Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Jeanne11]

@Titus



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Fixed.
In order to do youtube tags, you just paste everything that comes after the = on the youtube link.

[Jeanne11]

Votes can change doe.

VOTE: Elbirn

[Jeanne11]

@Elbirn Is that sarcasm?

[Jeanne11]

So far I don't like Jeanne11

Why? Because I invited Titus?

[Jeanne11]

Actually, it is not. I just use them less frequently.

[Jeanne11]

Well, I could link you, but I cannot really remember where. I've done it on multiple sites.

[Jeanne11]

Well, we could be or could not be, but I guess we're kind of united in destroying scum.

[Jeanne11]

Make of that what you will.

[Jeanne11]

Whatcha talking about?

[Jeanne11]

The fact that I posted a youtube video.

[Jeanne11]

VOTE: LicketyQucikety

He is giving me bad vibes.

[Jeanne11]

Well, for now I think you're town. That might change, though.

[Jeanne11]

And there's such a thing as being too paranoid.

[Jeanne11]

I realized that being angry gets one nowhere, so I am trying to stay as level-headed as possible.

[Jeanne11]

@Elbirn Ur a lolcow.

[Jeanne11]

o.O

[Jeanne11]

.....peanut butter? o.O

[Jeanne11]

Well, it's your own fault for posting confusing stuff.

[Jeanne11]

Oi, oi. Why are you glaring at people?

[Jeanne11]

I am definitely smarter than you. I have an IQ of 105.

[Jeanne11]

And I am baaackkkk.

[Jeanne11]

You really try to push my buttons don't you?

*shrugs* Well, afaik, you and Elbirn could be scum together.

[Jeanne11]

Hey, everyone, Titus said it herself, she gets angrier the more certain the probability of lynch is. Let's see if she's gonna start yelling if we lynch her scumbuddy Elbirn.

[Jeanne11]

Because I think you're scum and he is a wee bit too close to you in here. You told him to keep an eye on me and he immediately agreed. Looks to me like two scum gunning to take down a townie that is still inexperienced.

[Jeanne11]

No, I am not crazyuuuu......I am just sbyybjvat gur cyna naq lbh unccra gb or n ylapuonvg, juvpu lbh jbhyq xabj vs lbh erprvirq n pregnva zrffntr.

Yaaaaaa. >.>

[Jeanne11]

abkhinekwenintirjgoererrkpprrlreleptkrprkppkptkktpkp

Thank you, my arch nemesis. As soon as he gets lynched, I am coming after you next

bbbaibi kkpajaahswbrb. Renjhwihikntnkrnrtnrt, baknakannkak.

[Jeanne11]

maybe......hihaihshisishihhih......

[Jeanne11]

Titus is a mood swinger. That makes her unreliable. That's why I am voting her right after you are lynched, Elbiiiiirnnnnnn...... *bloodthirsty glare*

[Jeanne11]

*glares at Titus some more* Da love, da honour, da town.

[Jeanne11]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety
Die scum..

*glares* You vote Elbiiiirnnnn. *continues glaring*

[Jeanne11]

See? Titus became crazy as well, aanonoeoewnow

[Jeanne11]

The few, the proud, the crazy farmers!

@Elbirn We want to produce a yummy fruit. Be our benefactor and kindly tells us which one should we cultivate.

[Jeanne11]

Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more.

[Jeanne11]

Voting me is a mistake. Instead, Elbirn should help us pick a fruit to cultivate.

@C'mon Elbirn, pick a fruit already......we don't like to be kept waiting.....

[Jeanne11]

piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Jeanne11]

Okay LQ, I won't vote for you anymore for now. Prove to us that you cannot be scum. We'll be waiting.

In the meantime,

VOTE: Black Magick

I think some pressure on him will yield some results.

[Jeanne11]

Prove to us that you cannot be scum. If you could prove it, you wouldn't be saying mundane things.

[Jeanne11]

Sounds like an excuse to me.

[Jeanne11]

All I know is that Titus claimed town in our last game without any solid proof. She ended up being scum. So naturally I am suspicious of anyone not giving solid proof.

[Jeanne11]

Why? I just said that someone ended up being scum despite claiming town. So afaik, you could be doing the same thing. Bring solid proof. I trust no one without undeniable proof. So far, only one player gave me solid proof.

[Jeanne11]

And the fact that you still want to keep your vote despite the fact that my logic above is kinda good seems dodgy to me.

[Jeanne11]

Like 'I am scum, but I don't wanna be caught for wrong reasons' thing.

[Jeanne11]

I did produce it. You could be doing the same as Titus did last game. That is all I have to say right now. Geez, if you are really town, you would give me 'I am town because X, Y and Z'. It cannot be THAT hard to do so, geez.

[Jeanne11]

Read this topic: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63644

Titus was scum there and she played town. How is the fact that you could be doing the same thing remotely failible? Sure, it could be the wrong conclusion, but the suspicion on you isn't. It's based on the last game I had.

[Jeanne11]

Why? Because they fooled me in that game and as a result, I trust no one. Why should I trust you, huh? So that you can play me for a fool like they did it that game?!

[Jeanne11]

It isn't. I won't allow anyone else to play me for a fool.

[Jeanne11]

So you do things that way? Well, if so, I call bs. If you truly read people based on the feel of the posts, then you should read me as town.

[Jeanne11]

And on top of that, you claimed you are above giving the game-related info. Arrogant much? I tried to be as calm as possible, but I hate 'holier-than-thou' types with a passion.

[Jeanne11]

But how can I read you as town if you don't show me why you are town? Tbh, if you don't show me you're town somehow, I will keep scum-reading you.

[Jeanne11]

And then it will turn out you, Elbirn and someone else are scum at the end and have been manipulating people with 'what if' arguments. Repeat, anyone?

[Jeanne11]

So far my gut says LQ is scum and that Elbirn is the possible partner.

[Jeanne11]

Jeanne: wtf? EVERYONE CLAIMS TOWN. Some of them are scum. Like, your statement is meaningless, and you're doing even worse things than just thinking past events control current ones...you're not even drawing the parallels between the play of the same player. Transferring suspicion onto LQ for claiming to be town with no proof (WHICH ALMOST NO ONE CAN PROVIDE) because TITUS in another game claimed town with no proof is insane.

Titus: So....you came to a conclusion about me it would seem?

-Cerb

Maybe, but I suspect everyone in this game. I trust no one. No one. Not unless they give me a reason to.

[Jeanne11]

Well, Elbirn is also going off gut and you're not pointing THAT out. I wonder why that is? Maybe because he is your partner and I am not?

[Jeanne11]

Also, the fact that you're agreeing to push my town read doesn't help you convince me either.

[Jeanne11]

You are missing one tiny detail. The last time someone said 'I am definitely town', they were scum. What am I supposed to do? Let scum make a fool out of me again?

[Jeanne11]

If you think that's what I am supposed to do, tough luck.

[Jeanne11]

And then there's a fact that you aren't suspecting him at all, which alarms me a bit.......

*shakes head*

But what can I do, when nobody agrees with me......?

[Jeanne11]

But hey, since players would happily burn a townie on a pyre rather than scum, I don't see why am I even trying......

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Considering you and Shiro played the rest of us for fools, no.

[Jeanne11]

What's the right conclusion then?

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Facts? Facts are only there to back up a gut feeling. Just ask ABR.

@Elbirn Yes

[Jeanne11]

Like, for example, the fact that I was an escort served to back up my gut read in that game.

[Jeanne11]

You suspect LQ too. Tell me what reasons do you have for that.

[Jeanne11]

*goes off to search*

[Jeanne11]

Either way, my vote stays.

Eta: k, chief

[Jeanne11]

True, but it's because I already sorted her as townfirm for now. Her posts proved it to me.

[Jeanne11]

Sure, she could be scum, but that would mean I am overly guilible, which is not in my character to be.

[Jeanne11]

And why so interested all of a sudden? Trying to get an easy kill? *glares*

[Jeanne11]

So you are trying to get an easy kill. Thanks for confirming.

[Jeanne11]

Luckily for town, I am a brainiac and have a stronger brain as my ally on top of that.

[Jeanne11]

Yes, you guessed it right, I have AL the robot. He can process any mafia information and give me the names of scum.

[Jeanne11]

We don't have trust tells.

[Jeanne11]

However, when Titus is scum, she let's people implode. She did this to me in last game we played together, but not in this one. So I read her as town.

[Jeanne11]

Taxicab?

[Jeanne11]

Yes. Yes I have. The wizard is pretty smart. Better do what the wizard says.

[Jeanne11]

@Titus It is here.

pedit: True, but wizards are also smart.

[Jeanne11]

Ask the wizard.

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Who u calling a grandma? The only known witch is Beatrice. And mulberries will be delivered as soon the master of the house makes a purchase.

[Jeanne11]

What about mulberries? Are they bad?

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Do you think mulberries need to be purged? Or can they be 100 % cultivated?

[Jeanne11]

@wg That would only be good if I am scum. If you consider the possibility that I am town, his push would seem scum. Unless we lynch townies?

[Jeanne11]

Also, in my first game here I was also inexperienced, yet I was scum-read because of it. Why should he be exempt from being scum-read just because he is a newb?

[Jeanne11]

If we're both town, then why isn't he moving his vote?!

[Jeanne11]

I am of mindset that there should be no mistakes.

VOTE: LQ

[Jeanne11]

You say that and yet your posts say you trust him 100 %

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Us farmers have decided that summer is best time to scumhunt.

[Jeanne11]

New farmhand wants to sort some details first. And we're growing elderberries.

[Jeanne11]

Apples are fine by me.

[Jeanne11]

And since elderberries won't grow for a while, I am to share info that the wizard told me. The info is there is a scum role that can lock this thread and force votes to be cast by PMing. The wizard said that we need to vote either Elbirn or scum to prevent this villain from screwing us over.

[Jeanne11]

That's why there's also apples and kiwi. Kiwi won't be eaten as fast, because it is sour.

[Jeanne11]

Apples are yummy. Kiwi, not so much.

Why slow down, though?

[Jeanne11]

Why do you think they're bad for harvest? We need the fruit that won't be eaten as fast, don't we?

[Jeanne11]

I don't think we should explain. Those who want to steal our secrets may be watching. Also, the reason I triggered it is because I'll be busy when the harvest was originally planned.

[Jeanne11]

I'll be busy on Monday. I won't be able to vote with the rest of you. This was the wizard's idea to begin with, not mine.

[Jeanne11]

Seems I got kicked from the farm. :/

[Jeanne11]

Yes, but you said we're going to farm your way.

[Jeanne11]

Sorry, but I am really busy on Monday. If you're considerate, you would understand. :/

[Jeanne11]

Isn't the point to make them not agree? That way, the chances are higher to make the scum slip up.

[Jeanne11]

Okay, I'll trust you. But don't drag the harvest out for too long, since I am busy on Monday. Really, I said it multiple times and you still want to do it on Monday.....?

[Jeanne11]

Titus is our chief strategy farmer, so if you townread her, you should townread the three of us as well.

[Jeanne11]

I read it. But it isn't kiwi or plum that we'll really harvest, is it? We'll harvest something else, right? We'll just make them think we're harvesting these.

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Or am I? Seems like you're forgetting the plan we discussed at the table.......:/

[Jeanne11]

@FK How? Well, it's simple. If Titus is town, she won't associate with scum.

Yeah, I know my logic is weird, but so is wg's idea to vote a townie for the lulz.

[Jeanne11]

Especially if said townie is a farmer. Never lynch farmers, buddy. They provide the town with nourishment.

[Jeanne11]

You want to vote me. I know I am town, so in my eyes, you are voting a townie for the lulz.

[Jeanne11]

I don't mean you, but wg plans to vote for me.

[Jeanne11]

This has nothing to do with you townfirming me. I KNOW I am town, that's what I am basing this on. Seriously, what do you want me to do, wg? Read LQ as 100 % town? I can do that, but that defeats the purpose of scumhunting

[Jeanne11]

So......what do the farmers say?

[Jeanne11]

Wait, Titus removed her vote? I thought we agreed to vote either myself or LQ, so what gives?

#scumdar on

[Jeanne11]

nvm, you voted.

[Jeanne11]

So what does your analysis tell you about who the scum are?

[Jeanne11]

pistachi seems scummy to me. The instant the thread was locked, he voted me. It can be only for one of two reasons: he thinks LQ is town or he's helping his scumbuddy dodge the bullet.

[Jeanne11]

Scumreads from me: pistachi0n, LQ, wgeurts. All of them and their votes activate my scumdar as people on here would say.

[Jeanne11]

So I am the dog? Nice. I love dogs.

[Jeanne11]

That would only be an insult if I am Bright, which I am not.

[Jeanne11]

VOTE: wgeurts

The fact is that only scum would say that they cannot be read.

#farmers ftw

[Jeanne11]

Yes, but why hide your alignment?

[Jeanne11]

And your vote was bad in my eyes too, considering that I am a confirmed townie from my POV. You think I am gonna fall for scum accusing me of being scum when I am town twice? The only way you can convince me you're town at this point is to vote LQ.

[Jeanne11]

Because he's scum?

VOTE: LQ

Everyone could be scum, you know. The last time we lost was because scum fooled us. Trust no one until their actions convince you.

[Jeanne11]

So......what do the farmers say?

You reap what you sow. You pushed the plan too fast and we reaped no harvest. Simple as that.

I find myself agreeing with Reasonably Rational simply because if you wanted to discover scum through a potential quick hammer the votes would have to have been closer that someone would have wanted to make the risk to kill a townie. That would mean one of them would have to sacrifice themselves for the team. Therefore, since it was still so open and opinions were really divided at the point of the lock. It makes me wonder what was supposed to happen. I understood what was supposed to happen but I do not think that did happen here. It was too early, the plan jumped the gun.

*sighs* I SAID I WOULD BE BUSY ON MONDAY, K? DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHERE YOU LIVE, BUT HERE, REAL LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT. IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT, THEN U ARE STUPID......

[Jeanne11]

Well, you're scum with wgeurts and LQ then and the three of you are trying to trick us.

[Jeanne11]

And what's it about you betraying our farm......? Well, as the chief farmer, I shall purge you as soon as possible.

FOS: Titus

[Jeanne11]

@Drixx ur a lolcow, and a scum one at that. That is all.

[Jeanne11]

Okay, but if anyone did that, it's one of you three.

[Jeanne11]

And here it shows up again. Titus says I am scum again, and we all know how that ended last time........

[Jeanne11]

Seems your mind is made up, then. Well, tell me how will I convince you? Or are you just so paranoid that everything is a wrong thing for you?

@Titus Last time I was right about you. Seems you're still mad about that......

[Jeanne11]

Well, after you and Shiro fooled me, it's perfectly reasonable thing. I am not going to be fooled twice just because you want me to trust you blindly.

[Jeanne11]

Yup. I had doubts since the beginning. But if that's how you want to play, all right.

VOTE: Titus

I trusted you until that post where you said I could be scum. If you are going to throw me aside, then our farm is obviously done for and I can manage it my way.

[Jeanne11]

Where the rage came from? Well, I trusted Shiro and she betrayed me. I trusted Titus here as well and she betrayed me. That's where it comes from.

[Jeanne11]

If you are going to play me for a fool, don't expect me to be all sunshine and rainbows towards you.

[Jeanne11]

So......what do the farmers say?

You reap what you sow. You pushed the plan too fast and we reaped no harvest. Simple as that.

I find myself agreeing with Reasonably Rational simply because if you wanted to discover scum through a potential quick hammer the votes would have to have been closer that someone would have wanted to make the risk to kill a townie. That would mean one of them would have to sacrifice themselves for the team. Therefore, since it was still so open and opinions were really divided at the point of the lock. It makes me wonder what was supposed to happen. I understood what was supposed to happen but I do not think that did happen here. It was too early, the plan jumped the gun.

If LQ is town, I'd disagree.

Jeanne's response told volumes. I set her against LQ for a reason. Jeanne is all buddy buddy with me, but freaks out when I pair her against LQ and starts blathering about the intent in the thread. She's all, trust no one. Yet she explicitly trusts me. (Starting with 400, there's a clear pattern of buddying me).

The plan was triggered early because Jeanne triggered it early, despite having clear instructions that Elbrin or I would trigger. She made no reference to being unavailable on Monday. She didn't communicate effectively with Suzune regarding the early trigger.

She also used a rot13 code earlier which can be cracked. The gibberish had to cover that. If you used a code, a legend is absolutely required.

It gave me doubts.

See that post? She started doubting me first.

[Jeanne11]

Look at the post above.

[Jeanne11]

I even told her at the end of last game I will not trust anybody and she still insists that I should trust her or else she'll scumread me. I think she's taking advantage of my naivety again to play me like a fiddle.

[Jeanne11]

Sorry but when someone is town and says they don't want the person with the role to claim and they don't want to know who has the role, they can't possibly be fishing for someone's role.

What do I think about the Jeanne thing? I think she appears scummy in several posts, but I also think it seems super convenient that she and you started having a back and forth show right when I was pressuring you and you decided to stop responding to my pressure. I will have to re-evaluate later tonight as I'm out of time now.

Love,
Drixx

Not discussing that past game with you but yes you did want a claim.

Nah, look at the reaction from Jeanne when she was paired with LQ.
Look at her

trust no one post. That's what snapped me

. Her excessive buddying pinged me back after 400.

That post, relevant bit is bolded. You're probably going to deny it though.

[Jeanne11]

Look, you didn't even give a proper reply to that last one. You just said something that sounds similar to the last game, where you were scum.

[Jeanne11]

Titus: I have proven myself as escort. Who cares if I am actually consort, I have proven myself as an escort, so just trust me, dammit!

Titus2: Jeanne11 hates me so I must be town.

[Jeanne11]

Above was said by Titus in the last game we played together. She was scum then? *bangs head against the wall*

[Jeanne11]

No, I am not. The 2nd line was said by you during the court in that game, and the 1st is your overall tune during that game.

[Jeanne11]

Well, answer me this: is there any way I can convince you I am town or will you stick to your belief that I am scum no matter what in this game as well?

[Jeanne11]

Last time Titus was scum. Why are you not addressing that too?!

[Jeanne11]

So then why are you favoring her being town over me being town? Is it favoritism or something?

[Jeanne11]

So you don't want to be manipulated again, but are perfectly fine with being coaxed by her into lynching the farm head. :/

[Jeanne11]

I had counted on you two helping me find scum, that's why I invited you to a farm. Now you're both turning against that?

[Jeanne11]

Yes, we both scum-read LQ, however, that doesn't mean I'll overlook other possibilities

VOTE: LQ

[Jeanne11]

Well, I need proof that you're town. And I mean solid proof, not just wishy-washy argument heavily influenced by you.

@Titus Same goes for you.

[Jeanne11]

Well, since you can't provide it, I will scum-read you till you provide it.

[Jeanne11]

It may be awful, but I will not be tricked again, get it?

Also, the proof I am town is that I wouldn't be voting LQ if I am scum.

[Jeanne11]

Believing wishy-washy argument caused the town to lose last time, so I am not taking any chances.

[Jeanne11]

If you are that desperate for town to lose again, continue believing possible lies, but I will not.

[Jeanne11]

So people who read other people town won't even care if those people turn out as scum. They'll be like 'but I read them as town.....'. Same goes for vice versa.

I am done with this. In the last game I played, town let themselves be manipulated far too easily, and same thing is happening in this one. >.>

[Jeanne11]

wgeurts and possibly Titus.

Trust? I put my trust in a player in the last game and they turned out to be scum. Trust can be detrimental if you trust the wrong player. I've been trying to tell you this all along, but you refuse to consider the possibility that you could be trusting the wrong player for the sake of blind trust.

[Jeanne11]

Because you're trusting LQ blindly and refuse to even think he could be scum under any circumstances.

[Jeanne11]

My point still stands.

[Jeanne11]

I started thinking that when Titus confirmed that my assessment that she gets angrier when chances of lynch were more likely and LQ said that his point still stands. A town player wouldn't say something after my assessment was confirmed by her.

[Jeanne11]

Hey, everyone, Titus said it herself, she gets angrier the more certain the probability of lynch is. Let's see if she's gonna start yelling if we lynch her scumbuddy Elbirn.

This is the worst fucking argument I've seen in this thread so far. But Jeanne11 can't be serious her. I still don't like it at all.

I'd really like it if Jeanne11 got some pressure on them, because these kinds of posts are shitty and I don't want to see Jeanne11 skate by with this kind of shit.

VOTE: Jeanne11

It's actually true. I get frustrated with bad lynches as town and aggressive conspire to out scum.

That mailman isn't here and he's inadvertently making me look bad for getting caught in traffic. Oh well.

The point stands, I don't like Jeanne11's posts.

And I mean this post as well as couple of others.

[Jeanne11]

And then there's a fact that when I gut read, I am some sort of a monster in his eyes, yet when you gut read, he sees you as some sort of saint. Either he's biased much or you're his scumbuddy.

[Jeanne11]

There should be no mistakes. Since I am town, anyone who reads me as scum is scum from my point of view.

[Jeanne11]

Also, you say Titus isn't a God, yet you are acting as if LQ is a God. Such a hypocrite.

[Jeanne11]

Yes, I have been mislynched. Multiple times. On other site. There was a time that I had a role whose lynching would lose the game for town, but stupid town lynched me anyway. :/

[Jeanne11]

And if wg doesn't think LQ is a God, he's pretty darn close. He lets LQ slip by with some of the things he scumreads me for and vice versa.

[Jeanne11]

It's precisely the fact that I have been mislynched that I don't want to have a repeat of that. It was terrible when town lost due to their own stupidity. And then they were like 'whatever'.

[Jeanne11]

You still have him as town read, allowing him to manipulate you easily, if you are town. Don't make the mistake I made in that game.

[Jeanne11]

Also, newsflash, you did copy his reads before the thread lock. You stated I am scum and were ready to lynch me.

Eta: I learned from that mistake, and what I have learned is not to trust anyone. FYI, the rest of you trust others too easily. It will end in disaster, I should know, cos it happened to me, by Shiro.

[Jeanne11]

> LQ says 'I am town'
> wg is immediately like 'LQ cannot be scum, no wai.'

[Jeanne11]

That's what Shiro and Titus said last game. They ended up being scum. Case in point, your argument isn't something I haven't seen.

[Jeanne11]

So you and LQ are 100 % confirmed town. I see.

[Jeanne11]

Then why aren't you voting him? If he isn't really your town read, shouldn't you at least pressure him a bit?

ETA: Elbirn and Suzune.

[Jeanne11]

But you are acting just like Shiro did back then, trying to pull me in with your lies and then suffocate me with carbon monoxide.

[Jeanne11]

You cannot do any harm to me? Really? You tried to convince people to lynch me and that isn't doing any harm to me? What about if I am NKed? Will you claim you didn't mean any harm then too?

[Jeanne11]

And then there's a fact you casually dismiss the fact that you could lie to me. Sorry, but that doesn't help changing my opinion of you.

[Jeanne11]

Yeah sure, and then you'll kill me as soon as night arrives before I could reaffirm my suspicions. I might be naive, but not that naive.

[Jeanne11]

Right now? So I would be at night? The night is in 9 days or so, not 'right now'.

You do realize you're implicating yourself?

[Jeanne11]

That's exactly what I am doing. By trusting only myself, I am lowering the chances of me being manipulated. Oh, and I do trust Elbirn and Suzune, I just don't trust you or LQ.

[Jeanne11]

There's nobody in this game who can objectively read Jeanne, and so there's only two ways to handle her: Lynch her while we have mislynches in case it's not just a put on by scum ... or investigate. But we can't trust that we HAVE a proper investigator and it would be suboptimal for an investigator to waste a night on someone who is being deliberately obtuse and slinging mud all over the place. This is a case where we're going to have to lynch Jeanne sooner or later, so better to do it today and get some clarity from all of her interactions.

You're town for {reasons}, which don't need to be discussed today, because scum doesn't need help.

And go ahead, go ahead and lynch a powerful town role if you think it'll help you deal with scum. *facewall*

[Jeanne11]

Back to watching DC. I tried to help you, but you are too stubborn to realize not everything is how you say it is.

[Jeanne11]

Unlike you, however, I have a foundation for my doubts. I have seen that scum could mislead other people. And the fact that you said that you wouldn't target me right now if you were scum, means you could still do it in the future.

[Jeanne11]

Also, the fact that you could answer my last post with nothing but a weak question proves you are indeed scummy.

[Jeanne11]

1. Well, the only way to absolutely avoid them is to trust only myself.
2. You know who the last person to say that was? Titus, who turned out to be scum.......

[Jeanne11]

Seriously, why cannot you see that the only way to absolutely avoid being mislead is to trust only yourself?

[Jeanne11]

And then there's a fact that you're about to lynch a powerful townie which you conveniently forgot. Just like Shiro in last game. And the fact that you're trying to get me to dance to your tune. Just like Shiro in last game. Well, same old trick won't work on me again. Be original scum if you want to fool me.

[Jeanne11]

3. blah blah LQ is 100 % town blah blah blah blah anyone who disagrees with me, the mighty wgeurts, shall be lynched even if they're town and I won't give a crap blah blah blah

[Jeanne11]

I am trying to stop you from lynching me on a whim. I'll deal with NK threat later.

[Jeanne11]

And then there's a fact that you assert that you shouldn't be lynched since you're town, but you are perfectly willing to lynch me who is also town. I don't understand how your brain works, but it's clearly a double standard.

[Jeanne11]

I will not repeat the same mistake from last game where I town-read scum. The safest bet for me is not to trust anyone.

[Jeanne11]

But, no, seriously, you all have 'let scum play us for fools, huzzah!' mentality and are looking me like I am insane for trying not to let scum string me along.......

[Jeanne11]

I tried to chill but people still mislynched me because they thought I was 'weird'. Either provide facts of get off my case.

[Jeanne11]

He answered your question

So if town, Ranger is objectively bad for making a hasty decision based upon nothing to actually read

You say nothing, I say something. RVS posting is never irrelevant posting. It's how Elbirn became obvtown, after all, and to some extent Titus and Jeanne too among others.

[Jeanne11]

I don't care. I am aiming for the town win, and anyone who hinders that shall burn.

[Jeanne11]

So suppose you think you understand the motive and declare a person a townie. Said person turns out to be scum.

......

Yeah, a good idea. A pretty darn good idea.....:/

[Jeanne11]

Okay, here are my reads. They're all gut reads for now.

Town
Titus
Suzune
Elbirn
Myself

Scum
wgeurts
LQ
RR

[Jeanne11]

If you don't like the fact I am using a gut read, then attack wgeurts also, for he uses them too.

[Jeanne11]

Then why do you willify me for using them?

[Jeanne11]

That last post is rather far fetched.

Town always has reasonable doubt. Jeanne11 has not demonstrated that at all in their Scum read on us.

What a hypocrite. You haven't demonstrated doubt in your scum read on me. By your logic, that makes you scum.

[Jeanne11]

Well, if you want that play, then I will give it to you. The fruit mention, the buddying wasn't neccessarily because I am scum. Ever heard of masonry? Ever heard of neighbourhood?

[Jeanne11]

Or could it be that you have but refuse to take into account the possibility that I could be in one of those because that would doom you?

[Jeanne11]

So just because I have voted them, I cannot be in masonry/neighbourhood with them, thus I must be scum? So much for thinking of every possibility. This last statement of yours means you do indeed follow LQ and what he says goes.

[Jeanne11]

Well, then, bring out proof that we absolutely cannot be neighbours. And I don't mean a single sentence. Bring out our posts that show with absolute certainty that we cannot be neighbours. C'mon, out with such posts.

[Jeanne11]

That's bs. I need to talk in the thread because you're suspecting me solely for attacking you. You don't even have real proof that I am scum aside from me buddying Titus which could be explained by us being neighbours.

[Jeanne11]

1000 and 1001 are aimed at both of you, scumbuddies. Now, will you continue moving in circles or bring out posts that prove we cannot be neighbours & aren't made by you two?

[Jeanne11]

I am an informed messaging townie that can send messages during the day.

There are other methods of communicating outside the thread.

The fruit is my method of communicating

with my block

to counteract an uber powerful anti-town role.

There is a role that makes all players vote within 24 hours by pm. It terminates the day after that. All votes are anonymous and cannot be detected by any means.

To counteract this role, we're voting Jeanne or LQ when this happens.

She did actually say we're neighbours here. I bolded the bits where she said so.