New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[lalaladucks]

Just ignore Titus. She's playing really poorly this game; could be scum, but meh. Lala is a fantastic vote. I will join the wagon with you if need be. Taly/Lala for scum, may 2015.

No.

[SilverWolf]

Varsoon ISO:

Spoiler:

303, 327 hard buddying of bookitty suggests they could be together because Bookitty likes to work with her partners as I saw first hand in Delicious

333 soft question of lala means they could be on the same team but his constantly being on and off her wagon all day means I really don't think they are scum together because I don't see scum bussing/distancing D1 in a multiball situation

364 and several posts following plus numerous others suggest he's not scum with House, plus House claimed JOAT and would not do that with Varsoon as a partner

626 defends Taly-could do this on the same team, defending your scumbuddies is not unreasonable to expect in this set-up

637 makes me think he's not scum with T S O, la la, or Titus-there are numerous posts that make me think he's not scum with Titus

669 praises Cheetory, suggests Kitz might have townslipped with the 14:3:3:1 stuff, don't think he's scum with Prolapsed due to attack about twilight stuff and vote for him in 918

1095 makes me feel like he might be with Bookitty

1102 wants to pressure ProlapsedBrian, Laladucks, TSO, Drixx, Kitz but does he ever pressure TSO, drixx, or Kitz-nope

1232 in response to Egg's 1203 plus 1238 makes me think they are likely not together

Possible people with Varsoon and strongest associations per Varsoon ISO: Bookitty, Taly, Kitz-I am going to look at the votes on the wagon next from these 3 in particular but I think one of these 3 need to be looked at as possible scum

My next posts are going to look at their votes on the Ozgin wagon and individual ISO's of all 3 of them.

Then I'll vote for one of them based on that. This, IMO is the best way to catch scum right now with a scum flip to analyze.

Might not get to all that until tomorrow because I'm really fucking tired and am going to be with family a good part of the day tomorrow so we'll see.

[Boonskiies]

Just ignore Titus. She's playing really poorly this game; could be scum, but meh. Lala is a fantastic vote. I will join the wagon with you if need be. Taly/Lala for scum, may 2015.

No.

fantastic defense. You should get an award.

VOTE: Laladuck

[Boonskiies]

Lala, what happened to your Taly scum read you had? It just magically disappear now that you two are getting lumped together?

[Titus]

Boon, what is your take on Varsoon wanting me dead?

[lalaladucks]

Why thank you good sir, I did put much effort into that defense.

What makes you think my scumread on Taly disappeared? It hasn't, but I'm mulling some things over.

[lalaladucks]

The "No." was because you're wrong about me being scum and me being a fantastic vote.

[SilverWolf]

The "No." was because you're wrong about me being scum and me being a fantastic vote.

Way to crush his case on you!!

[lalaladucks]

omg ikr defence/10!!!

[House]

Central Hood:
Wake, Dragonspawn, Bookitty, Kitz, Egg

Bastion Hood:
Varsoon, Cheetory, Drixx, TSO

Content to add Drixx and TSO to the not Varsoon buddies you listed Egg.

VOTE: Kitz

Your turn House. You gets sheep's.

Baaaah

VOTE: Kitz

[lalaladucks]

But really, this is all I could find of Boon's case on me.

Can we lynch then scumfuck that is the Laduckie?

VOTE: lalalalalalalalalaladuck.

scumfuck rhymes with lalaladucks but that doesn't mean I am one mate.

Is Laladucks buddying me? I'm feeling rather odd right now. Constantly keeps bringing up town read and best friend claims on me. Constantly. As soon as I vote LaLa, LaLa unvotes and then switched to the person that I found scummy before LaLa. I don't know. Something's weird here.

In fact, I wasn't incessantly bringing up my townread on you, just commenting on the BF claim and then accepting it. Would you prefer I abstain from mentioning you at all?

Also, Lala's reaction looks like scum trying to derail a wagon by trying to put some pressure on a scum buddy to get genuine votes against it. They share pressure, and never has to worry about actually getting lynched.

Reaction to the Ozgin wagon I assume is what you refer to here. Well, Ozgin was town, like I thought so this has been proven wrong.

Coolbeans

Only one kill? Successful protect or something?

How many scum do you think were on Ozgin's wagon

Anen, I'm still town if you're wondering

This is why Lala's scum.

Oh, that case was so convincing you almost convinced me I'm scum!

Your vote on me is the most justified of them all!

(that was sarcasm just in case you didn't catch it)

[SilverWolf]

Boon doesn't seem to ever give good cases or any cases. WTF is up with that boonie?

I like to have reasons. Good ones. Not she's scum lulz, is it L-1 yet?, I'm BFF's with dragon you know, Ha!!

Still love ya boon <3

[Boonskiies]

My cases don't get good until post day 3. And by then, they are too good, and people don't take them seriously.

[Aneninen]

Before reading you, here are two thoughts.
(1) Varsoon flipped Mafia-JOAT. This means, the other Mafia team may have a JOAT too. In general, we should take all claims, especially JOATs with a grain of salt.
(2) Varsoon posted about House that he might be Ascetic. (I'll search for the reference if needed.) That's not an "obvious assumption". Unless someone in his Hood claimed Ascetic-whatever, which I doubt, someone at Red Mafia must have an Ascetic modifier. (Therefore, someone at the other Mafia team too?)

________

WHAT'S GUCCI EVERYONE!!!! I'M ALIVE!!! How do you like that, Taly?!?
VOTE: Taly

Only one kill? Not bad town.
VOTE: wolf

Any explanation for these votes?

Coolbeans
Only one kill? Successful protect or something?
How many scum do you think were on Ozgin's wagon
Anen, I'm still town if you're wondering

And that last sentence made me paranoid. I hadn't posted anything Today before that!!! Lalala knows nothing about me. I may be

Citizen

Vanilla (lol), Cop, Gunsmith, Jailkeeper, Whatever with any result on her. I may be even a member of any Mafia team or SK. (I'm not but noone could be sure about it now, unless investigating me.) But, she auto-assumes that my only concern is her alignment.

i) Varsoon says that he wants to fakeclaim masons with me. I said no because that's dumb.
ii) Said that he wasn't liking Ozgin so I told him to engage him with like a question or a vote or something.
iii) Said he wanted to bring focus. Then buddying galore on me q.q
iv) Said that he thought lala and Ozgin were on opposite scumteams.
v) Said he didn't like House's entry or anything surrounding him.
vi) Asking about how we felt about Ozginwagon. Said that TSO's naked jump on it was bad.
vii) Talking about Dragon being in a neighborhood.
viii) I talked to him a bit about TSO and he changed his read to be more null there. I don't think TSO is sided with Varsoon atm.
ix) Said he wanted to focus on Titus later on during the cycle or something?
x) Says that Titus has a good chance of being scum, but said there's a low chance of actually getting a wagon going there.
xi) Saying that he's suspicious of House. I think this suspicion also comes across as being genuine, so lazily going to lean House and Varsoon aren't scum together.
xii) Asked one of us to kill Titus. I said I would as long as he wouldn't suspect anyone in our PT of being scum.

(i) Dumb idea.
(ii) Why did you suggest him doing so?
(iii) Makes no sense.
(iv) I think Lala and Varsoon may be in opposite scumteams. ^_^
(v) House might be in the opposite scumteam (because of being a JOAT, see above!), but even so, he might have a useful result Today. By the way, for me it was obvious that Varsoon was JOAT too. I was wondering whether scums might have a JOAT but that's answered now.
(vi) It seems that he wanted to push his Neighbourhood for his own interests.
(vii) Irrelevant.
(viii) Neither do I.
(ix)/(x) Why Titus? We can't rule out that but is she our biggest concern now?
(xi) No doubt. He was Mafia-JOAT, see above!
(xii) I hope your Neighbourhood will confirm this later. Although I don't understand the point of this. Even if it was a joke, why didn't he ask you to kill House, in this case?

[Boonskiies]

i explained my taly read like three times already.

[lalaladucks]

And that last sentence made me paranoid. I hadn't posted anything Today before that!!! Lalala knows nothing about me. I may be

Citizen

Vanilla (lol), Cop, Gunsmith, Jailkeeper, Whatever with any result on her. I may be even a member of any Mafia team or SK. (I'm not but noone could be sure about it now, unless investigating me.) But, she auto-assumes that my only concern is her alignment.

:/
I said it because you seemed pretty confident I was scum yesterday and were the one pushing for my lynch the hardest (I think)

[Aneninen]

Also FA is good lead for Varsoonmate.
Lots of crappy soft interactions.
No actual read thrown at each other.
Gogogogo.

Can you show me those interactions?

Makes me think I am a threat to Varsoon, which suggests Kits scum.
(...)
I could compromise on FA.
(...)

Can you explain these?

Wtf? You probably should have told us that yesterday. That's like...blatantly scummy. Can you elaborate on FA? He slightly pinged my gut but I can't remember much about anything major.
Titus, why does that point to kitz?

Yeah, why didn't you tell it, Cheetory?

Note: Egg is reading the game in a very similar way as I do.

@Egg, I will suppose the "that" in the last post is wanting me dead. The question is why? I literally sent all of day 1 tunnelling town. How was I a threat to anyone with a scum wincon? I was even going to sheep House on Kits for day 2 If I lived, so why shoot me? If Kits is scum though....

Oic.

VOTE: laladucky
It's going to take a

lot

for me to move this vote (unless it's to Taly).
Wake me closer to deadline.
Also, Titus is highly likely scum, probably with lala. I'm not going to argue this right now.

The vote, Taly as a named alternative and scumreading Titus while voting for Lalala simply don't add up.

Lala, what happened to your Taly scum read you had? It just magically disappear now that you two are getting lumped together?

What happened to her Bookitty-read, as for this?

Baaaah
VOTE: Kitz

As I said, I don't know whether he's town or scum-JOAT, but regardless of his alignment, this vote may be sheep-able.
VOTE: Kitz

Willing to vote Lalala and Taly maybe, if needed.

[T S O]

Holy crap...@TSO, you know how paranoid you in the 4 person neighborhood with confirmed multiball and one scum flip in it makes me?

Yes! But on the laws of probability, it couldn't happen again

I actually somewhat agree with the other team (likely Blue) having a JOAT also? Because Varsoon's JOAT was pretty good.

[Boonskiies]

Holy crap...@TSO, you know how paranoid you in the 4 person neighborhood with confirmed multiball and one scum flip in it makes me?

Yes! But on the laws of probability, it couldn't happen again

I actually somewhat agree with the other team (likely Blue) having a JOAT also? Because Varsoon's JOAT was pretty good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

[dragonspawn]

Surprised it's taken so long for someone to question me on me.

Do you guys want more discussion and a chance for Oz to speak again before the day ends?

I have no objections to the hammer.

These two posts pinged me hard at the end of the day. This is not town wolf. Town wolf careful about lynching. She doesn't rush them. And she wouldn't be asking whether we should let him speak.again, she would.be insisting he claim before we hammer.

But she isn't. She is almost eager for the Hammer. Even odder considering she wasn't scum reading ozgin at the time.

And now she completely ignores my vote with her while posting an in-depth analysis of varsoon. Yeah this isnt feeling right at all.

[dragonspawn]

Cheet,

You should have agreed with him on fake claiming masons. Then had him do so and said, not at all.

[Wake1]

'Green Scat'

Scatophagus argus

Vote Count 2.01

Aneninen

Bookitty

Boonskiies

Cheetory6

DeltaWave

dragonspawn

Drixx

Egg

FA_Q2

Cheetory6

House

Kitz

Titus

,

House

,

Aneninen

lalaladucks

Prolapsed Brain

,

Boonskiies

Prolapsed Brain

RadiantCowbells

Silverwolf

dragonspawn

Skybird

Taly

Titus

T S O

Not Voting:

Bookitty

,

DeltaWave

,

Drixx

,

Egg

,

FA_Q2

,

Kitz

,

lalaladucks

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Silverwolf

,

Skybird

,

Taly

,

T S O

Spoiler: Information

VLA

Skybird

[05/26/15]

Taly

[05/29/15]

Natural Action Resolution

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.
The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.
All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

Rules OP

Link

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline is 06/07/15, @11PM CT.

(expired on 2015-06-07 23:00:00)

1.00 | 1.01 | 1.02 | 1.03 | 1.04 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 1.07 | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13
Ozgin Lynch & Flip
Varsoon Death & Flip
2.00 | 2.01 | 2.02 | 2.03 | 2.04 | 2.05
Titus Lynch & Flip
T S O and Aneninen Death & Flip
3.00 | 3.01 | 3.02 | 3.03 | 3.04 | 3.05 | 3.06 | 3.07 | 3.08

[lalaladucks]

Surprised it's taken so long for someone to question me on me.

Do you guys want more discussion and a chance for Oz to speak again before the day ends?

I have no objections to the hammer.

These two posts pinged me hard at the end of the day. This is not town wolf. Town wolf careful about lynching. She doesn't rush them. And she wouldn't be asking whether we should let him speak.again, she would.be insisting he claim before we hammer.

But she isn't. She is almost eager for the Hammer. Even odder considering she wasn't scum reading ozgin at the time.

And now she completely ignores my vote with her while posting an in-depth analysis of varsoon. Yeah this isnt feeling right at all.

yay someone sees what I mean when I say SW gives me scum vibes

[dragonspawn]

My read on wolf has nothing to do with you. Especially when you haven't given reasons for vibes. If you have a case post it. Don't try to ride coattails on mine.

[Drixx]

Coolbeans

Only one kill? Successful protect or something?

How many scum do you think were on Ozgin's wagon

Anen, I'm still town if you're wondering

The scum is strong in this post. I see JEEP's Gloating Tell in here with a little bit of "VCA is hard but I'll mention it in passing and maybe someone else will do it" and a little bit of proclaiming innocence for no real reason.

i) Varsoon says that he wants to fakeclaim masons with me. I said no because that's dumb.
ii) Said that he wasn't liking Ozgin so I told him to engage him with like a question or a vote or something.
iii) Said he wanted to bring focus. Then buddying galore on me q.q
iv) Said that he thought lala and Ozgin were on opposite scumteams.
v) Said he didn't like House's entry or anything surrounding him.
vi) Asking about how we felt about Ozginwagon. Said that TSO's naked jump on it was bad.
vii) Talking about Dragon being in a neighborhood.
viii) I talked to him a bit about TSO and he changed his read to be more null there. I don't think TSO is sided with Varsoon atm.
ix) Said he wanted to focus on Titus later on during the cycle or something?
x) Says that Titus has a good chance of being scum, but said there's a low chance of actually getting a wagon going there.
xi) Saying that he's suspicious of House. I think this suspicion also comes across as being genuine, so lazily going to lean House and Varsoon aren't scum together.
xii) Asked one of us to kill Titus. I said I would as long as he wouldn't suspect anyone in our PT of being scum.

And then he died.
I think that's mostly everything. Drixx or TSO can correct me if I missed anything or messed something up. They probably won't though because they aint even here.

That's a fair retelling. Varsoon also gave me tons of crap for having a sudden V/LA come up, and was basically positioning to paint me as scum in the neighborhood. In hindsight perhaps he was seeing if Cheetory or TSO would bite as a test before bringing it to the thread? That last thing appeared to be a joke at the time, but with Varsoon flipping scum maybe he was trying to give himself cover or ... it read like a joke when I read it after Ozgin was lynched.

As in he said that one of us should kill you and I joked that I said I would?

Confirming that the interaction looked like a joke from both of them.

Cheetory feel free to be dick to me. I still cannot believe that Ozgin was town. At least my Varsoon read was right though.

There's not likely to be another red scum in Varsoon's hood (but it is not impossible), just due to odds. Anyone who is in that hood, sharing his stances and positions would be good so we can review them.

Maybe not likely but we shouldn't just dismiss the chance outright. Or are we forgetting wakes fire and ice where we had an entire team of ice scum in a hood?

I would heavily caution against making any assumptions about neighborhoods at all, really.