Mini 1826: The Purge - Game Over

[kraska77]

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[kraska77]

Hey what do you guys mean by shoot above or below

[kraska77]

I'M JUST GOING TO WALK MYSELF OUT OF HERE

[kraska77]

Oh ok above or below on the playerlist
I don't understand why you're proposing this but wtv

[kraska77]

I thought I missed sth in the setup
Why shoot people according to randomised order? What's wrong with shooting whoever ure confident about flipping scum?

[kraska77]

If majority consolidates on a vigging pool of 2 or sth before each day ends then we're good I guess?

[kraska77]

realeo seems like tryhard town lol

I enjoy RVS. It's my only moment for me to do my thing without it looking awkward.

this is funny because ur posting so far is awkward

[kraska77]

VOTE: lane

[kraska77]

The real tryhard here is lane
More votes on lane pls

[kraska77]

Lol
Pv's profile says last online on 25th
Don't think he even picked up his role pm yet

[kraska77]

Tentative townreads so far: realeo and shos

I think if shos were scum and trying to fake townships, he would have done so in more moderation. He kept getting one thing wrong abt the setup after the other and the thing he said about confirming the wrong role was unprovoked and looked incredibly scummy, I don't think he would have said that if he were scum. Also mod was afk for a while iirc, so mod not correcting his conf is believable

Lane's jump on shos looks shitty. And the "don't steal my line of thought" thing shows he's concerned with being credited for calling out on realeo first which is also shitty
And the vote on shadow is super shitty. It was weekend and deadline is 11 days away idk what he's making a big deal about

[kraska77]

"Dont steal my line of questioning"*

[kraska77]

Lol

[kraska77]

losers

[kraska77]

In post 188, kraska77 wrote:
Lane's jump on shos looks shitty. And the "don't steal my line of thought" thing shows he's concerned with being credited for calling out on realeo first which is also shitty
And the vote on shadow is super shitty. It was weekend and deadline is 11 days away idk what he's making a big deal about

@kraska - Unless I missed something, lane's vote didn't have anything to do with me not posting, it's the fact I popped in to make a post about not posting. If that bothers you, what do you think about Almost's willingness to vote people that haven't posted much yet? (The quote above this for reference).

both seem to be using lurkers as cop out from actual scumhunting
and what is wrong with popping in to announce vla? that's like...a thing people always do on this site?

[kraska77]

The only thing that bothers me is the dynamic of lane and shos.

I understand that you sometimes interrogate your town read.
I understand that you sometimes work together, and that's not necessarily buddying or scummy.

However, lane

townread

me and

scumread

shos.

How in the whole world, lane work with

shos

together to interrogate

me

?

I mean, when I mentioned my fos, I feel disgust (well, overkill, but you get my point.)

But lane seems to be laxed about it. This maybe incorrect conclusion, but I'm thinking either both shos and lane are scum or both shos and lane are town. No in between.

I never said anything about townreading you. Good try. -1

how else would you perceive shos as opportunistic for pushing realeo then? -___-

[kraska77]

You seem to think I didn't want the credit for my line of questioning

that's literally the opposite of what i said

[kraska77]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

I noticed you didn't say shit about almost50 voting for someone who had 0 posts... Why not?

bc moi was onto a50 about this anyway? and i did say u were both doing the same shit when asked about it

both seem to be using lurkers as cop out from actual scumhunting

[kraska77]

Did you not consider maybe I didn't want my scumread to again be opportunistic to look town? Didn't want him jumping in to a spot I was obviously going?

again this shit doesnt make sense
why isnt the spot you're going to a spot you scumread?

[kraska77]

again this shit doesnt make sense
why isnt the spot you're going to the*** spot you scumread?

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[kraska77]

let';s get things straight

you think shos is scum
you dont think realeo is scum
for some reason you decided to push realeo rather than your scumread
shos agrees with your push on realeo
you accuse shos of being opportunistic scum
but instead of sorting shos
you jump onto someone who announced a vla bc for some reason that's deceitful

u see now why ur track record so far looks bad?

[kraska77]

@shaddowez
i brought up the deadline bc lane was whining about lack of content. obviously my point was we still have a lot of time and most people were busy over the weekend
why do others have to bring up deadline for this to be acceptable lol
and i did say what i thought about a50, read post 229

anyway the way shaddow has been throwing weird filler questions my way looks like scum who knows my vote is in the wrong place
VOTE: shaddow

@lane a50 didnt immediately vote pv tho
when he first brought up pv and accused him of lurking it out, i pointed out that pv hadnt even picked up his pm yet. by the time he voted, moi was already onto him

[kraska77]

Why is trying to sort more than one slot scummy?

the thing is, i dont see you really sorting your scumread?
your push on shos is barely there
youre more focused on realeo
and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas

[kraska77]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

By the time he voted, moi was already on to him...?

Can you show me one post moi talked to almost50 about pv before this vote?

sorry sometimes my wording comes out really wonky and i dont even realise (eng isnt my first lang)
what i meant to say is moi questioned him after the vote

i just realised that the timeline was messed up in my head tho, the way i remembered it was that vote came later
anyway you didnt address this "and your push on shaddow is disingeneous bc moi and kuroi also announced vlas"

[kraska77]

Do you think you're being scummy voting shadow when I'm your scum read? How could you be voting somewhere else, I'm your scum read.

no after shaddow's latest posts im pretty sure youre town and he's scum

[kraska77]

does nobody else find it weird that
lane specifically picked on shaddow out of all the people who were on vla, and even called his vla deceitful
and yet when shaddow comes back...instead of point out that lane's push on him is shit(i had to do this for him), he completely ignores all of this and questions me instead for pointing out that lane whining about lurking or lack of content (over a weekend) so early into the game is weird?

[kraska77]

1) You say lane's vote on me is shitty, and the only thing you say surrounding that is your comment about the deadline. If the two were unrelated, you didn't make it appear that way.

.....
how are they not related shaddow
calling out on someone for voting a person on vla and bringing up deadline to show that it's way too early into the game for this kind of push to look genuine
what about any of that is weird
this is what i meant by filler contribution. youre asking really hollow questions.

2) lane's vote on lurkers seemed to bother you, but you didn't say anything about Almost doing the same thing. I asked you to clarify, and all you've said is "both seem to be using lurkers as cop out from actual scumhunting". That doesn't give me any idea on your specific thoughts on Almost doing it, or why you didn't call him out when you called out lane.

lane picking you out of all vlas doesnt bother you? im interested in why youre completely ignoring that

4) If I was scum and knew your vote was in the wrong place, wouldn't I be trying to keep your vote there?

no the way you are going about this is youre so focused on trying to insinuate that my vote on lane is bad, that you dont notice your complete disregard for lane's push on you is all sorts of off

[kraska77]

does nobody else find it weird that
lane specifically picked on shaddow out of all the people who were on vla, and even called his vla deceitful
and yet when shaddow comes back...instead of point out that lane's push on him is shit(i had to do this for him), he completely ignores all of this and questions me instead for pointing out that lane whining about lurking or lack of content (over a weekend) so early into the game is weird?

Does anybody else find it weird that kraska continually ignores my actual reason for voting shadow, and also ignores the fact that I called shos out for the same thing, trying to make it seem like I picked ONLY shadow, when that's not even the truth, and also ignores my explanation of why I think vla is different, while ALSO completely ignored almost50 voting a NON poster, while also having Zero suspicion of almost50 doing what they think I did only worse?! And also tried to make it seem like moi was already on almost50 by the time he votes for pv, WHILE ALSO not yet giving an explanation for why they didn't question almost50 for voting pv?!

While also trying to say I said shadows vla was deceitful when I've said what I actually thought was deceitful?

Talk about deciding who you'll lynch first and building your case around that! VOTE: kraska

lane is still being a shitlord and interferes with my exchange with shaddow
vote shaddow he's scum

[kraska77]

fuck

i missed his early unvote post lol
that explains why both of lane and ur posts looked like alienspeak to me

so here's why i thought his push on you was shitty:
the rules were vague anyway, the way people were divided on what stranding means shows that there was some need for clarification from the mod. so, even though i thought calling you out on this was weak, it's the way he also quoted the post where you said you'll be away till monday that made me think he's scum. look at his string of posts before the one where he voted you to see the context. it looked to me like a really baseless push bc what he did was 1) call you out for interpreting vague part of the OP differently but 2) and more importantly he quoted the post where you said you'll be away till monday like that's supposed to mean shit. like he called out a bunch of people for saying theyre busy, and then right after voted you partly for that and partly for a whatever reason on interpreting a rule differently when u werent even the only one to do that

like it's the fact that he quoted your post 126 that made his push look real bad. the understanding stranded differently part was whatever and looked like an excuse to vote you. the thing is i missed his unvote later so

i thought he was still voting you up till his vote on me last page

which is why i thought it was weird that youre not addressing him for still voting you even though ure back and the rules were clarified. like bc i thought he was still voting you, all of his replies to my questions regarding you looked like he's trying to justify keeping his vote on you for weak reasons
im fucking sorry lmaooooo i hope this explains everything UNVOTE:

[kraska77]

oh man
and this dumb tunnel went on for pages
i literally shit up the thread

[kraska77]

How about this then:
Whoever majority agrees should be shot gets stranded
Then during the night all citizens use barricade
The masons both shoot the stranded player
Best case scenario: We end up with 2 nks; stranded player and strongman's shot
Worst case is we end up with 4 nks if masons are shot

[kraska77]

Ammendment bc I just re-read strongman's role(apparently doesn't have barricade):
Masons arrange it so only one of them shoots stranded player
Other uses barricade
So worst case scenario is 3 nks not 4

[kraska77]

Uh I forgot about the other 2 scum >.>
They're forced to shoot at the same target out of fear of potentially targetting someone protected

Anyway point is, if we mess up and strand town, We're still limiting scum kills to 2

Thoughts?

[kraska77]

If we strand town:
One of the masons kills stranded player
Strongman kills another town
Other 2 scum target another townie

If we strand steongman we end up with strongman dead 2 town nked

If we strand backup scum:
The chances of the other backup scum shooting the unprotected mason are pretty low
We end up with backup scum dead and only one townie dead


Dunno if u derped somewhere here or if there's something I haven't considered

[kraska77]

If i* derped

[kraska77]

Still haven't read, but what about

Odd numbered players shoot the person above them.
Even numbered players barricade.

If the strongman is even, he dies.
If the strongman is odd, he kills and cuts the lynch pool in half.

I think this could lead to an extra mafia kill at night, but at the risk of getting them killed (if they are even and shoot anyway), but would narrow the lynch pool.

Anyways, something like that, but better.

Thoughts?

I disagree on all of this. I don't like our night actions being transparent because I don't think we should be easy pickings for scum.

The issue comes up when scum goons are shooting. They can avoid shooting their barricaded buddy and shoot a town shooter.

Or, they can gang up on a town barricade.

But, if they try to shoot when they are supposed to be barricading, they will die. But, knowing how to shoot, they will take a townie with them.


Anyways, more heads are better.

unless im missing sth, i think this works

[kraska77]

9 town dead? u wot
read his post again

[kraska77]

pere's plan puts strongman in a tight spot bc it exploits their strength
if they shoot, it will go through barricade
and barricading isnt an option for strongman

[kraska77]

and also exploits the fact that the other 2 scum have no control over their backup status
strongman dies, another is forced to become strongman

[kraska77]

unless im missing sth, this looks like a solid plan to me *shrugs*

[kraska77]

@moi
if we arrange it so first player on the list(lane) shoots the 13th player(me)
then if no strongman dies or no kill breaks the chain, that would automatically point to lane being confstrongman no?

[kraska77]

a town death at the expense of auto-locating strongman
1 for 1

also @pere if we go through with your plan i think it's better not to strand anyone

[kraska77]

His plan doesn't auto-locate the strongman and if you think so you probably should re-adjust your thinking

unless scum team is arranged as scum/strongman/scum on the list? like the possibility is there just really really reaaaally low

. what are the odds of the scum team being lined up above eachother and strongman being in the middle? given that the list is the way it bc of signup order and that roles were randomised
but even then, what you said about town numbers wittling on night one doesnt stand. this is still really limiting scum's actions

what am i missing here?

[kraska77]

if we come out night one with nothing that points to strongman's location
then switch up even and odd roles, as its likely strongman and a goon are adjacent on the list in a way that made it possible for strongman not to be caught
that way, the only way strongman would not be caught no matter what is if theyre positioned between 2 goons...and the probability for that to be true is too low given that roles were randomised

[kraska77]

if we come out night one with nothing that points to strongman's location
then switch up even and odd roles, as its likely strongman and a goon are adjacent on the list in a way that made it possible for strongman not to be caught
that way, the only way strongman would not be caught no matter what is if theyre positioned between 2 goons...and the probability for that to be true is too low given that roles were randomised

forgot to add: dont forget that the current list in the OP is the signup order list, guys

[kraska77]

no we dont panic lol
we repeat the process
pls iso pere and read his posts

[kraska77]

odd #1
even #1
odd #2
even #2
odd #3
even #3
etc
if on the first night, even #1 shot odd #1
then on night two, the order of action should be shifted up one level...odd#2 shoots even #1 and odd #1 shoots the person at the bootom of the list(even #3)
we shouldnt randomise again imo

this way strongman will get caught even if they happen to be adjacent to one of their buddies

[kraska77]

if we apply this to the gamestate in post 431, you'll die on night two if order of action is shifted up one level and the person belows you(shos) shoots you

[kraska77]

I'm not moving off kraska until I find someone better. And right now considering its all talk about best play and no scum hunting/ basically anything else, there is no one better. the apology and retraction can easily come from scum realizing they picked the wrong person to try to lynch. All it really tells me is she was pick and choosing things to force a lynch. Evidence being a naked vote on me, followed by more and more things she found scummy. Evidence being she supposedly missed my immediate unvote,

and also missed shadow addressing said unvote (separated so not missed) citing it for a town read. After talk all about me and shadow not caring about my push on shadow, she misses that TWICE? she either saw it, or she missed it because she's just looking for something to call scum. Either way I don't think that's town whatsoever, considering she seemed to be ONLY paying attention to us two for pages.

So what if it was mentioned twice? I don't read posts, I just skim thru them...it's the reason why I'm known for getting facts hilariously wrong across all games. I really did miss it and it skewed with my perception of everything you were saying. But whatever. if we're not sticking to the plan then shoot me

[kraska77]

Shoot me then ^_^

[kraska77]

Shoot me then ^_^

Why do you think you missed the thing that cleared me and shadow for you, twice, but find plenty of scum things

I missed your unvote post
So everything you said afterwards looked like u were justifying your (not there) vote
and shadow looked weird for not poking you about your (not there) vote
That's all
You're gonna keep insisting that I'm lying and making up excuses tho so if we're not following a plan, you or piss should shoot me tonight...I won't barricade

[kraska77]

im officially giving up

Same

[kraska77]

Shos isn't scum

[kraska77]

Lets just strand nosferatu bc shos is town
VOTE: nosferatu

[kraska77]

Yeah bc it's not obvious as hell that shos is town from all the pages following when Pere first suggested his plan

[kraska77]

When many are disagreeing to a plan that breaks the setup, I can hardly tell who is scum anymore

[kraska77]

Of the votes on shos, i dont think almost50 and realeo are scum. Moi is a question mark. Nosferatu is obvious scum. And idk about pisskop...he's so vocal about dismissing any plans without even attempting to read...he's also a question mark

[kraska77]

Nosferatu is obvious scum

Where's your case for why?

I'm curious.

Slept hrough the entire plan discussion until it was safe to voice disapproval. Also went for easy picking realeo at the start of the game and then fence sits b/w shos and realeo by saying realeo is scum but shos triggers him(lol)

[kraska77]

When many are disagreeing to a plan that breaks the setup, I can hardly tell who is scum anymore

Mainly because there hasn't been a plan shown that breaks this set-up for certain. All the plans that supposedly do rest on unknown factors (scum not being next to each other in the playerlist, the scum Strongman not being stranded Night 1) that can be wrong and destroy any conclusions made.

But you are the player who supposedly doesn't read posts and skims them right? So how do you know that a plan that breaks the set-up has been presented.

You clearly haveny read the part of the threaf on the follow-up plan for day 2. Read that first then we can argue about why this doesnt work. Day 2 is part of the plan too

[kraska77]

Pretty sure you're just a VI? Even scum realizes its stupid to suggest a plan in this game right? Literally no way to know if the plan is being followed through and there's no guaranteed punishment cause no lynch? Pretty sure you wouldn't bring that up as scum after we've presumably stopped with planning, since I'm pretty sure this opinion's been voiced before.

Also don't think you would defend

both your scumbuddies

like that.

yeah bc realeo/shos team lineup totally makes sense given their interactions
anyway why do u give me leeway for being a vi/planning but not shos?

[kraska77]

also I don't look for associations for people who I already think are scum

^ shooting this tonight ^

[kraska77]

see i also think early game posting is imp
but i dont buy that u think u have scum locked from like a couple of pages into the game and dont need to follow the rest

[kraska77]

Yes I'm done with this game pls shoot me

lane, sorry to burst your bubble but 'a waste of a day', if you read my posts, is game over. if we shoot who we wish, game is likely over after N1.

Don't even try lol it's no use

[kraska77]

You literally a Donald Trump. I am not saying Hillary Clinton is good as well,

I LOVE YOU XD XD ♡♡♡

[kraska77]

Town:
MoI - tone is like town games; he's not completely dumb, touches of ignorance, but overall logical feel
PeregrineV - really guys we can't tell between scum and town PV?
pisskop - haven't been wrong on this guy yet
lane0168 - actually skimmed this one since that was some obv town shit


Probably town:
Vedith - kinda null but town enough; could be scum
Kraska77 - just talked about this
Almost50 - setup spec'd a lot so hard to read that but outside of that ISO wasn't bad


Scum:
Realeo - scumposted earlier so I didn't re-read; might if someone says he's super town now or something
Shos - triggers me.
Shadowez - literally does nothing
KuroiXHF - 〃

Null af:
Not Chara

So yeah I've got (at least) one wrong scum read, so if you've got a good reason I should remove one of them I'll re-read it.

Pretty sure you're just a VI? Even scum realizes its stupid to suggest a plan in this game right? Literally no way to know if the plan is being followed through and there's no guaranteed punishment cause no lynch? Pretty sure you wouldn't bring that up as scum after we've presumably stopped with planning, since I'm pretty sure this opinion's been voiced before.

Also don't think you would defend

both your scumbuddies

like that.

yeah bc realeo/shos team lineup totally makes sense given their interactions
anyway why do u give me leeway for being a vi/planning but not shos?

because shos triggers me.

^ this needs to die ^
Someone shoot with me in case this barricades ^

Not chara is also a good shot

[kraska77]

@shos shoot nos with me

[kraska77]

@shos shoot nos with me

I'm also happy to shoot not chara

[kraska77]

Both shos and I are town, and if I'm wrong about nos/nc and scum shoot 2 other town, game goes to shit. I'm going to try one last time to convince you that this is dumb and we should be following the game breaking plan that most of you have not bothered to fully read...I'm on sleeping pills rn...I'll do this tomorrow

[kraska77]

I agree about a50
This is beginning to feel like the newyork game where he constantly made me feel like everything I said was moonlogic then turns out he's just scum
Pisskop I'm iffy about
Also pls take a look at not chara's iso that's probably scum

[kraska77]

Realeo I'll explain everhhing later tonight. I'm a little busy atm

[kraska77]

And I'm a she dammit

[kraska77]

VOTE: no lynch/strand/whatdver
If you're going to misshoot town atleast don't deprive them of their shot
@shos shoot a50 with me...I don't think pisskop is scum here

[kraska77]

New plan:

Myself and MoI shoot kraska

PK & Realeo shoot shos.

Everyone else can do whatever they want.

No u dont get to dictate who shoots who like that
Shooting me and shos should be the masons job. It's stupid to put more people in a vulnerable position

[kraska77]

VOTE: no lynch/strand/whatdver
If you're going to misshoot town atleast don't deprive them of their shot
@shos shoot a50 with me...I don't think pisskop is scum here

This should be killed right after Shos ...

do u have anything useful to add to the game ?

[kraska77]

@chara
No im not wasting breath explaining why planning the night locks the strongman. Especially not after the posts in this page.
U can iso me if ure so curious, I already explained everything before.

[kraska77]

do u have anything useful to add to the game ?

I've added plenty of useful content to the game. That you choose to ignore it over "Lulz I gotz a breakinz plans youze guyz" fluff isn't my problem but yours.

But the fact that you are so strident that Shos has to be Town when you've implicitily claimed Not-Masons with him tells me you might well be White-Knighting Shos.

Heck, you may be a better shot at Night than Shos anyway given the lack of scum-hunting found in your ISO.

I'm getting shot tonight that's already been decided
Don't you have anything new to add?

[kraska77]

oh, pardon me. i took that out of context. i thought you were referring to the questions about your read on me.

Explain your reads on vedith and nosferatu first

[kraska77]

VOTE: no lynch/strand/whatdver

If you're going to misshoot town atleast don't deprive them of their shot
@shos shoot a50 with me...I don't think pisskop is scum here

This IS basically a scumclaim!! Someone doesn't even recognize how the SIMPLE game mechanics work after 700+ posts can't be of a town mindset.

read the OP before u post

[kraska77]

Vedith: Realeo scumread is based on Realeo misrepping/misinterpreting things, which is an easy thing to jump on for a scumread. "i didn't say this - you're lying - you're scum" both town and scum misread/misinterpret posts, this is a bad basis for his strongest (only) read. lacks any reads or opinions on anything else, and i see no evidence of trying to figure things out. if you can find some, please show me, but i get the impression that Vedith isn't scumhunting and is not worried about the alignments of other players. post after his absence is again calling out Realeo. note: i encourage calling out other players when they lie/claim one did things that they didn't, but this is all Vedith has been doing.
also, i dislike the "tell me who to shoot/tell me if i should barricade" attitude. he does say he won't reveal what he's doing if there isn't a plan, though.

Nosferatu: is just a townread, i don't have as much material here. i really don't know how to interpret their "shos triggers me" mantra, but it seems to have more to do with something personal than anything in this game. and i can't tell if it's a joke or not, so i'll leave it. rereading their ISO, i'm not a fan of their more recent posting. i'd like them to elaborate on their Realeo scumread, because Realeo is one of my strongest townreads. 608

might

have been the reason i noted them as town, but i honestly can't remember. i don't see very much town evidence here, in hindsight.

nosferatu did the same with the realeo read, except worse. atleast vedith points out the posts he dislikes. i dont see much scumhunting in this game anyway. what makes vedith a more scummy lurker than shadow or whoever else? and im townreading vedith for the ""tell me who to shoot/tell me if i should barricade" attitude" bc there was a lot of anti-planned night sentiment flying about the room when he made those posts.

so you dont really have a good reason to townread nosferatu hmmm

[kraska77]

and kraska, my Vedith read has nothing to do with activity. i never read activity, except in a specific circumstance that doesn't apply here, so bringing up shadow is moot (shadow, by the way, i don't really have an opinion on. i guess i could look, but i really don't care too until they come back from their v/la anyway)

it's not about activity, it's about you saying you havent seen much sumhunting from vedith when there other players with low content too
i just dont really see how you reached the conclusion that vedith is the scummiest person in the game so far...

[kraska77]

okay not chara...what makes almost50 town? bc im shooting that tonight most probably
not feeling notcharascum anymore ^_^

[kraska77]

VOTE: no lynch/strand/whatdver

If you're going to misshoot town atleast don't deprive them of their shot
@shos shoot a50 with me...I don't think pisskop is scum here

This IS basically a scumclaim!! Someone doesn't even recognize how the SIMPLE game mechanics work after 700+ posts can't be of a town mindset.

read the OP before u post

I did. And there is no such thing as a LYNCH in this game to begin with, so there is not an option for a "No Lynch".
Furthermore, there will still be someone stranded regardless of reaching a majority. The majority only serves to end the day faster.
Thirdly; with shos being stranded, he can't shoot anyone, unless -of course- if he IS the strongman, in which case he doesn't need YOU shooting with him.

So, not one, not two, but THREE misconceptions in one post. You tell me who's not reading!

RULES

3) You may vote for a No Lynch.

[kraska77]

almost50 saying me strongly defending my townreads is not characteristic of my townplay is bs ^_^
also describes my town play as flailing when there were multiple instances of people calling me aggressive in the one game we played together ^_^

[kraska77]

Also, since YOU mentioned that game: how "vocal" was I in it? How hard did I try to influence the flow of the game, apart from not getting myself lynched?? Think about it.. if you're town, that is!

the way you keep painting my posts as moonlogic here reminds me of the way you made a big deal about me refusing to claim in that game when it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do

[kraska77]

We are not no lynching. We have no reason to. We are going to strand and shoot something tonight

i have no qualms with stranding so long as it's someone who is actually scummy

[kraska77]

like nosferatu or almost50

[kraska77]

Add to that her predilection for confusing disagreeing with a flawed plan to be a scum tell

i would be pushing for a strand on you or piskop if this were true

[kraska77]

Vedith: Realeo scumread is based on Realeo misrepping/misinterpreting things, which is an easy thing to jump on for a scumread. "i didn't say this - you're lying - you're scum" both town and scum misread/misinterpret posts, this is a bad basis for his strongest (only) read. lacks any reads or opinions on anything else, and i see no evidence of trying to figure things out. if you can find some, please show me, but i get the impression that Vedith isn't scumhunting and is not worried about the alignments of other players. post after his absence is again calling out Realeo. note: i encourage calling out other players when they lie/claim one did things that they didn't, but this is all Vedith has been doing.
also, i dislike the "tell me who to shoot/tell me if i should barricade" attitude. he does say he won't reveal what he's doing if there isn't a plan, though.

Nosferatu: is just a townread, i don't have as much material here. i really don't know how to interpret their "shos triggers me" mantra, but it seems to have more to do with something personal than anything in this game. and i can't tell if it's a joke or not, so i'll leave it. rereading their ISO, i'm not a fan of their more recent posting. i'd like them to elaborate on their Realeo scumread, because Realeo is one of my strongest townreads. 608

might

have been the reason i noted them as town, but i honestly can't remember. i don't see very much town evidence here, in hindsight.

nosferatu did the same with the realeo read, except worse. atleast vedith points out the posts he dislikes. i dont see much scumhunting in this game anyway. what makes vedith a more scummy lurker than shadow or whoever else? and im townreading vedith for the ""tell me who to shoot/tell me if i should barricade" attitude" bc there was a lot of anti-planned night sentiment flying about the room when he made those posts.

so you dont really have a good reason to townread nosferatu hmmm

so when did I misrepresent a post of realeo's?

when i said you did the same thing as vedith but worse, i meant that you just quoted a realeo post, said it was scummy and that was that for you. it looks like an easy/lazy read that's supposed to show youre scumhunting or whatever

[kraska77]

also shos/realeo team lineup is still really dumb
idk why im the only one pointing that out

[kraska77]

^_^

[kraska77]

Doesn't change the fact that this is what you did and this is why I couldn't wrap my head around notchara's reads on you and vedith being polar

[kraska77]

@realeo

[kraska77]

take ur vote off shos then

[kraska77]

y
is shos town because i dont townread a person on teh wagon?

youre fighting really hard to save shos. y exactly

because ppl voting to strand him have yet to come up with a real case on him
especially when nos makes one garbage post after the other and noone seems to care
moi has been posting filler garbage too. a50 too
so if shos getting mislynched he should atleast not be deprived of his shot to shoot at one of these

[kraska77]

every kraska post hurts me more and more

are you actually maf?

kindly f off

[kraska77]

Doesn't change the fact that this is what you did and this is why I couldn't wrap my head around notchara's reads on you and vedith being polar

the string of posts in my iso , starting with me asking chara to explain their reads on vedith and nos, and ending with this post ^ should make it clear why i found notchara's early reads dubious, moi, and why i dropped my read on them

[kraska77]

bc they didnt explain them before i asked

[kraska77]

what are you even talking about...
you asked me why i thought nc was scum and why i later dropped the read
i said i asked them to explain the reads i found dubious
and then didnt feel they were scum anymore

like...what's your issue with any of this

[kraska77]

Way back around 698 people asked you about your claimed Not Chara read. You ignored all those requests as I pointed out above. You giving a fluff "I found her early reads dubious" on this page doesn't explain away why you ignored multiple requests back then.

My issue with the way you is that I think you aren't actually scum-hunting but fabricating fluff reads

it's not a fluff read
and when notchara agrees with me that theres no reason to tr nos after my questioning, that only proves that my doubts were in place

so what if i ignored earlier requests? i wasnt gonna bother explaining shit to pisskop at the time bc it didnt look like he was reading any of my posts anyway

[kraska77]

608 <- First mention of shadow as scum
934 <- shos joins nos wagon

you are literally the worst scum I've played with in awhile. Trying to act as if you influence my thoughts when they predate you by 6 days real life time.

It's like your mind is a void.

what's your read on realeo now?

[kraska77]

not voting shos or pere
if we cant consolidate on an alternative i'd rather we no strand
otherwise i'll vote nos

[kraska77]

This game is frustrating ='(

[kraska77]

Not like anyone will listen to me but I think a50 should be shot...

[kraska77]

Where are u emu
Come fite me

[kraska77]

I feel you've done a lot of 180s throughout this day, a50
And your town meta on me was blatant bs. Did u forget you were one of the people who called me aggressive in that game? I feel like you've done your best to paint me and shos in a bad light or handwave our posts as nonsense. Which is exactly what you did to be that game especially when I was trying to get mirhawk lynched

[kraska77]

To me*

[kraska77]

I feel you've done a lot of 180s throughout this day, a50
And your town meta on me was blatant bs. Did u forget you were one of the people who called me aggressive in that game? I feel like you've done your best to paint me and shos in a bad light or handwave our posts as nonsense. Which is exactly what you did to be that game especially when I was trying to get mirhawk lynched

Perhaps I need to read some of your town games. Your play style is scummy to me by default it seems.

So who are your real scumreads
You seem to start every sentence directed at me and shos with "If you're town here"
Why is shos scum to you again? Feels like your scumreads conveniently popped up to cater to the gamestate
What do you think of nos and not chara

[kraska77]

I'm tired of being lynched in my games but it's not helpful when the people scumreading me are almost intentionally idiotic in their arguments.

What do u think of not chara
They backtracked on their vacuous initial tr on you

[kraska77]

I feel you've done a lot of 180s throughout this day, a50
And your town meta on me was blatant bs. Did u forget you were one of the people who called me aggressive in that game? I feel like you've done your best to paint me and shos in a bad light or handwave our posts as nonsense. Which is exactly what you did to be that game especially when I was trying to get mirhawk lynched

Perhaps I need to read some of your town games. Your play style is scummy to me by default it seems.

So who are your real scumreads
You seem to start every sentence directed at me and shos with "If you're town here"
Why is shos scum to you again? Feels like your scumreads conveniently popped up to cater to the gamestate
What do you think of nos and not chara

My scum reads are well documented in this very thread. I keep saying "IF you're town" bc if you're scum the whole response is meaningless. Like, "If you're scum then your goon p needs to shoot at me to get your kill" doesn't really need me to point out. Only if you're town and playing this bad would it ever matter.

P.S. I'm NOT calling your play bad bc you scum read me, nor even bc you intend to shoot at me. I'm calling it flat out bad bc you stated this intention on air that IF YOU'RE TOWN scum could very well make use of it. Now IF YOU'RE SCUM then I'm not even interested in why you thought this was a good idea, and I'm not about to give you advice on how to win against the town.

Why shos is scum to me "again" readily implies you KNOW I did explain it at least once before. The game isn't that large and I sure am not a hyper-active poster, so I guess you just need to ISO me for the answer to that one. The same goes for my Nos & NC reads, but (bc I'm not sure if I did post a full read list) I don't mind stating here and now that I have 6 "Town" reads in: MoI - pk - PV - Not Chara - Realeo - Nos

The other 6 are not necessarily "scum reads" per se, since we already know there are only 3 (and precisely 3) scum in this setup, so I'd put you & shos in the scum pile and the other 4 in the null-uncertain pile.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[kraska77]

I hate this game

[kraska77]

A50...if ure town
And u got a mod confirm rn that me and shos are town
Who's in your new scum list?

[kraska77]

I mean if ure going to shoot and it's not at me or shos then who would you shoot at

[kraska77]

I'm definitely shooting one of these tonight:
Almost50, Not Chara, MagnaofIllusion, Nosferatu

Everyone else feels town


Pedit: VOTE: nosferatu

[kraska77]

X_X
I'm going to pretend this game never happened
Also I need to stop quickly writing off players like reelo as insane town

[kraska77]

I bet this was a case of scum manipulating town by being the loudest. If we followed pv's plan there would have at most been 3 town dead and that's only if all 3 happened to be shooters

So Moi, lane, pk is my guess

Under shos' plan, that will be 6 town deaths since shos aligned me being shot by Vedith.

Where the hell did you get that number from?

[kraska77]

I bet this was a case of scum manipulating town by being the loudest. If we followed pv's plan there would have at most been 3 town dead and that's only if all 3 happened to be shooters

So Moi, lane, pk is my guess

Under shos' plan, that will be 6 town deaths since shos aligned me being shot by Vedith.

Where the hell did you get that number from?

Since Vedith and I are aligned, I and Vedith can shoot a pair. Reverse it, 4 death. You are going to strand the stranded. 6 deaths.

It's only a matter of 6 deaths in 3 days or 6 deaths in 1 day. Take your pick.

......
..........I'm not gonna bother