NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[TheUnderachivers]

Besides, I hear you're bad spellers >_>

Shadup ya meany. *cry*

vote hydras

VOTE: The UnderAchivers

You know there's like 5 hydras in this game right?

but ya'll are doing it wrong. Otterhorse is the correct vote. Its my little

pony

vote:otter

horse

[TheUnderachivers]

If Mastin leaves me again this game I'm gonna be soooooooo piseed.

gonna wait to see if Tammy/SAD are going somewhere.....

[TheUnderachivers]

errr nm, read wrong.

[TheUnderachivers]

This game is not just moving...

Then do something to make it move, silly!

Like me. Mastin's here, you've got nothing to fear. (Well, 'less you're scum. )

[TheUnderachivers]

Page one--Titan's town.
The BT-Bulbazak exchange is incredibly town.

ArcAngel is scum--why vote our hydra, specifically? We weren't the only hydra to have not posted, yet there was hydras who had posted. Why not a vote on Reek or Titan?
OtterHorse looks scum. Forcing heads to claim has always been something I've despised, and quite frankly, I don't think I've seen a town player ask for it. (Granted, it doesn't happen often.)
Titan's seriously, seriously town.
Also, kinda sorta have a weak townread on Robo.

[TheUnderachivers]

Speaking of Otter being scum, Nero is a scumhunting god.
His word is the gospel, and The Lord says,
Let there be votes for OtterHorse!

[TheUnderachivers]

Page two--Reeks kiiiiiinda scummish, though not much.
Serapaladin, however, is uber-town.
I really think one of Reek and AA9 are scum, but I don't think both are.
Marangal can join the scum pile.
BT's been bumped to null. The posts on page two aren't good, though overall I still think null-town.

[TheUnderachivers]

TAM might be scum, here.

[TheUnderachivers]

UA, AA9 voting for you is not a good reason to believe she is scum. That is null at best. And having played with her before, she is playing incredibly town here.

AA9 scumread is gut. Voting for a hydra is one thing. Voting for a hydra when they've done nothing to distinguish themselves from the other hydras, with the justification of it being a hydra, is entirely another. Voting for a hydra for being a hydra and giving an additional reason for why

that

hydra would be fine, but that's not what happened. It shows potentially-selective-scumhunting. Hence, the callout on AA9 being scum.

OtterHorse looks scum. Forcing heads to claim has always been something I've despised, and quite frankly, I don't think I've seen a town player ask for it. (Granted, it doesn't happen often.)

Why is scum more likely to do that?

BT's been bumped to null. The posts on page two aren't good, though overall I still think null-town.

What isn't good?

Scum are more likely to do it because scum are all I've seen do it?
I said as much in the post. I've seen people call out anonymous hydras and demanding them to claim. Every time, my memory has them as being scum. It's not a scenario which happens often (since anonymous hydras are a rarity and people calling them out even moreso), but I've seen it done multiple times by scum. It's basically a scum-motivated question. What does a town player gain from knowing who's in a hydra? Meta doesn't apply to hydras, so it can't be that.
What does a scum player gain from knowing who's in a hydra? How competent that player is, and therefore how much of a threat they are.

Mastin, are you scum?

I think the ArcAngel bit is joking, but I'm not sure. Confirm or deny?

I don't get the townvibes you're getting from Titan either. Clarify please.

I'm never scum.
The AA9-bit was as mentioned serious. Not as strong as I made it sound, but not as weak as you seem to think.
The Titan townvibes are pretty dang obvious; they're bleeding town with every single post.

[TheUnderachivers]

Oh. Forgot this. The bad posts from BT:

Because town do also do it sometimes "for the lols" or "for reactions, derp". Which is why scum feel that they can get away with it and why it needs to be forcibly eradicated. I don't mind whether you call it a policy lynch or just a lynch if that makes you feel better but it is a pro-scum move that should be punished with a lynch.

ChannelDelibird, ChannelDelibird, it rhymes with ChannelDeliturd.

It's not as horribly anti-town as you're making it out to be. Are you one of those players that go "PL PL" over something meh like this instead of useless and/or consistently anti-town play as a whole?

It wasn't until your next post that you voted for yourself, which makes your self vote look like a self conscious attempt to not vote someone else.

Don't get this. Why is this true as a second post and not as a first post?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bulbazak

Bad vote, bad logic, questioning Titan who is a townread.

I was talking from your PoV.

Are you calling me opportunistic on page 2?

Pretty self-explanatory.

It's not much, but it weakened the townread I had on ya.

[TheUnderachivers]

2) What? Why should she not vote you? Seriously, scum motivation for her voting of you, please and thank you.

We have a town PM. Scum motive for voting us found.

(In all seriousness--I've explained it. Potentially-selective-scumhunting. In the sense that she might have been singling out a player [us] while ignoring others.)

[TheUnderachivers]

Also, this is a classic catch-22.
People ask for reasons on AA9.
Give none, I'm scum.
Give them, I'm still scum.

I already told you the read wasn't strong.

[TheUnderachivers]

What does a town player gain from knowing who's in a hydra? Meta doesn't apply to hydras, so it can't be that.
What does a scum player gain from knowing who's in a hydra? How competent that player is, and therefore how much of a threat they are.

This.
There's no town info to be gained from learning who a member of a hydra is.
There is scum info to be gained from learning who a member of a hydra is.

[TheUnderachivers]

Anyone who can see and read can you tell you that my vote was a harmless RVS vote. I just randomly started with vote hydras and chose your becuz i know you.. that was it.

And that was all I needed to hear. The reason you chose

our

hydra over any others.

Scumread revoked, you can be town now.

[TheUnderachivers]

Gah, if it's not me, it's Mastin. Getting mislynched on day 1 in our first two games? This a bad way to start our hydra.

[TheUnderachivers]

Meta doesn't apply to hydras because literally anyone who's been in a hydra knows that their partner influences their play.
For instance--I model my play a lot off of the member I'm hydra'ing with--in this case, mirroring how Nero posts only with less derogatory curse words.

The only meta applicable to a hydra is meta from that hydra's previous games if you know the members are the same. Otherwise, it's useless.
Posting styles and the like are something you can observe from the hydra. Like, you know we're a spamposter. You'd know that if you knew Nero's/myself's styles, but you'd not need to know we're Nero/Mastin to know this; you'd know it because the evidence is right there in front of you.
You'd know, say, a lurker-hydra because they're lurking; knowing the members inside lurk just tells you that with an extra step.

As I said, it accomplishes literally nothing as town.
But as scum...it DOES do something, via letting you know how badly that player needs to be nightkilled.

[TheUnderachivers]

I've never enjoyed ArcAngel9. Discuss

she's ok. Her game needs some work but I'd rather play with her than a lot of the players on this site.

[TheUnderachivers]

could you guys use some sign.. i sometimes i have no clue..if the hydra is nero or mastin2

I use smileys, Nero doesn't.
Well, uses 'em less often, anyway.

And that's a GOOD thing that you can't tell the difference. That's the whole point of my posting.

If I need to go all Mastin on ya to stop us from being mislynched, I will, but otherwise, I'm posting as close as I can get to being Nero for the time being. At this stage in the game, it's for the best.

[TheUnderachivers]

Do whatever it takes to stop these Dumbo's from mislynching us.

[TheUnderachivers]

Also, with two people in the same Hydra posting without distinction, how the hell is that pro-town?

Gets a sense of unity. Makes you feel like you're dealing with one player rather than two. Dunno, really.

How the hell is it anti-town to not be able to distinguish between two players in the same slot? They have the same role, they share the same alignment, that's all you need to know. Who posted what is irrelevant. The important piece is that it was posted.

This is also exactly why knowing who makes up a hydra is worthless.

As I said. Town reason, none.
Scum reason, lets 'em know who to eliminate.

[TheUnderachivers]

That's seriously all you've gotten out of the game so far? Please explain.

This is good.

Forgot to mention earlier that Keyblade was scum, and it was for pretty much this.

[TheUnderachivers]

Its a hydra, not an alt.

Your stated reason (knowing activity) is absolute bullshit. As town and as scum equally, I have neglected posting as a hydra. Not for any strategic reason. Because I just plain didn't feel like posting in the hydra for that day, a luxury that I don't have as a normal player but as a hydra (with a partner covering for me) that I do.

So try again. What strategic value for town is there in knowing who's in a hydra?

Vote stays.

[TheUnderachivers]

@ UA why are you so nervous about being lynched?

Not nervous, but annoyed at the prospect of being a potential. You need only look here for why.

At least we're not Palisade!

[TheUnderachivers]

Heck. As a hydra, I've been lynched for my partner vanishing on me, and have even vanished on my partner before. As both town and scum. (At least one in the cursed hydra Palisade. No, seriously, read any game it was in; we had horrible luck. )
Head activity (i.e., which head is posting) has no relevance to alignment of the hydra.

[TheUnderachivers]

meh, I'm going to get on this tomorrow.

[TheUnderachivers]

For the record--unlike Nero, there is only one policy lynch I will EVER accept:
A policy lynch on scum.

To which, {Keyblade, MS Maran, OtterHorse, maybe-Reek, TAM} are all good bets.

[TheUnderachivers]

*And Metal Overlord as well. Posting there has been iffy at best.

[TheUnderachivers]

How am I scum, underachievers

Because your role PM says so, silly.

[TheUnderachivers]

BT's 35 is really strange. He's telling Reek that what Bulb did isn't so anti-town but then he's agreeing with Titan that Bulb is scum. Total cong dis.

I read the same way as Rach Marie the first time. She's right about hydra's not always being town so it was an obvious joke but I guess I could see scum jumping on what looks like a terrible post.

I totally get where Mastin is coming from. Arc voting for our hydra specifically is selective scumhunting. Selective scumhuning

is

a scumtell. But since its RVS I disagree with my other head.

RE hydra meta: Meta in general isn't the say all be all of scumhunting. I think one of my favorite examples is when Mastin called AP town in Harry Potter based on meta. I think meta on a hydra is difficult but I guess it can be used but like with any meta it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Read through page 5 so far.

[TheUnderachivers]

Dammit, I keep on forgetting that I'm actually in a New York game again.

Anyway--

Mod: The Mastin-half of our hydra is going to be V/LA for an extended period of time.

Weekend V/LA, surgery prep on Monday, surgery on Tuesday, and recovery for approximately a week after that, which puts the V/LA ending some time in the first week or so of April.

I'll do what I can to not let Nero get mislynched d1 again, butyeah. Something you need to know.

[TheUnderachivers]

Wrong one!!

ugh. Sorry for the recent activity. Gimmie till tomorrow to catch up, with my death in one game my time is freed up.

[TheUnderachivers]

Wrong one!!

ugh. Sorry for the recent activity. Gimmie till tomorrow to catch up, with my death in one game my time is freed up.

[TheUnderachivers]

You guys know Key is scum right?

vote:key

[TheUnderachivers]

UA WTF??? What is your reasoning

keys ISO is mainly fluff posting and active lurking. Why are you so defensive here?

[TheUnderachivers]

Zoraster comes across as genuine

Au contraire, imo he comes across forced and artificial as hell.

Where you calling otter scummy?

[TheUnderachivers]

Zoraster comes across as genuine

Au contraire, imo he comes across forced and artificial as hell.

Where you calling otter scummy?

could yoy please answer this so I can finish up my post?

[TheUnderachivers]

Is this post you're working on full of aggressiveness and questions to people? Because I that Nero, this sideline sort of passive Nero is making me feel twitchy, especially after mastin's mehness.

yes deary

@Sad I just had to make sure you were calling Zoro scum, apparently not using the word scummy means you don't find it scummy.

[TheUnderachivers]

Let the alt think what he wants. Anyone with half a brain knows that I'm actually pretty darn good. I mean yeah, I'm pretty disappointed in myself that I'm having a hard time getting into this game. I promised Tammy a post where I'd yell at folks and I fully intend to see that through.

[TheUnderachivers]

Let the alt think what he wants. Anyone with half a brain knows that I'm actually pretty darn good. I mean yeah, I'm pretty disappointed in myself that I'm having a hard time getting into this game. I promised Tammy a post where I'd yell at folks and I fully intend to see that through.

[TheUnderachivers]

The Underarchivers have been prodded

What the hell, Nero. >:(

My last post in here was the last post I made on whichever page that happened to be, soyeah, head not in the game.

I continue to be V/LA

thanks to my dog dieing and am in no shape for this game atm. You'll have to live with Nero for at least another three days, maybe longer depending on how mentally fit I am to play mafia. (Hint--right now, not very.)

[TheUnderachivers]

Its the RainbowDash alt. No wonder its so horrible. Who are these other players that are "posting next to nothing"?

I totally get where Mastin is coming from. Arc voting for our hydra specifically is selective scumhunting.

It is not, I have explained this to you before. You have been unnecessarly pulling this out for no reason. Not good at all

I said that I get where Mastin is coming from not that I agree with him.

Why is Mastin's willing to policy lynch scummy but Rainbows moaning about a policy lynching townie?

[TheUnderachivers]

yes and?

[TheUnderachivers]

MS:

Hi pls remove the votes on me pls else I will get lynched


VOTE: TUA

save my ass pls ty 12 hours and a poor townie will get lynched

considering none of you responded to my longpost yet its not really fair to vote me

look at scum try to fill my mouth with words.

vote:MO

if it makes you feel better you can call it on OMGUS.

[TheUnderachivers]

MO is probably town based on his extremely obvious desire to not get lynched

This is a null tell at best. I don't want to get lynched so by your own logic I'm town. Anyways I'll post more when I get back.

[TheUnderachivers]

But you also have to take into the account the way he did it. I know it's lame, but his reaction "felt" town.

So he sheeped part of Otter's reasoning and then called me scum when all he was really doing is voting me so he didn't get lynched. Yeah I don't see that as town 'cause if he was town he'd have no reason to hide his agenda.

i rather vote Robo or TUA today, both of them are bad in this game.

This is why there are some people on this site that don't think you're very good. Your being OMGUSy (on me) and it really blows. Mastin

was

right that your voting this hydra is selective but it was RVS so I don't think it was any kind of tell. I know you get offended when people wrongly accuse you but you should stop grudging on Mastin for putting a crap vote on you and kill MOscum today.

[TheUnderachivers]

lol I'm pointing out your town meta. But I've said over and over again that *I* don't think you are a bad player. Take a chill pill.

[TheUnderachivers]

no, I've said over and over that I disagree.

[TheUnderachivers]

But Mastin should be back soonish so you can ask him, Angel.

[TheUnderachivers]

But Mastin should be back soonish so you can ask him, Angel.

[TheUnderachivers]

Really TUA needs to die right about now. His vote on MO basically is nail in the coffin, its exceedingly blatant self-preservation and OMGUS when you consider that he haddent even mentioned MO was back on page 8 for having "iffy posting".

@Nero head - Do you think being selective on who you call tells on is a scumtell?

I do, do you?

MO's vote was straight up scum and I called him on it.

[TheUnderachivers]

Really TUA needs to die right about now. His vote on MO basically is nail in the coffin, its exceedingly blatant self-preservation and OMGUS when you consider that he haddent even mentioned MO was back on page 8 for having "iffy posting".

@Nero head - Do you think being selective on who you call tells on is a scumtell?

I do, do you?

MO's vote was straight up scum and I called him on it.

[TheUnderachivers]

I mean, why didnt you vote Antilles there? TAM?

Damned if I do, dammed if I don't?

kbw, TAM, Ant...regardless of who I voted you'd of said the same thing. But honestly? I saw someone say something about KBW, I isoed him and that was terrible and wanted that dead. Its the truth but you are aren't going to believe me anyways so w/e.

[TheUnderachivers]

but why so adamant about TUA not being lynched

probally 'cause scum MO and Klick are voting us.

@Otter-Well if you think that selective scumhunting is a scumtell then your own logic says that you are scum 'cause MO's vote was straight up scum trying to survive.

God dammit. Get your vote off us Angel. I know your only voting us 'cause you misread my statement as me calling you a bad player but I didn't.

[TheUnderachivers]

Oh well, if you cant beat them, join them.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Underachievers and proud of it

look, another lil' scumbutt + proof that I'm town.

[TheUnderachivers]

TUA might actually be scum too, but they're at least pretending like they're playing and we can maybe get them tomorrow.

naw. I'll do some yelling later on about how we should be killing MO or Klick.

MO or Key today, don't care wich as they are both scum.

vote: Key

[TheUnderachivers]

Hey TUA, why is KBW scum?

He's scum for the same reason that anyone is ever scum on this site; he was sent a scum pm by the mod.

But his ISO and the fact the you two knuckleheads are unwilling to lynch him makes me think he's scum. I've never played with Key before, some folks are saying he's always like this so yeah that's nullish I guess but his playstyle is so unhelpful. Lets kill it.

@MS-maybe. Is TAM playing in other games?

[TheUnderachivers]

You know what one of the best ways to avoid suspicion is? Lurk it out. Key was under an intense amount of pressure and instead of answering for it he ran away.

[TheUnderachivers]

I would vote KWB but he just posted that he is V/LA this week and if not back needs to be replaced, so we won't get anything more out of him.

VOTE: Underachivers
^

L-2

The Mastin2 head of The Underarchivers is V/LA until at least the end of March. I would appreciate a status update by then, Mastin.

Explain the difference between KBW being V/LA and mastin2 being V/LA.

[TheUnderachivers]

btw, Mastin, here.

I'll worry about what I want to worry about, and right now that's a pair of people who are being purposefully obstructionist to the town's understanding of the game. And there's a difference between them being scummy and being anti-town. One is an indication of alignment. The other is an indication of being hurtful to town. He is definitely the latter. He may be the former. But scummy is a lot harder to read than anti-town at this point in the game.

NO

NO

RAINBOW THIS IS DUMB.

I MEAN YOU KNOW IT'S DUMB TOO.

This is literally pretty much exactly where I am atm. I'm reading (skimming, actually) stuff, but it's more as a spectator than as a player for the most part. Don't really remember pretty much any of my reads except that OtterHorse was scum.

And it's stuff like this which proves it--RBD

isn't

stupid. A competent player being stupid is an incredibly reliable scumtell. It makes ignorant people who don't know better assume they're being dumb-town. Granted, yes--as scum, you can legitimately do stupid stuff without faking. Granted, yes--as town, you can legitimately do stupid stuff. But this from RBD is not stupid-town. It's obfuscation via stupidity. After I'm more caught up, I can try elaborating on this if you can't tell the difference.

[TheUnderachivers]

Oh yeah!

Ok, just finished reading the thread over, will move onto ISOs in a second for more accurate reads, but so far Under and Antilles are seeming scummy, though a decent part of that is simply because of the position on anonymous Hydras. This isn't an anonymous game, if it were, I have no problems, however, it isn't, so get with the program. Titan leas scum slightly, but I could easily see them coming back. HD is definitely town, could just be since I got him lynched ftl in my last game, but I doubt it. BT, Robo, and AA also seem to be town, but I'd like to see more from the latter and Klick. I believe everybody else reads neutral, or at least I didn't notice anything in particular, including with TAM. From what I understand, it's a playstyle, and while unlikely, it is possible to just not have opinions. Perhaps the ISO will say differently?

@Mod, I unvoted HD long, long ago, and changed to Under.

I am strongly in favor of Policy lynches. To me, if you have the time for it, a policy lynch should be a way to hit the people who are hard to read, and who you wouldn't be able to tell normally. You eliminate them, provided nobody else seems to be scum more then them, on the off chance that they are scum. However, in this game, outside of Key, TAM, or Antilles, I don't see any options, and aside from Key, I don't think any options are really good.

Also, on a final note, LOL at my other head complaining about quality. You're not one to talk, shush.

I also had a Metal Overlord scumread.

[TheUnderachivers]

Bulb town is something I also seem to remember.
Dunno what I read HD as before, but this makes him town.

[TheUnderachivers]

Spoiler: Lynch it with FIRE

Antilles

: Wow, post more, like, a lot more, and claim pl0x. I mean, I suppose the few posts you have aren't that bad, but the style seems that of a person who'd talk a lot more. Also, I really dislike the part about you not claiming heads. Scum lean for now.

ArcAngle

: Still seems town as before. They make sense (lol), they pulled the thing with Under off very well, and their points/questions are decent. Once again, some more content would be nice, but I'm saying Town.

BT

: Decently active, and they have a couple of good posts, so my town read remains. One thing I'd like to ask though is how their process of thought regarding Bulbazak went, but otherwise looks pretty good, I'd say Town.

Bulbazak

: I'm going to be going with a Town read for Bulba here. I found the self vote to be pretty much a null read, and everything else they've done suggests town. They seem to have made good use of the self vote to get information, something which I doubt would have been done if they were scum and faking it to avoid a vote. Also, they took the suspicion in stride, another point towards town.

HD

: Town. Nothing more to say here.

Keybladewielder

: I think I said this already, but really not much to go on, but what there is is pretty bad. Can't tell if just an extremely bad player or scum, would make a good policy lynch.

Klick

: I kinda dislike how twice you mention the same thing with no change it two posts, and that combined with low activity in general, but for the small amount of posts you point out some decent stuff, and this is pretty congruent with how you played in our last game. So Leans Town for now, but post more, alright?

Ms Marangal

: Despite saying quite a bit, I'm really not feelings much from them. What they've said is pretty bland, and seems kinda limited in content, with nothing else giving me a particular feeling towards them. I think I'd have to read them as Neutral for now.

OttarHorse

: I agree with them on most everything they've said. However, that alone isn't reason to read them town, and considering that what they've said, while not limited to, is mainly about a few particular subjects, I think they could do better. However, I don't see anything particularly pointing towards the contrary, so I'll say Leans Town.

RachMarie

: Apparently they're scummy, but I'm not really seeing such. I'm afraid there's really not much to comment on, as I don't gain anything in particular from the majority of their comments. So, I suppose I'll go with a Neutral read for now, but I'd like to see more, as I get a feeling they're town.

Reek

Unless I somehow missed it, they've done literally nothing but say that self-voting has no town value, implied RVS is important, and said Bulbazak should be policy lynched. Since I disagree with those things, and because of shear lack of quantity, Leans Scum.

Robocopter87

: They haven't really said anything of value, and I disagree with just about everything they've said concerning how the game should be played (which, really, is all they've said with the exception, I believe, of one vote.) For some reason I want to call them Town, however, I have to say based on fact alone, they Lean Scum.

SerraPaladin

: While individually his post all look pretty good, and I certainly understand what he says, one specific thing that strikes me is a remark made about that there are things to comment on, following by a relative lack of commenting on things. Also, limited talk about other payers, and limited posts in general, are off-putting. In light of recent posts, the lack of content seems even more noticeable. So Leans Scum.

TheActingMethod

: I maintain what was said about them, that they don't ring particularly scummy. More content would, as always, be appreciated, or even a little relevant content if nothing else. Especially if this is a meta thing, and not a tell, I'd like to know if it changes. If so, perhaps pursue better options until that time? So, in light of Meta, I'd say Neutral, though consider for Policy Lynch if it isn't something which changes.

TheUnderachievers

: I don't think I like a single post that they've made. I dislike their positions on issues, and find them anti-town at best. It seems like the majority of their posts are worthless, or dealing with hydra, and those that aren't I dislike the content of. Really, if they're competent, I have to say they're scum, and if they aren't, well, why keep them around? I think they could redeem themselves, but it's unlikely. Plus, the whole deal I've already expressed my opinions on . . . yeah Scum.

Titan

: I am really disliking them, simply due to quality and style. I assume that the cerulean post was by them? All the same, reading over, I strongly dislike that lack of anything productive starting out, and as it goes on, while there is quite a bit, reading it over, I still find it as though I'm lacking anything detailed about their thoughts. Despite a lot being present, a paragraph long answers in many cases, I feel as though I don't understand they why. Regarding the wall, I did read it, but I left feeling genuinely meh about the content. Perhaps it thing could be simplified? Leans Scum.

This probably would have looked better if I had done it immediately after the last post, but hey, it's my first day of spring break, and I did other stuff, I regret nothing.
@Bulbazak, anything else you'd like to add, or you done? Nothing? Alright, thanks, tell me if there is.
@HD:

MS why are you so bad at this game

Don't ask me, ask him. I have no clue, however, it's true, hence the statement in my first post.

This is an "omg I'm contenting" post without any real content

Um, actually, the point of the post was to say one night MS approached me and said "Hey, wanna Hydra in this game" and I said yes, provided I don't have to do much. So it's my way of telling everybody else I don't plan on doing much of anything. So the whole point was to say I won't be making any real content. However, following a Sub, a Death, and the lull of inactivity, I now have nothing better to do.
Everything else is so goddamn ignorant I don't regret lynching him as town last game, despite it losing me the game. Also, you said MS was better then me. Those are words to kill over, just saying.

Fucking Hell despite him being my biggest scumread, I really want to vote HD just cause. Instead, I think I'll have to

VOTE: Reek

Ordinarily I'd vote The Underachievers once more, but I feel it won't do much of anything now, Key is AFK, so we need to decide if we policy lynch or not, TAM has enough votes on them iirc, and eliminating those options, I think this vote does the most.

P-EDIT: LOL 20 posts between when I started making this post and the thread now.

Seriously. That post is :scumposting: at its finest.

[TheUnderachivers]

VT.

[TheUnderachivers]

Sorry MS, but Cool Story Bros. Lynch me. I want you all to know what it's like to be wrong. GL mafia, but with this lot, you have nothing to fear.

Cheeky scumbagging at its finest. (Yes, I turned 'cheeky scumbag' into a verb. )

[TheUnderachivers]

I see that my other head has created some... controversy and seems to have trouble appeasing the accusations from... this head's townreads.

This is the Amished tell, only instead of it being for a replacement, it's for the other head of the hydra.

Town hydra in this situation? In their QT, "*partner name*, what the hell have you done?"
Scum hydra in this situation? In-thread, "*partner* screwed up, so I must save them."

Oops.

[TheUnderachivers]

Through 23.

DGB is not giving me warm fuzzy feelings. Her slot might be scum. I'm not getting the town vibe from her posts at all; they seem artificial, forced, cheeky, and overall highly calculated.

[TheUnderachivers]

Shit.

KBW might be town.

VOTE: Metal Overlord.

We can still make this happen, no?

[TheUnderachivers]

Funny story.

I started to iso the players in the list order and started with Reek and went: "whoa scum!" But I'm replacing Reek and wow, he's town.

You guys should have lynched my player slot on page 3.

Hey look

You missed this "Amished Tell"

Quite the opposite. It was this post which sparked my comment. Also...

[TheUnderachivers]

Sadly thats really Key regardless of alignment. He is one of those players that really seems like they dont care/try. For that reason though (as I already said) im beyond fine policy lynching him as I seriously think him dying right here increases our win chances no matter what he flips.

Vote KBW

ABORT!
ABORT!

Abort the KBW wagon NOW.

It's town, Otter's scum.

[TheUnderachivers]

TheLurker looks like scum, Zdenek might be town.
/through 26.

[TheUnderachivers]

VOTE: keybladewielder

This only strengthens it. KBW is town. MO is not. OH is not, either.

[TheUnderachivers]

I'm not fond of the lurker right now. Might be residue from my feelings of TAM, though his opening post rubs me the wrong way.

Why are you getting any feelings from TAM?

Judging from his posts, he was obviously too busy to even play, rendering the whole thing null, maybe a few defenses here and there before he replaced out

. It seems more like an unrelenting tunnel than something you've actually thought about.

You should probably join one of the main two wagons instead of playing obtuse and continuing a rather unbased line of voting.

I'm actually going to keep my vote on Lurker. re-reading, this post here kick's my gut real hard, especially the Bolded, and his latest post doesn't make me feel any better. I realize my vote is Idling on TAM/Lurker though the fact that he had to call that out and tell me to switch to two larger wagons to me, Suggests that he doesn't like having the vote against him.

also, Amish tell anyone?

MS is super-town for this.

[TheUnderachivers]

Have I mentioned that Bulb's town today? (Yes, yes, I have. ) 'Cause, well, he is.
Here is another scum post from Metal Overlord.

[TheUnderachivers]

TUA if you're a PR please say so now b/c I'm really considering voting you.

I wish.
But no. We're VT.

Now lynch MO with us, 'cause KBW is town and that wagon is godawful.

[TheUnderachivers]

I think barring something crazy that we need to decide between lynching Underachivers or Keywieldblader.

Jennifer can join the scum pile, too, for this. Narrowing the lynch to two town players.

[TheUnderachivers]

end of day distancing at its finest

Except, HD, I don't bus. I don't know how Nero plays as scum (you'd have to ask him), but bussing NEVER works out in my favor, so I don't do it. So I'm delivering an ultimatum.

MO and TUA cannot be scum together.
Pick one, run with it. Who is the scum, who is the town.

[TheUnderachivers]

And, yeah. Right now, looks like a MO-DGB-Lurker-Jennifer scumteam.

We can get that MO lynch.

[TheUnderachivers]

I SAW INVITATIONAL 15

Apparently not.

It was Mastin's bussing that made that lynch happen.

Which is why I am never ever ever bussing again even if my partner is incredibly obvscum to me. >_<

And for the record--I'm never bussing again.
Like, seriously.
I don't care if my scumbuddy's scumming up the thread. I don't care if they're obvscum. I don't care if I'm called scum for defending them and we have condemning interactions.
THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN FACING THAT.

This is Mafia on Werewolf Island, only worse. There, I had confirmation it was a second scumteam rather than just my suspicion. (In hindsight...that might make sense. Silencing is in NO circumstances a town power, yet there was still a kill--I being scum, I know you can't both kill and take an action, meaning an anti-town faction possessing a silence and a kill must have two members in order to do both.

That, or the mods are dicks. )

There, I was actually close to lylo.
There, my power actually had use to the town and use to myself.
There, I could kill and use my power.
There, I wasn't actually suspected of being mafia. (Wolf, yeah, but not mafia!)
There, I didn't have the entirety of the game claiming to be a PR of some sort or another.
There, I actually had a clearly-defined plan.
There, I actually had options for claiming.

Here, not so much.

Outside a spoiler for emphasis. Elaboration on why this was SO much worse than that.

(Like, seriously--what the hell was I thinking? Two scumbuddies in fifteen players, and just letting this happen?
Just like in Mafia on Werewolf Island, one got lynched and the other nightkilled, after I had distanced from both.
It didn't do me any good there, it won't do me any good here.

It was stupid, it was suicidal, it was a dumb idea. Not only from a game perspective--but also a meta one. I've built up that not-bussing meta for a while now. People just reading the thread and not the scum QT will point to this game as evidence that I've broken from that. When this game is all the proof I need to reinforce it, but again, people are idiots and won't listen.
What the heck was going through my mind to make me think that this could have possibly ended well at all?)

And, seriously. Reading my /m3 is pathetic.

Also, apologies in advance to you two. I am not a very strong scum player. I was hoping this game I could be town, to show quadz how I've improved. (I'm not quite sure I'm actually on a quadz-blacklist, but the last time I wanted to join a quadz game, he said that he felt I was not healthy to the game's environment. So this game, I was hoping that I could be town in top-form.)

...Nope! Guess I'm not going to show him the new-improved-town-me.

Ah, well. I'll try to fake being the new-improved-town-me. As long as I get reasonably close to succeeding, I shouldn't be deadweight to you two.

/m20 even more so.

[Mastin Note: Message referred to how it felt good being scum in a good position, which we were in at the time.]

But things were still okay, until...
/m28.

Sorry for the bus, Tracey. Don't worry; I don't believe you'll actually get lynched for it. Jake's *probably* going to be mislynched today off of how things are going. If not, we can always kill T-Bone in order to reinforce the Jake-fire.

Everything goes downhill from there. When a fatal flaw in my plan forms:
Assuming my scumbuddy won't get lynched by my bus.
My scumbuddies are ALWAYS lynched by my bus, that's why I stopped bussing! What on earth made me think this game that my bus wouldn't kill Tracey? In a town which actually holds decent respect for my scumhunting capabilities? I mean, yeah. In a town full of vets (especially people who played with Mastin instead of mastin2), me voting my scumbuddy is reason to anti-lynch them as far as the town's concerned because they remember me sucking hardcore.

But in a town which actually sees me as a somewhat-competent scumhunter? IT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH. How the heck didn't I realize this at the time? >_<

*insert motivational poster here, of a rear view mirror:
"HINDSIGHT.
You actually thought that running her over would be a

good

idea?"*

AND HOW THE HELL DID I EVER THINK /m49 WOULD END WELL?

(Yes, I did a weak double-bus. Don't worry. I'm not stupid enough to let said double-bus actually go through. That's bitten me in the ass more times than I'd like to admit.
Neither of you will be lynched today.)

By the way--still think we should strongman AP and block Jake.

I mean, yeah... /m56.

Loving this town.

I offer them a scumbuddy on a silver platter. Jal's right there with me.

...And they're not taking me up on the offer.

If you ever flip scum, Tracey, we can pretty much mislynch entirely from the Maestro wagon and reason that there HAD to be scum protecting you today.

[Mastin Note: The bolded is primarily what we were aiming for, and therefore what I was talking about--a sound idea

in theory

, but in practice...WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING?!?]

We had a good thing going. Had the Maestro lynch gone through, our plan would have been golden. TRUE GOLDEN, NOT SILENCED GOLDEN, THANKYOUVERYMUCH.

If Maestro was mislynched d1, then we would have had been in an excellent position--we could have afforded to lose Jal (whose death would have helped make Tracey look better), we could have lost Tracey d2 (assuming Jal had not been lost), and we would have set the tone for mislynch after mislynch.

I actually had the arrogance to think it would, without the help of scum at all.

LOLNOPE.

[TheUnderachivers]

In particular,

It was stupid, it was suicidal, it was a dumb idea. Not only from a game perspective--but also a meta one. I've built up that not-bussing meta for a while now. People just reading the thread and not the scum QT will point to this game as evidence that I've broken from that. When this game is all the proof I need to reinforce it

This part.

So I ask again, HD.

MO. TUA. Not both scum. Which do you see as scum?

[TheUnderachivers]

@ Mastin WHY do you think Key dude is town?

(1) Every single scumspect of mine has shown interest and/or pushed heavily for that lynch, and (2) KBW's last few content posts looked town to me.

[TheUnderachivers]

MS: If somebody could take their vote off me so I don't get magically lynched when the deadline "unsuspends" that would be great D:

Stop pointing that knife at my head!

Yeah, that.

More unvotes, please. Let's vote scum.

And yet you didn't Unvote me.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Capital City Dripping Goofball

In particular, this. But also...

I mean, why didnt you vote Antilles there? TAM?

Damned if I do, dammed if I don't?

kbw, TAM, Ant...regardless of who I voted you'd of said the same thing. But honestly? I saw someone say something about KBW, I isoed him and that was terrible and wanted that dead. Its the truth but you are aren't going to believe me anyways so w/e.

Who was it and what did they say

Oh well, if you cant beat them, join them.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Underachievers and proud of it

The reasoning given for hopping onto our wagon.

I don't see opportunism here at all. I see a pro-town player with a scumread, hopping onto the wagon.

[TheUnderachivers]

I'm seeing TUA as a stronger scum read the KBW, but not by much.

Neither of us are scum.

I can support a TheLurker wagon, though.

/leaving. Shoulda left 15 minutes ago, but my fire for this game has been lit again and I actually think we've got a solid ground, now.

[TheUnderachivers]

Ahem I could certainly see a scum team bussing Key... Gives them big Town brownie points....

In a nightless game?

Hell no.

Bussing is a bad idea in general. In a nightless game, it's suicidal because it forces you to not get one extra mislynch, but TWO in order to win.

[TheUnderachivers]

KBW is 110% scum. This the same shit IAI pulled in Harry Potter mafia. I was kinda thinkin' that Jennifer was apathetic town but I guess I could see her as a KBW buddy and trying to get him to replace out before he gets lynched.

DGB calls me scum in every game so this just seems like her normal horribleness.

[TheUnderachivers]

that was Mastin not me. I guess you guys haven't gotten used to which head is which.

-N

[TheUnderachivers]

you guys make me sad. I haven't posted since 680.

-N

Yea we do, but guess what Rach? You guys are about to mislynch us.

[TheUnderachivers]

I agree. But we haven't exactly had time to talk. Mastin has been v/la this whole time, we are close to a lynch and he wants his thoughts known. You guys should stop pussyfooting around and lynch Key 'cause he's scum and it gives me and Mastin time to talk.

Yeah, I don't think we've ever played in a game where I was scum DGB. I was town in politics mafia and you were the SK. That and Kise Capcom game were the only tw games I remember us playng in. Ongoings notwithstanding.

Yeah DGB is scum, dat echo after I just explained that that was what Mastin said.

-N

[TheUnderachivers]

I've been wanting to lynch KBW. This is DGB scum play where she pretends to not know whats going on.

-N

[TheUnderachivers]

Just stating a fact that you always call me scum, but then again you're scum so go figure.

[TheUnderachivers]

why are you going the pity angle "DGB always calls me scum"?

Stop twisting my words. There is no "pity angle" I'm stating a fact. You know damn well that I can't disscuss on going and what it looks like is your trying to get me ticked of so that I do mention them and get modkilled. Now fuck off and die, scum

[TheUnderachivers]

why are you going the pity angle "DGB always calls me scum"?

Stop twisting my words. There is no "pity angle" I'm stating a fact. You know damn well that I can't disscuss on going and what it looks like is your trying to get me ticked of so that I do mention them and get modkilled. Now fuck off and die, scum

[TheUnderachivers]

Key is, and should be the days lynch. But I'm going to bed, see you guys tomorrow if we're not lynched yet.

[TheUnderachivers]

Key is, and should be the days lynch. But I'm going to bed, see you guys tomorrow if we're not lynched yet.

Yet he was town a couple of pages ago.

huh

ummm. How much attention are you paying? Mastin called KBW town, I (Nero) have never called kbw town.

[TheUnderachivers]

Key is, and should be the days lynch. But I'm going to bed, see you guys tomorrow if we're not lynched yet.

Yet he was town a couple of pages ago.

huh

ummm. How much attention are you paying? Mastin called KBW town, I (Nero) have never called kbw town.

[TheUnderachivers]

Care to explain how that works?

Simple, she's scum pushing for two town mislynches. AA9 is one of my strongest townreads. (This is Mastin.)

Excuse me while I go shout at Nero in our QT. We don't have much time to coordinate our reads before we die, and his abrasive posting just undermined everything I was saying.

KBW is town, despite Nero's read on them differing from mine. OtterHorse continues to be scum. DGB being scum is a read Nero and I both agree on, so we can focus there, but I sincerely doubt that lynch will go through. Instead, we can focus on Metal Overlord, who aside from KBW and us is the lead wagon for good reason; they are scum. Or if you prefer, we could focus on Jennifer, who is also scum, or TheLurker, who is also also scum.

Those five are where you'll find scum.

[TheUnderachivers]

I also don't like how Archivers distances from reads and blames the reader ("You should know it was my other half that gave that read, not this half!"

So you don't think that when something has wrongly been attributed to you...you should just like not say anything right?

[TheUnderachivers]

I also don't like how Archivers distances from reads and blames the reader ("You should know it was my other half that gave that read, not this half!"

So you don't think that when something has wrongly been attributed to you...you should just like not say anything right?

[TheUnderachivers]

What specific reads are Nero/Mastin both aligned on and what are those reads?
What specific reads do Nero/Mastin disagree on and what are those reads?
What people do neither Nero or Mastin have a read on?

Bit ambiguous atm (Nero hasn't been clearly communicating), but I believe we both agree on DGB, OtterHorse, and MO. I have further scumreads on you, Jennifer, along with TheLurker; Nero hasn't made his stances on 'em clear.
KBW is the only read we disagree on; he has scum and I have town.

Pretty much every other player is some degree of town to me and either town or null to Nero. I could compile a list of 'em in strength in a bit, but right now I kinda need to eat lunch.

[TheUnderachivers]

I think barring something crazy that we need to decide between lynching Underachivers or Keywieldblader.

Jennifer can join the scum pile, too, for this.

Narrowing the lynch to two town players

.

OtterHorse has always been a scumread of mine, and I believe Nero's as well. Nero had DGB as scum at some point for some reason (he never speaks to me about these things. Seriously, between this game and last game our hydra QT has less than 80 posts; I've done double that with some of my other hydra partners in a single game), and I got a scumread on DGB the moment I started posting. MO I always had a scumread on, and Nero voted for MO so he's got his own reasons there (which I don't know of, just know are present).

[TheUnderachivers]

"Lurking" my ass. I have certain times I come on, and certain times I do not.

TUA, can you explain why you thought that OtterHorse was being stupid.

If one of us did, that would be Nero, not I.

I said the opposite--that OtterHorse was scum PRETENDING to be stupid, which for a hydra made up of two EXTREMELY veteran players is an incredibly reliable scumtell.

[TheUnderachivers]

Stop it, geez. I'll have a post up later tonight but we ain't scum and lynching us just to "save us" from a no lynch is dumb. The point is to lynch scum so you all should be moving your votes to MO.

[TheUnderachivers]

MO is at 4, We're at 6 (your vote notwithstanding) if you, and someone else were to vote MO he'd be lynched over us.

[TheUnderachivers]

So you don't think that when something has wrongly been attributed to you...you should just like not say anything right?

The thing is, you =! Nero or Mastin. you = Underachivers
So when "you" speak here, it's speaking on behalf of the slot. It's hard enough to try to figure out who has real reads versus who is faking. Throw a hydra team into the mix where they air their uncoordinated thoughts out in the thread instead of in their private hydra chat, and it gets even more confusing and nigh impossible to figure out.
Do you really think that if scummy posts are written by one head of a hydra, the slot shouldn't be under suspicion of being scum just because the other head comes on and says they disavow that post?
It's like... if I was to develop a split personality disorder and say "don't mind my scumminess from before, that was just the other me writing. This me would never say that!" It's just not convincing.

no, I totally get it. Its confusing but I don't think you're understanding the situation. I (Nero) had said that KBW was scum, Mastin comes in and says that KBW is not scummy. Rach, DGB and Otter all came in and were like "oh you so scummy for talking out of both sides of your mouth." So clarifying that I wasn’t talking out of both sides of my mouth and clearing up any miscommunication seemed like the sensible thing to do.I’m pretty sure you’d do the same in my situation.

TUA, can you explain why you thought that OtterHorse was being stupid.

1. Its a grown man that watches cartoons
2. The whole policy lynch crap for most of day 1 was stupid
3. His claiming that the Nero head was the one that called KBW town

AFTER

it was explained that it was Mastin.

The previous posts were written by KX, which were scummy(in your opinion, nothing is objective here). The post that I had written, was not scummy by itself, but according to the context it is scummy

Tell me Jennifer, Why was our hydra specifically scummy for doing this but MO is not?

[TheUnderachivers]

MOAR MO VOTES. Please don't let this hydra be mislynched on day 1 two games in a row.

[TheUnderachivers]

MOAR MO VOTES. Please don't let this hydra be mislynched on day 1 two games in a row.

[TheUnderachivers]

you know who doesn't have a sense of humor? scum.

SRS, the fact you couldn't tell that point 1 was a joke by the smiley face is just so...WOW!!!

[TheUnderachivers]

vote:DGB

I'd rather not though anything with Klick and MO on it.

[TheUnderachivers]

vote:DGB

I'd rather not though anything with Klick and MO on it.

[TheUnderachivers]

I'm tired and my tooth hurts but lol if you think my vote on you was an OMGUS.

[TheUnderachivers]

Unvote: DGB.

@ Dashie

How likely do you think it is that at least one scum was on Key's wagon to bus him for town cred?

When he had a lot of votes initally, high since it was policy. The final wagon (especially the few that came after my vote) low as simply not posting would have gotten somepony else lynched. Now that all goes up in smoke with a MO/TUA scumflip since its swapping scum lynch for scum lynch, but if MO and TUA are town than zdn, Bulb, RM are all above average town picks to the point where I would say no more than one scum and the O/U is probably .5

Its probably easier/better to try and base reads off of KBW actions and votes. Thats why Bulb is town, and DGB is somewhat likely town, and mayyybe TUA but that was self-preservation and TUA is TUA. Utility lynches are never all that bad.

Jen/Antilles need so much dead though right now.

Sorry, Nero, that I'm not going to agree with you on a DGB wagon, because THIS...





















...Needs sheeping.
RBD's done an amazing job of reversing my scumread there.

VOTE: Jennifer.

[TheUnderachivers]

This is Nero, I'm having oral surgery tomorrow so I'll be v/la Wednesday and depending on how I feel Thursday and Friday.

[TheUnderachivers]

Well that was no fun. Seriously I think that was the most painful experience I've ever had. Anyways I'm back now and I'll be reading up inbetween sleeping.

[TheUnderachivers]

I compared his ISO here with his ISO in True Love and noticed a vast difference in posting quality.

Does he normally buddy, like he's doing to MO.

[TheUnderachivers]

Arc is deff town. If I had to pick a KBW buddy out of Titian/DGB...it would be DGB.

[TheUnderachivers]

vote:DGB

Mastin is fine with this. I have a town read on the Ant slot.

[TheUnderachivers]

What about Jennifer?

meh. I liked her unvote of us the other day but her original reason for voting us was stupid and I could see her as scumbuddies with MO.

[TheUnderachivers]

Atm, I must say I'm rather unsure. Antilles' recent posts don't take away from what was done before, so I think my unvote was somewhat hasty. Re-reading (and more carefully), Bulba does bring up some good points, and I realize a change now doesn't take from before. However, in light of recent events, I don't think that a vote on them should be there just yer. As for the subject of MM, looking over, I can see quite a few things that I don't like, but they're not overly so, and quite a few are WIFOM. They main thing that gives me pause in saying they read null-scum is their townread of me, which I find quite strange if they were scum, and so I won't jump on the wagon. This lack of desisivness could just be cause tired, idk, but hopefully will be able to get back to this when I have more time. ~KX

If Antilles is town that dude is probably scum^

/agreed. And Antilles is town, soyeah.

[TheUnderachivers]

when did you start townreading antilles?

When did I ever

stop

townreading Antilles?

Seriously, look at my suspects list throughout the game, and the town lists I've posted. They never left the town pile. They haven't left the town pile. Admittedly they were low on it because the townread was based off of their early posting and that was pretty much all they had for ages, but then they started posting and reaffirmed it. Like, seriously. Antilles is bleeding towntells left and right.

You somehow don't seem to get how I've got a townread on Antilles, but I'll reflect that back at ya; I seriously don't get how anyone can have a scumread on that slot.

[TheUnderachivers]

HD, I checked my iso and our QT, and either I never wrote it down or I'm misremembering, since yeah I couldn't find it either. But my memory says we had Antagon as town and I know I have him as town now, and that's the important bit.

The Holy Townlist

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak? (Old, need to check up on)
BBMolla
Klick? (Old, need to check up on)
Rainbowdash
ArcAngel9? (Old, need to check up on)

We aren't lynching anyone there.

With the exception of DGB, I actually agree on every single one of these. MS is obvtown, Bulb even moreso, BBM took whatever slot he had and turned it obvtown, Klick is a weaker townread and near the bottom but still more likely to be town, RBD's def-town, and AA9's play here just screams town.

The Holy Lynchpool

Antilles
Jennifer
Theunderachivers
Metal Overlord
Titan

we

are

lynching from.

Jennifer and MO are good, but the rest of your lynch list sucks. Titan's town, Antilles is town, and we're town.

[TheUnderachivers]

This whole "you guys never had a town read on Ant" is highly fucking retarded.

You scum or just stupid HD?

[TheUnderachivers]

You didn't answer my question on why Antilles is town.

Every single post that slot has made?

My lynchlist is DGB, TheLurker, Jennifer, and MO. I have varying degrees of townreads on every other slot, but no townreads (and in fact rather strong scumreads) on these four. This isn't hard to see; it's pretty much in every single post of mine D2.

[TheUnderachivers]

VOTE: Jennifer.

[TheUnderachivers]

btw, TUA, who made that vote post?

I did, of course.

[TheUnderachivers]

vote:DGB

Mastin is fine with this.

I have a town read on the Ant slot.

LYNCH ALL FUCKING LIARS!!!

VOTE:HD

[TheUnderachivers]

Dammit, Nero. Stop being Nero. >_<



VOTE: Jennifer.

/dissonance. (Don't worry. I'll knock some sense into his dense head.)

[TheUnderachivers]

Did you even bother to look through our ISO? + the fact that Ant never was mentioned as a scum read should have been all you need. So your claiming that we are just now town reading ANT just looks like the hollow pressure I'd expect from scum or a dumbass townie.

nope, sorry BB.

Dammit, Nero. Stop being Nero. >_<

Who else would I be?

[TheUnderachivers]

Don't listen to DSB, Tammy!!!!

Also, lets swing.

[TheUnderachivers]

I want anyone who is not on the DGB wagon to give me one real reason why you are not voting obvious scum.

Because I'm voting obvious scum.

+1.

Though really, I can wagon DGB. DGB, Jennifer, MO, and TheLurker are just about all equally scum.

[TheUnderachivers]

Pedit: then come join us on Jennifer

We are on Jennifer.

[TheUnderachivers]

I'm not voting TUA unless someone comes up with a good enough case as to why, especially when they voiced KBW as plausible lynch suspect.

I voiced KBW as plausible lynch suspect, people are voting me anyway.

at first but you tried pretty hard to not get him lynched.

[TheUnderachivers]

Eh.

Unvote
Vote: TheUnderAchivers

I've played with town-Nero, this isn't that. They're scum.

oh noes its politics mafia all over again!!!!! If you're town you need to switch your vote. DGB is a likely KBW buddy 'cause she attacked KBW in the beginning but tried hard to not get him lynched. Jennifer may be scum for her shit attack on us and her selectively hunting MO.

[TheUnderachivers]

NO, Z, NO. STAY FOCUSED.

TheLurker is almost scum for sure, and lynching him would be glorious, but really there's no case other than he showed up in the game threw his vote down on scum and proceeded to lurk, which is so incredibly compatible with scum play that it makes him unlikely to be town.

Like on this. You have my support on this. I could join you there, and I can help you lynch scum. I only have one vote, though, between TheLurker, MO, Jennifer, and DGB. If you can get a wagon going on TheLurker, I'd join it in a heartbeat.

[TheUnderachivers]

Princess help me kill scum DGB or Jennifer.

[TheUnderachivers]

TUA, if you switch to DGB, I will too.

this is a good idea.

vote:DGB

[TheUnderachivers]

Jen is fine to but the MS and Ant wagons are crap as is mine.

[TheUnderachivers]

TUA, if you switch to DGB, I will too.

this is a good idea.

vote:DGB

:scumposting:

someone else please vote TUA so their lynch goes through rather than the terrible Marangal and DGB lynches

thanks

Says the idiot that lied that I supposedly hadn't been calling Ant town. SRS, how can you have a town read on a slot that soft pushed scum and then tried to switch gears and mislynch town?

[TheUnderachivers]

Y'know, the fact that neither me nor Mastin could find it in your ISO probably means something.
Hint: It's because it was a one-off comment in an obscure post.

Because you're scum, this reasoning doesn't even apply.
Derp.

So you're reasoning for finding our slot scummy is 'cause I/mastin just all the sudden started reading Ant as town and then when me and Mastin prove that you're either outright lying or stupid town you're all "ZOMG even though I'm wrong I'm still "right" No you aren't shutup.

HAI DGB buddy.

Even better--neither of you seem to be able to explain

why

Antilles is town.

You've just sort of thrown it out there and called everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot or scum.

So tell me, why is he town?

The bolded is funny due to ongoing games. lol

Why is he scum? SRS, there are much scummier suspects out there. So no, I'm not going to play nooblet style mafia and just wagon for the sake of wagoning.

Why are you not voting DGB, Bulb?

[TheUnderachivers]

That's uncool, man.

Just curious as to why?

[TheUnderachivers]

What are you talking about Tammy? I've already found 2 scum.

[TheUnderachivers]

Y'know, I'm definitely sure I've provided other reasons than even just that.

Not that I remember. Can you quote it?

The fact of the matter is though that you're calling me scum for not noticing how you townread Antilles in a one-off, obscure post. And, let me point this out again, your own hydra partner couldn't find it either.

Scum lie. So from my perspective you lied. And then when I pointed out said lie/missed post. You continued to push that we were scum despite your original reasoning being false and that's just seems like crap reasoning to me. Though if you actually had another reasoning like you claimed then I'll drop it, respond to your other accusations and hope that you can see the error of your ways.

Even better--neither of you seem to be able to explain

why

Antilles is town.

You've just sort of thrown it out there and called everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot or scum.

So tell me, why is he town?

The bolded is funny due to ongoing games. lol

Why is he scum? SRS, there are much scummier suspects out there. So no, I'm not going to play nooblet style mafia and just wagon for the sake of wagoning.

Why are you not voting DGB, Bulb?

Why do you feel the need to deflect back to me?
Answer the question.

This is something I do every game. If I don't have a scum read on them I just let them ride in the town pile until they do something really scummy or until there's a really good case on them.

So...what is the case on them?

[TheUnderachivers]

You know what happened in Harry Potter mafia? I listed Mykonian's slot as town despite basically calling it null/ a not scum read. I have the exact same not scum read on the Ant slot. HD berating me over not suspecting a slot is just pants on head.

+

The whole AA thing has been done to death and has been discussed.

Just for curiosity's sake, what is the case on Ant?

[TheUnderachivers]

Eh.

Unvote
Vote: TheUnderAchivers

I've played with town-Nero, this isn't that. They're scum.

oh noes its politics mafia all over again!!!!! If you're town you need to switch your vote. DGB is a likely KBW buddy 'cause she attacked KBW in the beginning but tried hard to not get him lynched. Jennifer may be scum for her shit attack on us and her selectively hunting MO.

The point is that it is exactly not Politics Mafia. I am seeing nothing of that game in your play here.

No this is exactly like politics mafia 'cause you're tunneling me again.

MO calling our slot unhelpful is just pants on head retarded but he's scum anyways so yeah.

If what Bulb posted in 1491 is *the* case on Ant...it seems underwhelming to me.

[TheUnderachivers]

nty

besides shouldn't you be lynching scum?

[TheUnderachivers]

@TUA, I know it is pretty hypocritical, but sorry, I believe I should have said quite a few of your posts are unhelpful (though I do feel overall you've been unhelpful as well). The interaction with KBW doesn't really help either.

Are you on drugs?

Everything on this page has been horrible from your slot. Looks like goofs massive

ATE

is going to get me mislynched.

[TheUnderachivers]

@TUA, I know it is pretty hypocritical, but sorry, I believe I should have said quite a few of your posts are unhelpful (though I do feel overall you've been unhelpful as well). The interaction with KBW doesn't really help either.

Are you on drugs?

Everything on this page has been horrible from your slot. Looks like goofs massive

ATE

is going to get me mislynched.

MO is better than you.

On some distant planet, maybe.

[TheUnderachivers]

meh. not scum but I don't there's anything to convince you clowns so w/e. Maybe this town will smarten up and win this for me.