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VOTE: LucianRoy
Why did you vote for the only unconfirmed player?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Prod dodge. Lost a close friend on Sunday and it's been a struggle for me. Will post later tonight when I have some time to focus, or consider replacing out if I can't.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Hey ho, kinda tired since I stayed out to have coffee with supportive friends and was on the phone for a bit when I got home but I sincerely do want to make an effort in this game because Taylor has always been able to pick my spirits up from bad places.
- same for me gurl. i'm sorry for your loss, and i hope both taytay and your friends have brightened your day. <3
First off, Lucian is town af. So UNVOTE:
His reads are transparent, feel very natural, and I found myself following his train of thought with regards to EP's role. Some thingsshouldn'tbe pried. Specifically, when a claimed PR says something like this...
In post 18, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 16, LucianRoy wrote:What, don't tell me, you're a hated voteless?
not quite, but you have the right idea
...it's clear to me that EP's limited reveal was intentional, rather than a initially confusing description of what was meant to be a full reveal. Subsequently, Lucian's analysis in [#67] makes perfect sense. A player can either doubt EP's claim, and continue to pressure the reveal on the grounds that the claim is scummy. BUT failing that, the correct move is to trust that EP knows how to play their role and control the share of information to our best advantage. Maybe they have additional power and are hiding that fact to live past N1. Maybe thereisn'tanything else special to the role and they are trying to fabricate PR-worth to draw the scum kill.
This thought process makes sense.
Personally, the Hated/Doubled-Voting power is a believable claim balance wise and I'm leaning towards town EP because scum double-voters are ridiculously overpowered. EP's also been active and engaging with the other players, to reinforce my townread on their claim.
I haven't been able to read anyone as scum to a significant degree so far. My best guess would be Antihero. His grasp at Lucian is very weak. He cherry-picks portions of Lucian's posts as unnecessary fluff despite the fact that Lucian has, for the most part, posted very substantially - providing reads and explaining himself well. And Anti's remarks on EP's claim are aclassicexample of casting doubt without actually saying it's bullshit. Feels like he's trying to steer town away from believing EP but leaving room to backpedal if we don't take the bait.
VOTE: Antihero
That's all I got for tonight. Gotta leave some time to post in [REDACTED] before I get to bed.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Can I get a link to the game you're meta-reading him from?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 121, Soren wrote:Meta reading LucianRoy, I'm leaning scum because of how he explains himself more than trying to scum hunt.
VOTE: LucianRoy
Meta reading implies purposeful comparison of a person's behavior across multiple games.
In post 155, Soren wrote:In post 152, LucianRoy wrote:Speaking of interactions, Soren, you said something about looking over my posts earlier. Any fruit on the vine?
After going over some of your posts again, I didn't really put much thought when I voted for you. I was mainly influenced by other people's reasons for voting for you.
You don't exactly scream scum to me right now.
So
Unvote: LucianRoy
Basically stating he lied about the meta reading. Why?
VOTE: SorenLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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So far you've said it was meta (although you've not provided the source links for a meta read), influenced by the other players in the game (suggesting you glossed over Lucian's posts to sheep a wagon you didn't understand), and now based on gut.
Righto boys lynch it with fire.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Goddamnit make up your minds.
Intent to hammer.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Oh lol, hi I'm killerjester - late to every party.
Anti can you get in here real quick before modscene?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Who were the scum on the Anti wagon?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Whatever we can always lynch Soren tomorrow.
VOTE: AntiheroLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Towns are Lucian & EP. And BooKitty gave me a town-vibe but I'd have to go look back for specific references.
Scum are you, Antihero, and probably Aristophanes if I had to pick a third. Dude's got like 2 reads this entire fucking game, both of them have been scumreads, and both of them immediately preceded his two votes. I'm not buying that shit for a minute.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Sure. What's confusing you?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Bookitty what's your read on ika?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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It was a long shot, thought you might have seen something that I didn't.
The hammer thing is a little weird but he's done the same in [REDACTED] so I'll let it slide today.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Um can u not.
The only relevant claim at this point is EP telling us if they're still Hated.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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The scumslip is a good catch, and it means LR is most likely town. Scum don't "kill" their buddies.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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So say it.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I like the people on the DLA wagon more than I like the wagon itself. LR's points aren't particularly strong, and Elyse has a better argument but it doesn't make me want to vote him.
Alternatively, VOTE: Aristophanes
You can ask me why but I probably won't make a case phone-posting. I'll be home in a few hours though.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Okay, in addition to the shit I said yesterday (Aris had literally only two reads, and it felt like both of them were conceded so he'd have justification for his two votes), I looked for what hewasn't doing- namely scumhunting.
In post 134, Aristophanes wrote:Why are a bunch of votes popping up on Lucian? Haven't seen anything scummy from that spot
In post 314, Aristophanes wrote:Hey all! I'm back!
I'll read up and see what I can do.
I see Anti is pretty close to lynch, but also hasn't been here.
Are these things related or did he do something before disappearing that was scummy?
Like what the fuck, right? Read the fucking thread. Suspend for a moment my belief that LR and Bookitty are town, it's not like the people on ANY of these wagons were ambiguous in their reads. Bookitty and Soren both explained their votes on LR were due to his IIoA. LR explained to great detail what he thought of Bookitty's contradictory nature. And don't get me started on the Anti wagon, its supporters were numerous and incredibly vocal.
It'd be fine if he didn't understand how the particulars of these wagons meant the respective users were necessarily scummy. HOWEVER, that's not what he said, not how the tone came off, and certainly not something he was terribly concerned with finding the answers to. It feels like he wanted to give the appearance that he doubted the wagons more than he actually gave a fuck why people were voting them. I don't know if the polar opposite of sheeping has an official term, but this is fucking it guys. He's playing the role of skeptic instead of sheep. Instead of, "I'm going to blindly agree with certain opinions to appear town," we have, "I'm going to blindly doubt certain opinions to appear town."Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 407, Endless Possibilities wrote:pieguy is out, sonic is here,
we are conftown
and our job today is easy
Yo EP you still Hated bro?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I liked you better when you were sheeping me.
But your reads are spot on.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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LR is town, he's not fucking claiming further.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Have you been ignoring my posts or do you just not like themLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Hey man I don't ask where I get my votes from I'm just tryna' lynch Ariscum HAHA YA FEEL ME??
God this must be what it feels like to run for office.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In my experience scum at the end of the road hammer themselves to deny town that extra sliver of information.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 454, Soren wrote:I would like to hear from Aris.
Can you vote him? I feel we'd hear from him sooner if his wagon was bigger.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Ok. Do you wanna try to sell me on the not-voting wagon in the meantime?
It's got a lot of support right now but I don't really understand why people think it's a good idea.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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You realize I was joking in my last post, right?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 466, Soren wrote:A quick skim of Aristophanes' iso tells me that he's either a busy person or has limited access to a pc, possibly both, thus he hasn't posted much. But when he does post, he contributes by offering his thoughts, tries to understand the line of thoughts behind reads and most importantly, he votes.
One problem I see is the lack of his own reads, he's trying to understand other people's reads more than giving his own reads.
"Trying" to understand other people's reads is one of the easiest things to fake a scum.
I feel if Aris was town he'd actually look at the wagons, identify the people on them, read the cases each had provided for the wagons, and ask specific questions about things he didn't agree with or understand fully.
"WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR TAYLOR SWIFT? I DON'T GET IT. CAN SOMEONE POST A CASE FOR ME PLEASE," isn't trying to understand the wagons. It's a lazy attempt to appear sooooo relatable and sooooo town because townies have doubts and are skeptical about things.
AND HE'S DONE IT THREE TIMES!Last edited by Marquis on Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:36 am, edited 1 time in total.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Ok can you sheep someone useful (read: vote Aristophanes)Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I won't give you any flak for the time beingLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 404, killerjester wrote:I like the people on the DLA wagon more than I like the wagon itself. LR's points aren't particularly strong, and Elyse has a better argument but it doesn't make me want to vote him.
Idk you got anything new for me? I haven't really looked at the wagon since page 17.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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The way he refers to himself as the easy lynch suggests he at least understands why someone might look at his associative tells with Anti scummy, or rather that there might be credible support behind the idea. Given that it bothers me that he's trying to call Elyse scum for being the first to point it out. He's basically saying, "Yea I totally get this makes me look bad, but scum would recognize that and use me as lynchbait!" The issue becomes her argumentiscredible, the associative tellsdomake him look bad, and scum would not be theonlyones to recognize that. The reason she didn't bring up the associative tells pre-flip is because associative tells aren't very relevant pre-flip.
So yea. The more he calls Elyse opportunistic scum the more I want to lynch him. Probably not today though. I was hoping to get Aristophanes in here by laying it on pretty fucking thick, but he's pulled a disappearing act.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'm not voting Aris because I feel lucky. I'm voting Aris because I think he's scum.Last edited by Marquis on Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:36 am, edited 1 time in total.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Fucking goddammit. How am I going to be a published author on the wiki when I invent a new scumtell AND THEN HE FLAKES UNDER THE PRESSURE!
I'm demanding a refund.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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BRACING FOR EPICLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I can only assume you completely ignored my case because I'm right.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I also assume ika is town because Aris is trying to lynch him.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 609, Aristophanes wrote:In post 604, killerjester wrote:I can only assume you completely ignored my case because I'm right.
What, that I was busy and didn't get why there were wagons on people I had strong townreads on?
That I then asked for explanations?
What, in my presence here, has led you to think I am lurking and not just a busy guy?
If I had had time to read all the cases, dissect the wagons, and respond, I would have. This was not the case.
If being busy is scummy, then lynch me now as I'm going to be busy most of this game apparently.
You asked for explanations from people who had. You might be a busy guy, but do you see the impression you make when you ask a question like that? The first that you haven't made an attempt to understand the wagons, otherwise you wouldn't be so fucking clueless. The second that you intend to devote time and attention to their replies once you receive them, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question.already given explanations
It's a contradiction, you see? You're so fucking busy when it comes to the original reasons the wagons started, but you plan to read what people tell you once you're not preoccupied, but if there's going to be time when you're not busy why wouldn't you use that time to look at the original wagons? Because you're too busy.
Yea not buying that shit for a minute.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Also my case isn't that you're lurking. It's that you're lazy and faking interest in things that don't concern you. And they don't concern you because you already know everyone's alignment.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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;_;Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I have more unreleased songs if anyone's interested. They're not all studio quality like that one, but a few are.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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This is what happens when you shit up the game with PR claims. Just vote Aris imo.
Will not be voting ika today for anything short of a scumclaim.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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What happened to my wagon? I'm done fuck this planet.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Need some time to process my thoughts. Initial reaction is Aris is definitely scum.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Self Watcher and Reflexive Tracker are similar, but different in practice.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'd like to hear ika's thoughts on the claim. And any information he has that might suggest DLA is lying. Severely doubt ika is actually scum though so idgaf about him fullclaiming.
Starting to think DLA might be scum. Can't think of a reasonable explanation for why DLA would rush to his defense prior to ika claiming unless he already knew ika was town. Reads to me as scum getting frustrated he can't "prove" to everyone that ika is town.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 860, DarkLightA wrote:In post 857, Not_Mafia wrote:Please stop alternating between posting something towny and something scummy thnx
Actually I'm scum.
Jesus Christ that was easy
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Town don't claim scum. Even in sarcasm. But scum do claim scum when they're feeling cheeky. That's what I'm guessing you were going for.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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NM is your partner DLA or Aris?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I don't have time for this shit. I'll see you guys after the Game of Thrones premiereLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Unless I'm wrong, the issue was DLA white-knighting ika's wagon and then getting frustrated when ika wouldn't full-claim.
Which I agree is completely scummy.
But I'm still willing to lynch Aris if y'all would rather that happen today. At least then we could hope for scum to solve the ika/DLA problem for us.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Ok so if it's between those two why are you still on BookittyLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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VOTE: Aristophanes
gj boysLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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No. If you read ika's role HE dies if he attempts to heal scum. The fact that he targeted you without dying means you are not scum.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Weak means targeting scum will kill you.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'm feeling lazy. Can someone get a read on Espeonage for me?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 999, Soren wrote:Also there should be one scum left right?
Balance-wise, Traitor is usually considered 1/2 a scum since the rest of the team doesn't know who they are. If I had to guess, given numerous PR claims so far, we're dealing with 2 scum left. But really we should just lynch Aris and then worry about the last scum if there is one.
In post 1004, Soren wrote:In post 929, Aristophanes wrote:I've read up and am currently torn on the lynch options.
How sure are we that Ika is scum? This recent bit makes me really wary.
Ika, voting would be helpful to know where you're at. Are you against all the lynch options at this point? If so, who would be the best vote?
Is informed scum common on this site?
UNVOTE:
This post doesn't look good at all. He's asking for people to do the thinking for him.
No shit. He's been asking people to do his thinking since Day 1. That's the bulk of my case against him.
In post 1012, Soren wrote:In post 965, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Aristophanes
This is our best chance to actually hit scum, but ika needs to go pre-lylo
Before this Aris vote you had a vote on ika and ika was at L-2. Then you change your vote to Aris because he's the best chance at hitting scum? And then two votes goes on ika putting him at L-1 and then you decide to hammer? Which clearly goes against your reason for voting Aris, the reason being that you thought that the Aris lynch was the best chance at hitting scum.
It looks like you wanted to hammer ika to gain town cred.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
Not a strong argument. Scum weren't told that ika was the traitor, they just knewsomeonewas the traitor.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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You. I like you.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Who else wants to talk about Aris? Make your voice heard!
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