skitter yet
And she hasn't done much I consider strongly indicative of her being town, nor really of being obvscum. So I don't have a read yet
I'm not sure why I should have a strong read this early - do you feel like skitter's alignment is obvious here? You've got posts on this same page saying you don't know how to read her so farHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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scumslip?In post 299, insomnia wrote:you said you're pretty good at town reading her
I have a pretty good read rate for skitter, but to be frank I've almost always townread her and the read rate partially comes from the fact that she, like most, is usually town. I am trying new things to make sure she stays on her toes. I have also read a lot of her games/played with her a lot so I like to think I won't be tooooo easily duped by townreading her tone - her tone being something I think is a big contributor to that badge she wears. None of that means that by page 13 I am guaranteed to have a read on her.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Willing to bet this isn't ever SvSIn post 301, insomnia wrote:Also, I forgot that this is a god damn hydra because I've never played with one and then I figured why people want them vetoed from their games. It's so hard to keep track of everyone's read and it's weird to see one account having different scum reads and town reads, so that's totally on meHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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lol been there
I've decided to townread you for now, CC. Got any scumreads?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Yeah why is this game slowwwwHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I was about to try to make a PoE but I have to go into a meeting
Hot take: fuscezu is scum
idk if that take is hot it's just something I'm feeling in this momentHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Are you trying to convince me? ...I'm the reason you're voting shiidaji, I thought?
I agree shii's posts are sorta scummy. Pretty sure shii's been absent sitewide though, so idk how AI that isHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Feeling sick. Glad my “hot take” got a conversation moving
Kinda don’t townread the two votes that followed my read, but I also doubt they’re ever s/s
Hopefully I’ll be healthy and clear headed tomorrow
Skitter I’ve only mindmelded with you like 1.5 times this game. Are you scumHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I meant tomorrow irl
Idk about Smile’s meaning of the word
Yes I want to talk to you about things but not right now I’m gonna sleep nowHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Alright time to remove some townies from our collective lynchpool
Let's do playerlist order:
ceejayvinoya
Chara
ClearlyClarity
Fuscezu
insomnia
Irrelephant11
Miss Kobayashi Maru
Persivul
RCEnigma
Shiidaji
skitter30
Smile
trisHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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a pretty meh vote for page 4, not necessarily alignment indicative on its own.
I think I sort of townread the quick change in mindset? Not sure scum!CJ gets much out of this anywayIn post 100, ceejayvinoya wrote:
This is an improvement.In post 96, Chara wrote:i like them too. it's cute.
Shiidaji: i liked insomnia's entrance and agreed with what he said about both elephant and Percy, two players i'm townreading so far. and he feels good, feels organic.
you feel marginally less good and less organic with the focus you've chosen right now, and i have to echo insomnia's point of you appearing to make judgements based on what you think someone's playstyle should be rather than what it actually is. you can contrast that with what i feel from insomnia with a genuine desire to understand.
it's great to see you as well! i hope we can have a fun game together again. <3
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I remember townreading the tone here att. Still kinda do.In post 103, ceejayvinoya wrote:We always hurt the ones we love
Not sure I see all these reads (fuscezu and RCE being the most surprising at this point in the game imo)In post 183, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ugh I have fuscezu and tris as townleans for some reason.
Maybe chara too.
I like irrel and rcenigma for town
If CJ's town the "ugh" might mean "It doesn't make obvious sense but my gut tells me"
If CJ's scum this post probably contains one if not both of his partners
This is probably the scummiest post from CJ so far - taking the time to further this defensive conversation about his own vote, and mischaracterizing his own post in the process (before now he has never insisted the Chara vote was RVS, in fact just the opposite). Meanwhile no other reads get furthered, no scumhunting done here... etc. Enough for a scumlean if I didn't have one beforeIn post 261, ceejayvinoya wrote:
refer to the reply I gave to insomnia.In post 241, skitter30 wrote:
....In post 181, ceejayvinoya wrote:Their early posts were not interesting.
Which struck me as blending in for some reason.
i'm not sure i agree with u that chara's early posts were not interesting
i'm also not sure that that having 'not interesting' posts is indicative of trying to blend in?
it's not really indicative in the sense of "oh they did this, that must mean this.". But it's a start. Remember it was my rvs vote.
This looks like s/s but also maybe like s/t if cj's just trying to get on RCE's good side. CJ I would love to see you explain what gave you a strong townread on RCE before post 183.In post 263, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I like his posts, he makes more sense to me as town.In post 255, tris wrote:I think there was something else I meant to respond to, but I lost it.
Why is rcenigma town?In post 183, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ugh I have fuscezu and tris as townleans for some reason.
Maybe chara too.
I like irrel and rcenigma for town
Again, not furthering any reads or scumhunting, just endlessly explaining his own actions... Yes people are asking him questions, but that shouldn't cut off his ability to ask questions himself.In post 264, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I'm more confident on irrel's and rc'sIn post 256, tris wrote:
What's the difference between fuscezu and me, and irrel and rcenigma here?In post 183, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ugh I have fuscezu and tris as townleans for some reason.
Maybe chara too.
I like irrel and rcenigma for townAnother meh vote. Sheeping the read of someone he's said he townreads (me), but also voting someone he says he townleans (fuscezu). Doesn't look like genuine scumhunting from here.
Towniness: ★☆☆☆☆
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Quick caveat about CJ: I've seen him in the LHF seat before I think. I'd suggest we double check his meta on this before lynchingHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Quoting this here to remind myself to explicitly do the mental work of not townreading Chara's cheery tone. Being happy and making sense are two tools some scum get very far with, and from experience I'd put chara in the list of those who use them as scum.
Good reason for a vote, and a good vote imo.In post 53, Chara wrote:VOTE: Shiidaji
i feel the exact opposite about his elephant/Percy proposal!
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This makes sense to me I guess. Not sure I love that I'm getting a "free pass" because it doesn't make Chara easier to read fmpov but given our past experience it's not out of character.In post 131, Chara wrote:you're a good player and i have some knowledge of your scumgame. innocent until proven guilty is good for me.
same sort of situation as skitter.
Like yeah I've heard these words from town!Chara before. If scum, Chara is mostly trying to avoid stepping on anyone's toes - I'm not sure they'd be so intensely careful like this. I should glance through our shared scumgame to verify.In post 132, Chara wrote:i could go into it further, but i don't see a reason to start talking about how i think you should be read as scum when i don't need to.
Saying my reads are good with one exception is basically NAI (either we're mindmelding or I'm an easy pick to sheep as scum) but I include it to remember Chara's reads from here forwardIn post 151, Chara wrote:
elephant after my own heart. except for Clearly.In post 150, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m losing interest in lynching Chara/Persivul/Smile today
I’m gaining interest in lynching Shiidaji/Clearly/Fuscezu
VOTE: Shiidaji
Again, giving a lot of room for townreading players, not pouncing on anything.In post 258, Chara wrote:though i'm not sure of the scum motivation of ceejay finding a problem with me, then unvoting once the problem had been resolved. the post he quoted was the first one that really held any thought process from me.
And again. My main concern here is Chara's only showed two scumreads and has townread most other players so far. Not a huge deal, but could be indicative of scum having an easy time townreading town.In post 278, Chara wrote:125[post] and [post]244.
i'm still keeping an eye on skitter, but i don't think unnecessary paranoia is helpful after our last game.
I think I'm more inclined to believe they're town so far, though. Scum!Chara is not making it easy for itself to be part of a mislynch this gameday, unless their partners are strong as scum and Chara's confident a mislynch will happen regardless.
Chara could you explain this townread?In post 313, Chara wrote:i'll never understand the business of saying one head of a hydra is scummy but not the whole hydra. usually that just means it's a personality thing.
and i'm townreading Smile, but that's besides the point.
Chara could you explain this townread?In post 314, Chara wrote:i don't know if scum Clearly would keep talking about experience anxiety here.
Chara could you explain this townread?In post 412, Chara wrote:oh, and given another game just ended, i'm more comfortable saying i townread Fuscezu, and i agree with skitter's take that you quoted there.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Out of the PoE? Yeah probably, as long as the townreads have good reasoning.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Anyone around and wanting to participate? This is more fun with a friendHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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yeah we can do shiidaji
I was doing list order because I didn't have an orderHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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you go first on shiiHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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tbh I kinda expected someone to partner-read my play with Persivul but only in a shallow sense i.e. "Irrelephant giving himself an excuse to not scumread Persivul right off the bat sure is a convenient scum/scum play... but oh wait, it also draws a lot of early attention to them both... maybe it's not" is the thought process I expected at least one person to have. I originally scumread that shii stopped halfway through this thought process, though rereading more posts I'm not sure I still feel that way...In post 38, Shiidaji wrote:I'm looking for a biiig beefy hunk to vote with me wyd
how do u feel about Percy+Elephant together
That game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79035In post 43, Shiidaji wrote:mmmmmmmmy only idea of Percy comes from replacing in for him in Zulfy's game. I also expected him to immediately shush and table the role-fishing Town JK discussion because of his "by the book" playstyle that Vedith described. Percy in post 23 should have voted elephant since he is the type to hop on players like skitter for pressure in the first place anyway I also got a bad feeling from elephant's first few posts in the same way that I did on Flavor Leaf in that game.
I see now the connection between my play here and FL's play there, actually (he fakeclaimed masons with a scumpartner on page 2 or so). So I'm not as bothered by this as I was originally.
This is still my least favorite post from shii. I wish shii hadn't disappeared before answering my question about why my very shallow role speculation was scummy, given I didn't encourage anything that would out anyone really.In post 46, Shiidaji wrote:Initially as I read p1 I had the same thought process as Percy had in 23, elephant felt self-conscious in the two VLA posts. In addition a player who's experienced enough to be comfortable with writing the underlined thoughts below!!! vv
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but still encourages early role discussion felt counterintuitive to me. If elephant is an experienced player they should be ignoring that thread of convo completely until absolutely necessary.It was a sort-of apology to funkybike because you pointed out something from a mod post so I read through all the words of the mod posts and i noticed the rule about PMing the mod if you’re v/la which is already done wrong
I’m also just very bored and posting anything that comes to mind
But yeah I mean if someone has to be scum on the first page I’m definitely a top 3 candidate(after Chara and insomnia) so I don’t blame you
but especially the scummy thing was agreeing with Persivul that my v/la comments were self-conscious. I don't think they were (I mean I know for a fact they weren't, but my point is I think it's a bad read) and this sorta reads like "hmm if I can't get Persivul and Irrelephant to look scummy together, maybe I can turn Persivul on Irrel by sheeping Percy?"
Okay so for a second I was gonna give this one to shiidaji with the following thought process:In post 47, Shiidaji wrote:
I'll continue this discussion after Persivul explains why he didn't just vote elephant in 23In post 45, insomnia wrote:As for Percy, it seems like you are casing him based on what you think is his playstyle and he should strictly follow your line of action that you made for him. I don’t know how accurate your reads are based on that, it would certainly take me a lot of games with someone in order to determine how they would usually act.
- shiidaji has seen scum fakeclaim masons and is reminded of that here
-- in that game, shiidaji was a replacement for persivul, so persivul has also seen it
--- shiidaji has the somewhat reasonable expectation that persivul should scumread me for doing the weird thing FL did, even though Persivul knows he himself isn't scum
But post 23 is the one where Persivul scumreads me for being self-conscious.
but onsecondthird thought maybe it's still reasonable for shii to expect Persivul to follow up on a scumread with a vote?
I did townread this post from shiidaji tonally. "Let us join hands" being actually very towny tonally, the more I think about it. I don't necessarily expect scum to go "I am trying to talk in such a way as to avoid scum understanding, but so that townIn post 54, Shiidaji wrote:-snip-
like... in my head this feels obvious and not worth talking about lmao. what I have against it is competent scum potentially combing through conversations related to this topic to Jailkeeper-hunt. Is my point clear yet let us join hands.In post 50, Persivul wrote:
I get that if someone does nothing but setup spec it's scummy, but aside from that - what do you have against it?In post 46, Shiidaji wrote:but still encourages early role discussion felt counterintuitive to me.
Site meta lately is premature ejaclaimation. People can't keep their mouths shut. If proper use of known roles is to wait until later before claiming, pointing that out seems appropriate.willunderstand. Lock eyes with me andget it, please."
This post is basically NAI without the followup.In post 58, Shiidaji wrote:
I don't really feel Percyscum anymore Chara. It is nice to see you again my friend. Do you feel like insomnia's entrance was natural? I liked post 45 trying to follow up on my thought process.In post 53, Chara wrote:-snip-
Towniness: ★★★☆☆
Out of the PoE? Depends on replacementHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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sameIn post 446, Chara wrote:i wanted to pressure him, but with the disappearance i can't, nor can i discuss with him to see where his head's at.
i also didn't like the elephant case being about the jailkeeper thing because that was one item in an ISO that, at the time, was not just mechanical content.
good point
I landed townier than I expected on reread. Gonna move my vote to VOTE: ceejay while I continue my rereadingHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Let's do skitter next since I promised skitter some thoughts and questionsHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I mean my goal here is to remove townies from the POE so if you have any skitter town points you feel are strong bring those up pleaseHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Spoilers to make this readable:
Spoiler: Some weak thoughts on early posts
Spoiler: posts I didn't likeIn post 157, skitter30 wrote:
why smile? i don't feel like they've said much ai reallyIn post 150, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m losing interest in lynching Chara/Persivul/Smile today
I’m gaining interest in lynching Shiidaji/Clearly/Fuscezu
VOTE: Shiidaji
i kidna want to vote ceejay actuallySo here's the weirdest thing I see in skitter's ISO:she questions my townread on Smile, who so far she has only gut-townread in agreement with me. feels like skitter "forgot" her townread when she realized it could actually take a mislynch off the table.
otoh maybe she forgot her townread for real.
Spoiler: Summaries of things I really do townread
Spoiler: This read progression is good
@skitter there's only a few questions in here
pedit: some good points from Chara re: skitter's play has extraneous stuff that scum!her probably doesn't post.
Total mindmelds: 2 I think
Towniness: ★★★★☆
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Vote CJ!In post 456, ClearlyClarity wrote:Someone convince me why I should vote your top scumread. Give me something an idiot like me can work with.
Reasons for:
-Slow gamestate implies scum feel comfortable and/or are mostly absent (CJ fits in the second)
-Has spent 90% of his time itt defending himself
-Has five townreads and is voting one of them
-Has no scumreads
Reasons against:
-Small chance he's low hanging fruit, but if so I don't see scum taking advantage of it, soooHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I've since noted that my read on Fuscezu was mostly a way to get things moving/reaction test, with a little paranoia. I think CJ's vote (and yours, though probably not both together) looked like scum trying to turn a bad read into a wagon
I would like to hear more from you about why you scumread Fuscezu, though.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Oh! Well, then instead of voting Fus you should vote CJ!Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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