Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

[farside22]

vote: eagersnake

Damn mid no pm saying day started??
Bad mod.
I think the wagon is Nai considering what was said in the queue.
Snakes reaction was interesting.

[farside22]

farside also, I remember you. Did you play in #mafia?

Not that I recall.

[farside22]

eagersnake's posting comes off really stiff tbh. I can't tell if the "reasoning" in 7 is serious or a joke and the "oh noes" just feels rlly forced

I can't tell if you're serious or just RVS bantering.

But I am wondering why aren't you voting me. That seems like a really good reason to vote someone, especially on page one.

Thanks you, much better.

Vote: Parama

Also I would have been more thrilled if you weren't a hypicrite.
Also we played greatest game mafia recently.
That movie madness is so old I felt my hair turn grey thinking about it.

[farside22]

OH farside went from voting eager for a weak basis to sheeping his logic against me (that he himself didn't consider worth a vote, mind you, while also calling out literally the same exact thing?)
is that why farside is calling him a hypocrite
is that why you're bloodthirsty grey

p-edit: eager i only read like the first pages of the games tbh but that explains things a little, alright

That's it in a nutshell.
I don't care he didn't find it vote worthy.

[farside22]

alright, so you don't care he did the same thing you're taking issue with me doing?

Yes.
Do you want to know why?

[farside22]

why are you asking when you already know the answer.

Well I'm curious more about your thought process on the situation.
Do you think eager post us in the same as far as style goes? Do you think there is a comparison other then he just did the same thing?

See what I saw was you read fence sitting in the post, where frankly he reads as foot in mouth.

Do you think GreyICE noticed?

[farside22]

Don't tunnel till day 2, take it from a known tunneler.

[farside22]

eagersnake's posting comes off really stiff tbh. I can't tell if the "reasoning" in 7 is serious or a joke and the "oh noes" just feels rlly forced

eagersnake's posting comes off really stiff tbh. I can't tell if the "reasoning" in 7 is serious or a joke and the "oh noes" just feels rlly forced

I can't tell if you're serious or just RVS bantering.

But I am wondering why aren't you voting me. That seems like a really good reason to vote someone, especially on page one.

@Parama I'm bringing the 2 quotes to compare with.
You start with the forced comment then fence sitting with is it this or that, but not questioning it.
Where eager comes off more bantering to your xomment.
I was calling him a hypocrite for not voting you, while saying he says it seems like a good reason to vote.

I also noticed you've dodged 2 questions so far.
You going to respond any time soon?

Don't tunnel till day 2, take it from a known tunneler.

If I know someone is scum, why not tunnel them?

Unless you got a magic day cop ability don't do it.
Day 1 and n1 has way more info to get things noted.
Tunneling day 1 from the confession of a known tunneller.

You yell, you scream, you have players ignore your insistence. The players grow stubborn and you bang your head till you lose it to one and all.
At some point if your lucky some finally follow, just to turn out you were wrong and get blamed for the lynch.


quote="In post 74, kraska77"]Cakeboy and snake are town...I think
Farfar maybe town
Parama maybe scum[/quote]

Explain the Cakey read because all I got was Nai.
Sc: did you look at the meta links?

[farside22]

You say that, yet you're not voting Kuribo.

it's because he doesn't believe it, he's just trying to draw me into a shouting match so he can get a read on me

You sure?

why are you asking when you already know the answer.

Well I'm curious more about your thought process on the situation.
Do you think eager post us in the same as far as style goes? Do you think there is a comparison other then he just did the same thing?

See what I saw was you read fence sitting in the post, where frankly he reads as foot in mouth.

Do you think GreyICE noticed?

There's 2 questions I asked in what you quoted.
Also hypocrisy is negative but sadly not a scum tell.
Just a peeve of mine.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

[farside22]

Explain the Cakey read because all I got was Nai.

A snake vote is like the worst vote scum can make rn

No.
There is much worse.

[farside22]

Like?

Voting Kubio for Lalalalalalalala purposes.
Eager is like an easy target to vote.

[farside22]

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

I asked you the point of responding and why, nice dodge.
Also that's not yelling, you like to exaggerate things typically?

[farside22]

@Parama I'm bringing the 2 quotes to compare with.
You start with the forced comment then fence sitting with is it this or that, but not questioning it.
Where eager comes off more bantering to your xomment.
I was calling him a hypocrite for not voting you, while saying he says it seems like a good reason to vote.

>forced comment
subjective and untrue

>fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

>eager comes off more bantering to your comment
i don't understand what this sentence means ????

also, you're calling him a hypocrite like it's a good thing? do you understand hypocrite is a word with inherently negative connotations?

also, what two questions. please point out which questions you want me to respond to if you think i dodged them. you can't accuse me of dodging questions when you don't tell me what questions i'm supposedly dodging.

because i'm a nice guy though i'm going to dig for the questions myself.

Do you think GreyICE noticed?

I said the post was fence siting and Parama asking if
what the hell kind of question is this. i literally don't understand the question. this is why i did not respond before.

i can't find a second question. from you or anyone else in the thread, even. i try to do you a favor and you lied to me. you lied to me farside. why.

Also for anyone who read this the only question I didn't respond to was the second question, which is pretty much just painting a scum question.
Asking if the comment was in earnest, basically he wants a get out of jail card for free.
All that is what he just complained out what I missed.
While he didn't respond to a single question I've asked yet.
It's the I'm going to ask questions with your question scum move.

Like?

Voting Kubio for Lalalalalalalala purposes.
Eager is like an easy target to vote.

Why is kuribo the worst place to vote o.0
Like
Does anyone even have an appreciable read on him rn? How is voting him any different than voting me or whoever else for lalala reasons
Snake is being townread and there's consensus that his shiftiness doesn't mean anything, cake waltzing in with an opportunistic looking vote on snake right after this looks like town

And I'm probably wrong on Parama x.x

LOooo at it this way, why is voting someone that is a town read a town thing to do? That means he disagrees or he's scum making an easy vote to sit on.
That's why I say NAI.
Kurbio is worse because there is votes on him, he doesn't care and that's an easy thing to jump on.

[farside22]

"maybe it's playstyle"

Maybe it's Maybelline!

I see that, but I also have liked his posts this far.

Which ones?

I don't feel like a post breakdown is warranted at this point, but the only way I can see Parama as scum right now is if he is either partners with Eager or awkwardly whiteknighting him, and I don't think either is likely. Like, I don't see scum making the withdrawal based on his Town Isos like he did.

It's also obvious hes not trying to prove he's town, but trying to find answers, as his posts go on. This looks really good on Parama and I give townpoints for it.

I can't say I'm hot for the Farside vote, but I don't scumread him for it either as I can see the progression that got him there.

Can you explain that progression?

Explain the Cakey read because all I got was Nai.

A snake vote is like the worst vote scum can make rn

No.
There is much worse.

For instance you could self vote.

That'd probably draw way too much attention~

That's pretty anti town to do.
Are you trying to just get a reaction? I have you kind of on ignore till you feel like doing more the running around with a pitchfork and Fire.

only if you promise to NK me tonight if you're scum

and only because farside prematurely put a halt on the Eager wagon by declaring it an easy target before it could even go anywhere

like, no shit it's an easy target, thats why you don't derail it until you see who tries to push it

I don't do those things, sorry.

Also ckd is on my scum list and I glazed through reading the rest of this page.

[farside22]

@aristo to be fair, i never had a "stance" on eager to withdraw in the first place. i was just voicing a thought or two about his play. for what it's worth, i don't have a particularly strong read either way right now but how easily everyone is writing him off as town is setting off flags. and i really don't like him continuing to purse the whole omgus thing even after like three people screamed at him that it was literally jsut basic frickin math. and the constant self-referencing of tunneling almost starts to sound like an excuse for bad play after a while.

omg. i'm convincing myself of an eager scumread again, even looking past all the clunkiness of his posts. i like 102 though.

actually really worried about greyice in this game tbh. it's in-character for him to say very little about why someone is scum but i haven't heard a peep about either kuribo or farside and the "help me lynch farside and i won't lynch you" thing is just incredibly skeevy

also thanks kuribo i was wondering if i was the only one who couldn't make a lick of sense of farside's posts but it's a shame you seem to have lost mine in translation as well, they're pretty boss posts

That reads pretty fake.
Ooooooo I'm so paranoid.
*shakes in boots*

Oh wait you is on the wagon, you is playing ball~

Okay then. Her posts are like... tale, told by an idiot. Not a line of them contains any insight. Cardboard tiger posts. Total shit this is faking the appearance of real thought.

You high bro?

[farside22]

LOooo at it this way, why is voting someone that is a town read a town thing to do? That means he disagrees or he's scum making an easy vote to sit on.
That's why I say NAI

Uhh not really. My point

is

that that's not an easy vote to sit on

Kurbio is worse because there is votes on him, he doesn't care and that's an easy thing to jump on.

but that was right-off-the-bat-rvs
the two situations don't really compare

Yet he is sitting on it and you labeled it town.
Meh I'll give you the second one.

So I quote the post Parama asked his questions.
Do you think 1) those are valid question that give alignment info 2) make sense.
The first one I don't see his issue since the sum of it is he make a fence sitting comment and what I say was eager making a tongue in-cheek comment back with the fence post from Parama.
I just think it looks like he's feeling silly, so I used the word bantering.

And yeah this looks like usual stubborn/nitpicky/whatever farside to me
Don't know what this greyice person is on about

I'm not nitpicky. I just noticed things differently.
My expectation of other players is there attention span is that of a gnat.

[farside22]

VOTE COUNT

Aristophanes (1): curiouskarmadog
eagerSnake (1): SirCakez
farside22 (2): GreyICE, Parama
kuribo (1): eagerSnake
Parama (4): farside22, kraska77, Gear, Untrod Tripod
Not voting (4): kuribo, RachMarie, SnarkySnowman, Aristophanes

With

13

players voting, it takes

7

votes to lynch a player.

Day 1 end in (expired on 2016-10-10 13:18:51).

Damn mid no pm

saying day started??
Bad mod.

Sorry :$ Would you like start-of-day PMs for future days?

Yes please.
I might forget to check otherwise.

[farside22]

Can I proxy my vote to someone for D1?

Not it.

I see we're doing that thing that I see in every game with farside where she gets into a big wallposting match with someone on D1

isn't that fun

I'll work on that.

kraska, why do you think that you're wrong about Parama?

Post 90...
I know this is pretty weak but he sounds like he genuinely believes he's misunderstood

The one with the bad questions.

And Parama continues with dodging.
Fun.

[farside22]

you misunderstand.
I don't particularly care if farside answers all my questions.
I do however care when she demands of me to do it then doesn't do the same in return. cause that's hypocrisy.

I did respond to your questions.

Ckd: I'm reading from 1 page to the next. It's just easier from me to do via phone.
The questions I asked where here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8365425
If you look post 90 post
He clearly saw one question at the end but not the other 2 I asked in the same post.
That is also were he asked his question.
Which I responded to and he keeps acting like I didnt.
Which I responded http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8365641 that post.

[farside22]

you misunderstand.
I don't particularly care if farside answers all my questions.
I do however care when she demands of me to do it then doesn't do the same in return. cause that's hypocrisy.

I did respond to your questions.

Ckd: I'm reading from 1 page to the next. It's just easier from me to do via phone.
The questions I asked where here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8365425
If you look post 90 post
He clearly saw one question at the end but not the other 2 I asked in the same post.
That is also were he asked his question.
Which I responded to and he keeps acting like I didnt.
Which I responded http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8365641 that post.

okay...and the rest of my post?

The scum read?
Felt like you were buddying me in the beginning and the unvote felt awkward.

[farside22]

For those not reading link or low attention spans, these are the question pamara is going all bitchy about.

fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

>eager comes off more bantering to your comment
i don't understand what this sentence means ????

also, you're calling him a hypocrite like it's a good thing? do you understand hypocrite is a word with inherently negative connotations?

If anyone wants to explain the first 2 questions and how that is alignment indicative questions, I'm all ears.

[farside22]

Okay we're going to settle this now as it's just going in circles.

Parama, do you think farside22 is scum? If so, why?

Farside22, do you think parama is scum? If so, why?

Yes.
He's has made a lot of mountains out of molehill.
The whole point he has so far is just to argue. Not trying to figure alignment out at all.

[farside22]

If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

[farside22]

If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

also this still looks like theater.

If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

Circle Jerking.
I love it! XD

and this still looks like he is trying to make friends.


god this game...(uh oh Cakez, I am asking for advice on my vote again).

Theater?

Oookayyy not sure how else to explain it.
How would you explain someone that ask question that are meaniless development and never responding to your question, just to ask more meaniless drivel questions.

Don't disagree with your cakez read.

[farside22]

Development = drivel

[farside22]

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

[farside22]

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

Actually I asked questions that just get ignored, hence my comment.

[farside22]

"SvS" or "TvS" wat

Scum vs scum
Town vs scum.

@RachMarie: Don't worry, I'm not scum this game, like I was when I played with you in Horoscopes. So don't bring your "last-game-together-he-fooled-me" bias in here, it'd be a waste of your time

jeeeesus christ this is going to be a bloody long game

VOTE: farside22

the hell is this about.
i'm not letting you get away with an unsubstantiated vote, even if it's on scum

omg the [wifom] posts are kklnngg krrggc ooaahnn aaahghg kill me
@mod can i have a freakin dayvig please

Town {Cakez, GreyICE, UT}
~~
Scumlean {eagerSnake}
Scum {farside, Parama}

Where I'm at atm

this says to me that either 1. you haven't read the game thread at all or 2. you have, but don't actually care about processing any of it.

now then.
why am i scum.
why is farside scum.
do you think we are scum together.

the three key questions that i expect a solid response to, in your own words.
i'd legitimately believe that you just looked at the votecount and put the two top wagons in the scumpile without giving an ounce of thought. i'm pretty sure that's actually what happened. i'd love to see proof otherwise, though.

I think both farfar and Parama are town ^_^
Gimme ur vote(and soul) snake

I've made up my mind that it's not TvT so good luck convincing me otherwise

making the assumption that you think farside is the scum between us. substantiate it.

& you're not getting my vote because I don't hard TR you and disagree with your read on that interaction

These are both giving me bad vibes. The first looks like a shitty distancing attempt and the second looks like scum throwing out a line hoping to get vote advice.
CKD prob scum

first: i literally do not see this at all and completely disagree.
second: i literally do not see this at all and don't even understand the argument being made. i know what you're getting at but i have no clue how it relates at all to that post.

Circle Jerking.
I love it! XD

and this still looks like he is trying to make friends.

yeah, i'll definitely give you this one, 192 rubbed me the wrong way but i can't put my finger on why.
why was this post made?

But, if I think you're town, how could making you a pseudo-DV be a bad thing?

Because you're absolving yourself of responsibility for your actions

See this shit. This shit is scumfuck. Like "responsibility for your actions"? What the fuck does that mean? Remember my old signature - "Victory requires no explanation, defeat allows none"? Town fucking Kuribo would take a double vote any day of the week and use it to ram more pain down the neckhole of any scumfuck dumb enough to fuck with him. This is some pussy ass terrified Kuribo who wants Eager Snake to be responsible for who we lynch today. I don't give a flying fuck if DrMyShotty gets credit for today's lynch, I want a fucking scumlynch, and you want to diddle yourself over whose responsible for a mislynched.

Fucking die in a fire you scumfuck

your logic starts with "kuribo is scum" and uses that to come to the conclusion that "kuribo is scum".
if you don't start with that assumption, kuribo's post is totally freakin' sensible and pretty spot-on.

i'm breaking this post here because i'm already starting to give myself quote stripe sickness

I'd pay someone to tell me the complete Wtf is this shit.
Between calling me scum, then calling eager out for voting me.

Again I responded to Parama questions and he continues to dodge mine.

[farside22]

Is there a subtle hint button I'm missing?

[farside22]

why are you asking when you already know the answer.

Well I'm curious more about your thought process on the situation.
Do you think eager post us in the same as far as style goes? Do you think there is a comparison other then he just did the same thing?

See what I saw was you read fence sitting in the post, where frankly he reads as foot in mouth.

Do you think GreyICE noticed?

3 fucking tomes I point to this.
Stop fucking acting like it doesn't exist.

[farside22]

Hint?

I keep saying things and I get this impression no one cares.
Or they put the back and forth between me and Parama on ignore.

[farside22]

Snake betch of you end up voting on a mislynch today, you're giving me ur vote tom

If I'm voting on a mislynch today then I'm going to have to reasses everything so I don't feel comfortable making this promise

Why are you scum reading me over parama?

[farside22]

Why are you scum reading me over parama?

I don't really have any good reasons except that I can't understand most of your posts (not sure if this is typical of you, and it likely applies to myself), I thought you were lying about the ignore thing when GreyICE said what he said (I lynch all liars), and it's a 50/50 between you 2 (in my head).

P.S. don't let these bad reasons drown out any actual good reasons there may be

Lots of people tell me they don't understand me.
Not sure how my point is unclear tbh.

[farside22]

See what I saw was you read fence sitting in the post

in what context is pointing out a thing i didn't like but had reason to not vote for (see: follow-up post) fence-sitting?
if they are completely different things given context (like you're claiming) then why did you call eager a hypocrite anyways?

this is a response to the first two questions.

what i read: rhetorical questions that implied you thought the context surrounding eager's post was different than mine.
which you confirmed by following up that you thought i was fence-sitting and he was just foot-in-mouth.
it should be clear that i did not find the context different enough to make a difference.
but that you called him a hypocrite makes it seem like you also didn't find the context different enough.

i know you've explained it like five times but i still have no bloody clue what the greyice question is asking.

My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

like seriously, what is this? i'd love to answer your question, but i just have no clue what it is.

for the record: you literally just dodged my question, again.

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

again,

Parama, do you think farside22 is scum? If so, why?

yes. she's guilty of practically everything she's accusing me of

i could probably continue to argue with you using quotes of stuff i've already said in-thread, because kraska is pretty on point that you're just repeating the same stuff over and over, why even bother with the pretense.

let's have a quote-off farside. i'm ready.

Thank you for clarifying that you were not trying to figure anyone out.

You can keep saying I missed questions but when you dodged mine 3x and then act like they were pointless I'm just going to go Lalalalalalalala.
Since your question were just to say hey why can't I look town instead of scum.
I'm not helping you be town read.
Thanks scum.

[farside22]

And of course the I'm going to ask a question to awnser a question scum response is not really responding to the question.

[farside22]

Town: kraska, eager
Moved town town lean: ckd

Scum: ari, sc, Parama

[farside22]

so, again, for the record:

you are going to dodge my question.

Which question did I dodge?
The one where I asked you to give your view on greyice and you act like it's unclear or the question about alignment indicative?

Or what's alignment indindicative?
How is either of these questions alignment indicative?

f>quote]fnce sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????
[/quote]
Like the last thing is just unclear completely.

HEY FARSIDE EXPLAIN THE FUCKING LYING

I have no clue what your even talking about.

[farside22]

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

Actually I asked questions that just get ignored, hence my comment.

[farside22]

Greyice: why are you being so bad at this game?
I literally just quoted what was said and your still on this rant.
Is this personal or something? If it is, let me know.

[farside22]

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

you literally cannot dismiss questions as not alignment indicative until you answer this question. which you just dismissed as not alignment indicative.
basically: you are spewing bs in order to avoid having to answer anything, but get pissy when i don't respond to one of your questions.
what if; i think your question about greyice isn't alignment indicative? what does that mean? i have no bloody clue either ahaha but i can use it an excuse now because you won't explain your own excuse, so why the hell should i?

Again I did awnser your questions.
Acting like I didnt over and over again doesn't change that factI also explained how one question was just so you could say hey I look town, why don't you see it type question.

I'll just keep requiring this over and over if your going to just repeat yourself.

[farside22]

Didn't her post literally way she was going to put whoever on ignore but then found them already there?
Implying she found out that ignoring has no effect on the posts she sees in games

Pedit: who was it Who said ure Zen?

I said I was putting grey on ignore till she did something other the her lynch scum over and over.

[farside22]

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

Actually I asked questions that just get ignored, hence my comment.

This is total fucking BS and makes literally zero sense in context of your post.

You have an ignore button because you are tired of your questions that are getting ignored?

That's the lamest explanation in the history of lame duck bullshit explanations.

The context your reading that is wrong.
Im saying there seems to be an ignore button with my name on it.
Ie: I feel players are just ignoring my points. My post in general, Yada, Yada, yada.

[farside22]

You say that, yet you're not voting Kuribo.

it's because he doesn't believe it, he's just trying to draw me into a shouting match so he can get a read on me

You sure?

why are you asking when you already know the answer.

Well I'm curious more about your thought process on the situation.
Do you think eager post us in the same as far as style goes? Do you think there is a comparison other then he just did the same thing?

See what I saw was you read fence sitting in the post, where frankly he reads as foot in mouth.

Do you think GreyICE noticed?

There's 2 questions I asked in what you quoted.
Also hypocrisy is negative but sadly not a scum tell.
Just a peeve of mine.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

@Parama I'm bringing the 2 quotes to compare with.
You start with the forced comment then fence sitting with is it this or that, but not questioning it.
Where eager comes off more bantering to your xomment.
I was calling him a hypocrite for not voting you, while saying he says it seems like a good reason to vote.

>forced comment
subjective and untrue

>fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

>eager comes off more bantering to your comment
i don't understand what this sentence means ????

also, you're calling him a hypocrite like it's a good thing? do you understand hypocrite is a word with inherently negative connotations?

also, what two questions. please point out which questions you want me to respond to if you think i dodged them. you can't accuse me of dodging questions when you don't tell me what questions i'm supposedly dodging.

because i'm a nice guy though i'm going to dig for the questions myself.

Do you think GreyICE noticed?

I said the post was fence siting and Parama asking if
what the hell kind of question is this. i literally don't understand the question. this is why i did not respond before.

i can't find a second question. from you or anyone else in the thread, even. i try to do you a favor and you lied to me. you lied to me farside. why.

Also for anyone who read this the only question I didn't respond to was the second question, which is pretty much just painting a scum question.
Asking if the comment was in earnest, basically he wants a get out of jail card for free.
All that is what he just complained out what I missed.
While he didn't respond to a single question I've asked yet.
It's the I'm going to ask questions with your question scum move.

Like?

Voting Kubio for Lalalalalalalala purposes.
Eager is like an easy target to vote.

Why is kuribo the worst place to vote o.0
Like
Does anyone even have an appreciable read on him rn? How is voting him any different than voting me or whoever else for lalala reasons
Snake is being townread and there's consensus that his shiftiness doesn't mean anything, cake waltzing in with an opportunistic looking vote on snake right after this looks like town

And I'm probably wrong on Parama x.x

LOooo at it this way, why is voting someone that is a town read a town thing to do? That means he disagrees or he's scum making an easy vote to sit on.
That's why I say NAI.
Kurbio is worse because there is votes on him, he doesn't care and that's an easy thing to jump on.

LOooo at it this way, why is voting someone that is a town read a town thing to do? That means he disagrees or he's scum making an easy vote to sit on.
That's why I say NAI

Uhh not really. My point

is

that that's not an easy vote to sit on

Kurbio is worse because there is votes on him, he doesn't care and that's an easy thing to jump on.

but that was right-off-the-bat-rvs
the two situations don't really compare

Yet he is sitting on it and you labeled it town.
Meh I'll give you the second one.

So I quote the post Parama asked his questions.
Do you think 1) those are valid question that give alignment info 2) make sense.
The first one I don't see his issue since the sum of it is he make a fence sitting comment and what I say was eager making a tongue in-cheek comment back with the fence post from Parama.
I just think it looks like he's feeling silly, so I used the word bantering.

And yeah this looks like usual stubborn/nitpicky/whatever farside to me
Don't know what this greyice person is on about

I'm not nitpicky. I just noticed things differently.
My expectation of other players is there attention span is that of a gnat.

All your questions for post 90 were respond in the following quotes.

Which question did I miss?

[farside22]

so, again, for the record:

you are going to dodge my question.

Which question did I dodge?
The one where I asked you to give your view on greyice and you act like it's unclear or the question about alignment indicative?

Or what's alignment indindicative?
How is either of these questions alignment indicative?

f>quote]fnce sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

Like the last thing is just unclear completely.

HEY FARSIDE EXPLAIN THE FUCKING LYING

I have no clue what your even talking about.[/quote]

Wow that explanation. Here, lets make this nice and easy.

I solemnly swear to vote Farside at the start of every day, up to and including LyLo.

That's it. She's not town. I assure you absolutely I'm town. So this is going to happen every single day, so every fence sitter out there? Better start thinking hard about how long you want this mess to go unanswered because her posts are poorly formatted, hard to read, and obnoxious. They're all that, sure, but they're also scumposts. Kuribo? I don't care what you think, I don't care what you do, and I have no more time for you, so you don't even matter here. This was for the townies, and that most certainly does not include you.

None of that is alignment indicative.
I just phone post a lot and I'm too lazy to do post preview.
That's nothing new.

[farside22]

Sorry the first quote wasn't supposed to be there

[farside22]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67948&user_select=28013
Here is the town game I keep referring to
Look at eager's ISO
He's voting freely, not really arguing with anyone and just pushing his own agenda, there's none of this semantical bullshit he's arguing here

Yeah...you should let go of that and look at his play here for what it is because he's pretty fucking obvious town and you're digging your own grave here (@far see?)

Yes ma'am

Vote: cakez

[farside22]

Kurbio if you my issues with Parama in a nut she'll.
This:

If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

And this:

Oookayyy not sure how else to explain it.
How would you explain someone that ask question that are meaniless drivel and never responding to your question, just to ask more meaniless drivel questions

.

And the questions he ask that he is having a hissy fit that I missed.

fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

[farside22]

Cakez is pushing a lynch on eager because it's an easy thing to critisize, and the his sudden scum on ckd was after a few other players mention suspicion.
I've seen cakez town game, they are not this bad.

[farside22]

As for the ckd vote from cakez this was all he said.
What was so bad about ckd response?
That's just a vague comment to make. There is just no substance to cakez reasoning, ever.

[farside22]

(This doesn't work for you tho because you think Parama is scum)

Exactly.
As I said earlier I think they are both scum with ari.

[farside22]

Didn't her post literally way she was going to put whoever on ignore but then found them already there?
Implying she found out that ignoring has no effect on the posts she sees in games

Pedit: who was it Who said ure Zen?

I said I was putting grey on ignore till she did something other the her lynch scum over and over.

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

Actually I asked questions that just get ignored, hence my comment.

This is total fucking BS and makes literally zero sense in context of your post.

You have an ignore button because you are tired of your questions that are getting ignored?

That's the lamest explanation in the history of lame duck bullshit explanations.

The context your reading that is wrong.
Im saying there seems to be an ignore button with my name on it.
Ie: I feel players are just ignoring my points. My post in general, Yada, Yada, yada.

Are these two different explanations of the same thing or did I miss something?

They are different explanations.
The first is in response to kraska question.
Which was when I said I was putting someone on ignore.

The second is were grey is saying I'm lying about an ignore button, which was a completely different post.

[farside22]

Why don't you just ignore Ice, kuribo?
farside and Parama should also ignore eachother but they keep dragging shit out
I don't get you guys

I'm not responding to Parama latest shit but I'm sure as hell going to point out why he's scum.

Do I really need to fetch a bunch of quotes that shows cakes hasn't made any decent post that isn't vague?

[farside22]

Nope. You just need to vote him (if you're not already)

Already doing so.

[farside22]

@mod can you sent out a game start pm to rach

would also love to hear more than nothing from snarky as well

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

Someone other than Parma want to tell me the importance of these question.

parama wrote:
fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

Supply put these are the type of question Parama asking that is what I call drivel.

[farside22]

Supply = simply
Sigh

[farside22]

Also him openly taking concern with me is concerning, as its not productive. I'm sure everyone agrees with what he is saying, but they don't point it out because they don't feel the need to, but he's like oh I can point out my concern with this to look townie!

OR how he has a sudden scum read on cakez but finds a reason not to vote him.

[farside22]

So I'm curious. If I had a multishot vig and I shot Farside, Gear, UT, Cakes, Snarky and Kuribo does anyone think they game would still be ongoing? I don't.

Yes.

I laughed at you calling someone tunneled.
That's just hysterical.

[farside22]

Hey Parama eager spammed quotes does that mean he's scum now?

Your scum buddy Parama is busy at this time ranting about some scum read for some fake reason.
Try again later.

Beep

[farside22]

Honestly like Snake? You know how much Cakez spamming quotes at me convinced me you were scum? Yeah that much.

Now come vote farside. We have cookies and scumlynches on that wagon. You have scum on the Cakez wagon and they're making the place all mucky.

I'm not scum.

You can rant and rave and if you want I can just replace out if this is personal.
Let me know.

[farside22]

Farside isn't lynchbait lol
In fact I don't I've ever seen her get lynched

Not true.
Well at least not when I'm town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68163
Scum game.

[farside22]

We've played in tons of games together Farside. When have I ever had a personal beef with you? You calling me a bad player is bullshit because you know for a fact that's not true, but that's just basic scum rhetoric. Pisses me off, but that's the point, ain't it?

You want this to look like a personal beef to the town which is why you're doing this jazz, but it's truly anything but.

You've been ranting way before that.
I mean you are the one that misunderstood my post.
You are the one complaining about my post style, which is not alignment indicative.
Your are the one just spamming the thread with the same thing over and over.
So the way I see it, you either have an issue with me or your scum pushing really weak shit.
I respect you as a player to doubt the later.

[farside22]

Her posts are very vague and hard to read, making it easy as scum to misrepresent her.

Like the above post, [wifom]if I were scum I'd say why are you only bringing up a scum game and not a town game, trying to misdirect us? blah blah blah[/wifom] and the whole ignore button thing also was vague and easy to misrepresent as a lie.

Imagine a very tongue in cheek person in your life and that would describe my posting style.
Sarcasm
Annoyance
Quick post with many interruption.
Fierce
All in a sense of cynicism for other.
Thinking I'm right and above all bitchy.

[farside22]

Sounds like lynchbait

[farside22]

That's a pretty big hit to my ego.

Thanks. :/

[farside22]

1. but in the (10%) scenario where he's just badtown, would you be fine with lynching him?

Is this a real question? I obviously would be hurt if he flipped town, as that bring scum closer to their win-con and me further from mine. Did you really expect a different answer here?

Those are the type of Parama been asking all game.

Drivel.

[farside22]

Plus Parama just trying to save his scum buddy.

[farside22]

I'm literally not reading your questions anymore. You're scum, SirCakez is scum, tunnel, initiated.

If this doesn't sound familiar to other players that read the back and forth between Parmar a and myself.
You can see now, he does it to others.

I'm assuming at this point greyice is claiming scum byou ignoring those facts.

[farside22]

can someone explain to me what farside is trying to say in 493? like? any of it?

Your questions are pointless.
You use those useless questions to help yourself.

Circle jerking a player around, chasing there tail over crap.

You did it once, you did it again.
Players should be aware how awful your points are.

I still never once heard you explain the point of your original questions.
Then you bitch about questions asked to you.

[farside22]

I can see how from a 3rd person POV who is unsure of my alignment you would read it that way, though. Good posting, looking for contradictions.

Still not sure if you were just trying to bait someone who you know is town or not, though, but now that I see you were actually getting somewhere with your questions, I like you a little better.

Actually parama cherry picked 2 post and dint care about the in between.
488 post happened because the question Parama asked was intended to give cakez town and how you feel.
All the questions he asked before that had nothing to do with any issues he had prior.

[farside22]

Hey parama: I'm still waiting for you to explain the point of these questions.

fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

Ut: town lean
Kraska town
Rach: null

[farside22]

you said he could either be scum or bad-town. do you deny this?
you said that if he was town it would not be a loss for the town to lynch him. do you deny this?
you said you'd be fine with lynching him. do you deny this?

in this specific post, you did not lean one way or the other on whether he's scum or town.
using your own bit here: how confident are you that he's scum?

Looks more pointless questions.^

[farside22]

He was actually going somewhere with those questions, farside, sorry.

He was trying to point out a flaw in a comparison of 2 of my posts, but the problem with the flaw was it was perspective, from my POV there wasn't a flaw and I explained to him why

The second post he quoted was after you responded to his questions.

[farside22]

Parama pointless questions were on post 472
The post he was pointing out snakes flaw was post 488.
Get it?

[farside22]

This is for Parama
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8367978
Who just didn't like my response, when I made it at the time.

[farside22]

1. but in the (10%) scenario where he's just badtown, would you be fine with lynching him?

Is this a real question? I obviously would be hurt if he flipped town, as that bring scum closer to their win-con and me further from mine. Did you really expect a different answer here?

He is leading you to the question.

It's a trap question that he asked.
Frankly no townie worth there salt ever responds the same exact way depending on the question.

[farside22]

Farside answer this question: How do you define what questions are alignment indicative?

A question that gets a view to see how a player thinks about post.
Not a question that is implying a players reads a fake a wrapping it up as a question.

[farside22]

Farside answer this question: How do you define what questions are alignment indicative?

A question that gets a view to see how a player thinks about post.
Not a question that is implying a players reads are fake a wrapping it up as a question.

Fixed

[farside22]

Like this question.

fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

[farside22]

Mod: fix quote please

[farside22]

eagersnake's posting comes off really stiff tbh. I can't tell if the "reasoning" in 7 is serious or a joke and the "oh noes" just feels rlly forced

Your post reads more as a scum lean using words like post feeling forced and stiff.
I don't see confusion with that in the implied sentence.

[farside22]

I'm so fucking glad I'm town this game or I'd be scared shitless right now

Don't expect me to be around when Parama drills you with more frivolous questions to the point of it being meaniless.

[farside22]

"I can't tell if" followed by no vote implies confusion. It's normal to be confused by my play if you've never played with me before.

The other 2 implies scumminess. The can't tell leaves it as fence sitting.
Did he ask you to explain?
No

[farside22]

I'm not worried about him because luckily I'm town

Goodie gum drops so am I.

[farside22]

No.
I felt my responses before were self explanatory

[farside22]

And Because I said the same fucking thing about the question 5 fucking times too

[farside22]

hey farside:
36, 40, 42

this is a direct follow-up discussion to 21

do you still argue that i was fence-sitting on the issue, when it was pretty cleanly resolved in the last post there? your fence-sitting claim came after this exchange, for the record

I'm not chasing my tail any more, thanks.

Go find someone else to do that trick to.

[farside22]

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

I asked you the point of responding and why, nice dodge.
Also that's not yelling, you like to exaggerate things typically?

How about my question here Parama

[farside22]

And Because I said the same fucking thing about the question 5 fucking times too

i can objectively say you didn't.

if you want to clam up that's fine, but silence doesn't suit you well.
it's clear that you know you can't win and don't want to make yourself look worse trying, though.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8367106

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8367027


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8367926
How I felt the question was being asked.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8367978
Asking the point of the questions, which was dodged repeatedly

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8368852
Repeating the issue.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8367334
What I felt was happening.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8367911
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8369644
Looking for anyone else to explain.

How Parama responded to the question, which was with nothing but shitty remarks

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8371116
How I feel about said questions.

And we've come full circle.

Weeeeeeeeee

[farside22]

sure, i exaggerate sometimes. i mean, literally, you can't yell in a text post because text posts have no audio component to them. the point was that you were making a big deal about me not answering a question. which is metaphorically like yelling. it's a literary technique, i think

what does me exaggerating something pretty trivial have to do with my alignment?

want to answer my other questions i just asked, in the meantime? 523? 532?

I made one post saying you dodged prior to the one I quoted.

The rest is all in the quote log.

[farside22]

while i'm thinking about it:
farside, why did you only answer the question after eager asked it?
what about him asking it suddenly made it alignment-indicative to you? that's your criteria for answering a question, in your own words; any other question isn't important. you previously said the question wasn't alignment indicative. so why did you answer it now, all of the sudden?

No.
I felt my responses before were self explanatory

[farside22]

hey farside:
36, 40, 42

this is a direct follow-up discussion to 21

do you still argue that i was fence-sitting on the issue, when it was pretty cleanly resolved in the last post there? your fence-sitting claim came after this exchange, for the record

Sure I can say maybe you were confused, maybe you were fence sitting.
Either one.

[farside22]

Here is all you need to know about Parama

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8365631
Exaggeration from the beginning when pushed with a little pressure.
The quote he used in the link had 3 questions in it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8365655
Saying he responded to my question but clearly he didn't, just insulted the question.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8366435
Still dodging

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8366891
Says he doesn't care about me responding to his questions but has gone out of his way this whole game to make it a big deal.

[farside22]

Sure I can say maybe you were confused, maybe you were fence sitting.
Either one.

you say this now, but this isn't what you've been saying before.

you asserted that you believed it to be fence-sitting. i'm not letting you go back on your stance when it suddenly becomes convenient.

See what I saw was you read fence sitting in the post

, where frankly he reads as foot in mouth.

You start with the forced comment

then fence sitting with is it this or that

, but not questioning it.

The first one I don't see his issue since the sum of it is

he make a fence sitting comment

and what I say was eager making a tongue in-cheek comment back with the fence post from Parama.

The other 2 implies scumminess.

The can't tell leaves it as fence sitting.

Did he ask you to explain?
No

and you specifically say you do not think it's confusion:

Your post reads more as a scum lean using words like post feeling forced and stiff.

I don't see confusion with that in the implied sentence.

And now you can see how he just twisted the question back to something pages ago.

Eager your helping the wrong side.

Each resp9nse you give Parama is to do exactly what I said in the beginning.

Circle jerking.

[farside22]

And I'm going on v/LA for 48 hours

[farside22]

He is hunting. I know this from being on the hunted side of it.

No dear he asked a question where the only response is going to be what he wants.
That's it.

Good day for 2 days

[farside22]

seriously though the farside wagon is an awful look for both of you.

you look whiny and Grey looks like he's making a bizarre attempt to recreate the Spanish fucking Inquisition

I lol'ed.

Thank you for this.

Whether anyone cares or not.
Parama said he had a scum read on cakez and not once has Parama asked any leading question to cakez.
Nor has he made a push on cakez.
The rest is frivolous misleading questions.
Parama just looks to me like hes holding out hope that he can push a counter wagon on town over his scum buddy.

[farside22]

Just an FYI if you read cakez isoif Parama engaged with cakez, Cakez sure as shit never responded.
Where's the rage from Parama in regards to being ignored?

That said, this is for kraska, Cakez points are not that bad as town.
I'll say that 50 times over.

[farside22]

Just one last reference from me.

Parama scum asking shifting fucking questions and tying up the game with them

lazy scum play. Basically he gives vague reasons for reads that game]

giving more view as town about what he sees
With a few questions.

town game where he is relaxed, explaining things to newbs and general comment and reads

trolling town game

lazy town

Many of the lazy /trolling game he doesn't really respond to question to him.

Basically you can do a search yourself but he did this same tactic as scum and never as town.

[farside22]

Its Ari, SC, and Far or Para methinks

VOTE: Aristophanes

Start here. I'm sure you can all use a break from Para/Far, so we'll get to that tomorrow

I'd say Rachel should be considered as well she didn't have that town feel to her post.

Vote: arti

I went back and forth, my first impression was farside but that was based on false assumption, after that parama, then back to farside. Either way it doesn't matter

One of farside or parama is definitely getting vig'd tonight.

You vig me, you better fucking lynch Parama when I flip town.

[farside22]

We don't need to consider Rachel if you're right about Para.

Well I'm tired between ari and Rachel.
I'm just not going to interact with scum Parama this game day.
If there is a vig I say shoot Parama, but if I'm shot instead lynch Parama after I flip town.

That's were I'm at.

[farside22]

Article has no scum reads to speak of this game and is basically just buddying players.

Rachel came in late, the free thinking girl usually is an open book with her scum reads, looks to be struggling to make post about anything.

[farside22]

And just a reminder, Parama said he had a scum read on cakez and barely tried to interact or push a wagon on cakez.

[farside22]

rach was v/la lol

She came back from that.

[farside22]

VOTE: ari

i don't even have a scumread on aristo tbh, he's pretty null

same
help put pressure on him then

pedit: still think farside is town but i agree killing grey over ckd is weird. if anyone's getting vigged it should be farside

It was obvious planned setup farside kill

Well that's what I think.

We could just lynch Parama.
That'd be awesome

[farside22]

Somebody hammer Aristophanes. Protective role on me, Killing role on Parama, I'll do my job.

Gut feeling moment with Parama attitude and my scum read on him I don't think he would blantenly wait for scum buddy to fake claim.

Just wait for arti to claim on this.

[farside22]

Umm this game ended before my V/LA did, not that I am unhappy since we nailed scum.

On top of everything else now I am sick and have spent most of the weekend off and on bundled up in my recliner sleeping.

WTF Far? Yeah I was struggling to figure out reads because I was busy with RL shit. Plus like half the day was Grey tunneling on you, while you and Para were tunneling on each other.

INTENT TO HAMMER based on Snakes claim.

But bloody well give me a chance to catch up folks uggh

You posted a few times before day ended.
The rest of this reads a bit defensive for a general comment

[farside22]

I'll be bitter about it if I damn well please thank you very much!

Why arti, why.

Sigh.

[farside22]

I'd like to hear from everyone who their scumread is

Vote: Parama

[farside22]

Parama is scum.
Look at cakez and lack of discussion push there.
Also jk an informative role over scum read is crap.

[farside22]

You find the badly beaten corpse of SnarkySnowman laying outside the Wings of Fire clubhouse. He was one of the people that got along better with your gang, so you are sad to see him go.

Before you can even start to plan for SnarkySnowman's funeral, you hear a loud, powerful explosion that takes out a few windows of your clubhouse. What's easy to fix is cleaning up the glass and getting replacements; what's not as easy to fix is that you now have to plan for GreyICE's funeral as well, and he was also someone who was quite loyal to the club and wouldn't even think about defecting.

In any event, you know these are acts of aggression. Time to serve justice for your two fallen bikers.

GreyICE, who was a

vanilla townie

, has been blown up on Night 1.
SnarkySnowman, who was a

vanilla townie

, has been bludgeoned on Night 1.

With

10

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2016-10-16 14:51:08).

I'll think of flavor when I don't feel as busy with school.

kraska77, who was a

watcher

, has been shot on Night 2.

With

8

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch a player.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2016-10-19 14:36:38).

Different flavors given for kills as well.

Don't see vig killing kraska given no one was scum reading her.

[farside22]

you're the pot calling the kettle black there y'know.

Yeah I push cakez more then you as scum.
You basically were he's a scum read would rather lynch farside.

Let's. Otherwise forget article and let's have a claim first from Parama either.

[farside22]

But you can essentially clear someone by jailkeeping them

it's just a possibility, regardless.

@farside, reading into flavor is grasping at straws.

1 first 1 baby.
I know you are scum.

[farside22]

*farside not carside

I lol'ed

Dude Parama is scum that if I have to build a case showing how bad his push was this game that it will become a rage feast.

[farside22]

I mean. I'm not really sure what you want me to say? I have townreads on you and Parama (Parama publicly reevaluating his deathtunnel on farside is town as fuck imo) at this point. I disagree with kuribo's assertion that Rach can't be scum based on chainsawing ckd since her ISO otherwise has just been fluff, nonsense, and vague buddying. I don't think kuribo has had time this game to actually unfurl the murdercock so I'm not concerned about his lack of fire just yet but he just reads like white noise to me

Gear's posting today reads like a death spiral to me. this last page is particularly bad.

farside's continued deathtunnel on Parama is pretty bad at this point. I'd consider voting her just to get rid of the noise

I see I need to make a case.
Are you going to read it?

[farside22]

I mean. I'm not really sure what you want me to say? I have townreads on you and Parama (Parama publicly reevaluating his deathtunnel on farside is town as fuck imo) at this point. I disagree with kuribo's assertion that Rach can't be scum based on chainsawing ckd since her ISO otherwise has just been fluff, nonsense, and vague buddying. I don't think kuribo has had time this game to actually unfurl the murdercock so I'm not concerned about his lack of fire just yet but he just reads like white noise to me

Gear's posting today reads like a death spiral to me. this last page is particularly bad.

farside's continued deathtunnel on Parama is pretty bad at this point. I'd consider voting her just to get rid of the noise

I see I need to make a case.
Are you going to read it?

throw in some gifs and we'll talk

Sigh.

I'll do my best.

[farside22]

re: ckd 893
this is a pretty solid point. the only decent reason i could see this particular grouping killing grey n1 over, like, eager or you, is if they were PR hunting.
the grey kill really only benefits the people he was tunneling on d1, which would be farside and kuribo. and i'd be shocked if the latter is scum at this point.

p-edit: hi again farside, i literally asked you to summarize your case against me, which you have blatantly ignored. are you ready to stop playing anti-town?

I didnt see anything that Grey said that made me think...man he is a PR. it seems like if I was going to PR hunt, but didnt have a clue, I would kill a threat. I havent reread yet, but I can just tell I am probably going to vote farside before this day is out (that doesnt sound very open minded before the reread does it?). I also dont think Kuribo is mafia (feel free to note: I didnt say "scum" here and do with that what you will)

farside thoughts?

Unless your putting this as one of parama/farside is scum and not taking my read seriously, I can't help you.

As for gear he moved from leaning town to null for me.
Rach still continue to set off my spidy senses.

[farside22]

And there is the option of scum to no kill to look town.
You know like a lying jk.
And I swear if Parama isn't lynched this whole game after I put a case together I will be a bitch post game.

[farside22]

There's not a fucking town jail-keeper it would be unbalanced


Now everyone shut the fuck up about a jk so I dont have to elaborate

I said fake claimed jk, ie could be scum rb.

That's not difficult to believe.

My case will just have to wait till this weekend.

Busy till Saturday

[farside22]

town jailkeeper.

This sounded like a fake claim.

Speaking of which, I'm not claiming.
Hammer away if you can't wait for a case to be produced.

I already explained Parama meta history in my iso, his questions that are just trap question trying to look like scum hunting.
The lack of push from Parama on either cakez or arti.

If there is a sk look at kuribo.

That is all.

[farside22]

you know what..

nevermind.


this isnt normal (good) Farsidetown play.

this has the feel of scum whose heart is either not in it or knows she is going to lose.

ugh...

intention to hammer.

Your wrong.

Just hammer no loss.
Just VT.

Look at interaction between cakez/arti vs Parama.

[farside22]

if you were just a VT why not claim?

I feel like the wagon is on me because....like why claim with shit reason for a wagon.
Town performance based on finding scum.
You know like so far cakez, arti and finally Parama. Going for non town lynch would be awesome but doubtful because players think me tunneling is scummy.
Shrug.
That's how I am.

[farside22]

As much as I can appreciate the who's dick is bigger contest on page 40, that discuss can wait till post game.

[farside22]

okay..you guys, quit spamming thread.

UT - tell me why you think farside is scum, thus voting her.
farisde - tell me why you didnt claim.
farside - what makes you think parama claimed JK
rach - do fucking something, you are on the worthless side of this game.

Explained.
Just felt like it was a soft claim and I missed some of the back and forth dialog.
Plus he asked if scum could do both a PR and kill, it reads like he is ready to try to fake claim at this point.

[farside22]

Yup those spindy senses on rach are not going away.
Exchange kuribo for rach as possible sk

[farside22]

Still lynching town.

Last scum in Parama or gear. Liked ckd points.
Parama is more obv for being off both scum lynched and helping scum buddy cakez.
Rach more likely sk, kuribo sk wouldn't surprise me.
Rest is town.

[farside22]

the way ckd is talking about an SK isn't stupid, it's the way other people are saying LOLOLOL MAYBE THERE'S AN SK WHO DO YOU THINK IT IS I MIGHT NEED TO SHOOT THEM TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M TOTALLY NOT SCUM OR MAYBE IF THERE'S A VIG COULD YOU OUT YOURSELF PLEASE I'M TOTALLY TOWN FOR DOING THIS

Parama hinted that snake maybe protected.

[farside22]

I can think of one solution where both those are wrong.

town jailkeeper.

better blocked than dead.
explains the missing kill too.

Just an FYI in case you missed it.

[farside22]

Make up your mind Far am I scumz or SK in your mind

the shade is not helping me feel you are town

Why are you not voting for me if you think I am so scummy?

Especially since I have the hammer.

SK more the mafia.

Sk hunting is more guess work.
Interaction with scum is easy to pinpoint.
Thus Parama vote.

Glad if you are sk though.

[farside22]

so you are saying he claimed because he did some theorizing of game mechanics?

That does not look to me like he is saying I am a JK and I jailed snake.

He theorized what happened with one less kill.
Like why can't it be possible that kraska was a scum kill instead of snake?

[farside22]

Gear writing off everyone but farside as probably town is my biggest problem with lynching the slot


Looking at his ISO it doesn't feel like he's trying to leave his options open the way scum would

Parama did that day one and day 2, shock oh my reads changed....oh farside wagon vote......yeah that read change was tote special.

[farside22]

Spoiler:

well my top town read died and flipped town

I am town reading snake and kuribo

I need to iso para and far and sort through all that back and forth, but my experiences with that level of obtuseness on the part of two players having a go at each other usually ends up being TvT so for now both para and far go in my town pile as prob town.

scum reading Aris he felt off from what I remember on D1 plus of course snake's claim. I still would like to give the dude a chance to respond and claim and reads and all.

With two deaths, we either have a SK or we have someone in town with killing power. If they are a vig they need to keep mum at this point. I am leaning vig based on the nk of snarky, because I can't see a sk getting rid of snarky.

That is what I have so far.

Mostly because I am irked by trying to catch up and having the hammer taken out of my hand

Far is at L-1?

Jeeze let a girl catch up a bit why dontcha

ok well I think gear is scumz so yeah

that is where my vote is going

I am not yet sold on far or para not being a TvT froofroo

Feel pretty good about Kuribo, snake (obviously), and UT being town,

VOTE: Gear

Because I wanted to catch up get my reads more solidified and give Ari time to actually comment,

Not happy with the quick hammer and also not happy with Ari throwing a fit

means town loses important info going into the night phase.

meh

UNVOTE:

snake dude, not a good idea to antagonize long time players.

I am voting gear because I think he is scumz

I am not sold on either para or far being scum yet.

I can't go into detail on my para read but he feels towny to me.

Usually when you have two players going at it hammer and tongs they both turn out to be town. I feel better about my town read on para over far though.

Snake is obv town but needs to cool his jets down a bit.

Kuribo is town

ckd is town.

UT is town

INTENT TO HAMMER

All this is in regards to my scum read on rach.

She talked about catching up still on day 2, this was after she was back from v/LA from day 2 by the way.
Day 3 comes around and she makes a few vague reads and the only scum read she speaks of is gear.
Throughout she says multiple times she thought Parama me was TvT.
However once I get to l-1, she gives intent to hammer.
Never before stating a scum read on me and this was after complaining about a quick wagon on arti day 2.

Add to that there is some meta references in regards to rach that I know, where she is more logical and forthright that are completely lacking this game.

[farside22]

Here is why Parama is scum with arti and cakez.

First you have parama stating he has a scum read on cakez and multiple times having issues with cakez like this
But not once did parama ever vote cakez.



After Eager said he followed Aristo to Grey, Parama was like we should wait for a claim here and look aristo gives a fake claim right before hammer.


I don't think so, looks like a set up to me to help his scum buddy.

Then you get Aristo who doesn't ever interacted barely with Parama iso


Finally if you read Cakez Iso he attacks me and has a warped scum team here
All while putting down the points I had against him here




Many times on day 1 Parama continues the push on me rather then Cakez, why? There is the million dollar question. Was it to save his scum buddy or a serious read? If not why continue the read after Cakez flip? Parama never said he thought we were scum together or pointed out how that was possible.

In short Parama fits all the scum aspects of scum buddies with the 2 flipped scums and should be lynched.



Vote aint moving unless the rach wagon goes.

[farside22]

Why is gear not voting Far that is what I would like to know?


Why does he only go on vanity wagons or not vote?

Meanwhile he skates while all the attention is on Far and Para?

Doesn't anyone else see this as strange?

Why 8s this a point?
How many scum do you think are in this game?

pretty good effort, farside

I tried.

[farside22]

1. because i vote my strongest scumread
2.

Somebody hammer Aristophanes. Protective role on me, Killing role on Parama, I'll do my job.

Gut feeling moment with Parama attitude and my scum read on him I don't think he would blantenly wait for scum buddy to fake claim.

Just wait for arti to claim on this.

Yes, I am so obviously scum with aristo because I wanted to wait for him to claim.
You can't possibly be this dense.
3. Aristo barely interacted with you too. He barely interacted with anyone, because he didn't post a ton. There are living players that he interacted less with than either of us.
4. I think this argument works AGAINST you, actually. I'd expect scum to put one of their buddies in their scumlist. And, well, eager ain't it, and ckd ain't it. This is actually hilarious because this has nothing to do with why I'm scum with Cakez, it only has to do why you AREN'T. So it's irrelevant to begin with.
5. again, because you were my preferred lynch of the day.

well, that was fun.

He buddies up to me.
That's pretty fucking obvious.

[farside22]

And Parama has yet to explain why he never voted scum this game.

Good story

[farside22]

You think Para is scum you think I am scum

I think Gear is scum, Gear is not voting for you or for anyone for that matter.

I am voting for whom I think is scum.

Do you really think in a game this size there are 4 scum, Far?

There may be a SK that I am not sure on, but I figure there are probably 3 scum, or 3 scum plus an SK.

I see no need to repeat myself on where I see you fit in a scum category my dear.
I didn't know you could only have one scum read.

[farside22]

I should not ask my SCUM read why he is not voting someone, why he has not been on board on ANY of the scum flips?

I am reading Gear as scum and I am voting him. How tough is that to understand?

Parama hasn't been on a scum wagon.
Why is he town?

[farside22]

Far is at L-1?

Jeeze let a girl catch up a bit why dontcha

ok well I think gear is scumz so yeah

that is where my vote is going

I am not yet sold on far or para not being a TvT froofroo

Feel pretty good about Kuribo, snake (obviously), and UT being town,

VOTE: Gear

snake dude, not a good idea to antagonize long time players.

I am voting gear because I think he is scumz

I am not sold on either para or far being scum yet.

I can't go into detail on my para read but he feels towny to me.

Usually when you have two players going at it hammer and tongs they both turn out to be town. I feel better about my town read on para over far though.

Snake is obv town but needs to cool his jets down a bit.

Kuribo is town

ckd is town.

UT is town

Gear on the other hand was on a vanity wagon on Grey then was not voting on the second one.

And that is the other thing that bothers me about far being considered scumz would she be ballsy enough to double bus both her team mates?

Also since this is all you got for voting gear, I'd like to see you expand on that scum read reason.

[farside22]

Hey farside, just for the record, (living) people who have not been on a scum wagon:
Gear
Parama
Rach

Dunno why you're singling me out for it. Kind of a stupid argument unless you think three people are buddies with the two flipped scum.

It's like 2 out of 3 are on my scum list and you missed that somehow.

But my question to rach is why gear is scummy for something you did too.
Not hard to understand at all.

[farside22]

Ugh. It probably means that she's town since scum would probably do better with remembering their fake town reads than to threaten to hammer one of them.

No.
She still has not even explained why she was going to hammer someone she wasn't even scum reading.

[farside22]

farside needs to be the one that goes today guys.

feel it in my bones...MY BOOOONNNNESSS

[farside22]

Ugh. It probably means that she's town since scum would probably do better with remembering their fake town reads than to threaten to hammer one of them.

No.
She still has not even explained why she was going to hammer someone she wasn't even scum reading.

She said that she thought it was close to the deadline.

Is this day 3 you are talking about?
If so that's crap.

yeah but grey thought I was scum too, so I'm completely disregarding his asinine opinion

I endorse this product and/or service.

Ckd if all you have is grey ice death to tie me to, when I flip town are you going to consider my reads or just ignore everything I said?

[farside22]

I just feel like Vig should've killed between Parama and Farside, so why are they both alive?

Point in favor why I don't by there being a vig this game.

Snake: tbf this day will either end in my lynch or gear. I prefer to be lynched to just maybe get some respect from those calling me scum to consider my reads.
Nothing like rach still not explaining why she finds me scummy shouldn't be enough.
But tunneler don't bother to really pay attention to those little things.
Or I'd Parama thinks gear is scum too why he's on a vanity wagon he called town at the start of the day.

Smokes a cigarette.
Blows out puff of smoke.

I'd start drinking too but it won't help.

[farside22]

Well I read, don't give 2 shots what eager did, he's town, deal with it.
Parama/rach again those 2 are more scum then anything else.
Not changing my view.

[farside22]

parama has done basically nothing but play games with farside

kuribo has done nothing but circle jerk with greyice and play games with farside

greyice did nothing but circle jerk with kuribo and play games with farside

so if farside is town then none of them deserve to win anyway

Wow, I have my own bitter thoughts but it's more towards ckd tunnel on me.
Rach is just trying to justify a vote on me without making a case.
Nothing new there either.

[farside22]

curious farside...do you know why I think you are scum?

Grey ice kill is the only thing you mention.
I'm betting also that you think I'm scum based on our last game together too.
Even though I see differences that are miles apart.

[farside22]

NOW I can explain my town Para read game just ended

The 42 role madness game with Wake and smith

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67827

Reviewed, meta I pulled shows better examples why he's a scum read.
You ignored that?

[farside22]

this is also another reason farside.

Also ckd is on my scum list and I glazed through reading the rest of this page.

well now that just hurts.

but lets explore that a bit.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

just answer them again.

please repost what question you asked her that she didnt answer.

everybody wins.

now you left yourself an out by saying you "glazed" the post. but what about this post makes you think..."gee that CKD must be scum". Both you guys are saying that the other isnt answering question..I want to see who really believes it....

also....funny you didnt do what I asked...so do you really think he isnt answering questions?

this gave me the same feel of what Cakez was doing Day 1. throwing up a shitty scum read, without anything backing up. like Cakez it felt like you were leaving this open if you needed to jump on it later without suspicion. Ultimately I attacked Cakez for this because his was so blatant and then of course his reaction when I called him on it. This however stuck with me too. You even left yourself an out with the "I know glazed, but" comment. Nothing here seems genuine. it is just scummy and not good Townfarside

I glaze by post as either alignment.
Sorry it's that ADD person that gets lazy until I realize, wait I think I missed something.
I also responded to your question.
Shrug

[farside22]

I can't imagine that there is anyone in this game who would take seriously someone listing the things they have done that they think are pro-town. I imagine that most people would at best be irritated by it. The fact that your response to me included the comment about me wanting credit for things makes me question your motivation in asking these questions, and this is made even worse by your accusation in your last post that I am deflecting. I am concerned that you are proceeding down this line of questioning, to force me to do things that others will find questionable.

at the end of the day (at the point in the game) I have both Rach and Parama in my town pile. Certianly not because Rach has done anything protown, but a general feel. Parama just looks town. chalk those reads up to experience. you on the other hand look scummy. the only reason you dont have my vote right now, is because I dont think you and Aris killed Grey. you might be an SK if we have one, but dont think you are mafia. that being said, I still am pressuring you to see what happens. the fact is, you havent done ANYTHING protown this game. "Waaaahhh, why arent you asking Rach that question? Waaaah" because I dont think she is scum. looking at your ACTIONS versus what you were saying is damning. you are just lucky that farside is fitting the mafia scum mold better than you.

what is so questionable about me asking you to provide some protown actions? I guess it is safe to say at this point that since you have refused to answer this question, you know you look scummy as shit and cant point to anything showing you have done anything protown.

does questionable = scummy?

I blame you if town loses.
And you'll here me rant post game.

[farside22]

now...

what if...

hmm..

now we are assuming that Grey was a scum kill.

ugh. I just dont see mafia killing the snowman. I just dont. unless town was just so off in their reads Day 1, that they werent worried and just wanted to remain hidden. nah. that had to be a vig/sk

Aristo was tracked to grey ice, that's a non issue.

[farside22]

I can't imagine that there is anyone in this game who would take seriously someone listing the things they have done that they think are pro-town. I imagine that most people would at best be irritated by it. The fact that your response to me included the comment about me wanting credit for things makes me question your motivation in asking these questions, and this is made even worse by your accusation in your last post that I am deflecting. I am concerned that you are proceeding down this line of questioning, to force me to do things that others will find questionable.

at the end of the day (at the point in the game) I have both Rach and Parama in my town pile. Certianly not because Rach has done anything protown, but a general feel. Parama just looks town. chalk those reads up to experience. you on the other hand look scummy. the only reason you dont have my vote right now, is because I dont think you and Aris killed Grey. you might be an SK if we have one, but dont think you are mafia. that being said, I still am pressuring you to see what happens. the fact is, you havent done ANYTHING protown this game. "Waaaahhh, why arent you asking Rach that question? Waaaah" because I dont think she is scum. looking at your ACTIONS versus what you were saying is damning. you are just lucky that farside is fitting the mafia scum mold better than you.

what is so questionable about me asking you to provide some protown actions? I guess it is safe to say at this point that since you have refused to answer this question, you know you look scummy as shit and cant point to anything showing you have done anything protown.

does questionable = scummy?

I blame you if town loses.
And you'll here me rant post game.

you blame me? the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day. I would also say I nailed Aris day one too, but was reluctant day 2.

sure...you blame me.

i dont know if you are being genuine here or if this is AoE.

I was right there with aristo and cakez, your ignoring obvious scum on neither wagon, which kills me the most.

[farside22]

Parama (1): farside22

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey boys and girls. This isn't a joke. Farside is fucking scum. Parama is town.

you want me to believe Parama killed this the first shot he got?

no.

Here's is the thing.
Scum kill either obv town, to throw shade at other players, or because there being scum read by said player.
2 out of 3 work in Parama favor.

[farside22]

if you are scum farside. that AoE shit was lame.

I hate your not listening to my read of parama and even if you lynched me and flip town, you'd still ignore it.
You deserve to know I'd be pissed post game and with the tunneling you've done this game day I think you've put me on ignore.

[farside22]

A couple things to be noted with interaction.
Cakes attacked me when I stated a scum read on him.

Based on your meta-read of me from that game, how do you expect me to play?

Not like how you're playing here!
Your entire argument about the Kuribo wagon being NAI didn't match your town play at all
[quote="In post 193, curiouskarmadog"
NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THIS.

what part of EVERYTHING LOOKS SCUMMY = Help me with where my vote should go?

but lets say...yep..that was exactly what I was doing..."need help with my vote"...how is that exactly scummy?

also..distancing? distancing from what exactly?

VOTE: cakez

there is no way...absolutely no way you believe this at all.

I think you have seen a couple people say they thought I was scum, and you are just dropping this in, so you can jump in on the wagon if one develops without much effort or suspicion.

I am calling bullshit

Look at this instant OMGUS from CKD, lol what garbage
Everything looks scummy is obviously fishing for help from someone
Distancing from your scumbuddy eager obviously

first: i literally do not see this at all and completely disagree.
second: i literally do not see this at all and don't even understand the argument being made. i know what you're getting at but i have no clue how it relates at all to that post.

See above

Town: kraska, eager
Moved town town lean: ckd

Scum: ari, sc, Parama

Slipping a scumread in on me that you have literally never mentioned until now?
Let's talk about that.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog for his horrific reaction above

pls[/quote]

However it's not till many post later that Parama places a scum read on cakez but he'd rather lynch me over cakez.

@ckd I don't think making friends is necessarily alignment indicative. for some people it depends on playstyle. it doesn't look to me like aristo is really trying to buddy anyone really, just has a pretty calm personality

i dislike eager continuing to refer to himself as lynchbait.

farside votes cakes and then immediately goes and lists the reasons why she thinks I'm scum. whereas the argument she makes against sircakez is comparatively brief.
by the way, this is the question you need to answer, not the ones you quoted. stop freaking lying. i literally could not make this more clear. you are intentionally ignoring this question.

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

where
did
you
answer
this
question

point to it.
right this instant.

gear shows up and posts nothing but useless garbage masquerading as content.
like seriously look at this: 362
how the hell do you get bussing out of that??? you only freaking called this bussing so you'd have a justification to lynch them both, probably set up a mislynch if one of them does flip scum

eager, why would you vote kuribo over sircakez at all. the softclaim is bad, sure, but not really scummy.

kraska 377 ignoring someone is literally the worst thing you can do, what the hell. i think farside is scum. why the HELL would i ignore her? that lets her get away.

if you want my thoughts on the whole ignore button fiasco grey is pushing: literally means nothing. plenty of other reasons farside is scum, but that ain't one of them.

@eager: sircakez is probscum, but farside is practically flipped scum fmpov. i keep my vote where the best candidate for scum is.

Also Parama defends artiso buddying too.

Sorry this is out of order, trying to fix this on my phone is more of a hassel.

[farside22]

really have the feeling that when we get to the dead PT at the end of the game, we're going to find grey screaming about how we're idiots for not destroying either farside or Gear

Says the player whom she called scum.

[farside22]

If you all are wrong, will you please look at gear tomorrow?

INTENT TO HAMMER

This was all at the start of day 3 from rach, where she never indicated a scum read but was willing to hammer.
This had nothing to do with end of day or deadline issues.

Just an fyi.

[farside22]

Farside how many times have you posted since those posts? Why "FYI" them now?

Posted it 2 times.
Rach has yet to explain why she intended to hammer me.

[farside22]

I already explained I screwed up thinking we were on deadline because I was trying to catch up, even though being sick and all, and I was under deadline in another game and that is all I am going to say because game is still ongoing.

Actually had TWO on deadline, the other one is finished and I believe I posted it already the 42 player role madness game where I screwed up even worse by voting because someone said they were the SK and that ticked me off so I voted without thinking, after a couple of glasses of Merlot.

Still irked at myself over that, but then I never figured an outed Mason that was confirmed by the deaths of the other two Masons, would live to a 4 player MYLO in a 42 player game either. And I had been outted since day friggin ONE too.

And yeah Para I am noticing that too, its like nothing about Gear just about her and her reading you and I must be scumz.

Meanwhile Gear is like pushing the broken record of why are you even thinking of voting for Far (someone he has pushed a light scum read on himself), and saying I am scum for it.

I think this is pretty fake.

Oh nos the 2 players I'm scum reading take issue with my post.

[farside22]

Also I'm not going to vote a player when 2 people I'm scum reading are pushing that lynch the hardest.
Thanks.

[farside22]

@farside

I was right there with aristo and cakez, your ignoring obvious scum on neither wagon, which kills me the most.

okay, riddle me this:
as scum, why would i intentionally leave myself off the aristo wagon, when there's a blatant guilty on him and easy bussing credit to grab?

note: your entire argument that i'm scum for avoiding scum lynches is baseless unless you can provide a reasonable answer to this question, so you may want to answer it unless you're absolutely fine with everyone continuing to ignore you

I don't respond to wifom bs from scum thanks.

[farside22]

VOTE: Rach

[farside22]

VOTE: farside22

alright. so you're useless if you're town, and you're useless if you're scum. i give you the opportunity to at least act like you care, but you clearly don't. you very dearly do not care. you literally just called me scum, then voted

someone completely different

. hon, if Rach is scum like you're asserting, my post is not wifom bs from scum like you claim it is.

and no. you can't go "but i scumread you" because that's not where your vote is now. you have literally no excuse.

so i fall back to my argument of "farside doesn't care about finding scum in the slightest" because, well, obviously that's blatantly true and you're practically making the argument for me. screw whatever else you've done that makes you look a little town. it's just, irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. screw the aristo vote. screw your suicidal death tunnel. those are pebbles compared to the out of control boulder of terrible that your play has been this game. i do think you're scum. i genuinely cannot rationalize a townie having the mindset you constantly display in this game. but on the off chance you're not, you're absolutely worthless to the town anyways.

I have a scum read on both of you, stated that clearly.
And second I stated if a wagon happened on you or her I'd be there.
But please keep ignoring things I stated in this game.

[farside22]

Also going to add the point you made is so (insert derogatory word here).
You of all players know there is only one vote to place and just because a player has more then one scum read doesn't mean they always are voting that scum read.
You've clearly called gear scum throughout and cakez you called scum but never voted him.
So your whole issue is pretty nonexistent or hypocrital as fuck.

[farside22]

I see Parama is still scumreading farside

For weaker reason she then last time.

Most likely because he's scum and he hates I won't let it go that I see through his crap.

[farside22]

Farside you know that rach convinced me to invite you right? Why would scum do that?

Fine

Vote: Parama

Still think she is 3rd party or something her play this game is awful from the last game we played together.

[farside22]

also at this point, I think we should mass claim.

Agreed.

[farside22]

@Mod: could a lone mafia member perform both their factional kill and their role action? (for example, roleblocker)

[farside22]

I wanted to see if the mod missed the question.
I see nothing wrong with asking.

So rach and Parama both my scum reads are voting me, shock face,

Anyways I have one more question for the mod that is even more important.

mod: if there is a sk and mafia in lylo with a townie, who wins?

I just experienced in princess bride the worst mod decision I ever seen where scum/sk got a joint win.

Anyways if you all lynch me, please for the love of God, lynch rach/Parama.
Parama first.

[farside22]

Para and ckd are my strongest town reads.

Snake is making me a bit paranoid why block him and not nk him especially since the doc died? Though the death of the doc looked more like a SK since it was stabbing? Need to go look at the other deaths to make sure its not some flavor thingy.

Far has more balls than I do double bussing her scum budz though.

VOTE: Far

I also wasn't on the wagon that just lynched town.
Now why does that make sense to do as scum?

[farside22]

Also a note: No one claimed vig and there was 2 deaths night one.
That confirms a sk in the game.

[farside22]

Also a note: No one claimed vig and there was 2 deaths night one.
That confirms a sk in the game.

yep that is what I was wondered about.

far, you did claim VT right?

Yes sir.

I'm betting scum parama and rach sk.
Hoping the mod will respond to my questions.

[farside22]

rach you literally convinced to not lynch farside yesterday.

now you are hot to trot to lynch her today?

That's because I'm calling her scummy.

She even tried to lynch me day 3 without a valid reason.
Unless you buy her bs story.

[farside22]

I also wasn't on the wagon that just lynched town.
Now why does that make sense to do as scum?

because you knew the wagon would flip town and did everything in your power to avoid it because it'd look bad on you? y'know??? you never gave any valid reasons for gear not being scum, just kept screaming "parama and rach are on the wagon so he must be town"

None of this = scum.

Tell me who else your scum reading and why?
Same question to rach.

[farside22]

1. yeah, that's just another dismissive argument that's completely invalid but whatever
2. if i had to take a crapshoot as to who sk is, i'd look between UT and Rach. probably the latter but i'd need to read into it more. but you're the mafia. 100%. i will be shocked if you do not flip maf. the time to doubt this read has long since passed.

1) nope.
2) your reasoning for scum reading me is fake
3) I stopped paying attention to you because of day quote and seeing how you twist anything said.
4) why don't you care about the SK?

[farside22]

Let's see with Parama scum you have him never voting scum, ever.
Pushing weak reason's for scum reads.
Trap questions.
Not scum hunting at all.
Cakez and arti both defended the spot.

Rach: Weak reads, lack of interaction, willing to hammer vote someone she was town reading (me) at the start of the day, sudden 180 on me come day 4 for weak reason.

Let me know which way to vote, I'll vote both if I could.

[farside22]

That's a whole lot of batching from 2 players I'm scum reading.
I mean really I flip town and then what reads will those 2 be chasing?
Who here even believes Parama reads rach as scum with all those agreements they have about me.
Talk about fake reads.

[farside22]

.

mod: if there is a sk and mafia in lylo with a townie, who wins?

.

[farside22]

.

mod: if there is a sk and mafia in lylo with a townie, who wins?

.

Depends

[farside22]

Para and ckd are my strongest town reads.

Snake is making me a bit paranoid why block him and not nk him especially since the doc died? Though the death of the doc looked more like a SK since it was stabbing? Need to go look at the other deaths to make sure its not some flavor thingy.

Far has more balls than I do double bussing her scum budz though.

VOTE: Far

I already explained I screwed up thinking we were on deadline because I was trying to catch up, even though being sick and all, and I was under deadline in another game and that is all I am going to say because game is still ongoing.

Actually had TWO on deadline, the other one is finished and I believe I posted it already the 42 player role madness game where I screwed up even worse by voting because someone said they were the SK and that ticked me off so I voted without thinking, after a couple of glasses of Merlot.

Still irked at myself over that, but then I never figured an outed Mason that was confirmed by the deaths of the other two Masons, would live to a 4 player MYLO in a 42 player game either. And I had been outted since day friggin ONE too.

And yeah Para I am noticing that too, its like nothing about Gear just about her and her reading you and I must be scumz.

Meanwhile Gear is like pushing the broken record of why are you even thinking of voting for Far (someone he has pushed a light scum read on himself), and saying I am scum for it.

In regards to rach her whole scum read is would far double bus, never answered by anyone, to just voting for that reason, never explaining her scum read once.

Even her town read on para is manufactured. I read that iso and that is no where near what this game is like.

[farside22]

lol, just reread something.

you misunderstand.
I don't particularly care if farside answers all my questions.
I do however care when she demands of me to do it then doesn't do the same in return. cause that's hypocrisy.

I did respond to your questions.

Ckd: I'm reading from 1 page to the next. It's just easier from me to do via phone.
The questions I asked where here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8365425
If you look post 90 post
He clearly saw one question at the end but not the other 2 I asked in the same post.
That is also were he asked his question.
Which I responded to and he keeps acting like I didnt.
Which I responded http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8365641 that post.

okay...and the rest of my post?

The scum read?
Felt like you were buddying me in the beginning and the unvote felt awkward.

where did you feel like I was buddying with you that made you put me on your scum list?

what unvote was awkward?..and what was awkward about it do you think?

I don't remember.
I don't care enough to look back either.

farside, who is scum and why are you not voting them?

UT, it is time for you to do something...who is scum and why?

I still want to lynch RachMarie. Her cheerleading of Parama and the farside wagonafter having argued against it yesterday screams scum to me.

Why no vote?

We are probably looking at two scum, thoughts?

Are you just blantly ignoring my post.
It's not that hard to see who I'm scum reading and why do you think there is 2 scum members left with 2 kills n1.

Vote: rachmarie

also farside you are posting elsewhere on site. I would like to see you here posting sooner than later.

Gfu

[farside22]

lol

funny thought, Farside is the SK and Parama is the last mafia. that makes their Day 1 interactions fucking hilarious.

Id lynch paramo in a heartbeat.

yes because I thought gear was the final scum and far was the sk

at this point having helped lynch a fellow townie I don't care anymore about protocol I want whichever one we can get lynched the final scum bucket or the sk

hence I am pushing far.

Yeah, this is a lie.
Read rach ISO and all she's declared is a scum read on me with bussing both my scum buddies.
True story

[farside22]

I asked if you were ballsy enough to do it

And for some vague reason you never explained, you used that as a reason to scum read me.
Geee that reads so much better.

[farside22]

Para and ckd are my strongest town reads.

Snake is making me a bit paranoid why block him and not nk him especially since the doc died? Though the death of the doc looked more like a SK since it was stabbing? Need to go look at the other deaths to make sure its not some flavor thingy.

Far has more balls than I do double bussing her scum budz though.

VOTE: Far

Yeah here is the contraction post from today.
Learn to read parama

[farside22]

UNVOTE:

god dammit.

second guessing.

farside I do care.

so go back and show me where I was buddying with you.

go back and explain to me why my vote was awkward, and why that was scummy.

also, out of everyone here, I have been very civil with you out of history and respect...and that isnt my nature. so telling me to go fuck myself..well, that doesnt sit right with me.

Well you call me out for glazing by post then ignore everything I posted this game day and apparently day 1, the hypocrisy of your attitude sucks.

Like you are acting basically butt hurt I called you scum then have complete laps at looking at anything else. But a nk1 and calling you scum at one point
You want my respect?
Hell no.

Just vote me and sucks on a town lost.
My respect is lost for you completely at this point as a player who used to look past many factors.

[farside22]

actually..

I have convinced myself.

I am pretty sure the two remaining scum are Para and Farside.

VOTE: Farside

EDIT:

okay UT whatever.

if Rach is scum and we lose, you can say "look I was right", but remember you did very little in the game, which is sad given your experience.

if you are some brand of scum, I will policy lynch/vig you, because really you just lurked/did the bare minimum in this game.

Hypocrite.

God I hope your scum and I'm wrong about one of parama/rach

[farside22]

Actually I'd add ckd to my scum list.
More confident rach scum read.
But between hypocrite and tunneler I don't care which is scum

[farside22]

and here we have the wild hypocrite calling someone else a hypocrite, an action that could be defined as hypocritical

No offense but you either are scum or tuneller.
I've even stated I'm ignoring your posting since after day 2, because your questions read completely unnecessary and only read to twist a players words.
If that how you scum hunt you will always be wrong.
As for ckd his comment about you and I as scum together makes no sense.
This is a 13 player game, if there was 4 scum I'd never play a SC game again. That's horribly unbalanced.

You may have my post on ignore from what I do read from you. Who knows.

All I know is rach doesn't use crap reasoning to join a wagon.
Ckd refusing to read back cases and using greys death as finding scum there reads pretty fake.
Coming back to something from day 1 that has nothing to do with this moments just reads desperate.

Plus his I could find soooooo many reasons to scum read everyone was were he pulled ahead of you as scummy.

So congrats to that for being called a tunneler who can't see beyond your only scum read.
Been there, done that.

[farside22]

also if Far and Para are the two remaining scum...I am going to laugh and laugh (see Day 1).

Someone tell me if this is a slip that there is more then one scum left.

[farside22]

where did you feel like I was buddying with you that made you put me on your scum list?

what unvote was awkward?..and what was awkward about it do you think?
now with 75% more bluster

To respond to this question, never asked when I responded to his question.
I was referring to the first 2 post from ckd.

Counter wagon! Page 1

VOTE: eagersnake

I hate town lists day 1, knock it off.


UNVOTE:

The first post he followed my vote on snake and the unvote there after.

[farside22]

where did you feel like I was buddying with you that made you put me on your scum list?

what unvote was awkward?..and what was awkward about it do you think?
now with 75% more bluster

To respond to this question, never asked when I responded to his question.
I was referring to the first 2 post from ckd.

Counter wagon! Page 1

VOTE: eagersnake

I hate town lists day 1, knock it off.


UNVOTE:

The first post he followed my vote on snake and the unvote there after.

UNVOTE:

assume it is on you for now.

I didnt see that I followed your vote...so I guess I could see how you might have thought I was buddying you...

still not sure why you thought the vote was "awkward" though. I was seeing scummy play and wanted to unvote by nonvote. I GUESS it was awkward because I didnt explain it, but it should have been obvious.

why wouldnt you just say the above when I asked you the first time?

the fact you couldnt made me go back and double check and when I didnt see anything, I thought BOOM, caught her in a lie that she cant back out of.

and here we have the wild hypocrite calling someone else a hypocrite, an action that could be defined as hypocritical

As for ckd his comment about you and I as scum together makes no sense.
This is a 13 player game, if there was 4 scum I'd never play a SC game again. That's horribly unbalanced.

why NOW are you saying any of this?


how does it not make any sense?

also if Far and Para are the two remaining scum...I am going to laugh and laugh (see Day 1).

Someone tell me if this is a slip that there is more then one scum left.

oh come on farside...you REALLY believe this? I am not the only one who believes this...why did you pick THIS out. fuck. this is why I think you are scummy. posts just like this. you cant possibly believe this.

you think that town having a watcher, doc, and maybe a tracker..

is not balanced again 3 mafia with (a ninja and maybe a roleblocker)

an a SK?

thought about this some more. you think that SC and Aris being the ONLY mafia, that after the SC lynch, Ari decided to kill Grey, a person that had him town? No...there is no way that a.) you believe that and b.) that happened.

so explain to me again how we are not looking at 4 scum?

Each in order of post.
1) why do you find a comment I made on day 1 important and not asked sooner
2 and 3) you were the player bringing up 2 more scum members left just recently. Tell me how often you run across a 4 man scum team in a 13 player game.

[farside22]

also if Far and Para are the two remaining scum...I am going to laugh and laugh (see Day 1).

Someone tell me if this is a slip that there is more then one scum left.

i refuse to believe you are this dense

He's still going on about it as possible.
Tell me how that is dense.

[farside22]

Finally in regards to my issues with ckd he post issues with rach then uses the kill to clear her as scum.
Even though any player would kill grey ice to frame me.
The fact he uses that as a crutch to scum read a player is awful.
Also ckd bringing up 2 scum left twice now will have me never leave the rach wagon and unless he can explain a town read on her that has nothing to do with kill analysis I may actually listen.
Considering ckd is the same player that gave me shit last game for making excuses for not voting players or not being around and giving rach a free pass lately just read completely false.

[farside22]

if you had the slightest bit of reading comprehension skills you'd be aware that "two scum" means "mafia and sk"

like

why does everyone keep thinking he means two maf

i legit don't understand that interpretation ????

Oh wait so when I said I had 2 scum reads and you called me scummy for not voting you even though I called you scummy wasn't ok but ckd calling a bunch of players scummy is fine.

Wow just wow.

[farside22]

Who's the biggest hypocrite this game. The tuneller hypocrite, the one criticizing those for not reading post and not doing it himself or myself who doesn't give a shit.

[farside22]

Asking a question clearly designed to contradict a players post should never ever be considered town.
Ever.