DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O
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In post 14, Pine wrote:We are not amused, churlish woodcutter.
Her Majesty Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, Empress of India consents to the convening of this session of Parliament, may you govern our realm well.Be it what it would, I, among my brethren tip our hat seeing you be warm as a patriot. However, for aught I know, this is a masque performed by yee to blind one from one's sullied hands. Let it not be the case in court today and be merry on your way.
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Spoiler: My Reaction when you could obviously give a reason for switching votes in RVS but don't.-
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In post 44, Almost Chara wrote:why would i immediately give a reason when seeing what you come up with is more fun?
sharp scummers would figure it had something to do with drealmerz. ;>
~Chara
pedit: can you walk through your thought process there, Postie?
peditx2: we is a personal pronoun, he is a third-person pronoun! the two aren't comparable!I do not see the benefit to make a reason for you, to just concur with, while you beat me with your hammer and tongs. Sir I do not regrettably inform you that you are in the House of the Commons, high class has looked up thee and has taken a pass.
Rid yourself of statements of heresy and proclaim, under god, why you so choose to condemn a peasant wood cutter.-
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In post 93, Infinity 324 wrote:
I don't like thisIn post 37, The Wood Cutters wrote:Spoiler: My Reaction when you could obviously give a reason for switching votes in RVS but don't.Spoiler:-
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Town.In post 108, Prism wrote:Scum are Chara, nancy, and ???, my guess would be Penguin.-
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I'm P-sure 135, the post right before this one, does exactly what you ask.In post 136, Infinity 324 wrote:How much you wanna bet the last page is gin?
It'd be nice if you explained your reads though, gin
Also, again, nancy says our reads suck and votes us for voting them. This is not hard to explain.-
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When I genuinely feel like a vote was OMGUS, I say it was OMGUS coming from scum. Genuine OMGUS to me is a scum tell.
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The things I say have data and unbiased examples because my methodology works.
I could write you a sermon that is mastina length but I choose to hide away details because you engaging creates dialogue, which furthers reads.
I personally won't even try to engage in the read's list with mastina because there's no real way for me to explain her thoughts as I'm not her.
As for dreal, Nacho says dreal looks on par to what we were playing with in Camn's Revenge and I trust him enough to have a better read on that slot than I do because of my tendency to scum read him for riding my ass in Camn's Revenge (love you tho).
As for my own reads, I have people starting to sway left or right but they're not solid enough for me to declare as some people I don't think have even posted yet.-
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I do have to ask as I seriously think an issue will arise if I don't settle it now, but like, could you break down each sentence and your meaning behind it because my interpretation is that you voted because mastina didn't put a bloody question mark.In post 133, nancy wrote:I want to say 126 and 127 are mastina, but I feel like there should be question marks in a single post there if it were her..
Let's just say it is anyway.
VOTE: WoodCutters
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For me, OMGUS usually happens in the RVS stage and you can tell when it's being playful.
In this situation, I read nancy's post saying mastina's reads sucks, verbatim:
and then goes on to say there should be a question mark in a post made by mastina as reason to vote our slot.In post 132, nancy wrote:Nope your reads suck.
If part of our reads means nancy is scum and then nancy says our reads are bad and then votes us right after stating that. I see OMGUS.In post 133, nancy wrote:I want to say 126 and 127 are mastina, but I feel like there should be question marks in a single post there if it were her..
Let's just say it is anyway.
VOTE: WoodCutters
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To add to that, show me, when mastina, as scum will not use a question mark as compared to town mastina where she uses them in the beginning.In post 160, The Wood Cutters wrote:Need I remind you she voted because mastina didn't but a fucking question mark.
A. QUESTION. MARK.
nancy, since you hardheartedly believe mastina puts a question mark in the beginning of her first few posts. Bring me the data to prove it.
I'd love to know how you have the data to support your thesis and how you come to the conclusion that the absence of a question mark is so damning and is worthy of a vote. I can't fucking wait.-
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If that's the case, then that's why I have post 156, in order to clarify the issue before we continue.In post 162, Infinity 324 wrote:
As far as I can tell this is falseIn post 160, The Wood Cutters wrote:she voted because mastina didn't but a fucking question mark
You're trying to associate the statements in nancy's post where to me they are separate. The reason for the vote was the last question I think (nancy thought mastin was judging too quickly and not doubting herself enough).
Long/short: moved in with girlfriend and I pay rent till I leave for University where I have a dorm. Life is still overwhelming, like I'm limiting myself to 2 games max and one of them, this game, is a hydra so some of the work load is taken off of me if I need to focus RL more than pay attention here.In post 164, Infinity 324 wrote:By the way gin, how's RL stuff going?-
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You wanna take a guess why I seriously hate this post, this part in particular?In post 186, Almost Chara wrote:P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT-
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MEUAHAHAHAIn post 189, Tea and Biscuits wrote:No one is Un-readable.
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Doubt is for the hydra PT.In post 133, nancy wrote:Where's the doubt, choppie chop chop?-
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I'd take you up on that bet!In post 136, Infinity 324 wrote:How much you wanna bet the last page is gin?-
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In a sense.In post 137, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok so you're saying nancy is town cause she doesn't have doubt?-
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We didn't ask you to!In post 139, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not going to blindly sheep you, no matter what your player names are.
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You know the funny thing about lists is that they tend to be in order!In post 145, Tea and Biscuits wrote:Let's say Nancy stopped existing, whom is next on your scum list, and why?-
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Universal hydra consensus is overall tentative town.In post 145, Tea and Biscuits wrote:What's your opinion on Dreal, whom is hovering uselessly in the middle of your list?-
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In post 157, Tea and Biscuits wrote:Don't feel afraid to engage me just because I'm a stranger. I want war dammit!And lo, and behold, on the first day we did have a proclamation made that was of a nature most bold, for in this moment a claim was made, from an unknown entity did come forth and say, "War is the best, and to our enemies we shall bring death!" and yet in the corner did respond a group moving as one. They all spoke their minds in unison as they countered this opinion, for in their wisdom they held true: Their greatest enemy was within their chambers, and first to fall must not be the Majesty's outside foes, for those within would be far more a threat. "No. First we eliminate corruption, and then we will be without need for any one thing, for we shall have gained all in the world at hand."-
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The middle's still town.In post 178, Infinity 324 wrote:If mastin had a read on him, he probably wouldn't be in the middle
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The beautiful thing is we can tell you who is posting without signing just as easily as we can keep you from knowing.In post 194, Almost Chara wrote:I don't know which head I'm talking to.-
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In a sense.In post 224, nancy wrote:I want mastina to talk to me (and I'd like to think that the vote was mastina saying she'd like to talk to me too, but I won't know until I get a response).
That vote was me thinking that--while you have admittedly said you were changing your playstyle--I think that this game isn't a product of a changed style, but rather, just you being scum.
Gin, however, wanted to talk to you and I figured I'd let him do so. We don't agree on everything, we certainly don't use the same reasoning, but by and large we tend to have already formed a dynamic where we'll not interfere with each other and largely avoid redundancy. Of course, that could change, but if our luck holds we'll keep it like this the whole game. (Which would be neat.) We tend to just naturally ~know~ what we need to say and what we don't need to say.
I don't need to engage you much because Gin took on that. Gin's engaging you on things different than what I would be, but the reasons aren't what matter; the push is the important part.-
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Mate, if you think that was an example of us asking, you've got another thing coming.In post 243, Infinity 324 wrote:
138 seems like asking me toIn post 231, The Wood Cutters wrote:
We didn't ask you to!In post 139, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not going to blindly sheep you, no matter what your player names are.
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(apologies for annoying format, all you probably need to do here is search for your name and respond)
As always, if you have a compelling reason to want me to sign my posts, then I will.
I think as a whole we're against signing for reasons that are equal parts logic and stubbornness.
Why were you pushing Drealmer seriously here?In post 26, Tea and Biscuits wrote:I'm not gonna lie dreal I'm legit scumreading you already here
-- Postie
Why did Postie's push look town to you?In post 42, drealmerz7 wrote:interesting, what is it based on then? (you're wrong, btw, but hey the way you came to the read so far gets you townpings)
Don't think that this should be a worry of yours; our hydra will likely be a top poster by far and while I won't spam to the extent that I normally will I'd still like each of us to feel free to post when we need to post. Having someone else with a high postcount will help me feel guilty; it will also erase any worries that I have of you hiding behind your hydra partner!In post 48, Tea and Biscuits wrote:Also If I post to much. It's because I play much shorter games. Said SuperJack.
What kind of experience in playing mafia do you have?
In post 50, Tea and Biscuits wrote:viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70047
^dreal was scum for the first 75 pages of this before the game was rerolled. I felt like some of how he was playing here felt a bit like his play there. I haven't seen his town game before so it's nothing particularly solid, but it felt enough like scum-aggression that I was willing to go with it. And then 29 is terrible and the main reason I'm scumreading dreal now.
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I don't think that him accusing you of scumreading him here as a way of overcompensating on him fooling you past is something that's deserving of a scumread; I'm with you when you say that it's probably completely wrong, but not sure where you get from wrong to scum.
I liked this clarification.In post 53, Tea and Biscuits wrote:
Wait no that's not quite what I meant. It's more the trollishness I guess idk something just feels a bit fake and wrong in the same way it did there.In post 50, Tea and Biscuits wrote:scum-aggression
-- Postie
I disliked the comparison at first because the "scum-aggression" comment was pretty much completely off-base; I can understand the trollishness seeming a bit fake and a bit wrong, but that's typically drealmer's early game in a nutshell (regardless of alignment or circumstance).
It's a shame that I saw this post on page 10In post 63, drealmerz7 wrote:if anyone TRs anyone before page 10, I'm going to vote them!
Again, I don't disagree with you, but this seems pretty typical as far as drealmer goes.In post 66, Tea and Biscuits wrote:Trying to dismiss my read as me being fucking dumb enough to use "I townread you in another game where you were scum and I'm townreading you here so you must be scum here" as actual reasoning isn't even close to trying to understand my thought process.
-- Postie
I completely understand this sentiment (and Postie, if you feel like I'm dismissing your read on him in any way whatsoever then let me know - I do seem to get sucked into defending drealmer early game pretty often because he has the magical power of getting himself lynched early game). I understand less why you just left it at this instead of trying to end it; guessing that laziness was the answer but shit even being more specific on what you were talking about or asking Postie to give him space would have been more productive than this.In post 76, Wraith wrote:I feel like I've seen this episode a hundred times
Being that it's Page 4, I don't find that it's very likely that scum players would be worried about walking back on their opinions later; I do, however, find it pretty natural for a townie to be pretty unsure of the state of the game at this point. I don't like this post in general because it's an opportunistic vote on an easy wagon for reasons that are tenuous at best.In post 97, Börk Börk wrote:I'm on board with a VOTE: Drealmerz
What really pinged me was his last post where he goes 'if x is scum... but if x is town...'
I feel like that wishy-washyness is a very easy way for scum to still be free to create an opinion on T&B in order to appease everyone. Like, if people end up scumreading him then drealmerz can sway that way and hop on, but if he's going to be universally townread then he can appease town by agreeing with that read instead. I feel like the phrasing of his statement is rather iffy in itself too.
This post is also bad.
I agree that it would helpful for Chara to answer why it voted Drealmer, but your case and confident declaration of Chara being scum is overplayed.In post 108, Prism wrote:Scum are Chara
I'm excited to be playing with you again too!In post 109, Prism wrote:This is irrelevant to the game but as a side note I've been out of action for what feels like too long due to real life circumstances. It's good to be back and devoting my full energy again after having it first diverted then outright stolen by outside circumstances. There are a lot of familiar names here and I'm excited to play with all of you once again. I will hold nothing back.
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And actually, going a little more in depth with the Prism case:
Some people early game make playful posts; criticizing the post because of it had a smiley instead of making a post that was clearly intended not to give pressure instead seems like a pretty strong reach to me.In post 108, Prism wrote:The ;> here is playful but completely negates any pressure they might have been trying to place. I question the intent behind even posting here.
The initial vote on drealmer made it fairly obvious that there wasn't any teeth in the push in the first place; your assertion that the "never change" and a vote swap has to imply town read is not a great one.In post 108, Prism wrote:The followup here lacks any sort of clarification as to the intent behind the original vote. The "never change" accompanied by a vote swap implies a town read via meta, but it lacks any kind of teeth. When the original post immediately negates its own pressure, I doubt the usefulness of the 3 posts as adequate to get a grasp on "same old town drealm"
The last post is why it would be useful to talk about Not Chara in that Not Chara's assertion that its vote on me has something to do with drealmerz seems pretty baseless on the face of things. Doing something that doesn't really have a strong town motivation isn't really a big deal when there's not a strong reason for scum to do it either. I don't understand why you automatically think that Drealmer is town from this interaction in a world where Not Chara is scum; would regard a bad attempt as scumhunting as just that and wouldn't use it to determine any alignment but the scumhunter's.In post 108, Prism wrote:Skeptical of this claim. As mentioned previously, the interaction here with drealmerz is odd and appears to be settling for very little. Your statement implying that you were trying to fish for reactions or speculation seems to contradict the statement that you left enough for us to extrapolate that it was something about him. Are you testing people's alignments or how perceptive they are? At worst, I think your vote change was scummy in the sense that you already full well know drealm is town, at best you're testing something that correlates very little with alignment with no clear reason for doing so.-
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The only restrictions theme games currently have (and they only exist because Aristophanes said that they would, they're qualified as "Bastard" mechanics which moderators have to warn players about before the game begins) are moderator lies and moderator influence. This means that if your role PM says that you're a doctor who succeeds 100% of the time, you're a doctor who succeeds 100% of the time, and Aristophanes randomized roles and didn't pick and choose who he wanted to play scum and who he wanted to play town.In post 121, Tea and Biscuits wrote:Question, I've not played a closed setup before.
Is there any certain setup restrictions or pasterns or whatnot they follow?
Because from what Prism has said there is three scum?
And neutrals are possible?
As far as informal expectations go, this is Aristophanes's first game and there's nothing that stands out horribly much in the opening posts of the game, which means that we'll probably be looking at fairly standard roles (Miller fits in pretty okay with that), but we are almost certainly dealing with three scum here and it's doubtful we're looking at a third party/neutral unless it's a Serial Killer.-
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I agree that it's not likely to be a question that leads anywhere, but I'm not sure how nancy was supposed to approach that post if it bothered her; asking Postie to talk about it (even though she probably won't be able to provide anything interesting) seems like a way that's more likely to generate discussion than quoting it and calling it bad or not posting about it at all.In post 109, Prism wrote:Rereading nancy it wasn't as bad as I thought but post #100 in particular sticks out to me as a question unlikely to lead anywhere but coming more for the sake of it.
Puffing yourself up to make your case scarier than it actually is also detracts from the validity of it.In post 122, Prism wrote:Simply talking gets you nowhere until it gains teeth.
Going to veer offtopic slightly for a small word of warning - I'm an aggressive player, I'm a loud player, and there will probably be some point down the road where I'll be begging you to sheep me on a player because I strongly feel they are town or scum. I don't do this because I expect people to bow down to my almighty reputation, I do it because I believe very strongly in what I say (or am faking like I am); I wouldn't play this game if I didn't take it entirely too seriously so please don't mistake passion for arrogance.In post 139, Infinity 324 wrote:
EBWOPIn post 137, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok so you're saying nancy is scum cause she doesn't have doubt? Doubt on what?
I'm not going to blindly sheep you, no matter what your player names are.
But why is necessary to leave yourself room to flipflop on page 4? Do you not think it's reasonable to change a read that was originally given on page 4?In post 143, Börk Börk wrote:really facilitates any subsequent flip-flopping either way
I like this response for the most part.In post 151, nancy wrote:So, blah blah, first of all, you haven't yet engaged with my slot in a meaningful way. Your approach here is pure rhetoric. Second of all, you're pushing a narrative that holds only a semblance of truth. Your reads (including the one on me, yes, well selected) sucking have little to do with my vote. Your lack of hesitance in handing out town labels based on a scarcity of info is mainly what drew me away from drealmer. The only way you can argue to the contrary is by flat out calling me a liar from the get-go, which is.. uh.. well, not a position you have any ground to support yourself on, so that's not gonna end well for you. You scumbuds with dreal, bro?
I disagree in general that handing out town reads early is something that's scummy in any sense of the word; giving out reads early game is in general for the sake of transparency, at least when I do them. I tend to focus on getting things out there, pulling on threads as much as I can early even though I'm generally pretty aware that 90% of those reads won't matter dick five pages later, but generally putting that out there can generate responses that lead to the good stuff (and there is just as much merit in making people comfortable as there is as making them uncomfortable).
I made that comment before you were even born.In post 169, Prism wrote:I don't know if this is coincidental or if Nacho took inspiration but I'm amused.
Why were you waiting for my entrance in order to read us? The Gin post you noted seemed like a good opportunity to pressure, get a read.
This is an absurdly early time to get plugging away on something like this, but I'd appreciate it if you posted it anyways - would help my read on you quite a bit if it looked genuine enough.In post 218, ThinkMomo wrote:Okay, Almost is getting scummier by the second. I have some post flip analysis depending.
There are plenty of ways to catch you out, but that doesn't make you a bad lynch if you look scummy (it's typically not worth it to out those roles you note in order to confirm you town and only a select few of the roles you can actually confirm you as town). Why did you claim VT, anyways (and if this is a question you'd rather answer later just don't forget about it). I find your original post on us to be pretty obviously disingenuous (maybe mastina knows a ton about you but I certainly don't and from the way you patted Gin on the head you clearly don't respect his ability to read us either), but don't know what you're looking for with that gambit as far as the "reading us" front goes.In post 220, Almost Chara wrote:it's a a bad idea to lynch a VT claim on D1, and especially so when I claimed w/o any pressure. If I'm "anything but" a Tracker, a Watcher, a Neapolitan, a Role Cop, as well as many other roles can catch me in a lie.
Noting that a punctuation case is silly is not pedantic. The case itself, on the other hand, is the very picture of pedantry.In post 224, nancy wrote:Punctuation is indicative of a certain thought process, and at first glance I don't think it's particularly indicative of a town!mastina thought process.-
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So, right now, it seems like your initial approach was that you're Back With a Vengeance Part II and then from there you fizzled out completely shortly after. If your approach was the one that you described to Infinity (making something happen, killing people, etc), then why haven't you tried to read Nancy on anything other than the question that you're convinced had no intent behind it? Why didn't you engage with Gin when he made a post that was iffy? Why didn't you try to talk to the Almost head when they appeared? Do you have any interesting takes on anything or was your plan for today was to pick one fight and then feed on scraps for the rest of the game?In post 167, Prism wrote:Mainly waiting on Nacho to read Wood Cutters, which will likely peeve him slightly and I am a-OK with that. Surf's up.-
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And SuperJack loves readslists so here's one, just for him:
Infinity - I liked what he's picking up on (while he let Prism go too easily, I liked that he pressed it in the first place) and I liked him saying that he wasn't going to sheep us because of our big and scary reputations (seemed like there was genuine emotion behind him pushing back where if he's scum then I expect his approach to us to look different since believing us to be arrogant assholes would be more inclined to push him to manipulate the shit out of us and make us look silly instead of what happened there).
Tea and Biscuits - Postie's entrance is slightly town for me; I don't think her drealmer push is a push with merit (could be right, could be wrong, but the reasons she's pushing it for don't seem alignment indicative to me), but it seems odd to me for her to go all out ballistic trying to mislynch him from the opening when smart scum play is to wait for him to lynch himself.
Almost Chara - I didn't really love Chara's opening but I didn't hate it. I think Almost claiming VT instantly is probably more likely to be a town move (takes away a fakeclaim from scum for basically no reason) although I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary". Might be a stronger townread if I had any idea what he was doing at all.
ThinkMomo - I think that momo's push on Almost Chara for being a lying liar who lies looks pretty genuine. Nothing stood out other than that.
Pine - I'm fairly confident that mastin and Gin have 100% confident reads on him either way. Because I'm not an absolute crazy person, he's in null for me.
PenguinPower - The only reason I knew he posted was because Prism referenced the post he made. Null, find "sewing seeds of confusion" a ridiculous reason for voting but don't really care about a singular vote on a very early page.
Drealmerz - Seems pretty normal so far. I have slight concerns because he doesn't have anything resembling emotional engagement with the game so far, but that too is normal for him (look at me learning from his mistakes!) so I'm inclined to let him do his thing for now.
Bork Bork - Didn't like his vote on the drealmer wagon (didn't make sense). The way he pushed off questioning about it seemed almost too brazen to be coming from scum but that reasoning isn't strong in and of itself.
Prism - Have already gone in depth into this read enough, but the short version is that his Almost Chara case is nine parts fizzle and one part bite, his read on nancy seems lazy if I'm feeling charitable, and still underwhelmed and was expecting some more pizzazz after he made his opening posts about how hyped he was to be in the saddle again.
Empking - Vote on drealmer wagon is bleh, focus on Infinity's miller claim is additionally bleh.
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Main concern with Wraith is the general sense that he hasn't come close to caring about this game even a little bit, which is understandable for ~reasons~, but I'm not sure I would expect the apathy to start immediately when the game hasn't really gotten out of hand at all.
This is something that could be happening because he feels apathetic in general, but I don't like how he didn't make even a cursory effort to engage Postie on her read when he's seen people making a similar mistake many times before. As scum, it's a very going through the motions type of post - he weighs in on the situation but there's nothing more than that.In post 76, Wraith wrote:I feel like I've seen this episode a hundred times
And I don't really understand this reaction at all; how are millers in minis so much as vaguely strange, especially when you have experience with hated dayvigs and lyncher JOATs in a recent-ish theme we've played together?
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I also thought that I included nancy in that readslist, but apparently didn't - she's just below Infinity on the townlist; I've liked her pushback against our slot in particular, but her engagement with pretty much all of the slots that posted things she didn't like seem fairly genuine to me. I'd like to talk to mastina about her a little bit since apparently there's history here, but I think Gin and I are at least on the same page with that read.-
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If Almost genuinely believed that we would figure him out, then claiming early makes absolutely no sense (since we wouldn't let him get run up to claim, presumably). Neither Gin and I have the experience with him that justifies him going "oh you three are so scary" instead "oh mastina you're so scary".In post 262, Infinity 324 wrote:
Why not? It definitely read that way to me.In post 258, The Wood Cutters wrote:I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary"
I don't think you guys are arrogant, I just didn't like that gin wanted me to vote nancy and wasn't really explaining why.-
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And I don't mean to be an ass but we're long past RVS and we're past page 10 - why are you still caught up on the miller claim for pretty much no reason whatsoever?In post 267, Wraith wrote:Dunno. I've only vaguely been following along the past two days since I hate RVS, but planned to catch back up after we hit 10 pages.-
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Regarding mastina and I, we got gut reads on Pine and they're usually instantaneous. Strong gut based off of experience really. Nacho doesn't have that experience, ergo null. Makes sense really.
I imagine a follow up would be, why aren't we pressing Pine if we think he's scum? It's because there is 1 post and nothing to actually press on with. For lack of a better term, there are more pressing matters at this time while we wait for content by Pine.
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In post 286, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I have this weird shaky feeling that Almost is town.
Btw for lolz, that was Nacho you just quoted >_>
I am failure.In post 287, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
LOLIn post 285, Wraith wrote:Spoiler: Stream-Of-Consciousness Wall
Right now I could go for Bork, Nancy, AC, or T&B about in that order.
Since this already has some footing:
VOTE: nancy
Hello there Large 200, how ya doing?
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In case you forget how to do those wall posts like you did there, here's your ISO for a refresher
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I checked the history on it and I honestly believe it.In post 290, Infinity 324 wrote:
Also, Edward V is supposed to be a miller cause he was never crowned officially.In post 271, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't see why a real claim wild make more flavor sense than a fakeclaim. But I don't really know the flavor
I don't see Infinity pulling gambits and I also don't see Infinity claiming Miller, and if it was a fake claim, being able to come up with a king that fit so well with describing a miller-esqe description. All the while you don't forget that claiming flavor leads to the possibility of being counterclaimed or disproven.
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Piggybacking off of what Infinity just said, why is it you vote nancy instead of AC?In post 285, Wraith wrote:Spoiler: Stream-Of-Consciousness Wall
Right now I could go for Bork, Nancy, AC, or T&B about in that order.
Since this already has some footing:
VOTE: nancy
If your first choice is Bork, yet you vote nancy, showing you don't care about the actual order of who you want dead, why go for nancy if she has like 1 or 2? votes and AC is at L-3, putting them at L-2?-
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