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Hi everyone!!
VOTE: Skybird
It's been so long since we've played together. Good to see you again.
Cheet: I'm kind of worried about Aero. He hasn't been around in a few days and hasn't started his game yet that I'm in despite saying he would a couple days ago. Hope everything is o.k. with him. I always worry about people when they just disappear like that.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 26, Cheetory6 wrote:Well he joined this game on the 11th in the queue.
Two days isn't that long of a time to be a little AWOL. I'm sure he's fine.
I know. I tend to be a mother hen when it comes to my friends sometimes. I should just drunk post more and get over that.
In post 27, Cheetory6 wrote:Now, do you wanna help me kill him before he gets back?
Wouldn't that be fun?
Well, let him check in first and show himself as scum with his opening post and then I'm all over that.
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Just make sure you cook it first.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Well geez Boo, I only eat eggs that are unfertilized like normal people.
But now I don't want to, thanks for ruining that for me.
Actually, I have no idea what you are talking about.
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In post 54, Skybird wrote:I'm doing good SW. Getting ready to move. Yea!
So do you think House is scum this game?
Here's something everyone should be aware of. He was town in a game we played (we both were) and used that exact same meta in the next game we played together where he was scum and I was town Mason. He instigated shit with me most of the game and I kept townreading him for it.
So yeah................don't use meta to read him and don't trust him for like a really long time no matter what he says. He's pretty good as scum.
Congrats on the move.
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In post 73, Bookitty wrote:In post 69, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Can someone please explain all this SilverWolf love, please? Thanks.
The awesomeness of SilverWolf must be experienced firsthand.
Fortunately, you have this opportunity. Make the most of it.
OMG <3
I really hope yours and Ozgin's love is real and not some scum buddying tactics that you are both are well aware I'm super susceptible too or I'm going to be sooooo disappointed.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 85, Ozgin wrote:In post 83, Taly wrote:Sky's question in 54 was quite frivolous. We haven't even seen House post yet, so making reads like yours in 61 and Varsoons follow-up of that in 62 strikes me a bit weird.
Speaking of your post 61 Cheetory
Why are you saying House is most likely scum, but you immediately place your vote on Skybird?
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Ozgin, I'm a male. ._.
My bad history with women is unrelated to your gender, Taly. It's just a contributing factor to my inability to build and trust meaningful relationships with other human.
*Laughs*
*Cries*
Come lay down on the couch and tell me all about it. Then you can explain your objection to the skybird wagon your friend that you want to play with so badly started.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 117, Kitz wrote:I wanna see House post some. He's kinda supposed to be around methinks.
He'll probably make a post that make half the players gain a whiplash.
VOTE: House
OK so House hasn't even signed on yet since his first confirm post and these are the three votes I like the least on that wagon. I think Skybird did it to take pressure off of her wagon and that can come from either alignment.
Kitz expecting House to be here and saying he should be here is strange but she can be kind of strange. Kind of null on this.
lala-Yeah, jumping on the wagon here seems opportunistic and using and RVS reason to do so is meh, not a big fan.
I like Taly and Ozgin's unvotes here.
VOTE: la la duckieDarkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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I was in this game. It just finished. Yes, he was scum. He lurked through some of it, did some good old AtE, and totally obvtowned at the end of it. Although I might be biased since I was scum in that game as well but he was good. So be wary. He's looking different here than there somewhat though and I'm not overly worried yet.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 119, Titus wrote:
Yes. It's overly friendly and explanatory for this point in the game. *shrug* Nothing too strong but it doesn't make me feel good.
You've tried this on me before. Going after me for being friendly. I think you are going for the 71 let's push Wolf and see what happens. So I think we might as well get going here before House starts up with me for the same reasons.
Besides your vote for me and the above reasons, you don't seem to have much to say. What do you think about both the Skybird wagon and the House wagon and how they happened. Any of those votes bother you at all yet?
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Yes, that was the game I was talking about where I townread House for instigating shit with me all game. He, Bookitty, and T S O were scum and kicked ass. Town was dysfunctional as hell though. Still, they are all good as scum.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 179, dragonspawn wrote:How do you know when someone posts in another game (I mean barring the obvious that you are in that game)?
And isn't it against the rules to discuss other ongoing games?
You can go to a person's profile. Go to topics and see where they've posted and when. There is a rule about it. You can say that someone is posting elsewhere but you can't say for example, they are posting long analytical posts elsewhere or anything talking about the game itself. I have it in my IC notes and can go find it if need be.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 172, Ozgin wrote:
Imagine you have a baby. That babycouldgrow up to be a terrorist. Andterrorists are dangerous. By your logic, you'd be inclined to murder your baby because he could become dangerous.
Please stop this Ozgin. I am a mother. Please.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 181, Ozgin wrote:
I don't think that, in a game based on language and logic, tearing apart someone's shitty logic is useless, nor is it inflammatory. And frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn less if you don't want to play.
This is unusually aggressive for you Ozgin.
In post 185, Ozgin wrote:I'm going to bed, I'll be back tomorrow.
This game is heating up, and I kinda like it. This is the most excited I've been ever to play a normal game as a citizen.
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Good lord Ozgin, slow down. You are throwing me for a loop. I need to process. I'm not sure if you are over aggressive town or try hard scum but I haven't seen you like this before.
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I agree with you Ozgin about the House wagon. I didn't like it. It seemed too easy. How can you pressure someone who isn't even here playing? The he's posting elsewhere is crap if he only posted one post. I also kind of agree with you that Titus seems off. I'm going to have to investigate there some. It's just gut for now but she doesn't usually pull the I don't want to play stuff. I agree with her about your Citizen talk. That should really stop.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 217, Titus wrote:Dollars to Donuts the way people are not really engaging Ozgin means he's scum.
Huh? Yes we are. Wat? I seriously feel like he's either town hopped up and excited to play or super try hard scum but as scum in the last game he was pretty mellow. I had a neighborhood with him and he wasn't this hyper. I really don't know what to make of him quite yet.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 220, Titus wrote:In post 218, SilverWolf wrote:I agree with you Ozgin about the House wagon. I didn't like it. It seemed too easy. How can you pressure someone who isn't even here playing? The he's posting elsewhere is crap if he only posted one post. I also kind of agree with you that Titus seems off. I'm going to have to investigate there some. It's just gut for now but she doesn't usually pull the I don't want to play stuff. I agree with her about your Citizen talk. That should really stop.
You haven't seen some of the things I have seen. Sometimes they do get under my skin. My husband and I are talking about having kids. Hearing that stuff about killing your kids just absolutely riled me and yes, those types of things make mafia unenjoyable generally. There is a line. I call people out when they cross it. I'm shocked that you think you're the only one who can be bothered by things. Normally, I would take that as a scum indicator but knowing you well enough your game seems to be very Wolf focused as either alignment. (Mine tends to be that way too.)
[non-aligment personal, uncomfortable stuff start] I'm sorry Titus. I have a child and have lost several. It was offensive to me but I should of thought of what you and others might be going through as well. I do tend to be self-centered when I play. I'm also having trouble focusing and keeping up with the pace of this game. I wish you luck in your journey to motherhood. [non-alignment personal, uncomfortable stuff end]
Having said the above, I don't think Oz was trying to upset us mothers or potential mothers.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 221, Titus wrote:In post 219, SilverWolf wrote:In post 217, Titus wrote:Dollars to Donuts the way people are not really engaging Ozgin means he's scum.
Huh? Yes we are. Wat? I seriously feel like he's either town hopped up and excited to play or super try hard scum but as scum in the last game he was pretty mellow. I had a neighborhood with him and he wasn't this hyper. I really don't know what to make of him quite yet.
No. You're not engaging him. You're engaging me and talking about Ozgin.
What about 202 or 211? Like I said, I'm having trouble keeping up with him and the game to be quite honest. I'm working on it.
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In post 226, Titus wrote:In post 223, SilverWolf wrote:In post 221, Titus wrote:In post 219, SilverWolf wrote:In post 217, Titus wrote:Dollars to Donuts the way people are not really engaging Ozgin means he's scum.
Huh? Yes we are. Wat? I seriously feel like he's either town hopped up and excited to play or super try hard scum but as scum in the last game he was pretty mellow. I had a neighborhood with him and he wasn't this hyper. I really don't know what to make of him quite yet.
No. You're not engaging him. You're engaging me and talking about Ozgin.
What about 202 or 211? Like I said, I'm having trouble keeping up with him and the game to be quite honest. I'm working on it.
Re-reading, etc.
Those aren't engagement either. Notice how you are just making observations with Ozgin. You're shocked at his claim and stating how you feel. In a vacuum, those are not engagement. Asking questions and giving responses is engagement.
I've engaged Ozgin and will do more. The game is 10 pages in less than 24 hours, I am trying to figure out how to keep up at the same time as get good reads and analysis of the game. Several haven't posted much at all. And yes, I'm engaging you because you said you wanted to. But FFS, give me a minute to catch my breath here.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 233, dragonspawn wrote:This whole ozgin push feels completely wrong. Haven't figured out why exactly. But I will.
Do you think he's town here? Who, among the Ozgin pushers don't you like?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 248, Titus wrote:In post 245, dragonspawn wrote:Not so sure of that Titus. Wolf has gotten better a hiding her tells
Well, we'll see. I usually get in relatively soon. My way of reading people is usually considered "odd" anyway so, we'll see. Right now, I'm leaning scum due to her hedges and overdefensiveness. Mostly the hedges though.
What hedges are those? I think lala ducks is scummy for fluff posting and "fake" looking bravado about the votes on her. I think you are scummy. I don't get your Ozgin push. I think you are misrepping him and me quite a bit, are over defensive and apologetic yourself, and are using AtE especially on me which is scummy. I'm not a big fan of dragon right now either. I think Ozgin might actually be town here. So about those hedges?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 253, Titus wrote:In post 251, SilverWolf wrote:In post 248, Titus wrote:In post 245, dragonspawn wrote:Not so sure of that Titus. Wolf has gotten better a hiding her tells
Well, we'll see. I usually get in relatively soon. My way of reading people is usually considered "odd" anyway so, we'll see. Right now, I'm leaning scum due to her hedges and overdefensiveness. Mostly the hedges though.
What hedges are those? I think lala ducks is scummy for fluff posting and "fake" looking bravado about the votes on her. I think you are scummy. I don't get your Ozgin push. I think you are misrepping him and me quite a bit, are over defensive and apologetic yourself, and are using AtE especially on me which is scummy. I'm not a big fan of dragon right now either. I think Ozgin might actually be town here. So about those hedges?
The very "engaging" posts you quoted. You're leaving yourself open to vote Ozgin or not based on how the wind blew. You liked some things, but disapproved of others and came to no real conclusion.
I was still reading him and trying to figure him out. I think he's town. He's invested in the game and comes off as sincere in his enthusiasm. I don't get your Citizen point despite how many times you explain it. I think that was bad play on his part but why is it scummy?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 259, Titus wrote:What town says, oh by the way, I'm not a PR in casual unprovoked conversation if they have experience? Remember the game where I was iceproof townie. I claimed with a reason. The cop just willy nilly claimed to her hood. We all agreed that was bad play and not to be repeated. Any decent IC would have crushed that behavior saying do not claim your role unless necessary. Claiming Citizen here does nothing protown.
OK, he's anti-town I agree. But why would scum do this?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 260, lalaladucks wrote:Oh, Wolfie, you find me scummy because of fluff? I'm always ~fluffy~fluffy~ in the beginning
Well, and I don't mind fluff posting in the beginning, I do the same thing. Do you have better reasons for voting for House and Ozgin than you've given so far?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Do not do this Ozgin.
@mod-prod FA please, he hasn't even confirmed, maybe forgot the game or something
Expect a longer, substantive post from me later today. I'm going to be busy for awhile and not feeling great today but should be able to post something later. Also @me if you have any questions for me so I can see it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Why in the hell would anyone be afraid of House? Picking on someone not here playing and actively participating is a very easy thing for scum to do to appear busy. It's much harder for them to go after the power players who are posting and playing. Scum should be a lot more afraid of someone like Titus or Cheetory than House right now.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 350, Skybird wrote:Talk to me about Cheetory please Dragon. Have you played with him before?
If you want good meta on how scum!Cheetory behaves in multiball, Egg too for that matter, this might help. They were the ice team. Cheetory was TAF. I wasn't in this one but observed some due to people I know in it and doing a similar set-up at USMB.
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In post 358, House wrote:In post 286, Ozgin wrote:
House.
If there is anyone.Who should read these 11 pages.Anyone.
It's you.
If that's the case, then nobody should read those 11 pages.
I love how people always think they made some grand discover at the very beginning of a game (ESPECIALLY LARGES) and rush forward with a mislynch, then completely forget the rampant stupidity of it all D2.
Large early games are complete trash and not worth poring over. There will be sacrificial lambs thrown out with shit rationale and people will follow merrily along because it's the in thing to do.
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You don't intimidate me in the least. Where on Earth did you get that idea? I think your attitude sucks ass because there's a lot of info. in those pages and just because you weren't participating does not mean you should ignore it or tell others it's worthless. That is indeed promoting apathy and a negative atmosphere of "who gives a fuck"Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 375, House wrote:In post 373, SilverWolf wrote:
You don't intimidate me in the least. Where on Earth did you get that idea? I think your attitude sucks ass because there's a lot of info. in those pages and just because you weren't participating does not mean you should ignore it or tell others it's worthless. That is indeed promoting apathy and a negative atmosphere of "who gives a fuck"
Look at those 11 pages. A wagon on me when I wasn't even participating.
That's not info. It's shit. Period.
Stop being an idiot.
Yeah, and did you look at the votes on your wagon and why or what else happened besides the wagon on you so you can get reads?
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In post 377, House wrote:There's nothing worth reading. Town is stupid because there's nothing to go on. Scum can hide on it because, HELLO, there's nothing to go on.
Stop acting like one.
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In post 379, Skybird wrote:So far House gives me town vibes. Comes in the game all abrasive and not giving a crap.
Don't fall for that. He pulled that same shit on me as scum and I townread him for it in the last game we played. He can emulate his abrasive town meta as scum. Be very careful here.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 382, House wrote:In post 381, SilverWolf wrote:In post 379, Skybird wrote:So far House gives me town vibes. Comes in the game all abrasive and not giving a crap.
Don't fall for that. He pulled that same shit on me as scum and I townread him for it in the last game we played. He can emulate his abrasive town meta as scum. Be very careful here.
And you say I don't intimidate you.
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In post 415, Titus wrote:Ozgin diverted attention from himself by voting himself and then tried to offer lala for shit reasons.
I wasn't really following NY 180 that closely, but I bet that Ozgin followed the same pattern.
When did Ozgin vote for himself? Ozgin was pretty cautious in NY180. He asked me for a lot of advice in the hood and seemed to feel out the waters quite a bit before voting someone. He sheeped me too some. Here is is very brash and seemingly not afraid of how he looks at all with his play. I also believe he said he would of said the Citizen thing as PR or VT so why do you keep saying it was a VT claim? I do agree it is very odd to call himself a Citizen instead of town if he was town though.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 424, Titus wrote:In post 420, SilverWolf wrote:In post 415, Titus wrote:Ozgin diverted attention from himself by voting himself and then tried to offer lala for shit reasons.
I wasn't really following NY 180 that closely, but I bet that Ozgin followed the same pattern.
When did Ozgin vote for himself? Ozgin was pretty cautious in NY180. He asked me for a lot of advice in the hood and seemed to feel out the waters quite a bit before voting someone. He sheeped me too some. Here is is very brash and seemingly not afraid of how he looks at all with his play. I also believe he said he would of said the Citizen thing as PR or VT so why do you keep saying it was a VT claim? I do agree it is very odd to call himself a Citizen instead of town if he was town though.
You're comparing apples to oranges with the hood. He had someone hethoughtwas town to bounce ideas and see if it was going to be scummy before acting. He doesn't likely have that here most likely. Also, being impulsive and reacting to things is just something that's more personality indicative.
Right but what I'm saying is he doesn't seem to give a shit how he looks here at all. He's also posting in a more stream of conscious style posting which is more likely to come from town IMO. I do agree that Citizen claim is fishy and I don't like some of his aggression but town can be aggressive as well. Your best point on him is the Citizen claim plus this 244.
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In post 411, Taly wrote:Hey Silver, I looked at some of your posts and your vote is still placed on Lala, what do you think about her recent posts? Her recent posts seem to be better in quality.
Also, are you still thinking Titus is scummy? 401 Feels a little odd with me.
I think she's a little scummy due to the peacemaker stuff she's posting like this 388 but OTOH, her immediate push on me before she went for Ozgin kind of felt town because she knows me and it makes sense she would look at me first. Her Ozgin push is townish. BUT, it could be she thinks he's scum on the other team than she's on or she could be town pushing a scumspect.
I am going to re-read Titus, Ozgin, and La La. Something there needs to be figured out I think.
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In post 427, Titus wrote:Stream of consciousness is a personality tell. Hands fucking down. Remember that game where I drew neutral. You didn't find me out because I was posting any less than normal or different. You found me out much because I was overexplaining a neutral as an IC. Stream of consciousness is NOT an alignment tell ever.
He does give a crap how he looks. His actions tell that tale. Voting one player (Varsoon) while devoting wordspace to attacking the other (me) suggests his motivation is to dismantle his wagon NOT actually scumhunt either of us.
Stream of consciousness is much harder to fake as scum over the long haul, IMO. Just reacting to things and blurting out what you are thinking is more town like. Cautious/careful/controlled posting is way scummier because there are less ways for people to read scummy motivation into it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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OK, Starting to do some ISO's here and I don't like dragon's at all. His vote for T S O 59 was bad. I've seen tons of people say that as town. The last game we played, Grib did the same thing and he was town. dragon was in that game too His 131 vote for la la wasn't good either or the reasoning behind it.
233 dragon have you figured this out yet? What do you think of the Ozgin push now?
Even though RC has barely posted, I do like his entrance into the game, it seems townish although that is just a gut read here. I don't like dragon's response here 455 seem pretty hostile for no reason. Don't like this either 466.
I don't like my vote on la la anymore because her response to her wagon was to go and look at all the votes on it and analyze them which is a farily townish response. I'd like to see more from her though.
I like the Kitz push but I think people need to follow it up with some votes there. dragon is worse than kitz for me right now however.
I re-read Titus and she seems town. Her Ozgin push feels genuine and I completely understand the Citizen argument and think it's valid. However, it's early in the game and we need to look at other people as well and develop some other reads, get other wagons going, etc.
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In post 492, Titus wrote:@Wolf, Why are you avoiding the Ozgin wagon? You have acknowledged that the citizen case is good, but you pile on the la la wagon. Then, as la la dies down, you move to another wagon increasing, while stating the reason I am pushing is good.
You state you are voting for Ozgin because he is unnecessarily hostile. Yet what do you call the your child could be evil thing but unnecessarily hostile?
You keep doing this thing where you endorse the Ozgin push but never get on.
Titus-I realize you are in a tunnel and all that but don't misrep me. I voted la la for her bad jump onto the House wagon and I don't even think the Oz wagon was a thing at that time. dragon's ISO looks like scum to me and that's why I'm on dragon. I am townreading you right now almost exlusively due to your Ozgin push because it looks town and your reasons look genunine and make sense. I also like the Kitz push like I said. In a game where 1/3 of the players are scum, I'm going to be looking at several different options for scum. It would be very anti-town to quick lynch Ozgin and not try to get reads on everyone else or get some good wagon info. out there for future VCA. I also gave you several reasons last night where I think Oz could be town and I'd like him to respond to his current wagon so I can see how that goes. Give it time Titus. The day is early.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Hey, Still sick. I'm re-reading what I missed. Initial thoughts are Oz and dragon are both scummy and I even have a strong feeling they could be on the same scumteam. The signs are there. I will read and elaborate on everything and explain but I STILL have a mild fever and trying to be coherent in a fast moving, complex game in a feverish state is probably not going to be helpful to the game or my health. I'll put a couple points on what I've observed so far because I'm insane and like to post in mafia games when ill I guess. Can anyone direct me to a support group for this?
dragon-I think your T S O vote is garbage. He's barely posted and if you want to know why he voted for Ozgin, your first thing to do should of been to go @T S O-Hey, Why did you vote for Ozgin?" Instead you immediately throw down a vote on him the minute you start getting pressure. T S O is a very safe vote because he's unlikely to fight back much since he hasn't posted much. I'm completely null on T S O. How you can have him pegged as scum is beyond me but it's a safe vote that won't hurt you much.
Here's my issue with dragon: He's very superficial and shallow in his approach to the game. He asks a few questions here and there and makes a few comments but none of what he does really digs into the meat and potatoes of figuring out the game or who scum is. In other words he appears busy but also safe and that kind of play is scummy to me. Plus, his defense of Ozgin is kind of calculated that reminds me of a how a scummate would do it. And yes, I can elaborate on this when I feel better and point out specific things. Also, the "I always look like scum D1 self meta is like meh"
Ozgin's reaction to his wagon was super, hyper aggressive and defensive. Now, there's town flail and there's scum flail. As town, I get quite upset when I get wagoned for crappy reasons. I also have gotten really fucking frustrated as scum caught out on D1. What I don't like about Ozgin's response is he's not using it to go, "shit, I should give some reads, look at my wagon and convince these guys I'm town" Instead he's yelling at everyone and insulting people. He also pointed out he's frustrated non-scum faction IIRC and that's like "Hey, look at how frustrated town I am folks"
His case on Varsoon was like going through his ISO and painting every fucking thing in it as scum. Well shit, if I wanted to find scum in someone, I could do the same thing because damn if I am looking for it that hard with the mindset of "let's see how I can paint this person as scum" I'm going to find it no matter what the alignment of the person is. That's not the best way to scumhunt IMO. I do need to re-read when feeling better his 1v1 with Varsoon and see if I can make anything of that but later.
I actually feel like RC is town. Sometimes a person doesn't have to post a lot for me to get that feel. It's what they post and how that tells me things. Varsoon comes off as town because his posts look genuine and the least calculated of anyone in the game. He's very invested in the game as well. His switch off Ozgin scum to Ozgin town is not something I'm liking but I need to re-read that 1v1 and not even sure what his latest dragon points about being 95% sure he's scum even mean or if I even want to know tbh. He also strikes me as one of those "never a dull moment if you play with him in a game" types of players. I find his looking for friends to be a null tell. I mean, if he was going to buddy people he can buddy them and be done with it. Blatantly looking for friends sounds like a personality tell more than an alignment tell, IMO.
Other reads: Bookitty seems different from her last scum game to me in a way that looks town, like Egg's posts so far for town, House is weird but I've seen his scum game and he's not really doing that but way too early to say here (he's null), Titus's Ozgin tunnel and moonlogicy logic looks town to me or at least Titus town. I have a scary townread on Cheetory because it came rather quickly and he makes me totally paranoid. I like anen's posts because the points he is making are generally along the lines of what I am thinking as well (nulltown at best because I need to see a lot more). Taly's analysis looks townish to me as well. Kitz is kind of withdrawn and her set up spec is kind of meh and she's not adding much to the game (leaning scum), la la switched up her play and looks better but I need to see more here-scumread not gone but diminished, Skybird makes me wonder as well. She's a pretty passive and very hard to read player from what I remember so not sure but she's not ringing any townbells either. I guess she's posted enough I should have some "feels" by now and don't. boon is typical boon and I misread him routinely so null. No one else has posted nearly enough for me to try to read yet but I'll bet there's scum in the non-participants right now. I think figuring out a couple scumreads and trying to townhunt might be a better approach then trying to read every single player in the game right now the way it's currently going.
OK, question time:
Egg-You pointed out you didn't like how you think I'm avoiding the Oz wagon. Why is that a problem on me specifically but not on Bookitty or Taly or anyone else who is not voting Oz but has expressed suspicion of him?
Ozgin-Hi, Do you have any reads on anyone else besides Varsoon? What do you think of the people on your wagon?
boon-What specifically do you dislike about dragon's wagon and how do you come to this conclusion so quickly when as you say, you've barely had time to post? Who's the scum on his wagon?
Cheet-Oz was different in the hood in 180, more mellow and relaxed, I don't think I can use this to read him here because I was a scumbucket in that game who thought Oz might be a fellow scumbucket so that colored my view of him there. What is your current read on Ozgin?
Hell, I'm sure I have more questions and observations but this much took a lot out of me so I'll be back later.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 632, dragonspawn wrote:Yes I'm going to figure out the game in 26 pages.
I appreciate the vote of confidence. But no one is that good.
dragon-no one is asking you to solve the game in 26 pages but you should have some concrete thoughts you can share by now, there's been a ton of content, your reads don't have to be set in stone this early but you should have some idea of what you think of a few of the more active players
What is your read on Titus right now or Cheetory for example?
Egg-I'll give you more detail on Bookitty later, don't let me forget. Yeah, I see your issues with Taly's off Ozgin wagon posts but you had pointed out mine a couple times as well and I was more curious what you are looking for specifically when someone is suspicious of a person and not on a wagon yet
I guess I feel I can't be on more than one wagon at a time but I should be able to express suspicion of more than one person at a time and dragon's such scum it hurts me right now, like for real. But it would not upset me much if Oz ended up being the lynch instead. Both flips are liable to be scum and both flips are going to be very informative.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 646, SilverWolf wrote:
dragon-no one is asking you to solve the game in 26 pages but you should have some concrete thoughts you can share by now, there's been a ton of content, your reads don't have to be set in stone this early but you should have some idea of what you think of a few of the more active players
What is your read on Titus right now or Cheetory for example?
K, after reading 634 these questions are no longer valid.
How about this? Elaborate please on what you think is going on between Cheetory and Varsoon.
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@boon-wagon analysis is not the same in a multiball set-up as it otherwise, there is likely to be scum on any large wagon that forms, the person could be either scum or town that is being wagoned, I doubt a lynch will happen early game without scum influence
@Egg-regarding your question on my bookitty read, there were a couple posts that kind of pinged town and seemed different enough from her scumgame but after re-reading there really isn't enough for that to be a strong townread, it's weak and kind of gut/meta at this point and I need to hear a lot more from her before I can solidify it
@Titus-why is boon added to the will lynch pile again?
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In post 714, Egg wrote:Silverwolf, weren't we talking about Bookitty's Ozgin stance?
Maybe? LOL
I checked the post again and thought you were responding to the first part but really it must be the second.
In post 643, SilverWolf wrote:
Other reads: Bookitty seems different from her last scum game to me in a way that looks town
Egg-You pointed out you didn't like how you think I'm avoiding the Oz wagon. Why is that a problem on me specifically but not on Bookitty or Taly or anyone else who is not voting Oz but has expressed suspicion of him?
You already addressed Taly but here's what I was talking about with Bookitty.
In post 308, Bookitty wrote:
With two scum teams in play and a suspected SK, I could easily see Ozgin as scum trying to ensure that everyone knows he's a CITIZEN and not a Scummity-Scum-SCUM. It's odd. I don't get it.
But she voted dragonspawn.
Anyway, Ozgin read this post for my read on you 643
Also people, if you re-read boon again, you will see that dragon is not a good vote. I'd recommend you do that.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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@House-If there was a JOAT here, they would not be stupid enough to cc you right now. Your claim makes no sense as either alignment.
@Taly-Your wishy-washiness and fencesitting on the wagons is starting to bug me. Please do something to rectify that. I want to know what YOU think. It's o.k. to ask others why they find someone scummy or townie but I want your opinions on dragon or Ozgin or anyone else you want to vote for. It would go a long way to helping me read you better.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 760, Cheetory6 wrote:
I could try and articulate it more clearly and go through individual posts that I feel best describe this feeling that I'm getting if you want to talk with me about it?
What do you think of my points against him in 643? I realize that post is super fucking long but my Oz points are in there.
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In post 762, Cheetory6 wrote:Someone talk at me about if Sky's tone is usually like this as either alignment.
Yes-I haven't played with her on this site yet but offsite, from what I remember, she's notoriously difficult to read.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.