Mini 1504 - Antihero Mafia REBOOT [GAME OVER]

[Varsoon]

/Conformer
(is the best weapon in FF7)

[Varsoon]

Vote : Angry Pigeon

I guess I can RVS for once.

[Varsoon]

Sorry about the past, SSK.

Actually, I'm really depressed right now, so many logging on wasn't the best idea.

[Varsoon]

To answer your question, Pidgeon, I usually let the game roll for a bit before engaging with it.

I'm not going to replace out on Antihero, but don't expect much out of me until I work out of this funk. I can't do anything right lately.

[Varsoon]

Gonna spend more time with this when I get a moment.

As it stands, wondering why the vote progression has been as it has been.
Two big wagons worth looking at.

[Varsoon]

@PASCHE: Because I still hold that AP is scum.

*crossarms*

[Varsoon]

@PASHCE:

I'm not cautious, just belligerent and busy.

@FLYING BEAUTIES:

Yo, Mollie, I don't quite like your appeal to ethos in 222. I've been skeptical of you for this whole game, but that's because I'm -always- skeptical of you. How do you feel about AP, and what insight can you give me about how your hydra partner plays?

-V

[Varsoon]

How do you feel about AP,

Ok, so Varsoon isn't reading the thread.

Don't you cut me off when I ask a direct question,
And don't you discredit me like that again.


VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Varsoon]

Welp, Varsoon is back to derping.

Damn it, man,
Let me live without putting me in the dirt every time I make a move!

[Varsoon]

I get the nauseating sensation that I'll never be listened to (again).

This shit really bugs me.

[Varsoon]

Well that might be because you are asking questions that are pretty publicly answered already and revoting scum you were already previously voting.

You ever think there's a reason for questions to be asked a second time?

1- I get a personal answer, which allows me to see the disparity in how FB types to me as opposed to someone else.
2- If FB declines to answer, and instead points me to an earlier post, it gives me insight on FB's approach to play this game in

how

the response is structured.
3- There's more to it, but I really think you don't give a damn.


As for re-voting you, it's called Reiteration.
Here, this might help:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reiterate

[Varsoon]

@MAJIFFY: There's a difference between elaboration and backpedaling.

Fuck, why did I even post in here? All you guys are doing is discrediting me.

[Varsoon]

@PASCHE: Not drunk, just lame.

@FLYINGBEAU: Was a bit discouraged when more than one player jumped on me. Last time this happened was Death's Diner, and it wasn't pretty. Of course, I nabbed scum that time, but no one cared to listen.
What's your case on Buck/AP?

[Varsoon]

I really like the case on SSK in 264. It is pretty much the same conclusion that we have come to.
Add to that the reasons behind the Varsoon votes and soft PL push and you have a prime candidate for a lynch. However we prefer Pasch for scum and feel he needs rope the most.

The vote on me was an RVS-related one, largely due to... you know what?
Nevermind.


Looking at Grim, LyingCat, and AP as my scum for now.

I think Majiffy's just razzin' me and isn't scum, but we'll see.


I think it's really suspicious that Grim came in with about a billion posts and Lying Cat immediately says "GRIM SO TOWN" and then they both overlap on their lynch pools. It's just really awkward.


Then again, maybe I need to sit down with this game, look over all the posts, and stew with it for awhile before hitting the submit button here.
Nah.

[Varsoon]

Egads.

VOTE: The Grim Reaper

[Varsoon]

Not sold on Beli being scum.

I'm with Splintered on AP = scum.

I'm also all for a Grim lynch, but no one's supporting that.

Guess I'll have to get in here and do some work soon.

[Varsoon]

For now?

Vote: AP

[Varsoon]

Yo, AA9.

I'm not doing my best, that's for sure.

But I'm town.

So, that's basically what you're going to have to live with.

[Varsoon]

Oh wait, yeah, I -do- feel good about this.

Vote: The Grim Reaper

I'm pretty busy now, but I'll try to post something worthwhile later today.

[Varsoon]

@AP: Does anyone panic when I vote them?

@FlyBeau: <3 Just don't hurt yourself.

@Grim: I'll elaborate a bit more when I get some time to do so.

[Varsoon]

There are too many lurkers in this game. Where are Lying Cat, F&L, Shadow and Darthe? No content makes me want to vig so hard.

Vig Grim.
Dude's scum.
Trust me.

[Varsoon]

I can't hear you over my hangover.

A pity, that.

[Varsoon]

@Grim: I'll elaborate a bit more when I get some time to do so.

Your elaboration being: "Vig dat shit whuahuahua"?

You are useless. You behave like a lazy idiot, running on intuition that's probably been eroded after years of being a couch potato. I'm simply waiting until you get bored of this yourself and ask for a replacement.

Majiffy, what do you think of the stuff I got against Paschendale? Ain't it pretty?

Pretty offensive take, don't you think?


But, please, do try to suffocate the only voice that's got a vote on you.
It's cute.

[Varsoon]

Everyone that's okay with a Varsoon lynch better explain why they are.

Because you guys are pretty damn scummy for all just saying "Yeah Varsoon would be a mighty fine lynch" without articulating why, or putting votes there.
It's a pretty transparent case of baiting the wagon, so when it happens you can point fingers at people when I flip town.

People that are spouting that are the same folks I'm reading as scum, so it matches up.

Grim, AP, FnL, and Flying Beauties should all be put under a lot more scrutiny than they are right now.

If I was to make a large case, it'd be read as OMGUS and, besides, most of the active and influential players in this game are the ones I'm campaigning against.

So I'll keep my input succinct.

[Varsoon]

Grim's antagonistic, puts too much weight on certain pieces of evidence, is trying to become a dominant town-voice, and has already played the card of being opposed to but still capable of supporting policy lynches and low-info lynches.

All of that rings as scum for me.

[Varsoon]

JKLM is a terrible wagon that doesn't really get us much further in the game.
Fairly certain the way he reacted to the fake hammer and his claim check out.
Grim's scummier for it, too.

Why should I be on the JKLM wagon when all my biggest scum-reads are pushing it the hardest?

[Varsoon]

Pretty much.

If there's not scum between Grim, FlyBeau, Beli, and JKLM, then the scum's already won.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE: ;

VOTE: Varsoon

Your predictions about JKLM flipping town and the wagon being all scum are simply fascinating. I'm sure all the scum are clumped on this singular ML.

And your last post is the emptiest most vapid pretense of being helpful I've ever encountered.

JKLM's reaction to being 'hammered' is null as fuck and was ruined by all the surrounding crap involved anyways.
Grim is scummier for it because?

And a snooty rhetorical question over why you arent voting JKLM; lovely.

Looks like I touched on your buttons, there.

I never wrote that the entire JKLM wagon is scum. There's just some major scum motivation that's keeping it pushed at this point.
I also never said he'd 'flip' town,

Your rhetoric betrays you, AP.

VOTE: AP

[Varsoon]

Pretty much.

If there's not scum between Grim, FlyBeau, Beli, and JKLM, then the scum's already won.

Varsoon, you are confusing me with this post and a couple posts earlier where u say the JKLM hammer does not get us anywhere? If he is in your scum pule, why are you waiting?

PoE.
Basically, if the major people behind the JKLM and Beli pushes aren't scum (AP, FlyBeau, Grim), then logic leads me to believe one of JKLM or Beli is scum.

Still, I'm putting my bets on AP for now.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon I take it the 4 people in post 718 are your top scum reads... why was AP not there? Nice OMGUS BTW

No, that's simply a PoE pool.


Also, I don't think you quite understand the nature of what OMGUS means. Simply voting someone who votes for me is not an act of OMGUS. Especially in this case, where his vote for me betrayed inconsistencies and false accusations, some of which make it seem as though he knows the result of JKLM's flip prematurely.

My top scum reads are AP, Grim, and FlyBeau, in that order.

P-EDIT:

AP, you still are misrepresenting my original expression. Obviously, the entire wagon isn't scum. I wrote that

my biggest scum-reads are pushing it the hardest

.

You're constructing an argument that doesn't exist, AP.

And that's kinda scummy.

[Varsoon]

@AP: Or I'm able to see that he's an easy mislynch that's being strung up. But, hell, I could be wrong. Dude could be scum. I just don't think he is. That's the nature of the game. I've decided to read him as town, and to read you as scum.
His gambit resonated with me.

It's interesting to see that, after I've made my accusations and held my ground, you lost a good bit of the venom and furor that your earlier posts had.

@Pasche: Please read all of my posts before commenting on only a handful of them. I also plan on killing scum. My biggest picks for scum are Grim and AP.

All I can do is hope that other players put their votes down where they see fit.

[Varsoon]

Focusing on the technicalities of language is a very scummy defense to make.

not when the player on the offence is twisting words into subtle misreps and this is not the only player you have done this to.

<3

[Varsoon]

I misunderstood that one sentence.

The point still stnads that he is claiming that JKLM is town because his top scumreadS are pushing it when really only I am.

And he thinks JKLM's reaction to the hammer was townish which is completely absurd. There is zero reason for Varsoon to be so sure of JKLM over this; hes posturing on it because I am on the wagon.

Either hes trying to pain the wagon scummy for after JKLM flips or is just trying to save JKLM.

Place your bets now.

You're creating a false reality with the bolded.
This is exactly what misrepresentation is.

[Varsoon]

It's interesting to see that, after I've made my accusations and held my ground, you lost a good bit of the venom and furor that your earlier posts had.

There is no actual way you believe

this statement.

Lol Buddy Molly harder Varsoon.

Why is Grim scummy for the fake hammer?

P-edit: Im explaining your motives that explain your irrational and unjustified defense over JKLM. It is a conclusion I have drawn from the nature of your JKLM defense and your reported reasons for townreading him.

You keep writing things like the bolded--that I can't believe X or that there's 'absolutely zero reason to believe' Y.

The actuality is that

you

can't believe that I believe in something.
There's a big difference, because what you're doing right now is representing me as a person who is playing differently from what my beliefs are.
Which isn't true.

[Varsoon]

Grim's antagonistic, puts too much weight on certain pieces of evidence, is trying to become a dominant town-voice, and has already played the card of being opposed to but still capable of supporting policy lynches and low-info lynches.

All of that rings as scum for me.

AP, when you post several times in a row like that, it's cute.

[Varsoon]

Besides, I've spent the last hour justifying my read and vote on you, AP.

Don't try to put the pressure elsewhere, or direct this someplace else.

[Varsoon]

Vote : Angry Pigeon

I guess I can RVS for once.

@PASCHE: Because I still hold that AP is scum.

*crossarms*

How do you feel about AP,

Ok, so Varsoon isn't reading the thread.

Don't you cut me off when I ask a direct question,
And don't you discredit me like that again.


VOTE: AngryPidgeon

Not sold on Beli being scum.

I'm with Splintered on AP = scum.

I'm also all for a Grim lynch, but no one's supporting that.

Guess I'll have to get in here and do some work soon.

For now?

Vote: AP

Yes.
I wasn't even voting for you until just now, and I haven't considered you as scum before this point.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon I take it the 4 people in post 718 are your top scum reads... why was AP not there? Nice OMGUS BTW

Yeah, it was Grim that accused me of OMGUS.


Anyway,

I want to know why you think Grim is scummy, particularly over the fake-hammer.

676 ruins a chance at further reaction from JKLM.
693 adds nothing, but makes it look like Grim is doing something.

When reading, it seemed as though Guyett sincerely felt that it was a quick-hammer, or at least a vote that would enable one. When swapped to the Grim account, Grim argues that the vote wasn't a hammer and was never intended as one, which makes me read the vote as a vote to put someone at L-1. An unexplained vote that puts someone at L-1, done within 2 minutes of the previous vote, later masked as reaction fishing (but not from JKLM) and unvoted?
Feels scum to me.


Also, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop misrepping me, AP.

[Varsoon]

Pretty much.

If there's not scum between Grim, FlyBeau, Beli, and JKLM, then the scum's already won.

Varsoon, you are confusing me with this post and a couple posts earlier where u say the JKLM hammer does not get us anywhere? If he is in your scum pule, why are you waiting?

PoE.
Basically, if the major people behind the JKLM and Beli pushes aren't scum (AP, FlyBeau, Grim), then logic leads me to believe one of JKLM or Beli is scum.

Still, I'm putting my bets on AP for now.

WTF? If the majority of ppl aren't scum and u are including AP in there, then you are putting your bets on one of the list you just mentioned as not scum?

Reading comprehension.

IF they aren't scum, THEN these others are more likely to be scum.
IF.

As in, THESE ARE MY TOP SCUM PICKS
BUT if THEY ARE NOT SCUM, THEN...

It's not that difficult.

[Varsoon]

Angry pidgeon is scum.
Beli is scum. That's all I'm sure of.

Angry is scum because look at who he thinks is scum: me, varsoon, and NEARLY EVERYONE ELSE. Scum trying to leave mislynched open.


Please don't let them discredit me tomorrow. Don't underestimate me ever, Beli is scum for sure. (I'm just really bad at presentation)

You all ready to eat your foot? Not really, it isn't your guys fault for the mislynch, it's really mine, a don't need to tell me that, so yay.

Good luck town. This is a tough list of people.

I tried, JKLM.
I really did.

It was really obvious from your play so far that you're town.
Reads list, bro?

[Varsoon]

Darthe, I've got talent.
;_;

[Varsoon]

Fair enough.

[Varsoon]

But, AP, the problem with your lists is that
You have had JKLM as scum for awhile (he probably isn't).
You have me as scum (I definitely am not).

[Varsoon]

Welp.
VOTE: AP

[Varsoon]

You guys are absurd.

I can believe someone is scum.
In fact, if I articulate it and have good rationale for doing so, that's scummier of me, because it sets me as more town. It goes out of my way to set me as town.
I don't need to waste time going out of my way to seem town.
Because I am town.

By now, people should understand that I tend to play Even Level scum and Odd Level Town;
As Scum, I am trying to appear as town. I avoid doing things that are suspicious, I cover my tracks, I'm insidiously coherent, to the point, and at times, long winded in my explanations.
As Town, I do not care about my appearance. I vote for who I think is scum. Sometimes, I make cases. Sometimes, I'm lynched.

I think I've got a better scum game than town game.
It's hard for me to find scum.
Sometimes I just do, but it's hard for me to garner credibility because the process I use to garner credibility is, to me, a scummy one.

Does this make sense to anyone?
Anyone at all?

Anyway, it's clear that the kill was made to leverage a wagon against at least one of the people F&L wrongly thought was scum.
I'm not going to jump the gun and say that was me, mostly because there's an ambivalence in voting Varsoon right now, as there always has been.
Scum can hide in the WIFOM smoke-screen that is 'Varsoon is scummy'.
The problem, though, is that I'm scummy when I'm town and I'm town when I'm scum.
That's WIFOM-able, since I'm cognizant of my own Meta, but, honestly, given the amount of time and effort I've put into this game, it's clear that I've gravitated to a norm rather than spent the time defying one.


So, honestly, I can vote who I want, because I believe they are scum.
I don't need anything more than that rationale, as town.

[Varsoon]

my definition of being on the wagon would be actually voting .

I do find it suspicious that he both pushed and distanced himself from the wagon at numerous times.

Where?
I'm fairly certain that while I couldn't be -sure- that JKLM was scum, I knew damn well he was town since he claimed.
It was obvious, and you're all either scum or blind for staying on that wagon after that point.

[Varsoon]

my definition of being on the wagon would be actually voting .

I do find it suspicious that he both pushed and distanced himself from the wagon at numerous times.

I also think it's incredibly queer that this is the basis for suspicion that you have of me, when you're guilty of exactly the same practice throughout this game.

Bunch'a snakes, the whole lot of you.


VOTE: Grim

There's scum between Grim and AP.
I've made it that easy for you, town.
Do the work, you'll see it too.

[Varsoon]

WIFOM.

my definition of being on the wagon would be actually voting .

I do find it suspicious that he both pushed and distanced himself from the wagon at numerous times.

Where?
I'm fairly certain that while I couldn't be -sure- that JKLM was scum, I knew damn well he was town since he claimed.
It was obvious, and you're all either scum or blind for staying on that wagon after that point.

Yes, because a claim is always truthful.



He claimed VT. Then you waffled around calling him scum and town and scum and town. But the cherry on top was the "It was really obvious from your play so far that you're town." If it was so damn obvious, why did you vote him?

WHEN THE FUCK DID I VOTE FOR JKLM?

Jesus, get your story straight before you go around trying to smear shit in everyone's ears, why don't you?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I'm sick of all of you.
What really bugs me is how so many people can have such terrible reading comprehension.
The posts where I 'waffle' around calling JKLM scum are ones where I

entertain a hypothetical situation that's

contrary

to what I actually believe.

I posited that if AP/Grim/whoever wasn't scum, then JKLM is, but that if JKLM was town, then the opposite felt true to me.

I don't know how I can make this simpler for you.
This is what my input was:
"I believe that X = Scum and Y = Town.
But if X = Town, then Y = Scum."

And you're misrepping that I somehow stated "Y = Scum".

So, in other words,
Fuck you.
I don't care what you have to say,
You're misrepresenting me in an attempt to get an easy lynch off.

[Varsoon]

Let me make it big and obvious, since you suck at reading, or you're really dense scum who thinks they can misrep me:

Fuck you.

[Varsoon]

my definition of being on the wagon would be actually voting .

I do find it suspicious that he both pushed and distanced himself from the wagon at numerous times.

I also think it's incredibly queer that this is the basis for suspicion that you have of me, when you're guilty of exactly the same practice throughout this game.

Where exactly?
Also bear in mind this is a hydra and we occasionally have different reads. For example I suspect ETL is town and Beli is scum, Grim isn't too sure on those reads yet.
~G

Not digging your own ISO for you.
But even here, you've been dancing around the notion of me being scum or not.

[Varsoon]

Also, yes. OMGUS. Your vote is it. Case please.

Post 716 isn't saying that I believe that ALL OF Grim, FlyBeau, Beli, and JKLM are scum, but that there is scum WITHIN THOSE PLAYERS.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT'S MY SCUM LIST, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN READING ME AT ALL THIS GAME, IT'S PRETTY FUCKING CLEAR THAT I DID NOT SUSPECT BELI OR JKLM WERE SCUM.
FUCK, CAN YOU POSSIBLY FUCK UP AND MISREAD/MISREP SOMEONE HARDER?

Your response to my 820 is a blatant misrep as well, because I earlier mentioned that you can't EVER BE 100% SURE OF ANYTHING AS TOWN, and ergo, it holds to LOGIC that I wouldn't be absolutely sure that JKLM is town before his flip.


It's like you can't possibly misrep me harder.
OF COURSE YOU WOULD FUCKING CALL MY VOTE AN OMGUS VOTE TO DISCREDIT IT, YOU MISREPRESENTING SACK OF LIES.

FUCK YOU.

[Varsoon]

Oh, and Vars, don't start with the level shit again. I'll vote you on principle if you pull the same crap you did in Diffusion.

Haha, sorry, sorry.

I should refer to it as a matter of WIFOM/trying to play to a certain representation of self.

[Varsoon]

Wow. Its like a switch. I made my case based on what I saw. This is like alice through the looking glass with you, Varsoon. You are saying there is scum in those 4 but you knew jklm was town all along? I'm sorry but that is exactly what I'm getting out of it. And that doesnt make sense to me.

Yet you vote me because i dont understand your motivation for saying any of that and forthinkng you are scum because of it? How is that NOT omgus?

I did not know JKLM was town all along.
I've been especially adamant on expressing this.
I've SINCERELY THOUGHT that JKLM was VERY LIKELY town since his claim, which was genuine.
In the case that there was no scum between JKLM (Who was not scum, and who I thought was town), Grim (Who I think is scum), Beli (Who I think is town), and FlyBeau (Who I thought was scum, but now think is town), then I posited that scum likely has already won due to how well they've positioned themselves on Day 1.

I'm voting you because you lied about me in post 850, and because your case on me is a misrepresentation of my play so far.

You're literally twisting my words to fit your own ends, and that's scummy.

Also, it

really

pisses me off when people do that, so if you insist on lying and misinterpreting/misrepresenting me despite the several times I've explained what I meant, I will replace out of this game.


@ANTI: I apologize. It really riles me up when players do what's been done. Also, I don't think Pasche is referring to an ongoing game, since the game where I pulled the 'levels crap' was Open 512, which is over.

[Varsoon]

Antihero, I refuse to play this game with people who don't have reading comprehension.
Please replace me out of the game.

[Varsoon]

Here's to hoping my replacement plays your game of being transparent and doesn't use confusing sentence structure and things like juxtapositions and either/or situations.

[Varsoon]

Arguing over what my sentences means is a headache, and I'm pretty stretched thin as my games go.
There's not much incentive to play with a group who insults, undermines, and doesn't comprehend me.

[Varsoon]

Why'd you guys let the obvious scumlords live so long?

This makes the second game that I got really pissed off at a scum-bastard, made a good case, and everyone ignored it.

[Varsoon]

I could've gotten AP and ETL lynched, but I got too frustrated with the game. Oh well.

Sorry for getting all mad and stuff.

[Varsoon]

I'm sorry Varsoon. I needed to push your buttons.

It's k, I got so angry. ><