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VOTE: Thor
I'm going to a band thing for one of the kids, then I'll be at work until 6am tonight if anybody wants to jam.-
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In post 137, Concrete Angels wrote:Steven no.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Do not let yourself indulge in vain wishes. Until you try, you do not know what you cannot do. If you are not afraid to face the music, you may someday lead the band. All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing. How was Einstein able to conceive the Theory of Relativity? He said the one crucial thing that helped him was his ability to visualise: what would it be like to be riding on the end of a light beam? Do not tell me this a difficult problem. If it were not difficult it would not be a problem. I do not seek. I find. Do not play for safety; it is the most dangerous thing in the world.
Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision, for the limits of the world. In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, they had better aim at something high. If you have a lemon, make lemonade. Why not go out on a limb? That is where the fruit is Nothing determines who we will become so much as those things we choose to ignore.
And so, yes
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My hydra partner blows at bookmarking things. Everyone point at him and call him names.
Also, Thor has not done anything alignment indicative yet, so I'm more than happy to let sthar8 ply the vote there for now.
Sakura is definitely worth the suspicion, which makes me like cat. The shift onto ved does not.
ETL has shown the minor towntells I'd expect from town her this early, but not enough to make that read solid.
Davsto can be put to fire. I'd pay to see that.-
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I'm gonna take a moment to cry in public because ETL doesn't love me anymore.
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Fascinating, because I got the opposite impression. Care to share your reasoning?
Note to self, CA and Far side are not scum together.-
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In post 178, farside22 wrote:Lying cat was probably jingle.
Anything that hasn't been flowery exposition or voting Thor is probably Jingle, but I can never tell for sure.-
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V/LA for a few days.
I may need replacement but I'm going to try to figure things out. I'll let you guys know by Wednesday night.-
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Okay, here's the rub. I'm soloing this game for the foreseeable future. sthar8 may come back, he may not, but I intend to rock the shit out of this game for him.
Rock the shit out of it.
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It occurs to me that Cataphant never responded to my questions before my absence. I'd like to rectify that. Cataphant, why do you believe farside to be town?
Thor, I'm not getting off my vanity wagon on you. It's too nice and shiny. And I'm too hip to follow all the other kids around. If all of your friends were lynching people, would you just follow along blindly?-
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In post 375, Concrete Angels wrote:In post 370, Lying Cat wrote:Okay, here's the rub. I'm soloing this game for the foreseeable future. sthar8 may come back, he may not, but I intend to rock the shit out of this game for him.
Rock the shit out of it.
Now who should I be voting?
If you're scum I'll rock the shit out of you. This time with ETL boost. Be warned.
If you're town, date me ^^
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I'm sorry, you're not pretty enough for me. maybe if you looked like ETL.
In post 377, Thor665 wrote:In post 371, Lying Cat wrote:Thor, I'm not getting off my vanity wagon on you. It's too nice and shiny. And I'm too hip to follow all the other kids around. If all of your friends were lynching people, would you just follow along blindly?
If I was voting a wagon that was going nowhere and wasn't pushing it - I'd hope so.
Then again, I try to play pro-town, so there may be a difference in playstyle there.
Ignoring the fact that I've got a nice shiny wagon for one here and I'm looking forward to keeping the seat warm, who do you want me to vote?
I could see the sakura wagon, but I'm not convinced yet. Your vedith push was meh. I'm already scumhunting elsewhere. And besides, there's more than one way to skin a horse.-
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In post 389, Cataphant wrote:Hi, we totally did. Both heads. It's a meta and a gut thing, having played town and scum with her before. She's more aggressive as scum and the frustration over a spelling/comprehension issue looks genuinely towny.
Hrmm. Mayhaps you don't understand "talk to me about" but this is actually what I was looking for. I don't accept meta as a read on blind faith. I'd argue that your bit about arguing semantics is stupid. Scum are just as likely to be upset when they're misunderstood as town are. The aggressive bit is actually something we can work with though, so good job on that!
Farside, would you agree with Cat's meta there? Anyone else who knows Farside well?
In post 203, Concrete Angels wrote:In post 174, Lying Cat wrote:
Note to self, CA and Far side are not scum together.
Don't be dumb. I did the same thing to Guyett when we were partners together (with Flubber/ward).
LC looks town.
Did you now. What do you think I saw?
And sorry, but syncing is gonna take some time. I have some pressing RL bits at the moment and I'm gonna be sporadically available.
Oh, and Bulgey, talk to me. Whisper sweet cases into my ear. I'd love to know what graces your mind bubbles.-
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Thor665 wrote:
In post 399, Lying Cat wrote: And besides, there's more than one way to skin a horse.
Yes, the right way and the wrong way.
You and I both know your vote on me is a piddle pile of useless and you're not even backing it up - I'm asking you to defend that chosen course, don't hand me pablum in exchange.
Useless? That hurts my feeling. I feel it's serving a purpose quite adequately. It strikes me as quite odd that you disagree with my stated plan of action yet seem unwilling to try to sway me to another course.
You could, perhaps, explain why your wagon is better than mine instead of trying to convince me to abandon my ship without another boat in sight. But really, voting you is like a hobby at this point. Its relaxing.
@ca- nah, not the point of what I saw at all. The reason you aren't scum with far is the same reason she might be scum. As far as reads, you're slightly town, but you need to be more town. Far and cat are both possible scum for different, possibly mutually exclusive (although I'll think more on that) reasons.
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In post 422, Thor665 wrote:I am amazed that this confuses you and strikes you as odd or weak from me - you have never seen this or done this before? I would call bullhooey on that claim, so where are you coming from?
I didn't say that. Anywhere. I just ignored your reasonable request and asked you to make a case. I don't really want to start a wagon right now, partly because I have no inclination to push it as vehemently as it deserves and partly because poking you like this is both enjoyable and asinine, which makes me giggle.
In post 433, Thor665 wrote:In post 432, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Frankly I'm willing to start survivalism voting but there isn't a solid counterwagon and somehow people think thats okay?
Besides Lying Cat who has expressed that idea?
I didn't say it was okay, I said I didn't want to do anything about it.
Okay, since nothing seems to be happening and I have the time, let me explain just a little bit.
Farside and CA are probably not scum together because of the same thing that made me think Far was scum.
Spoiler: Farside Quotes, because this post is already big enough and getting bigger.
Farside's reentry to the thread came with 2/3 of the post being agreement with ETL. Not just agreement, but "That's how I was feeling". And then she says "ETAngels is null", which doesn't sound like a reasonably or logical conclusion from her previous post. Literally 7 minutes before.
And then Cataphant tells me that farside is town. I'd REALLY like someone to tell me if the phant's meta read has groundwork or if it's just blatant rabbit out of ass style bullshit, but no one apparently cares to. Given that, I've put that whole can of worms on the backburner.
Next on the list is ETAngels, because if I can sort them I can figure out that interaction at least a little bit. ETL gave some minor townpoints at the very beginning, notably, acting lost and slowly catching her footing. Now, normally, I'd say ETL is like confscum because she hasn't even attempted to sort me and I'm kind of a scary bear, especially to someone who's seen me as scum when I'm on my game, but I've been having some major shit go down in RL and she knows a little bit about it. To that end, the fact that she's been giving me room and trying to get me to engage (See, An attempt to get me to engage via a nonagressive hands off request she knows I'll eventually respond to.) as well as likely telling MS to lay off me sometime in between 375 and then suggests either that she's a good friend trying to get me to deal with things at my own pace and stay in the game or that she's trying to get my head in the game and out of my own neuroses. Or both. For the moment, I'm taking that as a townread and a good friendship, and we'll evaluate as necessary. (btw, <3 ETL.)
Of course, that brings us to Sakura, which is probably where I would've put the vote if I'd been super active from the start, but here's the rub there: She's in survival mode. She's not gonna do anything alignment indicative right now because she's on the defensive with a big sign reading everyone's out to get me. My response to that is to leave her alone for a little bit and check back when she pops her head out of the turtle shell and I can harass her until I figure her alignment out.
Which leaves us to the other course: Thor. Thor hasn't actually done anything alignment indicative yet. His frustration with me is genuine, but would be regardless. And I'm beating him over the head with inane and stupid bullshit to get him to the point where he lashes out. But he's not responding to me as quickly as I'd like and I'm apparently gonna need to fall back on reading him by the value of his cases, which brings me back to something I asked a while ago.
Thor, who do you think I should be voting, and why?-
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In post 485, Thor665 wrote:Far side is still ducking me.
LC's laser post was an ode to crappy play while trying to sound clever about it - and no one seems to have even bothered to read it.
Okay. Now please tell me why I should vote with you. Make a damn case, man. I shouldn't need to push YOU of all people this hard.
In post 483, farside22 wrote:@lying cat: I have agreed with people before and still feel null about them. 1 or 2 good post mean nothing to me.
Sure you can. It still raised an eyebrow, and was still worth noting. Would you mind telling me why you thought Thor and Dav were town?
In post 500, Cataphant wrote:In post 499, Hippy Love wrote:I'm worried that Davvy is just a scummy seeming dude. We're retracting our read on him a bit because while he is jumping all overt the place, we think might just be a bit lost!
@Lying cat,"And then Cataphant tells me that farside is town. I'd REALLY like someone to tell me if the phant's meta read has groundwork or if it's just blatant rabbit out of ass style bullshit, but no one apparently cares to. Given that, I've put that whole can of worms on the backburner.
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I've played with farside like 219084980243098423890342809423432894083489030 times and read her correctly most of them. Its not out of a hat. Your push on us is scummy as shit
We think there's a chance vedith is scum, but our eyes have gone elsewhere; We're both committed to the idea of Ankamius scum. He has just been sitting on the sidelines, and then when someone calls him out he attempts to buddy with them. Even if vedith is town (which is irrelevant) ank's response is just awkward. It's a good case, but it seems weird that he just like lays there and takes it. We hate to agree with thor, but this guy is totally scum
VOTE: ankamius
I FUCKED UP. THIS WAS US
Okay, and I still really don't care about your defense here, because that's absolutely not what I was asking for there. I want literally anyone other than you to respond and corroborate or deny your assertions. You actually cannot do that.
@farside: Is Cataphants assertion that they can meta read you true or false?
I'll try to get some ISOs done today and tomorrow, but who knows if I'll get to it.-
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In post 541, Thor665 wrote:@Lying Cat - good plan, double down on the useless and try to pass it off as strategy.
@Pistach - how has a edits wagon been a thing in the last 72 hours? I don't think it has been a thing since about 24 after it first appeared, and why is this reaction about it only showing up now?
I am fascinated that people thing the least openly explained vote on Ank - and one that existed prior to a wagon rush - is the scum midst somehow. I look forward to this case being explored deeper. You all, clearly, have me dead to rights.
And if you think I'm being useless AND are interested in pushing the game forward, why not try to convince me of something? Anything really. Your fascinating refusal to push me towards usefulness seems kind of anti-thor.
I'm getting to the ISO's now. I'll let you know if I find anything interesting.-
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You know what?
VOTE: Thor
He's playing spectacularly under par. He has yet to do anything town indicative of him, but his response to me has been clearly scum motivated. What better way to respond to someone who is actively pushing at you and trying to figure you out than continuing to call them stupid and ignoring their questions.
Added to that, his pushes this game don't seem to have the same purpose behind them as they normally do from Thor. We have the Vedith push which was a glorified lurker push lasting long after he became one of the more prevalent players in the thread. When challenged on his votepark by Ank, he OMGUS's as opposed to, you know, defending his wagon or pushing it.
In post 377, Thor665 wrote:If I was voting a wagon that was going nowhere and wasn't pushing it - I'd hope so.
Then again, I try to play pro-town, so there may be a difference in playstyle there.
For reference, hypocrisy in scumhunting. I'm really not a big fan.
In fact, ETL's analysis of the wagon is perhaps too forgiving. Current operating theory- wagon is scumdriven because the Sakura wagon died out.
ETL, Ank, come join me.
In post 540, massive wrote:Ankamius: Considering how your wagon formed versus how Hecatia's formed, do you still consider them town?
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In post 563, Concrete Angels wrote:@LC - wth... were you high? I know you know you were already voting Thor, and I know you saw that I am voting Thor now as well, because you responded to posts before and after my vote.
I uh... I didn't include you in my ISO's and forgot that you'd voted him. But good job on doing what I asked you to do before I asked you to do it!
In post 559, Thor665 wrote:Lying Cat - so, to sum up, I am scummy for dismissing what you're doing while pushing me. This is shown by me not being amused by your attempted dismissal of my raised issue with how you are voting and not offering to push you to vote where I want even though I never indicated that was my goal.
Whut?
Nah. Although I could see where a four year old could get that out of my post. You on the other hand have shown much higher reading comprehension in the past. Your frustration with my voteparking you is fully null. The fact you haven't done anything to change it is not.
Your pushes being lackluster and for shitty reasons is about as alignment indicative as it gets from you. But what really takes the cake is the hypocrisy. You were yelling at me for voting you and asking other people questions while not actually doing anything about my vote while YOU were voting Ved and asking other people questions while not actually doing anything about your vote.
Spoiler: Thor's mention of Vedith between voting and unvoting him
But while he's doing virtually nothing with regards to Vedith, who he's voting, he calls me out for voting him while engaging other people. He insinuates that it's bad play, but he's doing the same thing. He's talking to CA and Farside over the top of Vedith, but he never moves the vote. He flat out refused the multiple requests on my part to try to convince me to vote with him while criticizing me for not trying to convince other people to vote with me.
And there's the Ank vote, which sucks large smurf, if you'll pardon the language.
In post 574, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 573, Wingback wrote:@ ETL, can you answer my question to you in my wall?
Nope. It was an alt game, so I'd rather not, but you can just as easily look at the player's completed games under his topic list.
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In post 457, Lying Cat wrote:Next on the list is ETAngels, because if I can sort them I can figure out that interaction at least a little bit. ETL gave some minor townpoints at the very beginning, notably, acting lost and slowly catching her footing. Now, normally, I'd say ETL is like confscum because she hasn't even attempted to sort me and I'm kind of a scary bear, especially to someone who's seen me as scum when I'm on my game, but I've been having some major shit go down in RL and she knows a little bit about it. To that end, the fact that she's been giving me room and trying to get me to engage (See, An attempt to get me to engage via a nonagressive hands off request she knows I'll eventually respond to.) as well as likely telling MS to lay off me sometime in between 375 and then suggests either that she's a good friend trying to get me to deal with things at my own pace and stay in the game or that she's trying to get my head in the game and out of my own neuroses. Or both. For the moment, I'm taking that as a townread and a good friendship, and we'll evaluate as necessary. (btw, <3 ETL.)
Nah. I've already gone into it a little bit, but you know a bit of what's going on with me in RL and thus there's gonna be a whole hell of a lot of interference between us to stop me from reading you. Your alignment will be obvious enough soon enough.-
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In post 589, Thor665 wrote:In post 575, Lying Cat wrote:Your pushes being lackluster and for Smurfy reasons is about as alignment indicative as it gets from you. But what really takes the cake is the hypocrisy. You were yelling at me for voting you and asking other people questions while not actually doing anything about my vote while YOU were voting Ved and asking other people questions while not actually doing anything about your vote.
There is zero hypocrisy from me - I made it very explicitly clear that my issue was single vote wagons - which I was never part of.
So you are either lying and intentionally misleading, or are too dense to understand the difference between a single and multiple vote wagon and why I would have an issue with one moreso than another.
Which is it?
Hmmm. Your issue with single vote wagons is that they are useless and unlikely to go anywhere, correct? And I'm saying your vote was useless and unlikely to go anywhere. I don't see a purpose in saying "Yeah, other people were voting on the wagon with me" when my issue is hypocrisy in intentions, not hypocrisy in words. Unless you'd like to argue that your vote was useful and likely to actually lead to something?-
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In post 632, Thor665 wrote:Only because he asked me to support my vote. When people ask me stuff I provide.
News to me. Let me go find all of the places I asked you to convince me to vote someone. Or any of the games where people asked you to read the thread after you replaced in. Hell, AFAIK, let me go find any of your games at all.
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In post 656, Thor665 wrote:In post 652, Lying Cat wrote:Hmmm. Your issue with single vote wagons is that they are useless and unlikely to go anywhere, correct?
That is correct - but your issue holds the belief that a 2 vote (second largest wagon at the time) wagon is the same as a one vote silent for many pages wagon (since RVS, basically) are equal in my mind for it to be hypocrisy.
They are not equal in my mind, and nothing I said indicated as such.
What I'm asking you to defend is the hypocrisy issue.
If your simple issue is "Thor, I also find your vote useless" I suppose we can debate that (I will note, since then, I angled my vote somewhere quite different in line with my apparent mental concept of optimal voting as expressed, while you are still diddling about and, as far as I can tell, derp lying to my face)
I am flat out saying that your wagon was useless and not likely going anywhere. I am flat out saying that you were doing the same questioning from the sidelines while not actually changing your vote that I was doing. I am stating that your stated issue with my behavior is bullsmurf, and that "yeah, but there was someone else voting with me" is disingenuous. If you'd like to argue that yours is a prettier shade of grey than mine, then have at it, but I dislike being forced to define terms.
In post 652, Lying Cat wrote:I don't see a purpose in saying "Yeah, other people were voting on the wagon with me" when my issue is hypocrisy in intentions, not hypocrisy in words. Unless you'd like to argue that your vote was useful and likely to actually lead to something?
My vote was more useful than yours.
At the time it had been placed had more use than yours.
And has since been moved to a wagon with more use than yours.
Yes - I would argue that.
What I'm asking you to defend is the claim of hypocrisy - you seem to be shifting to "similar to hypocrisy in a general theme, but not quite hypocrisy" am I correct in that?
Insomuch as your raised issue is now being reworked to "Your vote was useless, so whether or not mine was useless for different reasons you're not allowed to call it out" <-- is that about right?
I disagree with that premise, but is that your raised issue?
No it wasn't. Your vote was on a dying wagon. A bad dying wagon. And no. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. You were criticizing me for a behavior that you yourself were engaged in, calling it useless and scummy. More to the point, both of us had roughly the same presence in thread without our votes, and yet what I was doing still ranks as useless.
On the other note, let's talk about where your vote is now. Do you disagree with my perceived reason for you Ank vote? If so, what was your reason for your Ank vote?
In post 653, Lying Cat wrote:In post 632, Thor665 wrote:Only because he asked me to support my vote. When people ask me stuff I provide.
News to me. Let me go find all of the places I asked you to convince me to vote someone. Or any of the games where people asked you to read the thread after you replaced in. Hell, AFAIK, let me go find any of your games at all.
Wow.
Are you having an argument with me about things that are not about alignment but about a personal issue with how I play?
Let's run these down.
1. Asking me to talk you into who to vote when I want to understand who and why you want to vote someone is "slightly" different than being asked "why are you voting someone" especially when I'd already explained why I was voting Vedith quite clearly - unless you weren't reading gak. I don't even get the issue here - you claimed to be aware of my presented case, so why were you asking for it to be repeated?
2. Demanding that I read the game and being told why I won't is a request and a provided answer - whether or not it is the answer you want is another matter. Being asked to advance your case or move to what you consider a better case and being told "why don't you tell me who to vote" is a reply - but it is a dodge and abdication of responsibility - therefore it is not valid to what is, in effect, push a top functional scumread of yours instead of sitting silent on a dead wahgon.
3. Feel free to search my games to find me refusing to state my top scumread, reasons for voting them, a desire to advance the L-1 lynch condition of Day 1, and an annoyance at people sitting on no votes or 1 vote wagons while doing nothing. I am suuuuure you'll find a lot of evidence to back your hypocrisy claim.[/sarcasm and attitude of ownership towards weak attack]
Whassup?
No, I actually don't take issue with any of those things. I do them myself in fact. I'm taking offense at you talking out of your ass to deflect questions. Which, actually, I do myself, too. Only I do that last bit mostly as scum.
1. Is it your assertion that your presented case on Vedith was the reason you were voting him until your vote changed, and that you had no additional case or reasons? Because I think your case on Vedith was gak.
2. I made no secret of the fact that I didn't particularly have someone I wanted to vote at the time. That'd be part of the reason for asking people who they think is scummy and why, to weigh those responses and decide who is or is not vote worthy. If you can't understand that, you may be playing the wrong game.
3. Nah, I know enough about your modus operandi to not need to search your games. I do have a question for you. What about the Vedith wagon was: stating your top scumread, reasons for voting them, or meaningfully working to advance the L-1 lynch condition of Day 1? Cause that'd be my problem here. I don't believe Vedith was your top scumread at the time. I can't believe town you held the vote there for so long on such shaky ground when you obviously had other suspisions, and you were sitting on a wagon that was obviously going no where.-
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Spoiler: Walls for the Wall God (A back and forth with Thor)
I suppose the meat and potatoes of this post is:
Thor, how has your read of farside changed throughout the thread? Specifically, what was it at post 418 and what is it now?-
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In post 660, Thor665 wrote:@Lying Cat
What are you even complaining about?
What I'm getting from that back and forth is "I knwo Thor plays bad, but I don't think he plays *this* bad, and I needed him to explain something he'd already explained because I think he was lying about his reason as town/scum because it was a weaker reason then I'd expect from him as town/scum"
Like - I really don't even understand where you're going.
You seem to just be needling me awkwardly while not actually showing why anything you're bringing up is different from a playstyle issue.
Am I wrong?
Yes, you are. I don't think Thor plays bad. I think Thor plays a hard and fast aggressive game that leaves little for him to be read on. I also think that Thor is misrepresenting his reads, which makes the most sense from scum-Thor either attempting to forge or hide connections between him and other players.-
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I'm splitting this into two posts, because there's really two different concerns here. First your initial behavior and defense thereof. But you weren't putting pressure on Ved at that point. The wagon had already derailed, and you hadn't mentioned him in pages. On the other hand, you were pushing hard at both ETL and farside, but voting neither of them. I'll admit that getting a wagon on ETL would have been difficult, but there was more than enough tacit support for a farside wagon at the time. Your actions support a farside scumread over a Vedith one, but your vote doesn't.
For reference, what is your thought process on why someone posting elsewhere but not here makes them scum?
Also, are you admitting to overstating your read on Vedith and were voting for pressure? Or at least to misrepresenting your reads?-
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In post 671, Thor665 wrote:Vedith makes a case on Ank.
Ank holds it up as an example of how town Vedith is.
To have this belief, theoretically, Ank would need to look at the scumhunting and see logic and town intent.
But, at the same point, being town, Ank should be well aware that Vedith is wrong or using poor logic.
Sure, maybe he thinks Vedith is town for days - but he shouldn't think that a case suggesting he is scum equates to good work for people to see good work and town intent.
It doesn't follow.
Is the supposition here that it is impossible to follow a logical progression and be wrong? Or that you cannot see town intent in something that is wrong? In that vein, I notice you have not yet called me scum. What is your read on me?-
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In post 675, Wingback wrote:@ Lying Cat/Thor, is this back and forth helpful? Because I just got to the point where I've started to glaze over your argument. I suggest stepping back and letting others catch up and not cause them to get apathetic by the overposting. I especially want Pistachion, Davsto, Massive, and Cataphant to post a whole lot more.
In short, yes. It is important. I'd be okay with tabling it for now after Thor's response though.
And I'm well aware of the danger of overposting. It's why I've been spoilering things whenever possible.-
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I didn't forget about you and I'm caught up. I'm just not gonna make a meaningful post tonight. See you tomorrow afternoon.-
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Spoiler: Nacho Responses
Spoiler: Wingback
Someone asked how I felt about the farside catchup posts. I don't. Catchup posts are incredibly easy to fake, so I'm waiting until she posts something original before looking back to figure anything out.
And I've also been asked to elaborate on reads-
Concrete Angels- mild town, not a pressing concern do to personal reasons.
pistachi0n- null. I need to sit down and address that, though.
massive- Null. Also, likely to get ignored by me for a long time.
Cataphant- Scum. mostly gut, tbh, with the exception of things I've already addressed.
Hecatia Lapislazuli- mild town by situation. Town by claim.
farside22- mild scum, but unaddressable until she gets her head in the game.
Davsto- Town by claim.
Wingback- mild scum. Sitting back and taking a manipulative stance. [p]453[/p] pings hard. Not making waves. Still useful enough that I don't want to lynch D1.
Nachomamma8- Town. Minor paranoia, because I default to town with him, but not worth readdressing yet.
Ankamius- mild town.
Thor665- Minor scum.
Vedith- town by situation.-
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Hey, busy until late tonight, but I'm gonna claim to have a confirmable role.
Given that two of the scumroles are known, that means the odds are I'm gonna be conftown sooner rather than later.
At the moment, it is neither prudent nor necessary to tell anyone what my role actually is, but ETL will be able to confirm I targeted her during the next day phase.-
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In post 1033, Wingback wrote:That doesn't alleviate my scum read given two other roles have already outed. I want the claim.
I also suspect you are using the word "conftown" rather liberally.
I, uh... Let's see here. There are two known quantities here. Scum have a ninja and a backup ninja. Whenever the third member of their team flips, I will be confirmed town by virtue of the fact that my role is confirmable. Also worth noting, the only purpose my claim would have is to help scum determine whether I'm a higher priority kill than either of the other claimed PRs.
In post 1034, Cataphant wrote:VOTE: lying cat
"I'm going to claim a confirmable role...later"
= scumclaim
(still behind, though)
Yes. And I'm completely lying, despite the fact that if I were lying about my role, I'd be powerlynched immediately tomorrow. My role is so hyper important to the scumteam that delaying my lynch one day is of paramount importance.
Okay, I'm gonna read up now.-
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In post 986, Wingback wrote:In post 985, Lying Cat wrote:
Already been answered.In post 916, Wingback wrote:What would this reason be and why does it mean that Concrete can't be scum with Farside?
Where? Quote it.
Farside's original catchup being mostly ETL then calling out ETL as her only null read, despite there being others in her catchup and inexplicable townreads does not come from a scumbuddy.
In post 985, Lying Cat wrote:That would be a playstyle thing. Entering into any game, I have a list. That list is based off of one of two things based on my alignment: My ability to read the player/expectations of their usefulness OR the player's ability to read me/ability to lynch them later. ETL and Thor are basically the top of both lists for this playerlist, thus a first priority to figure out. Farside is slightly lower. Hecatia's presence in my "I actually give a shit about these players" pile comes from her early presence as a wagon. Cataphant popped up via interactions I noted as fishy above.
I don't think I understand what the lists are. List 1 is your ability to read the player/usefulness? That's not the same thing so how is that on the same list? List 2 is player's ability to read you/your ability to lynch them? They're not the same thing either. Clarify these things.
A list can be ordered by two different criteria. It's not a black and white valuation. The people who are both useful and readable are on top of list one. The people who are mildly useful and completely readable feature about as high as the people who are completely useful and mildy readable. The people who are neither are at the bottom. Rocket Science 101, that.
In post 985, Lying Cat wrote:See above: Thor is high priority. If possible, I want a townread or hard scumread on him today. His normal play is largely alignment neutral, so the attempt to get him to play a more proactive and emotional game is an attempt to shake him up and make him more readable. Not out of some prior success, but an attempt to try something new.
If his play looks alignment-neutral to you, why wouldn't you prioritize reading players whose playdoesn'tlook alignment-neutral from you POV? Normally when someone has a lot of null posts, I try to read others who don't, first.
No? I excel in breaking setups. In manipulation. In chaining actions. It is therefore far more productive to determine if the people who can help/hinder that in me are town than to sort the unknown qualities of others.
In post 985, Lying Cat wrote:
Hecatia Lapislazuli- mild town by situation. Town by claim.
Davsto- Town by claim.
Vedith- town by situation.
Nachomamma8- Town. Minor paranoia, because I default to town with him, but not worth readdressing yet.
Concrete Angels- mild town, not a pressing concern do to personal reasons.
Ankamius- mild town.
pistachi0n- null. I need to sit down and address that, though.
massive- Null. Also, likely to get ignored by me for a long time.
farside22- mild scum, but unaddressable until she gets her head in the game.
Wingback- mild scum. Sitting back and taking a manipulative stance. [p]453[/p] pings hard. Not making waves. Still useful enough that I don't want to lynch D1.
Thor665- Minor scum.
Cataphant- Scum. mostly gut, tbh, with the exception of things I've already addressed.
(Re-arranged so I can keep them in perspective)
Why are all your behavioral townreads besides Vedith "mild?" And all of your scumreads besides Cataphant are "mild" or "minor." Why no strong reads at all? Is this normal for you?
What of Vedith's "situation" do you read as town?
Why are you "defaulting" to town on Nacho?
Yeah, the reads are less solid than normal, but I'm not really surprised. Normally, not having a hard townread on ETL would be concerning, for example.
Vedith was the subject of a large wagon that took forever to fall apart with no strong contenders for a counterwagon on the back of a case that was weak as fuck. That tends to be town in my experience.
I'm not defaulting to town on Nacho. I'm reading Nacho as town. There is a note there to myself, mostly, telling me that I always read Nacho as town and need to be careful not to give him a pass for no reason. And I'm not interested in discussing the why there.-
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In post 1039, Vedith wrote:Okay - Intent to hammer. Give a role and then we can move onto Ank or pistachi0n if it's justifiable.
The extent of my claim is that someone will know it during the night phase. Claiming more doesn't mean anything. I'm claiming that at some point in the game I will be confirmed town. I've asked that you force scum to kill me, but I won't claim further.
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