Mini 1826: The Purge - Game Over

[Realeo]

BTW. How many of you soft V/LA during weekend? This may explains the lack of activity.

[Persivul]

@MOD we need serious clarification regarding the lynch/strand methodology.

1. There are no traditional lynches in this game, only stranding.
2. Upon a majority vote, phase ends and the player voted is stranded.
3. If no majority vote by phase end, the player with the highest number of votes is stranded.
4. There is no difference between stranded per 2 above, and stranded per 3 above. They're the same thing.
5. The player stranded is NOT flipped upon stranding. Flips only occur upon death.
6. The stranded player cannot barricade that night.
7. The stranded player cannot kill that night, UNLESS they are the current mafia strongman.
8. If the stranded player is not killed that night, they resume play as usual with all role abilities restored.

Ask if you have more questions, unusual mechanics are in play and I expect some confusion.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE: so shadow is probably right, and I'm the idiot. There is no lynching I'm assuming. Everything is stranded. We're voting to strand people so they can't use their ability. I got messed up by that last line. Basically, "lynch" is not a thing in this game.

That's correct.

Yeah but they aren't lynched. They're stranded. So it's not interchangeable

Sorry if the wording was confusing.

There are no traditional lynches in this game.

[Nosferatu]

So I'm not going to say I told you so,


But I told you so.

[Persivul]

WE CAN LYNCH TODAY. AND EVERYDAY

No, there are no lynches in this game. The player voted - whether by majority or plurality - is only stranded. Someone still needs to shoot that person at night in order to kill them.

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.3

shos (1) - nosferatu
kuroi (1) - magna
epod (1) - almost
lane (1) - kraska
vedith (1) - shadow
realeo (4) - pisskop, kuroi, shos, vedith

Not voting (4) - PeregrineV, Epod~lady, Realeo, lane

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to strand.

(expired on 2016-09-10 06:30:00) remain until day end

[Persivul]

The rules were edited to remove the "interchangeable" line as that was causing confusion.

Again, there is no lynching, only stranding. This is an intentional part of the setup which adds a layer of delicious wifom. Enjoy...

[Almost50]

The real tryhard here is lane
More votes on lane pls

That might be the case, but I've seen him play like this as town, so I'm undecided. Actually, he's got a point on shos.

I also agree with lane that low content isn't helping anyone but scum getting along with the rest of us.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: so shadow is probably right, and I'm the idiot. There is no lynching I'm assuming. Everything is stranded. We're voting to strand people so they can't use their ability. I got messed up by that last line. Basically, "lynch" is not a thing in this game.

Mate, I'll give it to you straight: An idiot you are NOT, but you're very good at playing dumb. that's why I'm confused about you. Usually someone playing like this would get a town lean read from me this early in the game, but -knowing you- I'm not at all sure if it's genuine or intentional.

The problem with this game is we have players who are very well capable of playing exactly the same as either alignment. lane, (PV), Kuroi, Nos & PK. There are others whom I have not played with as one alignment (Vedith, shaddowez, MoI & kraska), so I've got to do with what I have and then go doubt every conclusion I reach!!

[Almost50]

TBH, I don't even get why realeo has 4 votes on him (i.e. the leading wagon). For one thing, you don't lynch the most active player on D1 when the game is suffering from low activity. For another, I don't see much of a case on him.

Gun to my head and forced to vote now it'd probably be shos. Then again, PV has yet to post ONCE!

[Almost50]

You know what? I'm down to lynching PV (0 posts), shaddow (2 posts) or Epod (4 posts). At least let's pressure them into posting more and providing some content.

VOTE: PV

This feels like a deja vu, and I hope it's the right dream, not the "I'm the town doctor" one (<< this last bit is @kraska).

[Realeo]

Statistically speaking, this implies that we only need to strand when mafia are 3 people, right?

I mean, if we strand a goon, mafia is down from 2 kills -> 1.

But with 2 mafiosos and 1 mafia, mafia kill will only stay as 1 kill. Stranding can't damage scum.

[kraska77]

Lol
Pv's profile says last online on 25th
Don't think he even picked up his role pm yet

[kraska77]

Tentative townreads so far: realeo and shos

I think if shos were scum and trying to fake townships, he would have done so in more moderation. He kept getting one thing wrong abt the setup after the other and the thing he said about confirming the wrong role was unprovoked and looked incredibly scummy, I don't think he would have said that if he were scum. Also mod was afk for a while iirc, so mod not correcting his conf is believable

Lane's jump on shos looks shitty. And the "don't steal my line of thought" thing shows he's concerned with being credited for calling out on realeo first which is also shitty
And the vote on shadow is super shitty. It was weekend and deadline is 11 days away idk what he's making a big deal about

[kraska77]

"Dont steal my line of questioning"*

[Realeo]

He kept getting one thing wrong abt the setup after the other and the thing he said about confirming the wrong role was unprovoked and looked incredibly scummy, I don't think he would have said that if he were scum.

Also mod was afk for a while iirc, so mod not correcting his conf is believable

To be honest, I won a lot of EpicMafia's game shos' way, which is why I mentioned dumbtelling. But the underlined thingy is potentially true.

[shos]

That thing about lane is correct, I didnt think about it. When youbare town and someone continues your train of thoughts you nod and say "YESZ". You dont attack the one agreeing with you.

Anyway, realeo, you are wrong because even if scum have only 1 strongman shot, the othrr kill can damage non-barricading town.

Generally, again, we must doscuss the setup because it is to our best. Everyone must understand that the only way we have to harm scum is by nightkilling them. We cannot all use our barricade.
If we all shoot, we have good chances of hitting some scum. But we may also lose at least 3 townies.

Since we are guaranteed 2 deaths at least if we do so, we shouldnt all barricade,but also shouldnt tell who is and who isnt. In my opinion, after d1 we still have no idea about flips, so only shoot if you have a reallly good scumread. Then later we will reveal ithose who barricaded before those who took shots and see what we can gather. We also must remember to try and avoid the masons...

[Almost50]

Lane's jump on shos looks shitty. And the "don't steal my line of thought" thing shows he's concerned with being credited for calling out on realeo first which is also shitty

I have no qualms with your line of thoughts, except for this bit. lane is concerned with being credited for calling our realeo first does not go with you having a town read on realeo. If realeo IS town, the last thing scum!lane wants to do is to be their main wagon leader. I could see this if you had a scum read on realeo yourself (it's called bussing for town cred), but not with scum!lane and town!realeo.

[shos]

I disagree. Being a town leader on a mislynch does not earn you scum points imo. Much more scumpoints are goven for 'agreeing and sheeping' someone else who leads a mislynch.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Back from V/LA …

I don’t know what to make of Shos’ multiple gaffes of understanding. I can understand the occasional (even reading the rules twice I missed that normal lynches were still Strands) but his complete mis-read on his role PM reminds me of Kuroi’s repeated gaffes in Science UPick (which Shos was a part of) about no clearly understanding the set-up.

@Shos

– since no-one bit on your “I have Kuroi scum meta” what does that say to you in general and about Kuroi specifically?

I dislike Almost’s 135 as he states he doesn’t want to strand Peregrine (and explained further at 139) but then votes him in 185. There is a disconnect there and given Peregrine likely flaking means lurker hunting within the first 72 hours a game is open is suspect.

I’m also considering voting for Nosferatu. His explanation of why he isn’t voting the player with supposedly actively scummy play over someone who just “triggers” him more is suspect.

VOTE: Pisskop

Clinging onto “It’s RVS you can’t suspect me” in 72 is scummy enough on its own to warrant a serious vote but the rest of his post don’t dissuade me that Stranding him is a good play.

On policy I’d also like to strand kraska for repeated use of the phrase “tryhard” which is so inane it hurts my brain to have to read it.

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If majority consolidates on a vigging pool of 2 or sth before each day ends then we're good I guess?

Not necessarily.

First the scum back-ups are free to shoot if they aren’t in the pool meaning scum can probably score multiple easy kills with too much in thread coordination. The only Town players who have freedom to coordinate are the Masons.

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Statistically speaking, this implies that we only need to strand when mafia are 3 people, right?

I mean, if we strand a goon, mafia is down from 2 kills -> 1.

But with 2 mafiosos and 1 mafia, mafia kill will only stay as 1 kill. Stranding can't damage scum.

No. Stranding a goon only means that they can’t absolutely get two kills a Night. The other Goon choosing to shoot at someone committed to Vigging also means they net a kill.

Which reinforces that while no open communication is suboptimal for Town it is less suboptimal than laying out a plan openly that allows scum to exploit known Town Viggers.

[pisskop]

Ewww, moron godzilla cant logic.

I was pointing out that RVS doesnt end the moment 1 person makes a serious vote

[pisskop]

VOTE: Godzilla

[pisskop]

I cant play a whoel game with somebody who cant make a real case and has to wedge it in between nit picks at other players. What a shitball tactic to mask his poor abilities.

[kraska77]

Lol

[Nosferatu]

moi why would you use a double negative smh you could've just had one positive

the fuck is this "don't dissuade" shit