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Hey everybody! Quick breakdown of what's happening:
Fenix is going to be doing a lot of the driving in this hydra, as he has more time to devote than I do. I should be in during a 3 hr. window Mon.-Fri., by which point you'll probably have had enough of my walls of posts. I do talk with Fenix on a regular basis (we know each other irl.), so I will be aware of what is happening at all times.
Be warned, I think Metal Sonic has a hard on for me.
I'm going to be going back and actually catching up on the thread (via 3DS if necessary). When I've caught up, Fenix and I will convene about our reads, and I will then post my standard catch-up reads. Until then, Fenix will be keeping track of current events and interacting with everyone. See you soon.
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Now hold on. Someone changing their mind or getting a different vibe from a player is quite common. I noticed what Shadi has done and he's not getting off the hook that easy.In post 751, StubbsKVM wrote:
Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.In post 747, Shadi1337 wrote:
Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.In post 743, StubbsKVM wrote:
you're not getting it.In post 740, Shadi1337 wrote:Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.
I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.
You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.
That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.
I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.
You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??
I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.
What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.
But, neither are you. For me, you sitting here trying to make a case from the timing of his posts is a terrible argument to try and make a stand on. Complaining about no one backing you up on it doesn't help your case against Shadi either.StubbsKVM wrote: Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point. I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose
Shadi, your case is a very piss poor one too. Firstly, how does you not giving reads and forming them through other reads help any case you're trying to make right now? I'm willing to accept the fact that you are human and therefor are susceptible to error as far as your posting issue goes. But, from a player stand point, you trying to use other reads to form your own reads REEKS of something scum would do.
As of now, besides Crab, who do YOUShadihave where in your reads? And don't give me this "I don't have reads" bullcrap either.
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Why the vote on Orc?
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NoneIn post 772, T S O wrote:On a scale of Stevie to Nero, what end is the towncred I get for voting Stevie at?.
For me, it's his (Shadi) want to form his reads with other reads. Not in a "buddying" sort of manner, but in a sheep like manner.Rift Adrift wrote:
I like that you responded to that post with a tangent that leads directly to one of the big questions currently on the table.In post 787, Calcifer wrote:What do you think of Shadi?
Leaning town.
Could be some residual guilt involved. I replaced out of a game over an issue with the mod. Was so pissed I didn't post an update on my reads, and left him to the tender mercies of kuribo who eventually replaced into my slot.
But, despite his stance in that game, which does ring all sorts of objective-scum bells, I got a sense of town motivation out of it all eventually.
This game has more noise and he's being attacked from more directions, which makes it a little harder to tease out the motivation from his posts, so my town read is tentative.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28496
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Specify query.In post 790, Rift Adrift wrote:
You're reading Shadi as town because of a sheeplike manner wrt forming reads?In post 789, BulbaFenix wrote:You're reading Shadi as town because of a sheeplike manner wrt forming reads?-
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No. I am seeing him null/scum right now.In post 792, Rift Adrift wrote:
I was trying to quote this, and reflect it back to see if i understood it.In post 789, BulbaFenix wrote:For me, it's his (Shadi) want to form his reads with other reads. Not in a "buddying" sort of manner, but in a sheep like manner.
Are you reading Shadi as town?
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^^ This is a response to this vvIn post 795, Rift Adrift wrote:
What is this?In post 783, BulbaFenix wrote:@Mod
Sorry. Posted from my OTHER profile by mistake.
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He said give him names and he will give a few reads. I'm now waiting to hear his response.In post 761, Shadi1337 wrote:
It is not, and yes you're an being an idiot.In post 751, StubbsKVM wrote:
Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.In post 747, Shadi1337 wrote:
Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.In post 743, StubbsKVM wrote:
you're not getting it.In post 740, Shadi1337 wrote:Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.
I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.
You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.
That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.
I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.
You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??
I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.
What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.
Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point.
I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose
And maybe noone's backing you up as it's not that strong, and/or have stronger reads. Also a human act you don't seem to accept.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000 (my first game on site btw) I don't really see why Cabd thinks I'm that strong of a town, but then again he read my ass pretty fucking well in this game and with that I don't mean alignment as Cab was scum but my thoughts and future actions. He hasn't yet seen me as a confirmed scum to say what my town meta is and not, although I guess it's a similar feeling I have with him now but this time I'm reading town.In post 757, T S O wrote:
My goodness, why don't you actually SHOW us the game you're referencing instead of wasting your time making a pretty box?In post 745, KingCrabd wrote:
No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.
As I said earlier pls give me names then I will give a few reads. I don't really understand why reading other people's reads and form your own out of actions and possible groups is scum, I can see why scum would do it but I really don't see why it's a stupid villager move. Isn't that how most wagons and such start?In post 758, BulbaFenix wrote:
Now hold on. Someone changing their mind or getting a different vibe from a player is quite common. I noticed what Shadi has done and he's not getting off the hook that easy.In post 751, StubbsKVM wrote:
Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.In post 747, Shadi1337 wrote:
Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.In post 743, StubbsKVM wrote:
you're not getting it.In post 740, Shadi1337 wrote:Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.
I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.
You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.
That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.
I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.
You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??
I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.
What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.
But, neither are you. For me, you sitting here trying to make a case from the timing of his posts is a terrible argument to try and make a stand on. Complaining about no one backing you up on it doesn't help your case against Shadi either.StubbsKVM wrote: Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point. I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose
Shadi, your case is a very piss poor one too. Firstly, how does you not giving reads and forming them through other reads help any case you're trying to make right now? I'm willing to accept the fact that you are human and therefor are susceptible to error as far as your posting issue goes. But, from a player stand point, you trying to use other reads to form your own reads REEKS of something scum would do.
As of now, besides Crab, who do YOUShadihave where in your reads? And don't give me this "I don't have reads" bullcrap either.
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Why the vote on Orc?
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Caught up and have snuck onto a computer. Disappointed with Fenix, as he was supposed to help me by getting me live reads while I read through the game. Anyway, here is the official reads list and catchup post:
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Rift Adrift: 1 of 2 strong town reads from when I was initially skimming the thread before we replaced in. They are actively scumhunting, and all of their posts read genuine.
Calcifer: 2nd of the strong town reads from initial skim. Same as Calcifer, only not as strong.
King Crabd: All of their posts read as genuine. There is no attempt at fakery here.
Ankamius: There is some genuine thought here. I was a little nervous about his mention of LYLO in #328, but I get the sense that he's the type of player to consider that as town.
DOMO: Not as much of a gut read as the others. They appeal to the logic part of me, and they are actively scumhunting. Everything they do comes from town motivation. Therefore, they're town.
Metal Sonic: Trust me, he's town. I wish he'd post more, though, without me having to tunnel him to death...
Baby Spice: What little she's posted has consisted of actual scumhunting. I'd like to see more, but I'm willing to call her town for now.
BROseidon: Everybody who thinks he's scum needs to have their heads examined. Calling out a stupid anti-town plan is not scummy. Self-voting is not scummy (contrary to popular opinion). Heck, in Voided's Nightless Mountainous game, there were 4 self votes (including myself). Guess what? They were all town. He's doing some genuine scumhunting here. He's town. Deal with it.
Null/Town
Zdenek: I almost want to call him town. However, he's done a few things that I've never seen from him before when he was town in Voided's game. I want to observe him a little bit more first before I put him fully in the town pile.
TheIrishPope: Fenix convinced me to put him more in the null section. Personally, I like him for town. I'm not sure I see the scum motivation in his posts. Regardless, he makes me laugh, so I'm not keen about lynching him anytime soon.
Null
Orcinus_theoriginal: Not sure how to take this one. On the one hand, I like him for town, due to him actively scumhunting. On the other hand, I'm not agreeing with a lot of his reads, and he's been too eager lately to jump on some really fishy wagons. I think I'll need more time to sort this one out.
Serene: Personally, I'd love to list this slot as town, not only because I liked the Newbie rage quit from their predecessor, but also because I like the idea of all the hydras being town together. However, I really do not like #646. Normally when I've seen town super secret hydras, they are not worried about being lynched should the heads become known, rather, they're worried about being NK'd. The fact that Serene said lynched suggests that they're not worried about the NK. I also do not like their push of Calcifer. The only reason they are null is because I see reasons why they could be town, and I originally wanted to put them as null/town. However, Fenix wanted to put them as scum. We compromised, hence the null.
The Goat: Nothing much has been posted from this slot. The closest we get to anything alignment indicative is #461, which feels slightly town to me. Interested in what we get from his replacement.
TSO: Honestly, I keep flip flopping on him. He'll post something I'll believe is scummy, such as some of his initial cases, or his attack of Metal Sonic, or his recent push for town cred. But then he'll post a bunch of things that are strongly town. I'll probably watch him and see what I think about him tomorrow.
Nero: Eddie likes him for town. I have a bit of a scum lean on him. However, I'm not sure if this is due to actual scumminess or a difference in playstyle. He posts similarly to TIP, but he's not doing so to be funny. He doesn't explain any of his reads, he attacks players without basis, and I'm sure I've seen him arbitrarily sheeping at points (I need to check this one out later.). At best his play is anti-town. I'm just not sure if it's actually scummy.
?Null/Scum?
Shadi1337: To be honest, I'm beginning to like him more, so he may move up before long. I just didn't like his flail earlier, as I didn't think that it felt like town flail. Fenix and I struggled real hard on his placement. Actually, screw it, he's plain null. Fenix, we can talk about it later.
Actual Null/Scum
StubbsKVM: Fenix and I went back and forth on this one. Admittedly, it's a gut read. I don't think that a lot of his posts feel genuine. Definitely going to watch this slot as the day progresses.
Brian Hollywood: Fenix fought for his placement closer to the scum pile. Brian hasn't posted anything game related. All of his posts have avoided what was actually happening at the time. I also don't buy his reaction to Zdenek's fake day kill, as that gambit is common enough that Brian's reaction could be faked (I've actually seen it at least twice before, and I'm relatively new to the site.).
Scum
TMTOLBTWNTOF: I actually agree with our predecessor on this slot, although I get the feeling that Fenix is not convinced. TMT is active lurking. What he posts appears to be content at first glance, but it is actually saying nothing of importance.
Doc Holliday: I don't like his blatant opportunism. I also feel that he and TIP are not on the same team, due to his #75 and TIP's response. If Doc is actually town, I'm actually going to take a second look at TIP.
StevieT92: His reasons for voting and suspecting slots near the beginning of the day were bad, and I also didn't like how he said that no one should be townreading anybody so early in the game. It felt like he was trying to keep town from finding each other for as long as possible, and instead wanted them to focus on who he deigned as scum. His posts since then have not improved.
Dramonic: His posts have contained absolutely no content. #734 feels more like knowledge than actual setup spec. He feels sure in his answer, where anybody speculating would use language that indicated that they were unsure or guessing.
ProHawk: Post #10 was really bad, as has been repeatedly explained. However, I can understand why people are hesitant to use that as their only reasoning. His later posts, though, do not feel like town. They have a slimy quality to them, and it feels as if he's trying to manipulate people when he addresses them so that they say something that he can attack as scummy. He's scum and needs to be lynched as soon as possible. I'll be addressing some of his posts soon.
Going to address a few more recent posts before I go. Any questions?
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It's interesting that you're insinuating that Crabd is scum via meta when you haven't even looked up his meta.In post 763, ProHawk wrote:Dear Crabd, Would I be able to catch you as scum by looking at your scum game? Or would it look eerily like your town game? Hmmmm....
Your subtlety here is almost admirable. You really want that BRO mislynch, don't you. I also like how you make sure that you mention it was someone else's idea, since you could just point to that later should BRO flip town.In post 763, ProHawk wrote: On my phone, but want to reiterate what someone said about the BRO wagon disintegrating due to his absence. Outta Sight Outta Mind.
Actually, I told Fenix to put the vote on Stevie. Fenix and I have already discussed his penchant for being overly dramatic when placing his vote. The vote is real and is staying where it's at.In post 765, Zdenek wrote:
Indeed. They are bussing right now. Fenix even makes sure everyone knows his vote is temporary.In post 750, TheIrishPope wrote:^ I can see this slot as scum
That is a horrible reason to read a slot as scum.In post 765, Zdenek wrote: Bro's even joining other games, so town read cancelled.
Are you seriously using the Gambler's Fallacy on our predecessor to suggest that we are scum?In post 766, Serene wrote:Bulba replaced Mac right?
This head reads Mac as scum because he complained in one game about being scum alot and then replaced out.
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What's your other head saying about Prohawk right now, King?In post 834, KingCrabd wrote:Bulba, Prohawk and I have extensive offsite meta together. However, It's been town/town meta offsite exclusively. He also followed (and did not play in) a game where I was scum. As for the other head, he's been scum with prohawk, so there's that.
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That's cute. Because, if you actually read that huge post where Bulba came in and posted, you are null. Bulba head wanted you as null/town, I'm the one who has the feeling that you are scummy.In post 849, Serene wrote:How cute. Bulba starts calling us scum after the site deleted our post where i referred to him as scum.
Serene wrote:Bulba is almost confirmed scum in the eyes of head #2
Go read Macs posts in that Goonies scum QT and tell me what sticks out
go ahead. i'll wait here.
. Still pushing that Gambler's Fallacy, eh? Cute.
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Well screw you bud.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Post #10 was really bad, as has been repeatedly explained. However, I can understand why people are hesitant to use that as their only reasoning.
SO wait... bad like scum bad?
Bad like idiotic bad?
Bad like you are scum and can't ignore my post so must comment and take the side of the majority?
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Bad like baaaad man. That idea rocks?
I'm getting off the phone with Bulba now... He's at the library... Here's your headstart to run....ProHawk wrote:
Humm... I think I have been accused of this before... yeah!In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:They have a slimy quality to them, and it feels as if he's trying to manipulate people when he addresses them so that they say something that he can attack as scummy. He's scum and needs to be lynched as soon as possible. I'll be addressing some of his posts soon.
Anyway...
Your assumption here makesIn post 833, BulbaFenix wrote:
It's interesting that you're insinuating that Crabd is scum via meta when you haven't even looked up his meta.youlook the fool. It's bad and you should feel bad.
I wasn't being subtle, but ok... I don't often take credit for others ideas ; do you?In post 833, BulbaFenix wrote:
Your subtlety here is almost admirable. You really want that BRO mislynch, don't you. I also like how you make sure that you mention it was someone else's idea, since you could just point to that later should BRO flip town.
Also, this sounds eerily like you know what BRO would flip... why is that? Your rationale of why he is town consists of: He is doing genuine scum-hunting and the things he has done aren't scummy (In your opinion). Because scum would never genuinely hunt-scum. Amirite?Scum could never not do something scummy.
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The ones on TIP and Calcifer and your jump on Shadi.In post 835, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:What 'fishy wagons'
It is.In post 836, Shadi1337 wrote:Lold @ ur read on me Bulba sounds confused.
I dislike the "too scummy to be scum" fallacy. Just so ya know.In post 836, Shadi1337 wrote: He's being anti-town but so anti-town that he could just be town.
My 3DS was unable to connect to the site during the weekend, and obviously a lot of things that I cannot see or respond to were lost. It's hard to react to something that does not exist.In post 849, Serene wrote:How cute. Bulba starts calling us scum after the site deleted our post where i referred to him as scum.
Please read Mac's handful of quotes in this game and give me your thoughts. Better yet, give me your thoughts on our posts so far this game.In post 850, Serene wrote:Bulba is almost confirmed scum in the eyes of head #2
Go read Macs posts in that Goonies scum QT and tell me what sticks out
go ahead. i'll wait here.
go ahead. I'll wait here.
You're seriously suggesting that scum would want to take the risk of leaving an unknown factor in play? Are you high?In post 851, Serene wrote:And the whole thing about "why are they worried about getting lynched" is taking a throwaway joke a little too seriously. I've been asked to tell you that scum would be too afraid to NK that which is unknown to them.
That's too bad. There tends to be a lot of good stuff d1.In post 852, dramonic wrote: I'm not dead-weight, I just don't put any faith in Day 1.
You can always make yourself useful and retype it. I'll wait.In post 861, Nero wrote:dire. i made a 2000 word post summarising my reads, pity the server got rid of them.
My meaning was obvious given the context. However, since you lack the basic reading comprehension necessary, I'll reiterate: Incredibly scummy bad and must be lynched ASAP. Do you really want to get into a game of semantics with the writer?In post 863, ProHawk wrote:
Well screw you bud.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Post #10 was really bad, as has been repeatedly explained. However, I can understand why people are hesitant to use that as their only reasoning.
SO wait... bad like scum bad?
Bad like idiotic bad?
Bad like you are scum and can't ignore my post so must comment and take the side of the majority?
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Bad like baaaad man. That idea rocks?
Using someone else's meta against me does not impress me in the slightest. Do you actually want to discuss my point, or are you simply wasting my time?In post 864, ProHawk wrote:
Humm... I think I have been accused of this before... yeah!In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:They have a slimy quality to them, and it feels as if he's trying to manipulate people when he addresses them so that they say something that he can attack as scummy. He's scum and needs to be lynched as soon as possible. I'll be addressing some of his posts soon.
What was your point then? Saying I'm stupid does absolutely nothing if you don't explain your original premise. Or was the point here simply to discredit me?In post 864, ProHawk wrote:
Your assumption here makesIn post 833, BulbaFenix wrote:
It's interesting that you're insinuating that Crabd is scum via meta when you haven't even looked up his meta.youlook the fool. It's bad and you should feel bad.
You weren't. Ok, I now know what your shouting voice looks like.In post 864, ProHawk wrote:
I wasn't being subtleIn post 833, BulbaFenix wrote:
Your subtlety here is almost admirable. You really want that BRO mislynch, don't you. I also like how you make sure that you mention it was someone else's idea, since you could just point to that later should BRO flip town.
Saying that it was somebody else's idea gave you an out. It's not exactly like "BROseidon needs more attention paid to him" is such an original idea anyway...In post 864, ProHawk wrote: but ok... I don't often take credit for others ideas ; do you?
Yes, because "should" indicates my obvious knowledge of his alignment.In post 864, ProHawk wrote: Also, this sounds eerily like you know what BRO would flip... why is that?
That's misrepresenting my position. There's a difference between how town scum hunts and how scum "scum hunts", mainly the fact that scum is pretending to do so while town is genuine in their pursuits. As such, there should be ways to tell the 2 apart. I get the distinct impression that BRO is genuine in his attempts to find scum, and it shows in how he pursues suspects and types his posts.In post 864, ProHawk wrote: Because scum would never genuinely hunt-scum. Amirite?Scum could never not do something scummy.
Also, the only way scum would ever genuinely scum hunt would be if this was multi-ball and they were searching for another scum team. Are you suggesting that this is the case?
I also find it interesting that you start posting up a storm right after I call you scum. Speaking of which, Dramonic is getting the attention he deserves.
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What about it do you find confusing?In post 867, Rift Adrift wrote: This is a confusing post.
That's probably the funniest thing I've heard all day. Were you actually trying to dispute something or simply posting gibberish?In post 870, Serene wrote:
Your heads are so indistinguishable that I couldn't care less which one said what.In post 865, BulbaFenix wrote:That's cute. Because, if you actually read that huge post where Bulba came in and posted, you are null. Bulba head wanted you as null/town, I'm the one who has the feeling that you are scummy.
Really? Because I find it to be null. How are you coming with that post analysis I asked of you?In post 871, Serene wrote:
It's not a Gambler's Fallacy.In post 865, BulbaFenix wrote:. Still pushing that Gambler's Fallacy, eh? Cute.
Mac said he was tired of rolling scum IN A GAME WHERE HE REPLACED OUT AS SCUM.
Therefore, his replacing out of THIS game while he continues to join OTHER games is absolutely significant.
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You REALLY don't know Bulba very well then, do you? You should start reading and start answering his questions... Last thing you want to do is get into a war with him. It won't end well for you. Besides, it's not that hard to read walls.In post 881, Serene wrote:And for the record I can't really find where you asked me to do anything but maybe it's because I'm not reading the massive blocks of meandering feces that are your insanely long wall posts
Simple. The reason why we voted Dramonic over ProHawk is because Dramonic is a viable wagon and ProHawk is not.Rift Adrift wrote:
The fact that you(?) voted dramonic at the end of all that disputation with ProHawke. Trajectory fail.In post 872, BulbaFenix wrote:What about it do you find confusing?
Bull. Skype, AIM, and a QT can be ran off from the mafia scum site.Serene wrote:I know what you mean, my heads that actually read the game haven't posted in the QT since before the crash
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I'm not threatening you. I'm promising you that you're in for a fun time soon. That's all.In post 898, Serene wrote:In post 895, BulbaFenix wrote:You REALLY don't know Bulba very well then, do you? You should start reading and start answering his questions... Last thing you want to do is get into a war with him. It won't end well for you.
Don't.
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Threaten.
Me.
I don't take it well.
You should talk to him, Nero.Nero wrote:serene can you fucking vote stevie now so i dont need to attempt to communicate with you anymore.
I'm going to leave this one to Bulba's head.Rift Adrift wrote:
Why dramonic over Stevie?In post 895, BulbaFenix wrote:Simple. The reason why we voted Dramonic over ProHawk is because Dramonic is a viable wagon and ProHawk is not.
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I'm sorry. I just assumed that you were playing the game.In post 880, Serene wrote:In post 872, BulbaFenix wrote:Really? Because I find it to be null. How are you coming with that post analysis I asked of you?
why are you assuming that I'm either of the heads that read the game prior to replacing in?
Yes, because actually providing actual analysis or a case on the person you're accusing to be scum is so hard. It must be a trap.In post 880, Serene wrote: or assuming that I feel the need to do anything asked of me by scum?
So you're dodging my questions, avoiding giving actual analysis, and trying to discredit my points. Remind me why you're not scum again?In post 881, Serene wrote:And for the record I can't really find where you asked me to do anything but maybe it's because I'm not reading the massive blocks of meandering feces that are your insanely long wall posts
Because Dramonic is a stronger scum read than Stevie.In post 900, Rift Adrift wrote:
Why dramonic over Stevie?In post 895, BulbaFenix wrote:Simple. The reason why we voted Dramonic over ProHawk is because Dramonic is a viable wagon and ProHawk is not.
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Because, and I can't stress this enoughIn post 909, BulbaFenix wrote:So you're dodging my questions, avoiding giving actual analysis, and trying to discredit my points. Remind me why you're not scum again?
I HAVENT READ THE FUCKING GAME YOU SCUM FUCK
What's your excuse now?In post 866, BulbaFenix wrote:
Please read Mac's handful of quotes in this game and give me your thoughts. Better yet, give me your thoughts on our posts so far this game.In post 850, Serene wrote:Bulba is almost confirmed scum in the eyes of head #2
Go read Macs posts in that Goonies scum QT and tell me what sticks out
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All I'm asking for you to do is actually be pro-town and provide some actual analysis. If you can't do that, you may as well claim scum and put yourself out of your misery.
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First, if this is Kuribo, I've seen you as town, and I know that as town, there would be nothing that'd be stopping you from catching up with the game. Heck, you've even bragged that you once hammered so you could catch up overnight. I don't see what's keeping you from catching up in this game. We replaced in after you, and I was able to catch up in 3 days, on a 3DS no less!In post 924, Serene wrote:
my analysis is that shadi is town, mac is scum ergo you are scum, and also FUCK YOUIn post 920, BulbaFenix wrote:All I'm asking for you to do is actually be pro-town and provide some actual analysis. If you can't do that, you may as well claim scum and put yourself out of your misery.
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i don't cry, fucker, you want to bring it then bring it
Second, if this is Kuribo, the fact that you have stayed in the background and have not been hardpushing your scum reads speaks volumes to me. In fact, the only reason you are posting like you usually do now is because I've pushed the right buttons to get you to stop lurking so that you may actually contribute. I'm not asking for a miracle here, simply for you to scumhunt and provide some analysis. If you can't do that, then you are completely useless and anti-town at best, scummy at worse.
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Hello strawman. My issue is not with you not catching up, rather it is with you refusing to provide actual analysis and contribute to discussion.In post 951, Serene wrote:
better watch it bulba will call you scumIn post 950, Ankamius wrote:And now I've lost all my motivation to try catching up today.
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So Calcifer is scum, because he went along with ProHawk's idea (which I will agree was bad), and I'm scum, because Mac replaced out? Am I understanding your cases correctly?In post 954, Serene wrote:Except that I DID.
I've explained my slot's scumread on Calcifer
I've explained my own scum read on you
I've explained that I see shadi as town
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In post 957, Serene wrote:now who's not fucking reading?
In post 944, Serene wrote:Head #1 felt strongly enough about it to put down a vote but admitted that it was gut and that wasn't much to go on
Head #3 agreed that Nacho may be scum
Head #2 is me and I trust the other two's reads above even my ownIn post 958, Serene wrote:and for the record I have no clue what idea of ProHawk's your referring to
Want to run the not reading thing by me again?In post 672, Serene wrote:Calcifer actually went along with the bone-headed idea of supplying 4 players for some insane lynch pool.
Then voted a townie.
I want to hang this scummy thing in the temple of all that is sacred.
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All I've heard from your hydra is that we are scum due to Mac replacing out, which as I've explained, is a null tell and is not indicative of alignment. If you have something better, then by all means, let's hear it so that we can actually discuss something.
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First, if you want to be technical, it was actually Fenix who threatened you, which I felt wasn't necessary. However, I would look at it less like being threatened, and more like being warned, since he knew what was coming and only wanted to give you a heads up. He knows that being dismissed and having my posts discredited without them actually being addressed is a major scumtell of mine, and that I'm willing to call anybody out on it and reveal such blatant scumposting for what it is.In post 967, Serene wrote:Remember--- I called you scum, and YOU threatened me.
Don't you ever in your fucking LIFE call my bluff Bulba.
Second, I'm not afraid of going toe to toe with you or anybody else, especially if I can get some valuable information from it and bring certain truths to light, such as the fact that you don't have anything substantial case-wise.
So that IS the entirety of your case, and YOU are the only one pushing it, which means that I addressed my original question to the right source. It is not too much to ask a player to provide analysis on the slot that they are accusing of being scum. Your refusal to do so speaks volumes about your actual case and your slot in general. It would have taken maybe 10 min. to do an ISO of both Mac and our hydra and give your thoughts on what was actually posted. Instead, you have sought to sling insults and discredit us without even addressing our concerns, which is way scummier than simply replacing out. In this regard, your excuse about not reading is crap. Simply put, if you are going to accuse someone of being scum, you better be prepared to back it up. If not, admit it is a gut read and move on so that the rest of us can continue scumhunting in peace.In post 966, Serene wrote: The replace out IS indicative of alignment to me. And honestly, that's all I really give a damn about. I read you as scum--- ONE head of a slot, even. One of the others said they trusted me and the third didn't comment.
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P-edit: Rift, what did you think about Mac's TMT case? I thought it was actually pretty good, and I'm actually sorry that he wasn't able to keep on pushing it. Also, you had him as a town read earlier in the game. I can understand the read changing due to him not posting, but why was your slot convinced Mac was town near the beginning of the day?Hydra of Bulbazak and Eddie Fenix.
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The whole case on Dramonic is that he's active lurking and not saying anything of substance. As far as ProHawk goes, I don't think we'll be able to get him lynched today, therefore we're focusing on our other scumspects. I think we'll be able to make a better push on ProHawk's slot on d2.
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Can I get an explanation for this quote?In post 955, Serene wrote: if i were scum, why would I even bother saying I hadn't read the thread? my other heads would just carry on
and for the record, if I was, i'd be powerfucking shadi right now because he'd be SO FUCKING EASY to mislynch
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In post 1017, Serene wrote:Mac IS bulba, you illiterate boob
Bulba is Bulbazak.
Well... Seeing as how you mention it now, what are your reads exactly?Serene wrote:Because as part of a closed scum hydra, id have no need to pretend i havent read the game. i could just as easily sheep my heads. or not post at all, letting the others do the work. it wouldnt matter what my reads were since no one was asking for them when the other heads were posting. id just keep my mouth shut.
shadi is pretty blatantly an easy mislynch. i read goonies mafia and if i were scum here, id drive him into the ground. and this town would be all about lynching him.
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In post 983, Rift Adrift wrote:
Don't be too complacent about bulba. My first game with him. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27049 Night kill cardflips weren't revealed, so town didn't know when we'd hit our last possible day to pull out a win.In post 981, BROseidon wrote:Bulba can join the town pile for now for 832. His reads seem genuine, like they come from reading the thread instead of just sheeping consensus.
He won at endgame as SK. He was thought to be town by most players, including the mafia.
Crap.In post 1123, Bulbazak wrote:
I don't mind caution, as long as it doesn't turn into a Burden of Proficiency case.In post 983, Rift Adrift wrote: Don't be too complacent about bulba.
All I've ever asked for is that you ISO both Mac and ourselves and give some analysis. You have refused to do so and are trying to dodge the issue by misrepping the entirety of our position. I don't think asking for actual analysis is too much, unless it interferes with you wanting to stay on the sidelines and only throw out crap reads.In post 1005, Serene wrote: its a gut read based mostly on Macs replace out. i never pretended it was more than that, but the fact that bulba acts like i put together some huge case that he deftly refuted is flat out wrong. its a gut feeling and i never said otherwise.
If you think that asking for actual gameplay analysis is scummy, this might not be your game. May I suggest Snakes and Ladders?In post 1036, Rift Adrift wrote: I actually find the extreme pushes for individual reads RIGHT NOW NO EXCUSES to be kinda opportunistic. I'm mostly concerned about bulbafenrix doing this yesterday.
Probably because you're active lurking and only appear when someone is voting or suspecting you.In post 1109, dramonic wrote:More importantly, why the fuck has everyone jumped on me? <_<
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I think I get what you are getting at here. Personally, I feel that it might be a mafia/townie mason (because I am paranoid about that sort of deal) pairing. And you're right, it shouldn't go untested. But, we shouldn't tunnel vision it either.In post 1133, BROseidon wrote:>:C
I don't want scum to be able to fakeclaim mason uncontested in the probable event that this isn't a scumgambit. Is nobody on the same wavelength as me here?
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Bulba explained that part and has poked me again to remind me of that. From my past experience on other sites, it was normal for that sort of thing to occur every now and again.In post 1144, Zdenek wrote:This is a normal game.
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In post 1136, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote: Bulba, please explain Stevie
I'd also like to add his backpedaling when confronted on his townreading comment, as well as him taking potshots at players without taking stances or providing analysis.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:StevieT92: His reasons for voting and suspecting slots near the beginning of the day were bad, and I also didn't like how he said that no one should be townreading anybody so early in the game. It felt like he was trying to keep town from finding each other for as long as possible, and instead wanted them to focus on who he deigned as scum. His posts since then have not improved.
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There still has to be reasoning why you think so.In post 1153, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i am voting people who i think are scum
It's true that Fenix is not as independent as I'd like and acts more like a subordinate than an equal in the hydra. It's something that we're working on. However, I do not like that your first action when confronting us is to attack the weak link.In post 1154, ProHawk wrote:
What are you like his little wench? This isn't the only time you have cried "Just wait till daddy gets home!!!"In post 865, BulbaFenix wrote:I'm getting off the phone with Bulba now... He's at the library... Here's your headstart to run....
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If asking questions, looking for motivation behind posts, and seeking to foster discussion is your idea of bully-tactics, then I'm going to squash as hard as I can.In post 1154, ProHawk wrote: Confrontation is no issue here, and your other head's idea of debate is to try and crush it with a boot and hope its squashed, which is nothing more than bully-tactics.
If you used said meta to expand upon your point, I'd understand, but you did not. Instead you implied that Crabd was scum via meta, without looking up or using said meta. This is evident with how you phrase that opening question, where you used "if", which means that you hadn't done so yet. You then end with "Hmmm...", which makes the whole thing an implication of scumminess, rather than an actual question designed to uncover motivation.In post 1154, ProHawk wrote: My point was... I have meta with Crabd, plenty of it in fact, and you accuse me of not looking up meta?
However, there should still be evidence that it is town scumhunting, rather than scum scumhunting. Do you see any evidence of this in BRO's posts?In post 1154, ProHawk wrote: I also was certainly not misrepresenting your case. I was however pointing out the fact that good scum will indeed genuinely scum-hunt like town. They can either forget that they are scum and proceed, or they can pretend that the game is multi-ball and attempt to find scum in that direction. Both scenarios, while not easily accomplished, are viable strategies that good scum are indeed capable of doing.
I have different reads on both you (scum) and BRO (town), and I find the way you're pushing BRO to be very scummy, i.e. you're pushing for a BRO mislynch. However, even though I think that, I still don't know what BRO will flip, therefore I use the subjective "should" rather than the definite "when".In post 1154, ProHawk wrote:
Maybe you shouldn't include such dissonance in succeeding sentences if you don't want to be misunderstood... tho it's probably just my shoddy reading comprehension right Bulba?In post 833, BulbaFenix wrote:You reallywant that BRO mislynch, don't you. I also like how you make sure that you mention it was someone else's idea, since you could just point to that latershould BRO flip town.
Answering the questions and contributing to discussion would probably help, although town should also probably be more involved with the game instead of active lurking.In post 1154, ProHawk wrote:
I would love to hear what your ideal "townie" would do right after a Bulba-Bully comes out with his accusatory-guns-of-flame.In post 866, BulbaFenix wrote: I also find it interesting that you start posting up a storm right after I call you scum. Speaking of which, Dramonic is getting the attention he deserves.
We had just replaced into the game and spent about half a week catching up, which means that we have not been a part of the actual flow of the game. Given this, it should be apparent that there are some scumspects we'll be able to get lynched d1, while there will be others we can't. You happen to be one of the lynches that I realized that we would not be able to get, therefore it is counterproductive to push your wagon today. I'd rather spend the rest of the day phase pushing the wagon of a more universal scumread than one that hardly anyone shares. Doing otherwise is anti-town and also foolish.In post 1154, ProHawk wrote:
What is this? We have over a week before the deadline and you are worried about putting a vote on me because I am not a viable wagon? What does that even mean? If no one were to ever vote me, then I would never be a viable wagon... so your logic here has to be some sort of fallacy.In post 895, BulbaFenix wrote:Simple. The reason why we voted Dramonic over ProHawk is because Dramonic is a viable wagon and ProHawk is not.
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Eh. I might get yelled at for it later. As I said, I'm trying to get him to play a more proactive role. Regardless, ProHawk's intent was to identify and attack weakness (The "just wait until daddy gets home" comment), which is more in line with scum intent. Do you agree or disagree with this?In post 1168, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
I would not want to hydra with youIt's true that Fenix is not as independent as I'd like and acts more like a subordinate than an equal in the hydra. It's something that we're working on. However, I do not like that your first action when confronting us is to attack theweak link.
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I'm confused on the wording of your question stubbs... Could you clarify a little better?In post 1174, StubbsKVM wrote:
why should I vote a mason?In post 1120, Serene wrote:dramonic is my mason.
Why would he unvote just to get a reaction from you or to spite you?ProHawk wrote:
It wasn't a question. You didn't do it naturally, you did it to either spite me or get a reaction. Either way it was your way of making a post like Holliday's directly to me. It doesn't count when the cat's already out of the bag.In post 1173, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:so why are you only now questioning me on my unvote
But really, you have already shown you aren't tentative with voting so you should throw down.
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Paranoia is setting in I can see.In post 1203, Serene wrote:hehehheh
HhehAHHE
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I CAN TASTE YOUR FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at dramonic's posts to see that, before the claim of the mason pairing, there is NOTHING that he is contributing as far as the hunt for scum goes. In my opinion, that is a common scummy way of playing. Lay low, dodge prods, throw in votes/minimal content here and there. Are you going to contribute to the hunt of scum or are you going to keep this up?Serene wrote:
Some quality scum tryharding up in this thread.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Caught up and have snuck onto a computer. Disappointed with Fenix, as he was supposed to help me by getting me live reads while I read through the game. Anyway, here is the official reads list and catchup post:
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Rift Adrift: 1 of 2 strong town reads from when I was initially skimming the thread before we replaced in. They are actively scumhunting, and all of their posts read genuine.
Calcifer: 2nd of the strong town reads from initial skim. Same as Calcifer, only not as strong.
King Crabd: All of their posts read as genuine. There is no attempt at fakery here.
Ankamius: There is some genuine thought here. I was a little nervous about his mention of LYLO in #328, but I get the sense that he's the type of player to consider that as town.
DOMO: Not as much of a gut read as the others. They appeal to the logic part of me, and they are actively scumhunting. Everything they do comes from town motivation. Therefore, they're town.
Metal Sonic: Trust me, he's town. I wish he'd post more, though, without me having to tunnel him to death...
Baby Spice: What little she's posted has consisted of actual scumhunting. I'd like to see more, but I'm willing to call her town for now.
BROseidon: Everybody who thinks he's scum needs to have their heads examined. Calling out a stupid anti-town plan is not scummy. Self-voting is not scummy (contrary to popular opinion). Heck, in Voided's Nightless Mountainous game, there were 4 self votes (including myself). Guess what? They were all town. He's doing some genuine scumhunting here. He's town. Deal with it.
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Zdenek: I almost want to call him town. However, he's done a few things that I've never seen from him before when he was town in Voided's game. I want to observe him a little bit more first before I put him fully in the town pile.
TheIrishPope: Fenix convinced me to put him more in the null section. Personally, I like him for town. I'm not sure I see the scum motivation in his posts. Regardless, he makes me laugh, so I'm not keen about lynching him anytime soon.
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Orcinus_theoriginal: Not sure how to take this one. On the one hand, I like him for town, due to him actively scumhunting. On the other hand, I'm not agreeing with a lot of his reads, and he's been too eager lately to jump on some really fishy wagons. I think I'll need more time to sort this one out.
Serene: Personally, I'd love to list this slot as town, not only because I liked the Newbie rage quit from their predecessor, but also because I like the idea of all the hydras being town together. However, I really do not like #646. Normally when I've seen town super secret hydras, they are not worried about being lynched should the heads become known, rather, they're worried about being NK'd. The fact that Serene said lynched suggests that they're not worried about the NK. I also do not like their push of Calcifer. The only reason they are null is because I see reasons why they could be town, and I originally wanted to put them as null/town. However, Fenix wanted to put them as scum. We compromised, hence the null.
The Goat: Nothing much has been posted from this slot. The closest we get to anything alignment indicative is #461, which feels slightly town to me. Interested in what we get from his replacement.
TSO: Honestly, I keep flip flopping on him. He'll post something I'll believe is scummy, such as some of his initial cases, or his attack of Metal Sonic, or his recent push for town cred. But then he'll post a bunch of things that are strongly town. I'll probably watch him and see what I think about him tomorrow.
Nero: Eddie likes him for town. I have a bit of a scum lean on him. However, I'm not sure if this is due to actual scumminess or a difference in playstyle. He posts similarly to TIP, but he's not doing so to be funny. He doesn't explain any of his reads, he attacks players without basis, and I'm sure I've seen him arbitrarily sheeping at points (I need to check this one out later.). At best his play is anti-town. I'm just not sure if it's actually scummy.
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Shadi1337: To be honest, I'm beginning to like him more, so he may move up before long. I just didn't like his flail earlier, as I didn't think that it felt like town flail. Fenix and I struggled real hard on his placement. Actually, screw it, he's plain null. Fenix, we can talk about it later.
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StubbsKVM: Fenix and I went back and forth on this one. Admittedly, it's a gut read. I don't think that a lot of his posts feel genuine. Definitely going to watch this slot as the day progresses.
Brian Hollywood: Fenix fought for his placement closer to the scum pile. Brian hasn't posted anything game related. All of his posts have avoided what was actually happening at the time. I also don't buy his reaction to Zdenek's fake day kill, as that gambit is common enough that Brian's reaction could be faked (I've actually seen it at least twice before, and I'm relatively new to the site.).
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TMTOLBTWNTOF: I actually agree with our predecessor on this slot, although I get the feeling that Fenix is not convinced. TMT is active lurking. What he posts appears to be content at first glance, but it is actually saying nothing of importance.
Doc Holliday: I don't like his blatant opportunism. I also feel that he and TIP are not on the same team, due to his #75 and TIP's response. If Doc is actually town, I'm actually going to take a second look at TIP.
StevieT92: His reasons for voting and suspecting slots near the beginning of the day were bad, and I also didn't like how he said that no one should be townreading anybody so early in the game. It felt like he was trying to keep town from finding each other for as long as possible, and instead wanted them to focus on who he deigned as scum. His posts since then have not improved.
Dramonic: His posts have contained absolutely no content. #734 feels more like knowledge than actual setup spec. He feels sure in his answer, where anybody speculating would use language that indicated that they were unsure or guessing.
ProHawk: Post #10 was really bad, as has been repeatedly explained. However, I can understand why people are hesitant to use that as their only reasoning. His later posts, though, do not feel like town. They have a slimy quality to them, and it feels as if he's trying to manipulate people when he addresses them so that they say something that he can attack as scummy. He's scum and needs to be lynched as soon as possible. I'll be addressing some of his posts soon.
Going to address a few more recent posts before I go. Any questions?
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BOKO WO MITE
BOKO WO MITE
I LISTED READ ON EEEREYBODY IN DA CLUB.
PICK THESE APART AND YOU SEE THESE READS FOR THE SHALLOW SACKS OF CONTENT THEY REALLY ARE.
"dramonic has posted almost no content" = "THE GRASS IS FUCKING GREEN AND GUESS WHAT THE SKY IS BLUE"
and theres so much dissonance and excuses to be on the fence on about a 100 people its not even funny
this shit
needs
to BURN
VOTE: BULBAFENIX
Grasping at straws here... But I have to ask about the final quote here because it makes no sense at all. What exactly are you trying to say?Serene wrote:We are not lynching Bulba scum at the moment. We await are death at the hand's of him and his partners, and hope we pass into the other realm with warm wishes and the promise of Bulba's head at a future date.
For now, we will let Bulba lead us to his own partners
Unvote:
Vote: Stevie
As one who wants to stay in the good graces with a black mask is wont to do.
Caps fluff post... *yawn* Are you even trying to play at this point?Serene wrote:IM TIRED OF THIS HIPPIE BULLSHIT
YOU LEAVE A TOWN TO ITS OWN ACCORD AND THEY GO AND DRIVE THEMSELVES OFF AF UCKING CLIFF
I SWEAR TO GOD WE CAN SHOUT THAT BULBA IS SCUM EVEN AS A CORPSE AND PEOPLE WOULD JUST SHRUG IT OFF AND KEEP ON KEEPING ON RIGHT INTO THEIR OWN HELL
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I think you're paranoid that we are seeing your slot as scummy.In post 1217, Serene wrote:
BUT I THOUGHT I WAS SCUM?In post 1212, BulbaFenix wrote:Paranoia is setting in I can see.
ONLY FUCKING TOWN ARE PARANOID
YOU DISSONANT PIECE OF MAFIA
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You are a kind soul deep down,
please, remember yourself.
And remember you can only kill one scum at a time.
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I'm accusing you of the fluff part because you're adding nothing to context or actively scum hunting, which town does. Bulba is not accusing you of that. Are we REALLY ignoring players who haven't done jack/shit? I don't think so. I know how my partner plays and have danced against him when we sat on opposite ends of the table twice. When he has his sites set on someone, he's like a bloodhound with a scent that won't quit till it finds what its looking for. I've privately talked to Bulba about the meta thing and honestly, that's all speculation from his end. The "weak head" part we discussed earlier today in private. That has been sorted out.Serene wrote:
Your opportunism in attacking what you viewed as a vulnerable head (an accusation you later went on to attack someone else with after doing this yourself)In post 1220, BulbaFenix wrote:Tell me, what makes us so scummy to you??
Your constant "POST READS NOW READS NOW READS NOW THOSE AREN'T READS READS NOW" while ignoring other players who have done jack and or shit
Your endless "ohhh you just wait till bulba sees this" fuck you and your bulba
Accusing people of posting fluff while again ignoring people who do the same
Your attempt to use the meta of a player who ISN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING GAME to justify your anything ("I've seen kuribo as town and" no fuck you)
and thats just off the top of my head really
when you get to hell, tell them you're not quite fucking sure if kuribo sent you
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You call that a "free pass"?In post 1226, Serene wrote:Except you DO give nero a free pass for doing jack shit:
In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Nero: Eddie likes him for town. I have a bit of a scum lean on him. However, I'm not sure if this is due to actual scumminess or a difference in playstyle. He posts similarly to TIP, but he's not doing so to be funny. He doesn't explain any of his reads, he attacks players without basis, and I'm sure I've seen him arbitrarily sheeping at points (I need to check this one out later.). At best his play is anti-town. I'm just not sure if it's actually scummy.
He was asking for Nero or TMT... Not sure why you would even mention dram in there.Serene wrote:
Dram has contributed many dramlike things.In post 1219, Serene wrote:What has Nero or TOTPBWhatever contributed?
To accuse otherwise, to paint otherwise
You are a scum artist.
You'll have to wait on Bulba to get back to you on that one. I'm not as up to snuff as he is on MS.ProHawk wrote:
No clue, should ask him. It just seems like it fits his personality.In post 1196, BulbaFenix wrote:Why would he unvote just to get a reaction from you or to spite you?
Oh, while I am here, I can't seem to find your user on MS, could you link me some games I can look at?
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First hydra game. Most of my other games are off site. How many you want and which style do you want?In post 1231, ProHawk wrote:I need your meta Fenix... is this your first game?
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I read it one way, my partner reads it another and we met in the middle for a null read. It's called compromise! No one gets a free pass, I promise you that.In post 1233, Serene wrote:
The part where you called him town, then explained why he's scummy, then said you weren't sure it was scummy?In post 1230, BulbaFenix wrote:You call that a "free pass"?
Yep, looks like a free pass to me.
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http://midnighttcg.com/showthread.php?8012-Clue-Mafia < Clue Mafia from MTCGIn post 1239, ProHawk wrote:I would like a town game and a scum game please.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26550 < Newbie 1349 Bad Apples game
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That's part of what made me initially suspect him as scum, as well as his 3 scum reads in #44, which read as fake and sloppily thrown together. However, it was his lack of scumhunting and his posts only designed to stir the pot that cemented my scumread.In post 1176, StubbsKVM wrote: So my question. Are you all still voting on that townread on page 2 comment? Or is there something else I'm not seeing?
I'm not trying to push it, since I only mentioned it once, and in a catchup post at that.In post 1203, Serene wrote: BULBA IS REALLY TRYIGN TO PUSH US ON THAT HORSESHIT "THEYRE AFRAID TO BE LYNCHED" LINE?
That's my catchup reads post, which I do in every game I replace in. I wasn't trying to push anything in particular, simply stating on what my thoughts are on the game and the various slots after replacing in and reading through the entirety of the thread.In post 1204, Serene wrote:
Some quality scum tryharding up in this thread.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Caught up and have snuck onto a computer. Disappointed with Fenix, as he was supposed to help me by getting me live reads while I read through the game. Anyway, here is the official reads list and catchup post:
Town
Rift Adrift: 1 of 2 strong town reads from when I was initially skimming the thread before we replaced in. They are actively scumhunting, and all of their posts read genuine.
Calcifer: 2nd of the strong town reads from initial skim. Same as Calcifer, only not as strong.
King Crabd: All of their posts read as genuine. There is no attempt at fakery here.
Ankamius: There is some genuine thought here. I was a little nervous about his mention of LYLO in #328, but I get the sense that he's the type of player to consider that as town.
DOMO: Not as much of a gut read as the others. They appeal to the logic part of me, and they are actively scumhunting. Everything they do comes from town motivation. Therefore, they're town.
Metal Sonic: Trust me, he's town. I wish he'd post more, though, without me having to tunnel him to death...
Baby Spice: What little she's posted has consisted of actual scumhunting. I'd like to see more, but I'm willing to call her town for now.
BROseidon: Everybody who thinks he's scum needs to have their heads examined. Calling out a stupid anti-town plan is not scummy. Self-voting is not scummy (contrary to popular opinion). Heck, in Voided's Nightless Mountainous game, there were 4 self votes (including myself). Guess what? They were all town. He's doing some genuine scumhunting here. He's town. Deal with it.
Null/Town
Zdenek: I almost want to call him town. However, he's done a few things that I've never seen from him before when he was town in Voided's game. I want to observe him a little bit more first before I put him fully in the town pile.
TheIrishPope: Fenix convinced me to put him more in the null section. Personally, I like him for town. I'm not sure I see the scum motivation in his posts. Regardless, he makes me laugh, so I'm not keen about lynching him anytime soon.
Null
Orcinus_theoriginal: Not sure how to take this one. On the one hand, I like him for town, due to him actively scumhunting. On the other hand, I'm not agreeing with a lot of his reads, and he's been too eager lately to jump on some really fishy wagons. I think I'll need more time to sort this one out.
Serene: Personally, I'd love to list this slot as town, not only because I liked the Newbie rage quit from their predecessor, but also because I like the idea of all the hydras being town together. However, I really do not like #646. Normally when I've seen town super secret hydras, they are not worried about being lynched should the heads become known, rather, they're worried about being NK'd. The fact that Serene said lynched suggests that they're not worried about the NK. I also do not like their push of Calcifer. The only reason they are null is because I see reasons why they could be town, and I originally wanted to put them as null/town. However, Fenix wanted to put them as scum. We compromised, hence the null.
The Goat: Nothing much has been posted from this slot. The closest we get to anything alignment indicative is #461, which feels slightly town to me. Interested in what we get from his replacement.
TSO: Honestly, I keep flip flopping on him. He'll post something I'll believe is scummy, such as some of his initial cases, or his attack of Metal Sonic, or his recent push for town cred. But then he'll post a bunch of things that are strongly town. I'll probably watch him and see what I think about him tomorrow.
Nero: Eddie likes him for town. I have a bit of a scum lean on him. However, I'm not sure if this is due to actual scumminess or a difference in playstyle. He posts similarly to TIP, but he's not doing so to be funny. He doesn't explain any of his reads, he attacks players without basis, and I'm sure I've seen him arbitrarily sheeping at points (I need to check this one out later.). At best his play is anti-town. I'm just not sure if it's actually scummy.
?Null/Scum?
Shadi1337: To be honest, I'm beginning to like him more, so he may move up before long. I just didn't like his flail earlier, as I didn't think that it felt like town flail. Fenix and I struggled real hard on his placement. Actually, screw it, he's plain null. Fenix, we can talk about it later.
Actual Null/Scum
StubbsKVM: Fenix and I went back and forth on this one. Admittedly, it's a gut read. I don't think that a lot of his posts feel genuine. Definitely going to watch this slot as the day progresses.
Brian Hollywood: Fenix fought for his placement closer to the scum pile. Brian hasn't posted anything game related. All of his posts have avoided what was actually happening at the time. I also don't buy his reaction to Zdenek's fake day kill, as that gambit is common enough that Brian's reaction could be faked (I've actually seen it at least twice before, and I'm relatively new to the site.).
Scum
TMTOLBTWNTOF: I actually agree with our predecessor on this slot, although I get the feeling that Fenix is not convinced. TMT is active lurking. What he posts appears to be content at first glance, but it is actually saying nothing of importance.
Doc Holliday: I don't like his blatant opportunism. I also feel that he and TIP are not on the same team, due to his #75 and TIP's response. If Doc is actually town, I'm actually going to take a second look at TIP.
StevieT92: His reasons for voting and suspecting slots near the beginning of the day were bad, and I also didn't like how he said that no one should be townreading anybody so early in the game. It felt like he was trying to keep town from finding each other for as long as possible, and instead wanted them to focus on who he deigned as scum. His posts since then have not improved.
Dramonic: His posts have contained absolutely no content. #734 feels more like knowledge than actual setup spec. He feels sure in his answer, where anybody speculating would use language that indicated that they were unsure or guessing.
ProHawk: Post #10 was really bad, as has been repeatedly explained. However, I can understand why people are hesitant to use that as their only reasoning. His later posts, though, do not feel like town. They have a slimy quality to them, and it feels as if he's trying to manipulate people when he addresses them so that they say something that he can attack as scummy. He's scum and needs to be lynched as soon as possible. I'll be addressing some of his posts soon.
Going to address a few more recent posts before I go. Any questions?
-Bulba
BOKO WO MITE
BOKO WO MITE
I LISTED READ ON EEEREYBODY IN DA CLUB.
PICK THESE APART AND YOU SEE THESE READS FOR THE SHALLOW SACKS OF CONTENT THEY REALLY ARE.
"dramonic has posted almost no content" = "THE GRASS IS FUCKING GREEN AND GUESS WHAT THE SKY IS BLUE"
and theres so much dissonance and excuses to be on the fence on about a 100 people its not even funny
this shit
needs
to BURN
VOTE: BULBAFENIX
Absolutely nothing, which is why I personally have varying degrees of scumreads on them.In post 1219, Serene wrote:
What has Nero or TOTPBWhatever contributed?In post 1212, BulbaFenix wrote:It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at dramonic's posts to see that, before the claim of the mason pairing, there is NOTHING that he is contributing as far as the hunt for scum goes.
I didn't set out to attack any one head on purpose. He was simply the one that responded. My questions were to your hydra in general, as I actually could care less who's in it.In post 1222, Serene wrote:
Your opportunism in attacking what you viewed as a vulnerable head (an accusation you later went on to attack someone else with after doing this yourself)In post 1220, BulbaFenix wrote:Tell me, what makes us so scummy to you??
Once again, that's a complete misrepresentation of my posts. All I've asked for you to do is ISO the players that have made up my slot and to give analysis, which you have refused to do. I dislike how you continue to dodge this issue and misrep me in an attempt to show them as scummy.In post 1222, Serene wrote: Your constant "POST READS NOW READS NOW READS NOW THOSE AREN'T READS READS NOW"
Who have I ignored?In post 1222, Serene wrote: while ignoring other players who have done jack and or shit
Hydra dissonence is not scummy. As far as that issue is concerned, we have discussed it at length, and it has been taken care of.In post 1222, Serene wrote: Your endless "ohhh you just wait till bulba sees this" fuck you and your bulba
Who have I ignored?In post 1222, Serene wrote: Accusing people of posting fluff while again ignoring people who do the same
Rift said, "Hey, it's Kuribo!", and given the posting style, I believed it. If I was wrong, then it was an honest mistake and all points dependent on that should be disregarded. However, that mistake would still not be alignment indicative.In post 1222, Serene wrote: Your attempt to use the meta of a player who ISN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING GAME to justify your anything ("I've seen kuribo as town and" no fuck you)
Now does anybody else have any other questions, or am I going to be forced to read peoples' minds?
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I've played with Metal Sonic before. This is his town game, although I did say in my catchup post that I wanted to see him post more. He's a decent scumhunter when he puts his mind to it.In post 1255, Serene wrote:
metal sonic--- by his own admission--- has posted absolutely shitIn post 1251, BulbaFenix wrote:Who have I ignored?
and you call him town while directly addressing him like, what? twice?
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The only game I've played with BS is currently ongoing. Therefore, I have no idea what BS-town looks like.In post 1260, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote: Have you played with Baby Spice and found that that's town game?
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In post 1266, StubbsKVM wrote:
Why isn't anyone answering?In post 1176, StubbsKVM wrote:Okay, because I didn't really get why there's so many players voting or suspecting Stevie, I ISOed him to see if I missed anything.
In post 84, StevieT92 wrote:
Because in the beginning of the game a good town is supposed to be suspicious of everyone. It should take more than 2 pages of fluff/RVS for you to determine that someone is a townie.In post 47, Mac wrote:
can you tell me how this is scummy and how this doesn't work in reverse?In post 44, StevieT92 wrote: Scum suspect #2 is BROseidan for making a town read on page 2.
Scumhunting, on the other hand, is always encouraged.In post 203, StevieT92 wrote:skimmed stuff because im lazy and talking to a friend in the library
i never said don't townread, i said you shouldn't have a townread by page two. do you get the difference and why i think that might be.
unvote, vote:nerofor the 2 back to back votes with no analysis or reason for the switch.
I think I get what he's trying to say, he just put it out there in a bad way. I suppose he means it's impossible to be certain about someone being town on page 2?
I've seen one post where he said he still had to ISO BRO, but he never actually did it. I'm not sure I get that last line. "I will definitely hammer him." How can you hammer someone if you're already voting for him? Don't get it.In post 355, StevieT92 wrote:In post 198, Nero wrote:good work comrades, pile the votes on stevie. if required, i will hardclaim my role to get him lynched.
Just re-posting this quote to remind you all of what a scum Nero is. I think BROseidon is probably the best, most agreed-upon lynch target today. Will ISO him for my next post. I'm not going to move my vote off of him, but I will definitely hammer him.
This is his last post. Still nothing on BRO.In post 1104, StevieT92 wrote:So my expected internet problems have finally manifested themselves. I am too busy to read 17 pages right now but I will try to get to Starbucks later tonight. Expect a post tomorrow at the latest.
Regards,
Stevie
So my question. Are you all still voting on that townread on page 2 comment? Or is there something else I'm not seeing?
-FenixBulbaFenix wrote:
That's part of what made me initially suspect him as scum, as well as his 3 scum reads in #44, which read as fake and sloppily thrown together. However, it was his lack of scumhunting and his posts only designed to stir the pot that cemented my scumread.In post 1176, StubbsKVM wrote: So my question. Are you all still voting on that townread on page 2 comment? Or is there something else I'm not seeing?
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We never said that Stevie was our biggest scumread. ProHawk is. However, we realize that it will be impossible to get a ProHawk lynch today. Therefore, we are voting for Stevie, the scumread with the biggest wagon, while we engage with everyone else, especially ProHawk.In post 1268, StubbsKVM wrote: Bulbafenix, why does that make him your biggest scumread?
I have strong townreads on you and Rift. DOMO is major scumhunting, which makes him a townread. We're town. If Serene is town, that would make every hydra in this game town, and that possibility intrigues and excites me, if only for the reason that it would allow for the possibility of a hydra town bloc. And I find that idea to be awesome.In post 1273, Calcifer wrote:
This is weird and I have no idea why you said this.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:but also because I like the idea of all the hydras being town together.
It takes 13 to lynch, and we have 6 scum at most, and there are no plurality lynches. With that in mind, why would they be afraid of being lynched by scum, since scum do not have the power to enforce it? Unless they thought that maybe town would want to policy lynch them if we found out who made up the hydra?In post 1273, Calcifer wrote:
But they're worried about scum lynching them, meaning do you think they are worried about being bussed?In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Normally when I've seen town super secret hydras, they are not worried about being lynched should the heads become known, rather, they're worried about being NK'd. The fact that Serene said lynched suggests that they're not worried about the NK.
I'll do some in-depth analysis tomorrow. I had a busy day today and simply don't feel like doing it right now. I would like to point out, though, that the whole point of the catchup post was to give my general thoughts on the game and its players, and as such, is not as in depth.In post 1273, Calcifer wrote:
Better yet, you can show us the scummy things and show us the townie things. Maybe it will help you decide for yourselves, but at the least it'll show us where you're coming from.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:Honestly, I keep flip flopping on him. He'll post something I'll believe is scummy, such as some of his initial cases, or his attack of Metal Sonic, or his recent push for town cred. But then he'll post a bunch of things that are strongly town. I'll probably watch him and see what I think about him tomorrow.
To be honest, I didn't pay that much attention to him in Voided, as I had an incredibly strong townread on his slot due to BT. The highlights of his play in my mind are: "I haven't read your stuff. You post walls. You are scum." I do remember that he did do some genuine scumhunting in that game, which he is doing here as well. The differences that I saw were what kept me from putting him fully in the town pile, but I'm thinking that they're more due to the different circumstances between the games, rather than based on alignment.In post 1273, Calcifer wrote:
His play here looks nothing like it did in Voided. Why are you reading him as town?In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:I almost want to call him town. However, he's done a few things that I've never seen from him before when he was town in Voided's game. I want to observe him a little bit more first before I put him fully in the town pile.
Doc made a post that was blatantly opportunistic, given the attention on TIP at the time, that tried to paint TIP as scum due to his play in another game. That by itself is scummy. Then TIP makes a post that says, "Don't listen to Doc." Which I also found scummy. I really don't see them as partners. Therefore, that leaves 2 possibilities: 1.) Doc is scum and was being opportunistic and trying to incriminate TIP via a previous game. TIP is town that thinks that the rest of the town might fall for it and is trying to prevent it. 2.) Doc is town who is trying to use TIP's meta to show TIP as scummy. TIP, as scum, panics and says, "Don't listen to Doc."In post 1273, Calcifer wrote:
I don't like this at all. Why does #75 & response make one of them scum?In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:I don't like his blatant opportunism. I also feel that he and TIP are not on the same team, due to his #75 and TIP's response. If Doc is actually town, I'm actually going to take a second look at TIP.
Are you planning on posting original content anytime soon?
What about it do you find scummy?In post 1291, StevieT92 wrote:
on page 40 and this reads as scum to me.In post 979, BulbaFenix wrote:The whole case on Dramonic is that he's active lurking and not saying anything of substance. As far as ProHawk goes, I don't think we'll be able to get him lynched today, therefore we're focusing on our other scumspects. I think we'll be able to make a better push on ProHawk's slot on d2.
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You haven't actually addressed my actual points. Also, how can you have a different idea about scumhunting theory if you're not actually scumhunting?In post 1294, StevieT92 wrote:
lol @ backpedaling.In post 1149, BulbaFenix wrote:In post 1136, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote: Bulba, please explain Stevie
I'd also like to add his backpedaling when confronted on his townreading comment, as well as him taking potshots at players without taking stances or providing analysis.In post 832, BulbaFenix wrote:StevieT92: His reasons for voting and suspecting slots near the beginning of the day were bad, and I also didn't like how he said that no one should be townreading anybody so early in the game. It felt like he was trying to keep town from finding each other for as long as possible, and instead wanted them to focus on who he deigned as scum. His posts since then have not improved.
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lol @ how having a different idea about scumhunting theory makes you scum somehow
lol @ my wagon
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why is bulba town and why does his shitcase matter when he's not really pushing it anymore?[/quote]In post 1409, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:and because "i'm not kuribo" is a part of his shitcase on bulba
and because bulba is town
I know he's got a lot to catch up on and will do so in time. I do expect a phone call and a catch up post from him today at SOME point.
Nor am I. He/She is active hunting and asking questions (if everyone checks out the hydra's ISO). So, I want to know why the people that are voting him are voting him...Shadi1337 wrote:I'm not sure I like the Calc wagon, not really receiving those overly scum vibes from him/her.
Exactly what, might I ask, within Mac's post changed your mind?Rift Adrift wrote:
In brief, I initially read Mac as town and wound up changing my mind in part due to Mac and in part due to Syr's thoughts. Bulba's early posts pinged hard. Their push on serene looked even worse than yours did.In post 1428, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i know our reads clash a lot in hydra
but this is getting ridiculous
talk to me about why you think bulba is scum
and nacho isn't
Much like my read on you, my read on Calcifer (which is mostly based on Nacho) is a shaky slight town.
P-Edit: What had you scumreading mac, Orc?
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Because asking questions is the only way to get answers about things. Also, Nacho meta? I'm not as well versed as my partner is where Nacho is concerned. Mind tl;dring me on that?In post 1455, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
i'll do it after we lynch calciferIn post 1451, Serene wrote:Nero can you please fake claim a guilty on TMTURIYTURIOF? We all know he's the Godfather. No one in this rat-infested temple can find their ballwzzz to take the most simple and obvious decision.
bulb: calcifer is scum because nacho meta. mac is scum because he seemed very disinterested and quiet and useless which i typically associate with his scumplay. why do you even care why i was scumreading mac
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Does no one use the telephone anymoreorcinus_theoriginal wrote:
jesus christIn post 1450, BulbaFenix wrote:I know he's got a lot to catch up on and will do so in time. I do expect a phone call and a catch up post from him today at SOME point.
fery we gotta learn from these people
theycalleach other????? Besides, that's about the ONLY way we can talk to one another on a consistent basis about everything and we have known each other irl for a few years now.
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