NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

Zdenek · Post Post #23 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:48 am

Broseidon is scum.

Vote: Broseidon

Zdenek · Post Post #26 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:52 am

Help me lynch Brosei

Zdenek · Post Post #37 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:51 am

In post 33, Nero wrote:
In post 77, Nero wrote:
In post 10, Nero wrote:also let me tell everyone right now that i don't intend to write a colossal amount explaining why i'm town and why the person i'm voting is mafia. just trust me, i'm usually right.

Is BSG your only town game on site, if so, no no no to this.

Zdenek · Post Post #38 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:53 am

Unvote
Vote: TheIrishPope

He just committed by favourite

secret

scum tell.

Zdenek · Post Post #193 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:01 am

In post 41, Ankamius wrote:
In post 38, Zdenek wrote:
Unvote
Vote: TheIrishPope

He just committed by favourite
secret
scum tell.
I
think
I'm seeing what you're seeing, but I'm not really sure what makes it a scumtell.

Oh really? If you were seeing what I was seeing I think you'd vote him, so what are you seeing?
The self-vote.

Well that's sort of it, but not all of it.

In post 44, StevieT92 wrote:
ProHawk wrote:This whole game is a WIFOM tangle, its the fun of it.

vote:ProHawk
for the above quote. He's either scum or a bad player. That makes him a good enough lynch for me. I hope I don't need to explain why this quote is incredibly wrong to you guys.

I will have crappy availability for the next few days, which fits my scum gameplan of lurking very well. All jokes aside, I just moved into a new place and we can't get the Wifi to work. I am going to visit my parents for the weekend, so I will post by Saturday at the latest. Apologies to all, I didn't think this was going to be an issue when I signed up for this game but I will make sure to pull my weight.

Scum suspect #2 is BROseidan for making a town read on page 2.
Scum suspect #3 is TiP for excessive posting and for possibly being BROseidan's buddy.

Stevie

Oh my, it must be my birthday: scum or a bad player + real-life excuses all in the same post.

Stevie would be a solid lynch.

In post 51, TheIrishPope wrote:
In post 46, Calcifer wrote:ProHawk is town, despite how stupid his idea was.
TiP, BROseidon, and Stevie are all scum.
This gave me cancer

Hopefully stage 4.

In post 75, Doc Holliday wrote:Don't hold back on TIP. He rode the "too dumb to scum" wave to a scum win in the only other game I've played with him.

Don't have time to respond to the rest of the thread, but yay! Mastin (and therefore Nacho) are Town

Mind taking a stance?

I see you've taken one now, but it looks sort of weak considering you say that he plays scummy all the time. What are you seeing?

In post 81, TheIrishPope wrote:Also don't listen to Doc

Is he lying?

Unvote
Vote: Stevie

Zdenek · Post Post #194 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:02 am

TSO might be scum - that's a long nonsense "case" I've ever seen one.

Zdenek · Post Post #196 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:08 am

In post 195, T S O wrote:can you show me the nonsense in it?

In post 192, T S O wrote:
In post 15, Doc Holliday wrote:TIP's idea is dumb.

Vote: TMTOLBTWNTOF

Dat name
rvs vote based on someone having a long name.

In post 75, Doc Holliday wrote:Don't hold back on TIP. He rode the "too dumb to scum" wave to a scum win in the only other game I've played with him.

Don't have time to respond to the rest of the thread, but yay! Mastin (and therefore Nacho) are Town
lumps suspicion on tip, says calc is town with no reasoning

In post 130, Doc Holliday wrote:Okay, first of all, you fucks need to stop posting so goddamn fast and furious. TIP, Mastin, and Rift Adrift, I'm looking at you. Between the three of you, you have almost half of all the posts in the thread.

Second, lol at anyone and everyone talking about 'lurkers,' people 'avoiding the thread,' and suspicion leveled against those who haven't posted yet. TIP is massively guilty of this. The game is SEVEN HOURS OLD. Some of us have jobs, and have been at work literally the entire span of the game so far. Chill.

Alright. I'm exhausted from a ten-hour work day, and have mostly skimmed from my phone on breaks. ProHawk's idea was dumb enough that I defaulted to thinking it was TIP's, Mastin is playing Townish but spastic, TIP reads scummy all the time, Nero is leaning weak scum (seems too eager to label strong reads,) Shadi hasn't become wildly anti-Town yet, nullish on everyone else.

Unvote
Vote: TIP

Combination suspicion and PL

PE: omfg people, STOP with the crap filler posts. We're in the middle of page 6 in a 24 player game sevenish hours old. Unless you ACTUALLY WANT mass flaking, stop posting unless you have something real to say for chrissake
actively disencourages posting, which is always better than no posting, votes the guy he's tried to implicate already with no reasoning

In post 132, Doc Holliday wrote:Oh hey Town crab

Almost identical reads and reasoning, too long a post to have been anything other than written simultaneously. This guy is
thinking
, and that's Towny
gives his first half-decent read of a player.

In post 136, Doc Holliday wrote:
In post 133, TheIrishPope wrote:Scum have identical reads.
How interesting that you know who the scum are, to make such a definitive statement
misrep's tip yet again and puts words in his mouth

In post 151, Doc Holliday wrote:Calcifer = Nacho and Mastin

Pretty sure most of what we've seen so far has been Mastin
states the obvious

In post 171, Doc Holliday wrote:Nero, I didn't just say 'strong Townreads'

Stubbs quoted the one I found criminally scummy
tells Nero that he's missed a few words

In post 172, Doc Holliday wrote:Also, your reaction is pretty OMGUS-y. Scumpoints ahooooooooy
tells nero he had a bad reaction when he didn't

In post 187, Doc Holliday wrote:
Unvote
Vote: Nero
blind votes with no reasoning again

Vote: DocHolliday

Zdenek · Post Post #199 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:17 am

To guy TSO. Oops sorry about that. the only point there that is any good, possibly, is the one about misrepping TiP, but you wrote so much and didn't comment on anyone else, specifically their reasonless town reads.

Zdenek · Post Post #238 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:19 pm

Could everyone just vote Stevie. Guy's flipping scum.

Zdenek · Post Post #256 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:40 am

In post 243, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 238, Zdenek wrote:Could everyone just vote Stevie. Guy's flipping scum.
Maybe if you explained why?

I did.

Zdenek · Post Post #299 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:16 pm

In post 257, Rift Adrift wrote:I guess it wasn't persuasive.

Trust me.

Doomsday: get my gun

Zdenek · Post Post #373 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:55 am

Still pretty sure we should be lynching stevie.
Think we should run him up to get a claim.
That's about it.

Zdenek · Post Post #439 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:13 am

In post 391, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:
In post 169, dramonic wrote:DOMO, never sign up for one of my games
Also Im starting to get strong townreads, yay~
And they were never mentioned again.

In post 323, dramonic wrote:
In post 321, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 318, dramonic wrote:
In post 315, Nero wrote:are you gonna quit being a condescending prat and actually fucking do something?
not today?
I didn't think it was possible to exceed Nero's level of uselessness.
Always a pleasure to amaze.
This is pretty much TiP's level of "too scum to be scum" so I'm going to look at some meta.

^scum

Zdenek · Post Post #440 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:14 am

In post 397, Rift Adrift wrote:How are you feeling about Stevie? I'm finding the pile up of votes in that direction kinda troubling.

Why do you think he's town?

Zdenek · Post Post #441 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:21 am

In post 399, Calcifer wrote:I still feel good about Stevie and I hate the wagon on him.

You can answer too.

Doc can be scum too.

Neither Broseidon nor T S O are scum reads any more.

Zdenek · Post Post #443 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:25 am

In post 442, Rift Adrift wrote:His reaction to bw pressure looks like pissed off town.

What?

Zdenek · Post Post #446 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:40 am

In post 444, Calcifer wrote:How about some reasons for him being scum? You've been pretty damn quiet on the reasons front.

Makes the scum or bad player comment about Pro-Hawk
Makes real life excuses in a couple of posts.
Selective scum-hunting of Broseidon for having early town reads.
He votes Nero for alignment irrelevant, but completely accurate, reasons.

Zdenek · Post Post #447 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:41 am

In post 445, Rift Adrift wrote:Pissed off town looking to me.

I don't see town in any of that.

Zdenek · Post Post #449 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:44 am

In post 448, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 447, Zdenek wrote:
In post 445, Rift Adrift wrote:Pissed off town looking to me.
I don't see town in any of that.
Then we see differently.

Do you think that "pissed off" is some thing that scum doesn't get or is this some sort of gut read?

Zdenek · Post Post #451 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:55 am

I'm just going to take that as a "yes it's a gut read" and be irritated that your defending him for such weak reasons and being unnecessarily cagey while talking about them.

Zdenek · Post Post #453 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:59 am

In post 452, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 444, Calcifer wrote:How about some reasons for him being scum? You've been pretty damn quiet on the reasons front.
Yes please. What is the basis of your scum read?

Look on the last page.

Zdenek · Post Post #456 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:30 am

In post 299, Zdenek wrote:
Doomsday: get my gun

I knew I was going to need this.

Daykill: Brian Hollywood

Zdenek · Post Post #460 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:54 am

Well you're scum, so laa dee daa. I'm just doing my job.

Zdenek · Post Post #477 (isolation #23) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:04 am

I don't know anything about this Varsoon character.

In post 462, Ankamius wrote:I'm going to headdesk so hard if that's a legitimate kill.

How do you know Hollywood is town?

Zdenek · Post Post #547 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:55 pm

In post 481, DOMO wrote:pfft nice typo

vote BRO

weird

In post 496, DOMO wrote:
In post 491, Metal Sonic wrote:I find that Bro only has what you describe as an "average" chance of being scum
Well, I disagree here, an "average" chance of being scum would be x in 23, from my POV. I only need to have one town read to shift that to x in 22. That's better than average. I have a few town reads. While they might not be accurate, I consider this shifts the chances of BRO being scum to better than x in 23, therefore better than average. But I suppose he doesn't have a better chance of being scum than anyone else I haven't townread yet, so maybe you're right that my language is unclear. There's a lot of people who are better than average. Still, I'm happy to leave my vote here for now because at this moment I can't find a better target.

What's your read on BRO, MS? I see you interact with him once in your ISO, calling him boring. Other mentions of his name are in recent posts to me. Further, in BRO's posts, I see him mention you a couple of times, stuff like "that's MS for you" when referring to your lazy style. And he didn't like TSO's shift to you.

Here you seem to be rising to his defence. Do you have reason to think he's town?

rift - yeah that post was rev, as is this.

Oh so you are actually scum.

Good to know.

In post 501, Ankamius wrote:
In post 477, Zdenek wrote:How do you know Hollywood is town?
The scumclaim in general gave me a town vibe. and his response to the daykill didn't hurt that.

Oh my.

In post 523, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:
In post 366, The Goat wrote:Tough to see a lot through all the bickering...TSO and Metal Sonic in particular.

Initial read stands.

vote Stevie.
Hops on a person that people continue to push for bad reasons, easy target

In post 461, The Goat wrote:What...

...in the actual fuck?
Expresses "surprise" towards a joke
Does not further comment on his vote

VOTE: The Goat

More scum found.

Zdenek · Post Post #576 (isolation #25) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:42 am

In post 549, DOMO wrote:zdenek, is quoting someone and saying "scum" your idea of analysis?

Nope.

In post 549, DOMO wrote:What's weird about me making a typo and then correcting it?

What was weird is that it seems like you're voting Bro just for stuff from page one. It doesn't look like you're making an effort to read him.

In post 549, DOMO wrote:And why am I scum for my quoted post at MS?

It reads like drawn out bs that you want people to care about, but that doesn't matter.

In post 549, DOMO wrote:I also don't like his reasoning for pushing TMT... I have my doubts about TMT

I haven't given any reason so, I don't know what you're talking about. Now, you're attacking me for prodding someone you have doubts about?

In post 549, DOMO wrote:zdenek calling TMT scummy for pointing this out is questionable.

Stevie still looks scummy to me. I don't see why goat needed to comment more at that moment. Why do you think that he did?

In post 570, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:BRO is probably pretty scum

Why's that?

Zdenek · Post Post #650 (isolation #26) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:30 pm

Town:
Ankamius
Baby Spice
Brian Hollywood
BROseidon
dramonic
Rift Adrift
Nero
Calcifer
TheIrishPope
KingCrabd
ProHawk
Metal Sonic
orcinus_theoriginal
DOMO
StubbsKVM

Maybe scum:
Serene (hydra) truly14
The Goat
BulbaFenix
T S O

Scum:
Doc Holliday
StevieT92
TMTOLBTWNTOF
Shadi1337

Zdenek · Post Post #651 (isolation #27) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:38 pm

In post 577, DOMO wrote:His comments at me calling my logic terrible

It would be easier for me to know that if you said something about it.

In post 577, DOMO wrote:You don't see why goat needed to comment more?

I was talking about on his vote, and no. He should talk about the game though.

Zdenek · Post Post #656 (isolation #28) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:05 pm

In post 654, DOMO wrote:
In post 651, Zdenek wrote:It would be easier for me to know that if you said something about it.
Erm... #421

Your suggestion that my vote is weird lacks basis, because you clearly didn't even bother to check what I've said about BRO in previous posts. You're plucking scum reads out of thin air.

vote zdenek

Oops I misreqd and thought you said that you thought his logic was terrible. Your logic actually is terrible, so I guess I have no problem with him based on this.

Zdenek · Post Post #668 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:24 pm

Nah, Bro's town, guy.

Zdenek · Post Post #724 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:26 am

I thought he was town because his buddying with ffreyllt of Rift Adrift felt alienating, so I figured that he probably wouldn't want to do that as scum.
Maybe I'm just crazy.

Zdenek · Post Post #733 (isolation #31) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:12 am

Rift,

In post 731, Rift Adrift wrote:Also, he absolutely needs to buddy me, or endure me buddying him or I will become paranoid as fuck instead of just moderately paranoid.

In post 723, Serene wrote:Calcifer has entered the thread-not as an uninformed townie-but as one who knows more.

That burden comes through in his post, and he speaks like someone with a plan.

doesn't worry you?

Zdenek · Post Post #735 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:16 am

In post 734, dramonic wrote:What Serene meant is probably 6

?

Zdenek · Post Post #748 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:02 am

In post 745, KingCrabd wrote:
Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

Explain yourself.

Zdenek · Post Post #765 (isolation #34) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:44 am

In post 750, TheIrishPope wrote:^ I can see this slot as scum

Indeed. They are bussing right now. Fenix even makes sure everyone knows his vote is temporary.

Bro's even joining other games, so town read cancelled.

Zdenek · Post Post #780 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:35 am

KingCrabd:

In post 748, Zdenek wrote:
In post 745, KingCrabd wrote:
Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.
Explain yourself.

Zdenek · Post Post #813 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:30 pm

kingcrabd still needs to talk about Shadi's meta. That's all I remember right now.

Zdenek · Post Post #856 (isolation #37) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:04 am

First line and his replace out.

Zdenek · Post Post #868 (isolation #38) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:40 am

I liked them better when they were bussing.

Zdenek · Post Post #873 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:32 am

Vote: BulbaFenix

Zdenek · Post Post #875 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:34 am

In post 871, Serene wrote:Mac said he was tired of rolling scum IN A GAME WHERE HE REPLACED OUT AS SCUM.

Therefore, his replacing out of THIS game while he continues to join OTHER games is absolutely significant.

Zdenek · Post Post #878 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:38 am

In post 876, BulbaFenix wrote:Zdenek, are you actually going to start suspecting people for actual scumtells, or are you going to continue to chase red herrings?

-Bulba (as was the last one)

hahhahahahaahhaaahhahaaahaaaahaaaahahhahaahahahahaa

Zdenek · Post Post #1085 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:37 am

In post 936, StubbsKVM wrote:Serene...

So actually reading the game is too much to ask.

But filling an entire page with profanity is what you consider scumhunting?

Nice.

I liked you when you were pressing Shadi.
Now it looks like you are just jumpy.
Do you think Serene is scum?

In post 969, Serene wrote:I'm sorry. I drowned some ceremonial kittens in the Ganges and I'm feeling better.

VOTE: Stevie

No BulbaFenix

Vote: Stevie

In post 974, Baby Spice wrote:Kinda liking Shadi's last few posts actually, and not exactly liking who else is on that wagon. Not saying he's town yet though.

Unvote, Vote Stubbs

I hate it when you discover that a post got ninja'd and you didn't see it happen, then find it the next day still waiting

What the fuck?
You were voting Shadi with Stubb's, Stubb leaves that wagon and votes Serene, so you leave it to vote Stubbs?
Why do you think that Stubb's is scum?

In post 1030, Rift Adrift wrote:Rift would really like to get a town bloc formed

I think this is a great idea:

EVERYONE VOTE STEVIE, HE WILL FLIP SCUM AND IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!

Zdenek · Post Post #1094 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:56 am

In post 1086, BROseidon wrote:Zdenek what do you think of Serene?

Probably town.

In post 1092, Serene wrote:@ Zdenek

You realize Stubbs is scum, right?

hmmm, no.
Because he was pushing Shadi?
One sec.

Zdenek · Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:04 am

Well, I ISO'ed Stubbs. He could be scum, I find his pushes somewhat opportunistic and voting choices poorly reasoned, but it's tricky because he could just be new-town trying hard, which could produce the same effect.

Zdenek · Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:04 am

In post 1095, StubbsKVM wrote:I'm actually voting Dramonic, not Serene.

Oops.

Zdenek · Post Post #1139 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:31 pm

In post 1100, StubbsKVM wrote:
In post 1098, Zdenek wrote:Well, I ISO'ed Stubbs. He could be scum, I find his pushes somewhat opportunistic and voting choices poorly reasoned, but it's tricky because he could just be new-town trying hard, which could produce the same effect.
poorly reasoned?
Which pushes are you talking about exactly?

Yes.
Nero, dramonic.

Zdenek · Post Post #1144 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:55 pm

This is a normal game.

Zdenek · Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:43 pm

So I read.
I think scum are lurking. Except for maybe BulbaFenix, but they're voting Stevie, so they're in my good book again.

Zdenek · Post Post #1269 (isolation #49) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:52 am

ISO me.

Zdenek · Post Post #1271 (isolation #50) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:20 am

I don't think Stevie has posted much since. If you want, you can add trying to lurk the pressure off to the list, but I don't care. Otherwise, no it hasn't changed.

Zdenek · Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:05 am

Wow.

ctrl-c ,ctrl-v

Code: Select all

[b]Unvote
Vote: Stevie[/b]

Zdenek · Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:10 am

I think if you look, you'll see that you OMGUS voted me, and I've given reasons for why I am voting you, so eat rope.

Zdenek · Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:36 am

In post 1299, StevieT92 wrote:
In post 1297, Zdenek wrote:I think if you look, you'll see that you OMGUS voted me, and I've given reasons for why I am voting you, so eat rope.

you know when you get lynched, you don't put the rope in your mouth, right?

I'm happy to see that you are not interested in addressing the game-relevant parts of my sentence.

Zdenek · Post Post #1321 (isolation #54) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:02 am

Maybe across scum teams. They probably aren't all buddies.

TMT is trying to get calcifer to do his dirty work and defend his buddy.

Zdenek · Post Post #1332 (isolation #55) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:06 am

In post 1327, Calcifer wrote:
In post 1321, Zdenek wrote:Maybe across scum teams. They probably aren't all buddies.

TMT is trying to get calcifer to do his dirty work and defend his buddy.
If this game turns out to be multiscum, we're speed-lynching Zdenek.

When did you turn stupid?

Zdenek · Post Post #1504 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:23 am

eh. I'll help

Unvote
Vote: Calcifer

Zdenek · Post Post #1622 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:10 am

In post 1579, Serene wrote:Although I did laugh at calcs attempt to defuse his wagon by calling it a personal grudge perpetrated by some unknown person

So calc is scum after all

Good times.

Zdenek · Post Post #1629 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:44 am

In post 1602, DOMO wrote:I'm more concerned about the others on this wagon, zdenek in particular

Are you reading?

Zdenek · Post Post #1631 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:31 am

I will never understand anyone's Stevie town read.

Zdenek · Post Post #1640 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:18 am

In post 1638, Serene wrote:My beach balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_zuizyWwU

Zdenek · Post Post #1646 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:36 am

Calcifer, why are you voting BulbaFenix?

Zdenek · Post Post #1648 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:43 am

I'm shocked that you would be voting for someone one of you heads has as a scum read. I never could have deduced that from the fact that you are voting them.

Zdenek · Post Post #1649 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:45 am

Pretend Serene asked you that question and try again.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:16 am

So Ank is soaring up the scum-charts, and Nero constantly insulting Serene makes no sense if he's town.
I still want to lynch the obv-scum Stevie, but Calcifer is probably scum so he can go too.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:49 pm

In post 1678, Rift Adrift wrote:There is not a single phrase in this post that I agree with. Aside from Nero's insults, but they make no sense whatever his alignment.

Why are you defending Ank?
What do you think is Nero's motivation for acting like this?

Zdenek · Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:55 pm

The posting just to be insulting has to stop.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:58 pm

When it comes to Ank, I didn't like that basically just calls stuff "weird," so he's not actually attacking anyone or calling anyone scummy - it's a very safe way to play.

Zdenek · Post Post #1774 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:00 pm

In post 1770, Rift Adrift wrote:I don't know what Nero's motivation is. I just know what the result is. A totally disrupted conversation among people trying to sort out reads. If his motivation is not to disrupt the shit out of this lynch decision he needs to take a look at the thread.

It's like you know exactly what the scum motivation is.

Zdenek · Post Post #1781 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:04 pm

In post 1773, KingCrabd wrote:
In post 1709, KingCrabd wrote:
In post 1704, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 1701, KingCrabd wrote:You've got me on the first line and all but Ank on the second line. I need to go ISO ank before I accept that. I'd also propose we bring Prohawk to the table, because of the shadi and bulba interactions.
I almost listed him but I wanted your input.
I'm down with ANK, 1585 feels heck of genuine. I don't see scum just skipping a shitton of pages and openly posting as such that they did. Not to mention the content lately greatly makes up for the whole interaction with Zdenek.

I have enough experience watching hawk as scum that I'm relatively sure that he's not scum this game. Mostly comes from watching him in the game I modded recently.
Zdenek, thoughts about 1585, then? It felt too open to be fake, but that's just my take.

I don't think that not reading the thread is a town-tell, and I have little idea who his scum reads are when I read it or even what sort of thing he finds scummy. I wouldn't lynch him today because of it, but it's a part of why he is shooting up my scum list.

Zdenek · Post Post #1822 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:25 pm

Vote: Nero

Zdenek · Post Post #1902 (isolation #71) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:11 am

In post 1899, StubbsKVM wrote:Looks like everyone is so tired of this game, they're all voting Nero just to finish this day.

I'm voting him because I think he'll flip scum.

Zdenek · Post Post #1933 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:39 pm

In post 1931, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:suddenly i'm not so sure about nero's scumminess

he didn't respond this harshly in bsg

Wasn't he town in BSG?

Zdenek · Post Post #1964 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:47 pm

^This dies

Zdenek · Post Post #2076 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:13 am

I really wish that we'd lynched Stevie.
I don't see why we couldn't have done that.

Such is life.

Zdenek · Post Post #2088 (isolation #75) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:49 am

In post 2084, Rift Adrift wrote:I don't get the Stevie hate.

Look at the thread.
Look at the things Stevie has chosen to comment on.

Zdenek · Post Post #2091 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:51 am

In post 2084, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2076, Zdenek wrote:I really wish that we'd lynched Stevie.
I don't see why we couldn't have done that.

Such is life.
I don't get the Stevie hate.

I've read through the most recent of his scum and town games that Crabd linked. In both cases he was posting walls compared to this game. I read a less recent town game and it was more like this game. Short comments on long-ass quotewalls. I need to look the other games over and get a better feel for the differences.

You will literally never catch scum this way.
Most people post in roughly the same way town or scum because that's their thing.
You're more likely to catch people who are busy IRL this way.

Zdenek · Post Post #2096 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:01 am

In post 2093, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2091, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2084, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2076, Zdenek wrote:I really wish that we'd lynched Stevie.
I don't see why we couldn't have done that.

Such is life.
I don't get the Stevie hate.

I've read through the most recent of his scum and town games that Crabd linked. In both cases he was posting walls compared to this game. I read a less recent town game and it was more like this game. Short comments on long-ass quotewalls. I need to look the other games over and get a better feel for the differences.
You will literally never catch scum this way.
Most people post in roughly the same way town or scum because that's their thing.
You're more likely to catch people who are busy IRL this way.
Exactly. I've assumed his short bursts of activity coincide with having access and time.

and how does that have anything to do with being town or scum?

Zdenek · Post Post #2098 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:05 am

Zdenek · Post Post #2138 (isolation #79) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:31 am

Vote: Stevie

Zdenek · Post Post #2140 (isolation #80) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:54 am

Hi rolefishing scum buddy.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:04 am

HOW THE FUCK DO EITHER OF THOSE KILLS POINT TO STEVIE BEING TOWN?

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:13 am

In post 2143, DOMO wrote:
In post 2142, Zdenek wrote:HOW THE FUCK DO EITHER OF THOSE KILLS POINT TO STEVIE BEING TOWN?
What? That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you didn't appear to take the new info into account when placing your vote.

I don't know if the NK's make him look worse or better, I haven't read through since we restarted. But then I'm not throwing votes around with no explanation after we get three town flips.

If you don't think that they point to Stevie being town, then why are you accusing me of not considering something?

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:15 am

DOMO, you seriously expect me to say something like, "Well, it doesn't look like those NK's point to Stevie being town, so I still think he's scum?"
That's never going to happen because outside of a couple of obvious circumstance NK-analysis is bullshit.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:20 am

I think Stevie is scum, and that NK's don't affect that.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:22 am

In post 2149, DOMO wrote:Two reasons... one, you're high up in my scum list, and two, you voted without any explanation after we get three townflips. Are you surprised I think this is sketch?

This is all nonsense.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:26 am

In post 2152, DOMO wrote:Nonsense? Why is it nonsense? You are indeed in my scum pool, and you are indeed voting without an explanation. And I am indeed thinking it's sketchy. So it's far from nonsene.

Because me being high on your scum list does not make one of my actions scummy, and just because there were three town flips does not make that action scummy.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:27 am

Unvote
Vote: DOMO

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:30 am

You are scum, pushing garbage. Vote yourself please.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:37 am

In post 2158, StevieT92 wrote:
In post 2157, Zdenek wrote:You are scum, pushing garbage. Vote yourself please.
I guess DOMO is confirmed town now, huh?

I was wrong
1 v. 1 is a go.

Vote: Stevie

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:45 am

Find me a a game where you found scum based on the "not considering the flips" tell.

The idea that the number of times that I have voted has anything to do with me reading the thread is retarded.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:50 am

In post 2164, StevieT92 wrote:
In post 2163, Zdenek wrote:Find me a a game where you found scum based on the "not considering the flips" tell.

The idea that the number of times that I have voted has anything to do with me reading the thread is retarded.
Tells don't exist, you stupid noob. It was more your general scum perspective that tipped him off.

He's the one using the tell.

I can't remember anything from yesterday.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:53 am

Probably something like:

Town:
Ankamius
BROseidon
dramonic
KingCrabd
Rift Adrift
Serene
orcinus_theoriginal
StubbsKVM
Shadi1337

Null:
Baby Spice
Calcifer
Metal Sonic
The Goat
Thirdkoopa

Scum:
Brian Hollywood
Cephrir
DOMO
BulbaFenix
TMTOLBTWNTOF
StevieT92

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:54 am

ALthough, I'm not that sure of Orc.

Zdenek · Post Post #2209 (isolation #94) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:07 pm

DOMO is either slow or scum, and I can't tell which.

Zdenek · Post Post #2212 (isolation #95) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:12 pm

In post 2210, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2209, Zdenek wrote:DOMO is either slow or scum, and I can't tell which.
You thought all that spinning around looked scummy?

I mean his bs case. The spinning around doesn't bother me.

Zdenek · Post Post #2215 (isolation #96) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:17 pm

Actually BulbaFenix's 2187 is so opportunistic, that there is little chance that I'd vote for DOMO today after that.

Zdenek · Post Post #2231 (isolation #97) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:47 pm

In post 2228, BulbaFenix wrote:
In post 2215, Zdenek wrote:Actually BulbaFenix's 2187 is so opportunistic, that there is little chance that I'd vote for DOMO today after that.
What about it was opportunistic?

-Bulba

In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:DOMO: Not as much of a gut read as the others. They appeal to the logic part of me, and they are actively scumhunting. Everything they do comes from town motivation. Therefore, they're town.

In post 1316, BulbaFenix wrote:I have strong townreads on you and Rift. DOMO is major scumhunting, which makes him a townread.

Then in that post you cast suspicion on him for questionable reasons.

Zdenek · Post Post #2282 (isolation #98) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:26 pm

Stay the course.
Lynch Stevie.

Zdenek · Post Post #2286 (isolation #99) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:29 pm

Deal.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 2256, Serene wrote:Translation: Calcifer used his factional kill to scum hunt and thought ProHawk belonged to another scum team.

Reading between the lines of another post today, I'm going to wager that one kill was thwarted.

I'm a sucker for this sort of thing.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:16 pm

In post 2302, Rift Adrift wrote:I think we need some triage.

Start with Stevie.
Use the wagons to get reads on others (hopefully the lurkers).
Easy-peasy.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:27 am

I like Cephir's reads of 3rdK and TMTLetters, so that makes me feel better about him.

In post 2311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:serene is jackshit.

In post 2313, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 2253, Serene wrote:Calcifer's confession:

In post 2200, Calcifer wrote:I like ProHawk dying but both dying together makes no sense unless both scumteams used their kills to scumhunt.
yes.

VOTE: calcifer

This looks horribly out of place.

In post 2312, Shadi1337 wrote:Why do people still see Serene as strong town after what happened last round?

Mason claim.

In post 2320, Metal Sonic wrote:serene is a fucking stupid dipshit whose reads are garbage

You're voting someone she finds scummy.

In post 2322, Baby Spice wrote:Well, he made a crack about dayvigs in the sign up thread, he never said anything about only joining if he got one.

Sounds more like Stevie is trying to back down from a shitty dayvig reaction test that drew scum vibes to him.

Damnit, that's a town reaction too.

Stevie is just trolling to distract people from his lynch.

In post 2334, Thirdkoopa wrote:Not trying to rolefish, but who?

Seriously?

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:03 am

In post 2338, Brian Hollywood wrote:I am playing I was simply asking why Stevie was being voted for without ANY explanation.

No, you specifically asked for info.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:05 am

In post 2340, Brian Hollywood wrote:That looked hella scummy too man yet all I did was buzz discussion around it yet here you are painting me as scum for simply finding out why you were voting for Stevie without any kind of info. Well played.

This is just garbage - why should I need info in order to vote for someone?
This is selective scum hunting at it's finest.
And it's BS.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:09 am

In post 2345, Brian Hollywood wrote:Seriously zdenek? Let me break this down better for you..

I asked YOU why Stevie was being voted for without ANY explanation. Translation I was asking why you voted for him without any reason

I'm not going to repeat myself. I am also not going to usually repeat things that other people have said.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:26 am

Hint: I'm not voting him without explanation.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:28 am

In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.

Looks like fake hydra-dissonance.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:31 am

In post 2375, BulbaFenix wrote:
Zdenek wrote:
In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.
Looks like fake hydra-dissonance.
This is laughable.

-Fenix

Tell me about your discussions.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:34 am

In post 2378, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2374, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.
Looks like fake hydra-dissonance.
How do you tell the difference?

I have an answer, but I'm not giving it until one of them tells me about their discussions.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:57 am

Rift wrote:You disbelieve the mason claim?

In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.
...
-Fenix

In post 2387, BulbaFenix wrote:Fenix doesn't think that Serene's mason claim is legitimate and thinks that he's scum.

Bingo!

Vote: BulbaFenix

Zdenek · Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:02 am

You're welcome to tell me about your conversations about Serene too.
To Bulba.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:40 am

I don't believe that what we've seen from Fenix today is representative of someone desperate to tango with Serene.

They are lying scum.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:05 am

DOMO, why are you ignoring BulbaFenix?

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:06 am

I mean their slip.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:12 am

In post 2388, Zdenek wrote:
Rift wrote:You disbelieve the mason claim?

In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.
...
-Fenix

In post 2387, BulbaFenix wrote:Fenix doesn't think that Serene's mason claim is legitimate and thinks that he's scum.
Bingo!

Vote: BulbaFenix

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:13 am

Followed by the fact that their explanation was completely unsatisfactory.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:23 am

Vote BulbaFenix while you're here.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:47 am

In English and in this instance, the contradiction is clear. So Broseidon and Orc are dumb or scum (scum especially if BulbaFenix does flip town).

That said, it is possible that it was just a mistake, which is why I asked them about their hydra discussions. Apparently Fenix was adamant about tangoing with Serene today, but he's not done that at all, so I don't believe their explanation either.

There are also other reasons why they are scummy.

So they are a fantastic lynch.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:52 am

In post 2485, BulbaFenix wrote:I'd like for you to point out these "other" reasons. Just for clarification sake. Because it seems you have a shit reason for now.

Considering that Serene just posted some, I'm not going to do this.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:55 am

In post 2490, BROseidon wrote:
In post 2481, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You and I are in-thread masoning right now
<3

Do you still think Calcifer is the best lynch for today? I'm not seeing Calcifer as scummier than Stevie or DOMO.

pedit: HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU GUYS DON'T GET IT.

IN MANY LANGUAGES, REGARDLESS OF WORDING, NO MEANS NO.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM ASKED "DO YOU NOT HAVE MONEY?" AND I RESPOND "NO," IN MANY LANGUAGES AND SOME DIALECTS OF ENGLISH THAT MEANS I DO NOT HAVE MONEY. IT'S WHY YOU HEAR MANY PEOPLE, PREDOMINANTLY FROM URBAN AREAS, SAY "I AINT GOT NO MONEY" TO MEAN "I HAVE NO MONEY."

GO STUDY SOME FUCKING LINGUISTICS BEFORE TRYING TO ARGUE LINGUISTICS WITH A LINGUIST.

You're partially missing the point.

Go read Fenix's posts today and tell me if they look like those of someone who was desperate to tango with Serene.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:58 am

In post 2496, Cephrir wrote:Bro wins the argument, the argument about that being a slip is now over.

There is a semi-valid point about BulbaFenix not going after Serene today except then they started doing it.

Yeah so basically apologies for my momentary lapse, BulbaFenix are still probably town.

Go read Fenix's posts today and tell me if they look like those of someone who was desperate to tango with Serene.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:01 am

In post 2499, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2494, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2490, BROseidon wrote:
In post 2481, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You and I are in-thread masoning right now
<3

Do you still think Calcifer is the best lynch for today? I'm not seeing Calcifer as scummier than Stevie or DOMO.

pedit: HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU GUYS DON'T GET IT.

IN MANY LANGUAGES, REGARDLESS OF WORDING, NO MEANS NO.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM ASKED "DO YOU NOT HAVE MONEY?" AND I RESPOND "NO," IN MANY LANGUAGES AND SOME DIALECTS OF ENGLISH THAT MEANS I DO NOT HAVE MONEY. IT'S WHY YOU HEAR MANY PEOPLE, PREDOMINANTLY FROM URBAN AREAS, SAY "I AINT GOT NO MONEY" TO MEAN "I HAVE NO MONEY."

GO STUDY SOME FUCKING LINGUISTICS BEFORE TRYING TO ARGUE LINGUISTICS WITH A LINGUIST.
You're partially missing the point.

Go read Fenix's posts today and tell me if they look like those of someone who was desperate to tango with Serene.
"You're missing the point in that you blasted half my argument to smithereens so I'm going to keep arguing the other part of it".

=/

You should do what I asked.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:02 am

In post 2501, Cephrir wrote:Desperate no, but he's doing it now. I am aware that this occurrd only after it was pointed out that he wasn't doing so, but he's going at it with a genuine vigor.

Doing it now is literally irrelevant, since his other head said in the thread that he wanted to.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:09 am

Orc is voting for me. That's funny.

Orc weren't you whining about people voting for others without there being cases against them?

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:17 am

In post 2526, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Hi I'm voting someone who is sheeping onto a jack shit retarded case, refusing to lead it in any shape or form, and is mum on expanding upon said case even when asked

Well then tell me how this

In post 2410, BulbaFenix wrote:When d2 was about to start, he wanted to tango with Serene so bad. I finally consented, but said that we were not going to vote them.

matches up with Fenix's play.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:18 am

In post 2526, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:GODDAMNIT EVERYONE IS VOTING TOWN RIGHT NOW

So you're scum and there is one scum team.
Got it.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:22 am

In post 2533, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nice job leaving out context, Zdscum

I've kept Fenix off of them for the most part since their claim. He pushed me hard on it.
Have you ever hydra'd before?

As far as I could tell that was regarding day one.

No, but that has nothing to do with them being full of shit.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:47 am

In post 2540, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 2482, Zdenek wrote:In English and in this instance, the contradiction is clear. So Broseidon and Orc are dumb or scum (scum especially if BulbaFenix does flip town).
Lets go back to this

Zdenek says bro and I are scum for "lol contradiction is clear bitches"

Okay, so since that got blown to shit, his scum read on us should have dissipated, right?

Then why does he continue to call me scum?

Scum's reads are fabricated and they need to remember to keep the trajectory clean. They are more likely than town to do this kind of shit, where they remember the read, but flub up on the reason. Zd calls me scum for a reason that got torn apart--and yet he continues

Calcifer>zd>Stevie

Good to see that you aren't reading.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:43 am

Ugh. Let's go over this one more time.

Rift Adrift asks Fenix if he disbelieves the mason claim. Fenix says that he doesn't, but let's ignore that part of the story for now and focus on the rest, he continues

In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.

What this indicated is that they have been actively discussing whether the masons are scum or not. As far as I can Bulba thinks that they are town, but he is willing to entertain the idea that they are scum. So this leads me to believe that Fenix has presented in their qt an argument that is fairly convincing to Bulba.

Bulba continues:

In post 2387, BulbaFenix wrote:What makes it fake? Fenix doesn't think that Serene's mason claim is legitimate and thinks that he's scum. I've had to remind him countless times that scum masons do not exist in normal games, but he's adamant on pursuing Serene. Personally, I think discussion can't hurt, so I've given him the okay to push Serene a little bit, but that we are not going to vote for them. I figure he can do his thing, and I can do mine, and in the end we'll discuss our results and find scum.

More evidence that Fenix pushed a Serene case in the qt.

In post 2410, BulbaFenix wrote:We both thought that Serene might be scum yesterday until they claimed. Fenix still thinks they're scum, while I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and look elsewhere for now. I've kept Fenix off of them for the most part since their claim. He pushed me hard on it. When d2 was about to start, he wanted to tango with Serene so bad. I finally consented, but said that we were not going to vote them.

and more, which is close to a repeat of the last bit.

This part was said when I requested details of their conversation. Notice that it indicated that Bulba consented to let Fenix tango with Serene at the start of day 2. Before we look at the content of those posts, what I would like to point out is the complete absence of any real details about their conversations. At the very least, I'd expect them to have revealed some of the reasons that Fenix thought made Serene scum, especially since he wanted to tango with her. This makes me believe that these conversations never happened. Now looking at Fenix's posts from the start of day 2, there are two interactions with Serene prior to this one is the accusation of them putting words in Ank's mouth, and some rolly-eyes at another comment about Ank. These are both comments that to me look like pot shots to discredit the slot, and what they don't look like are comments made by someone who has spent the night convincing his hydra-partner that Serene is scum and that he should go after them.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:01 pm

In post 2593, BulbaFenix wrote:5.) Those conversations did happen, via skype and telephone. I just kept on him, let me go... Let me go... LET ME GO... My gut is SCREAMING for *list of reasons*... All he had to do was say, "ok, go!" Once those words were said, I'm always one to tango with someone. I tangoed with Bulba as scum, and I've tangoed with him as town. He KNOWS my dance skills (and is a great partner I might add). I was entertaining company yesterday, so my song to hit the dance floor was delayed. We know each other VERY well and know how the other likes to play and discuss this game nightly.

and the reason that I don't believe you is that you didn't start off the day with *list of reasons* or even give them when I asked about your conversations.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:47 pm

I'd be totally willing to put everything else on hold to lynch ^.

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:35 pm

In post 2445, Baby Spice wrote:It does look like BulbaFenix is faking reads.

Vote Bulba

In post 2606, Baby Spice wrote:
In post 2388, Zdenek wrote:
Rift wrote:You disbelieve the mason claim?

In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.
...
-Fenix

In post 2387, BulbaFenix wrote:Fenix doesn't think that Serene's mason claim is legitimate and thinks that he's scum.
Bingo!

Vote: BulbaFenix

This specifically looks like someone forgot who in the Bulba hydra was supposed to have what reads reguarding Serene.

Will there be no end to the people we need to lynch in this game?

Zdenek · Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:36 pm

In post 2619, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2445, Baby Spice wrote:It does look like BulbaFenix is faking reads.

Vote Bulba

In post 2606, Baby Spice wrote:
In post 2388, Zdenek wrote:
Rift wrote:You disbelieve the mason claim?

In post 2373, BulbaFenix wrote:Personally, I do not. Bulba and I have been going back and forth on this in our conversations.
...
-Fenix

In post 2387, BulbaFenix wrote:Fenix doesn't think that Serene's mason claim is legitimate and thinks that he's scum.
Bingo!

Vote: BulbaFenix

This specifically looks like someone forgot who in the Bulba hydra was supposed to have what reads reguarding Serene.
Will there be no end to the people we need to lynch in this game?

Oh I just realized that was referring to someone in the hydra

Good, now I feel a bit better.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:44 am

Metal Sonic is scummy for voting me for voting BulbaF, but ignoring everyone else's votes on that wagon. It's classic selective scum hunting.

In post 2627, StubbsKVM wrote:Zdenek immediately voting Stevie is questionable, because he was on the Nero wagon.
If he had continued to vote Stevie until the end of day 1, it would not have been so suspicious.
The fact that he votes DOMO for questioning it, I don't really understand.

I pushed Stevie as much as I could day one, and got nowhere, so I moved my vote.
I voted DOMO because of his idiotic argument against me that was so contrived that I could not believe that it came from town. Now, I don't know.
I don't see at all how me fixing my vote on Stevie would make it less suspicious. Explain that too me.

In post 2629, StubbsKVM wrote:Okay now I'm at the part of Bulbafenix's contradiction. That does look bad. If nothing changes, my vote goes to him.

Calcifer wrote:He was confirmed as innocent child a while ago.
I did not see that anywhere. Looks like others haven't either.

Okay, some discussion about linguistics there. I can't say much about it, as English isn't even my native language. So I'll assume BRO is right on this. I'm still conflicted over whether to think Bulba is scum or not.

I agree with Domo that it's weird Ank does not address Serene, while claiming Dramonic is scum. Those 2 are connected due to their mason claim.

Domo vs BulbaFenix now? This doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Okay I've caught up.

Calcifer's innocent child mention is very weird. I'd like him to comment on this, as it has faded away due to the Bulba/Domo/Zdenek cases.

I'm also interested in hearing Ankamius's read on Serene.

VOTE: Stevie

So you think that the BulbaF thing isn't going anywhere but the Stevie thing is?
You haven't given a read on DOMO, you've scarcely said a word about Bulba and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:37 am

In post 2640, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2636, Zdenek wrote:and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently
If the rest wasn't more or less accurate, this phrase would make me seriously wonder if we are reading the same game. What led you to this impression of Stubb's reads?

I ISO'd him and searched for references to Stevie.
He was defending him (quite aggressively), and then voted him for not posting content, and then had little to say until this.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:06 am

In post 2646, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2641, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2640, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2636, Zdenek wrote:and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently
If the rest wasn't more or less accurate, this phrase would make me seriously wonder if we are reading the same game. What led you to this impression of Stubb's reads?
I ISO'd him and searched for references to Stevie.
He was defending him (quite aggressively), and then voted him for not posting content, and then had little to say until this.
You missed the posts where he repeatedly chivvied Stevie for his case on BRO?

I think there is a difference between trying to pressure someone to do something and thinking that they are scum, and what I'm trying to do now is get Stubbs to actually talk about his reads.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:33 am

Stubbs, as far as I can tell from your ISO, here are your scum reads and your reasons for them.

Scum:
Ankamius - scum for perhaps reading the masons differently
Baby Spice - scum for not providing content
StevieT92 - scum for not providing content + mediocre-bad content
Thirdkoopa - never mentioned before

Would you agree with this?

Zdenek · Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:52 am

In post 2677, Shadi1337 wrote:Your original read on me was scum Zde, what changed as you later on put me in your town pile?

When people pressured you I could make sense of what you were thinking and your responses seemed genuine. Call it gut if you like.

In post 2680, StubbsKVM wrote:Zdenek, stop putting words in my mouth. I just gave you a list, you can read can't you?
If you have something to say, say it.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I looked at your ISO, and that's what I got out of. Now, I'm checking to see if you have anything else you want to add or if I missed something. I ask because if this is correct then I really don't understand your null reads on TMTOLBTWNTOF and Brian Hollywood and your town read on The Goat, since they've also not provided content. The fact that you don't have a read on BulbaF seems odd to me, since you're scum reading Ank for reading the mason's differently, and BulbaFenix's reads on the masons seems incredibly contrived.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:22 am

In post 2684, StubbsKVM wrote:You look at my ISO and assume a bunch of things. That's not putting words in my mouth?

I literally asked you if you agreed.

Zdenek · Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:09 am

In post 2729, Metal Sonic wrote:so many walls

no thanks to serene

i skipped all of them

oh hi dgb, i miss you already! who are you replacing?

Are you reading anything?

Zdenek · Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:26 am

In post 2737, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Stevie Ank zd Brian goat thirdkoopa

I'm offended that you've included me in that list.

Zdenek · Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:41 am

In post 2746, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Is there like a point you're trying to express

I just wonder if you've lost your mind. You have a long list of reasonable, although perhaps not good, lynches, and you feel the need to include me in the list. Considering my play, it doesn't make any sense to me. Now, you're advocating for the vig to shoot a claimed mason, which makes no sense for basically the same reason - if you think that there are so many potentially good lynches, you should want the vig to shoot someone in that list.

Zdenek · Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:58 pm

You should vote him. It will help.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:54 am

In post 2801, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:3. Could you give me links of scum claiming mason that succeeded? From what I gather, it's not a conventional path to take.

Day one, I have never seen it.
Near the end of the game, it happened in Max's The Aftermath, and I think that is the only time I've seen it.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:51 pm

In post 2819, Cephrir wrote:Since I already know Zdenek is basically mutual OMGUS at this point, I won't bother with that.

DIAF.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:54 pm

Stevie is pulling the scum move of throwing his vote on a wagon that isn't going, and not being active enough to get it going.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:06 pm

I don't know what dilberry means.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:01 pm

So a google search let's me know what you're talking about. I think that players fitting that description are more likely to be scum, not less.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:39 pm

Nope. This one.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... =dillberry
which I think is more accurate.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:17 am

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:17 pm

Why are you defending Stevie?

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:32 pm

Ank, how about voting one of the top 3 wagons?
Rift, you too.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:43 pm

In post 2858, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:VOTE: zd

Top 3 wagons lololol

voting me lololol

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:47 pm

Orc, what are you trying to accomplish?

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:57 pm

Bulba and Stevie are both strong scum reads of mine, and I don't think that 3rdKoopa is a horrible vote either, so I'm trying to get people to cooperate on a lynch. If you think that is scummy, I don't know what to say.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:34 pm

In post 2894, Thirdkoopa wrote:Page 60. I've been super busy. Trying to FINALLY finish Day 1.

Anyone have an actual reason for voting me asides from lurking?

I hacked your account and read your scum role pm.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:25 am

In post 2899, Baby Spice wrote:Stevie's mason thing is a VI thing, nothing more.

You think Stevie is a VI?

Zdenek · Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:34 am

In post 2924, Rift Adrift wrote:
In post 2856, Zdenek wrote:Ank, how about voting one of the top 3 wagons?
Rift, you too.
Why the top three?

I'm trying to get some wagons together on some lynches that I am happy with.
If you want to vote someone else and push it, that's fine too. What's not fine is not voting.

Unfortunately, the number of lynches I am fine with is growing instead of shrinking, which is annoying, and we need some people under pressure.

Preview edit.
Okay.

Unvote
Vote: Ankimus

Zdenek · Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:19 pm

In post 2966, Thirdkoopa wrote:Also where's your avatar from?

Fantastic Mr. Fox.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432283/

Zdenek · Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:46 am

The pressure comes off BulbaFenix and they vanish. I'm shocked.

Zdenek · Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:10 pm

Goat, why haven't you replaced out?

Zdenek · Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:12 pm

and why in God's name didn't you put your vote somewhere useful?

Zdenek · Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:19 pm

Unvote

Vote: BulbaFenix

Zdenek · Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:30 pm

We probably shouldn't lynch Ank today. If we're wrong and we wait, we get two confirmed townies or one scum and one townie out of his death, and if we're right, then it doesn't matter too much if we give it a day.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 3054, BROseidon wrote:That's what I want to talk to him about.

I think Stevie is the best lynch, but the town has moved onto two wagons that I'm not feeling so strongly about. Since he's not on either of the wagons right now, I want to talk to him about which he thinks has more merit.

I really find your certainty and stubbornness unnerving.
Are you always this way?

Zdenek · Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:53 pm

In post 3186, Rift Adrift wrote:- His initial breadcrumb doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all

This is a good point.

Zdenek · Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:55 pm

In post 3217, KingCrabd wrote:
In post 3214, Baby Spice wrote:Fooled me too, but I got to it late.

Anyway, this is the post I was thinking of as a pr result soft claim:

In post 2781, StevieT92 wrote:Orcinus definitely is not scum, guys.
What the fuck? Why would you highlight this?

Do you think that it's real?

Zdenek · Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:06 am

I haven't read the walls, but I'm pretty sure if BulbaF was scum, they'd be voting Stevie.

I also kind of like their vote on Cephir.

Unvote
Vote: Stevie

Zdenek · Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:24 pm

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VOTE: BULBAFENIX

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:12 am

I don't think walls are scummy. I think walls that are devoid of content are.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:33 am

In post 3364, BulbaFenix wrote:I'd like to see a more concise case from him.

The case is that I think you fabricated hydra-dissonance between your heads regarding your read of Serene, and all of your attempts to explain it seem like lies.

In post 3367, Serene wrote:BFenix is town, that was an experiment.

Is this because of his scum list or is there something else?

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:06 pm

In post 3384, BulbaFenix wrote:Then there's nothing much I can do to stop you from pursuing such a horribad case. Hydra dissonence is not scummy, and the Serene argument is one that we've been having in the hydra for awhile.

My issue isn't hydra dissonance, and every time you mis-rep my case, it makes me want you dead that much more.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:08 pm

In post 3387, The Goat wrote:
In post 3346, Serene wrote:
In post 3344, The Goat wrote:Yeah. Still ain't buying the Bulba wagon.
STOP THE WAGON!

PULL ALL THE BRAKES

WE'VE GOT A PRECIOUS NULL READ
Well, okay then. See...here's the thing with you.

You're arrogant, and smarmy. And that's good and all...conditionally.

You push, and prod, and cajole. And insult. That's also okay...conditionally.

Here's the condition: EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE...YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT ABOUT SONETHING.

But...you haven't been. You have, to this point, been so fucking staggeringly
wrong
about everything that I honestly find it amazing that the town hasn't lynched you out of survival mode.

Every time you post, I hear this song in my head:

http://youtu.be/KQxhOYqLPdY

If you have something to contribute, please do. If you don't, please at least learn to use sarcasm properly. Because you are the main reason people are replacing out of this game.

Why do you think that BulbaFenix is town?

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:13 pm

In post 3390, The Goat wrote:3) the correct reply is: "why do you think he's scum?"

I've been pretty fucking clear about this.

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:15 pm

How about we flash-wagon Stevie?

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:51 pm

In post 3393, BulbaFenix wrote:
In post 3388, Zdenek wrote:
In post 3384, BulbaFenix wrote:Then there's nothing much I can do to stop you from pursuing such a horribad case. Hydra dissonence is not scummy, and the Serene argument is one that we've been having in the hydra for awhile.

My issue isn't hydra dissonanc
e, and every time you mis-rep my case, it makes me want you dead that much more.

In post 3370, Zdenek wrote: The case is that
I think you fabricated hydra-dissonance
between your heads regarding your read of Serene, and all of your attempts to explain it seem like lies.
Want to run that by me again?

-Bulba

FABRICATED

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:14 pm

Then where was Fenix when you let him off the leash at the start of the day?

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:34 pm

So you won't push on a strong scum read because you find it infuriating?

Zdenek · Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:02 pm

Why didn't you even present the case that you used to convince Bulba to let you off the leash in the thread at the start of the day?

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:16 am

In post 3422, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:How is hydra dissonance even a town read? Why would they feel the need to fabricate it? Has anyone even townread them because of hydra dissonance?

It makes it appear as though they are having conversations about their reads on people, so that we will think they are legitimate.

I don't know if anyone has town-read them for it.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:37 am

In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?

The reads you fool.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:55 am

In post 3429, BulbaFenix wrote:
In post 3428, Zdenek wrote:
In post 3426, BulbaFenix wrote:So that you will think we are legitimate? What? Are you saying that you don't think we're a hydra?
The reads you fool.
So, the fact that we have a varying opinions on a few of our reads and we decided to instead of making 2 totally separate lists, we decide to combine reads and even make a note of BOTH OUR thoughts on the reads that are DIFFERENT on the list... Makes it "fake hydra dissonance" and the reads themselves "fake"?

-Fenix

Nope. It's exactly the one read that I think you have pretended to disagree on.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:55 am

This needs answering:

In post 3405, Zdenek wrote:Why didn't you even present the case that you used to convince Bulba to let you off the leash in the thread at the start of the day?

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:35 pm

You realize that doesn't answer my question right?

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:34 pm

BF claim now.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:35 pm

I'm taking that as a VT claim.

Lynch now please.

Zdenek · Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:12 pm

Vote them so they'll claim.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:05 pm

Bulba, even if you flip town. I'd vote someone for the same thing every time.
That's just the way it has to be sometimes.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:27 pm

In post 3532, BulbaFenix wrote:You put your fingers in your ears and went "La la la. I'm not listnening. La la la." Everything you pointed to as evidence either didn't exist or was sufficiently explained. And if you're town, you're a horrible scumhunter. Right up there with Serene.

Not explained at all is what I like to call it.

Zdenek · Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:28 pm

cool if that's legit.