Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

[curiouskarmadog]

Rach, since you are hot to trot on Gear as scum

nevermind, I thought I found something.

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town
Snake is town
Snarky is town

I'm mostly doing this to annoy CKD

Eh gear might not be scum. Far side is.

these were the last things Grey said about Gear and Aris. after losing their buddy (SC) I dont see GearScum and Aris, offing Grey.

VOTE: farside

sell me on this. this is my biggest hurdle

SC/Aris/Gear.

after losing their partner, Aris and Gear decidde to kill Grey OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS GAME...why? Aris wasnt doing jack and Gear had a case AGAINST grey. I dont buy it.

[curiouskarmadog]

now...

what if...

hmm..

now we are assuming that Grey was a scum kill.

ugh. I just dont see mafia killing the snowman. I just dont. unless town was just so off in their reads Day 1, that they werent worried and just wanted to remain hidden. nah. that had to be a vig/sk

[RachMarie]

May have been afraid Grey would go back to gear, also would make us all hot and bothered to lynch far.

Look at how gear has stated a scum read on far, voted then unvoted even though she was not at that time at risk of being hammered.

[RachMarie]

yeah snarky would not be the maf kill lol usually town snarky is a good easy mislynch and they would want to keep him around for that.

[Untrod Tripod]

UT's a shell of his former self.

I feel like that implies I was ever good

also, what'd that game have in common with this one? hint, it rhymes with "a whole lot of useless bullshit and personal feuds"

I'm willing to lynch Gear or Rach today. Gear's posting today has been hella fucking gross. Rach's vote on ckd looked like I HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS SCUM LOOK HOW MUCH I DON'T KNOW THIS IS SCUM and I see a lot of attempted buddying from her. look how I said that without having to use nineteen paragraphs.

also this nightkill speculation is literally the definition of useless WIFOM and is probably just directing us away from obvious fucking scum in Gear

[farside22]

now...

what if...

hmm..

now we are assuming that Grey was a scum kill.

ugh. I just dont see mafia killing the snowman. I just dont. unless town was just so off in their reads Day 1, that they werent worried and just wanted to remain hidden. nah. that had to be a vig/sk

Aristo was tracked to grey ice, that's a non issue.

[curiouskarmadog]

now...

what if...

hmm..

now we are assuming that Grey was a scum kill.

ugh. I just dont see mafia killing the snowman. I just dont. unless town was just so off in their reads Day 1, that they werent worried and just wanted to remain hidden. nah. that had to be a vig/sk

Aristo was tracked to grey ice, that's a non issue.

oh right.

trying to think outside of the box.

anyway. leaving this for the night. hope you are happy, you can thank Rach for my unvote. made me go back and reread SC's wagon.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you are scum farside. that AoE shit was lame.

[farside22]

I can't imagine that there is anyone in this game who would take seriously someone listing the things they have done that they think are pro-town. I imagine that most people would at best be irritated by it. The fact that your response to me included the comment about me wanting credit for things makes me question your motivation in asking these questions, and this is made even worse by your accusation in your last post that I am deflecting. I am concerned that you are proceeding down this line of questioning, to force me to do things that others will find questionable.

at the end of the day (at the point in the game) I have both Rach and Parama in my town pile. Certianly not because Rach has done anything protown, but a general feel. Parama just looks town. chalk those reads up to experience. you on the other hand look scummy. the only reason you dont have my vote right now, is because I dont think you and Aris killed Grey. you might be an SK if we have one, but dont think you are mafia. that being said, I still am pressuring you to see what happens. the fact is, you havent done ANYTHING protown this game. "Waaaahhh, why arent you asking Rach that question? Waaaah" because I dont think she is scum. looking at your ACTIONS versus what you were saying is damning. you are just lucky that farside is fitting the mafia scum mold better than you.

what is so questionable about me asking you to provide some protown actions? I guess it is safe to say at this point that since you have refused to answer this question, you know you look scummy as shit and cant point to anything showing you have done anything protown.

does questionable = scummy?

I blame you if town loses.
And you'll here me rant post game.

you blame me? the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day. I would also say I nailed Aris day one too, but was reluctant day 2.

sure...you blame me.

i dont know if you are being genuine here or if this is AoE.

I was right there with aristo and cakez, your ignoring obvious scum on neither wagon, which kills me the most.

[Untrod Tripod]

the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day

yeah yeah, you and ONLY YOU were scumreading him

[farside22]

Parama (1): farside22

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey boys and girls. This isn't a joke. Farside is fucking scum. Parama is town.

you want me to believe Parama killed this the first shot he got?

no.

Here's is the thing.
Scum kill either obv town, to throw shade at other players, or because there being scum read by said player.
2 out of 3 work in Parama favor.

[curiouskarmadog]

the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day

yeah yeah, you and ONLY YOU were scumreading him

where did I say that? what triggered you to vote him after me UT?

[farside22]

if you are scum farside. that AoE shit was lame.

I hate your not listening to my read of parama and even if you lynched me and flip town, you'd still ignore it.
You deserve to know I'd be pissed post game and with the tunneling you've done this game day I think you've put me on ignore.

[curiouskarmadog]

so far no one has been able to or has answered my concern about scum far which is why she would be ballsy enough to double bus both her scum budz?

That is why I think gear is more likely. However ckd, if it comes to deadline and she ends up being the lynch of the day, I will switch. BUT I do want people to take a really good look at gear tomorrow if we are all wrong about her, or the game does not end.

so I started to put together a post here explaining why farside didnt really bus anything....without me checking did her vote come after or before Snake's claim? if it was after, it was not a bus.

so I checked, because I was going to give farside shit about her "bus" on Aris.

her vote DID come before the claim...

so....

(shrug)

[curiouskarmadog]

Parama (1): farside22

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey boys and girls. This isn't a joke. Farside is fucking scum. Parama is town.

you want me to believe Parama killed this the first shot he got?

no.

Here's is the thing.
Scum kill either obv town, to throw shade at other players, or because there being scum read by said player.
2 out of 3 work in Parama favor.

Grey was obvious town?

I didnt think so.

I thought his "I am not moving my vote from farside" thing was suspicious.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you are scum farside. that AoE shit was lame.

I hate your not listening to my read of parama and even if you lynched me and flip town, you'd still ignore it.
You deserve to know I'd be pissed post game and with the tunneling you've done this game day I think you've put me on ignore.

stop

[curiouskarmadog]

seriously I am done....done for tonight.

[Untrod Tripod]

the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day

yeah yeah, you and ONLY YOU were scumreading him

where did I say that? what triggered you to vote him after me UT?

his posting on page 12ish. it was real scummy.

[Parama]

a useless point.

nah, i definitely feel "I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO" is a pretty good point

ok but it is a really silly point let's be honest
we don't policy lynch obvtown on d3, no matter how bad they are

[farside22]

A couple things to be noted with interaction.
Cakes attacked me when I stated a scum read on him.

Based on your meta-read of me from that game, how do you expect me to play?

Not like how you're playing here!
Your entire argument about the Kuribo wagon being NAI didn't match your town play at all
[quote="In post 193, curiouskarmadog"
NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THIS.

what part of EVERYTHING LOOKS SCUMMY = Help me with where my vote should go?

but lets say...yep..that was exactly what I was doing..."need help with my vote"...how is that exactly scummy?

also..distancing? distancing from what exactly?

VOTE: cakez

there is no way...absolutely no way you believe this at all.

I think you have seen a couple people say they thought I was scum, and you are just dropping this in, so you can jump in on the wagon if one develops without much effort or suspicion.

I am calling bullshit

Look at this instant OMGUS from CKD, lol what garbage
Everything looks scummy is obviously fishing for help from someone
Distancing from your scumbuddy eager obviously

first: i literally do not see this at all and completely disagree.
second: i literally do not see this at all and don't even understand the argument being made. i know what you're getting at but i have no clue how it relates at all to that post.

See above

Town: kraska, eager
Moved town town lean: ckd

Scum: ari, sc, Parama

Slipping a scumread in on me that you have literally never mentioned until now?
Let's talk about that.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog for his horrific reaction above

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However it's not till many post later that Parama places a scum read on cakez but he'd rather lynch me over cakez.

@ckd I don't think making friends is necessarily alignment indicative. for some people it depends on playstyle. it doesn't look to me like aristo is really trying to buddy anyone really, just has a pretty calm personality

i dislike eager continuing to refer to himself as lynchbait.

farside votes cakes and then immediately goes and lists the reasons why she thinks I'm scum. whereas the argument she makes against sircakez is comparatively brief.
by the way, this is the question you need to answer, not the ones you quoted. stop freaking lying. i literally could not make this more clear. you are intentionally ignoring this question.

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

where
did
you
answer
this
question

point to it.
right this instant.

gear shows up and posts nothing but useless garbage masquerading as content.
like seriously look at this: 362
how the hell do you get bussing out of that??? you only freaking called this bussing so you'd have a justification to lynch them both, probably set up a mislynch if one of them does flip scum

eager, why would you vote kuribo over sircakez at all. the softclaim is bad, sure, but not really scummy.

kraska 377 ignoring someone is literally the worst thing you can do, what the hell. i think farside is scum. why the HELL would i ignore her? that lets her get away.

if you want my thoughts on the whole ignore button fiasco grey is pushing: literally means nothing. plenty of other reasons farside is scum, but that ain't one of them.

@eager: sircakez is probscum, but farside is practically flipped scum fmpov. i keep my vote where the best candidate for scum is.

Also Parama defends artiso buddying too.

Sorry this is out of order, trying to fix this on my phone is more of a hassel.

[Parama]

so far no one has been able to or has answered my concern about scum far which is why she would be ballsy enough to double bus both her scum budz?

Okay, but you have to put it into context. I don't think "parking a vote on a scumbuddy" is really strongly bussing. Bussing by definition, sure, but Aristo was dead in the water to begin with and Cakez already had momentum before farside jumped onto it.
Regardless of that, farside's push on Aristo doesn't strike me as a bus, but I wouldn't discount it. It's one of the things making me doubt my farside scumread though. The push on Cakez on the other hand reeks of bussing.

[Parama]

however, reading the SC wagon...ugh...dont look bussy.

like, i'd agree if you were pointing to the aristo wagon but the sircakez vote still comes off as a bus to me.
i was actually suspicious of it being a bus before there was even a flip, see 635 for reasons why.

[Parama]

I was right there with aristo and cakez, your ignoring obvious scum on neither wagon, which kills me the most.

okay, riddle me this:
as scum, why would i intentionally leave myself off the aristo wagon, when there's a blatant guilty on him and easy bussing credit to grab?

[kuribo]

really have the feeling that when we get to the dead PT at the end of the game, we're going to find grey screaming about how we're idiots for not destroying either farside or Gear

[RachMarie]