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In post 2043, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Still waiting for Aero to be lynched.
BBT why are you avoiding what I asked you?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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@Garmr/everyone else
Ok, this is something BBT said about fire yesterday and it made a lot of sense to me.
In post 1495, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Obvious bussing. Even gives himself a reason to jump off by 'looking into them both more later'. He had already done a 'bit of reading' and decided Dave was a good vote.
In post 1419, Firebringer wrote:
I vote Dave cause gamr wasn't pinging scum to me so went for next best thing
Making his vote look weak so he can easily backtrack from it.
In post 1421, Firebringer wrote:Hmmm UNVOTE: davesaz
This wagon isn't that good either.
I am getting town from davesaz most.
While gamr is more active most of his content is well lackluster. I don't think it is really coming from scum though.
I don't really like either of these tbh.
Feels like two wagons on town.
Now he is getting town from Dave? Where did this come from? Unfortunately, Fire was so generic and vague about his reads that it's hard to criticize them. It does show a very clear lack of read progression though.
Looking to hop on Garmr if presented with the opportunity of just Garmr or Dave.
In post 1456, Firebringer wrote:I don't know who to vote!!!!
Someone give me compelling case in either.
This is frustrating neither appear scummy.
Acting like nobody had provided reasons for either Dave or Garmr being scum.
Can we speed lynch this?
The thing that really seems off to me about it is this post where he literally goes from voting Davesaz, to saying he's his strongest townread in the form of "I'm getting town from davesaz the most".
In addition to being really weird about the dave wagon, here was his reason for joining dragonspawn/ronit
In post 1752, Firebringer wrote:ronit behavior is scummy and we lynch all liars in my town!
VOTE: Ronit
Today he's been pushing me all day. So have a few people, whatever, but then now he's saying that i'm just a null read. When asked if hehadscum reads, he says no. I just feel like it's strange now two weeks after replacing into this game he just doesn't have scum reads.
If you look through his entire ISO, not once does he callanyoneremotely scummy except for Ronit. I suppose he called Titus's vote opportunistic one time, but she's now in his town reads so I suppose it just doesn't matter to him. Instead of pushing people and taking stances, he simply states his town reads and just jumps on whatever wagon he sees fit.
These posts especially make me feel like he's just trying to pushsome wagonin order to get to night.
Spoiler: Fire pushing wagons over people
More often than not he's either saying "Oh bother I just don't knowwhatto do!" or "Hmm which wagon suits me best", and it just looks to me like he's actively avoiding taking any sort of major stance on anything. He's even pushing for my lynch without committing to saying I'm scum. He's just trying to cover himself for tomorrow.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2213, Titus wrote:@Aero, you're up. PR or VT.
PR, hence why I seriously hinted yesterday that I would not be lynched.
Personally, I'd say there's a really good chance of scum being within Key, Titus, Hermit. Those three people look the worst to me.
I need to also re look at Boon though; usually if he makes it to this point in the game he because active/helpful but that's not the case here so maybe I'm wrong about him.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 269, Aeronaut wrote:Um I might possible be a tad drunk so I may totally claim my double bulletproofcop-mason role in this post
In post 207, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You don't think I have provided reasons for my reversal of read on Dragon?
Also, a read and a vote onto a wagon are two different things. PB went against the wagon, stating he was ignoring it and I should feel bad for pushing it. Then he joins the wagon I'm pushing and doesn't explain the reversal in his read.
I explained the reversal. PB did not explain his reversal. There is a huge difference in both of our actions.
Can you vote PB now?
I don't really know why I should vote PB besides that thing he did which you also did.
In post 223, Garmr wrote:In post 181, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 178, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 102, RadiantCowbells wrote:Spreading awareness of a tell decreases it's value.
I'd rather keep this one for myself.
You would rather weasel out of explaining anything at all.
That is, inherrently, anti town at best.
VOTE: RC
Share what you have or don't bother posting it.
What the fuck did you just say to me you little shit?
I'll have you know I'm the top scumhunter in the entire MafiaScum and have over 300 confirmed scum lynches.
I'm extensively trained in VCA and have conducted numerous secret raids on the Werewolves.
You are nothing to me but anotherhated townie.
I did something like this to crumb a hated role once are you crumbing one?
Oh jeeze don't be asking for people's roles
In post 232, Garmr wrote:In post 227, Bellaphant wrote:@kitty - like what? 'Coz that wasn't it. Who is your no1 lynch rn?
@Gamr, can you explain about your comment on associative before a flip?
Already answered that in my post right after maybe read my iso
Also if you say things like this when people ask you for clarifications then I'm going to policy lynch you.
In post 234, Shazam wrote:In post 161, Keyser Söze wrote:
Do you still stand by your first reason for voting dragonspawn? Or has his defensive-reactions added to your scum-read of him?
Both.
In post 186, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 160, Shazam wrote:This kind of defensiveness is hard to read because it's at the very least anti-town.
Why is defensiveness anti-town?
This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.
In what way is it a misrep? Sorry, just not getting that.
In post 237, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 234, Shazam wrote:
This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.
Wanna fight?
Being defensive is not scummy, nor is it anti-town. For you to suggest such things is absurd. People interpret posts differently...that's kind of the point of online Mafia. If everyone interpreted posts in the same away there would be no discussion. So no, 'misinterpreting' as you put it is not deceptive and it's not illogical and as stated earlier being defensive is not scummy.
Eh, depends on really the situation. Like some kind of defensiveness is natural and makes sense in the context of the ISO of whoever is posting, but other times it seems "off" or unwarrented. People who go around yelling "THAT GUY IS DEFENSIVE HE'S A SCUMBLE" at every person who picks apart their own wagon are silly. However, that's a lot different than noticing someone being overly defensive for not quite a lot of threat, eg what happened earlygame with dragon.
In post 242, Garmr wrote:I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb
This is the other reason I'm choosing to keep my vote where it is... I feel like Dragon is smart usually and he's just being either naive or obtuse in this game and I can't figure out which. I feel like it's obtuse.
In post 252, RadiantCowbells wrote:Don't really agree is putting it mildly.
If I post my tell here everyone will start being conscious of it, and will make it useless.
Yea, the observer effect.
Where did he give into any pressure? I may be just tired but I guess I missed that happening
In post 256, Garmr wrote:Kling are you town or scum
Solid questioning
In post 261, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, I was making a joke based off of what someone in my neighbour hood said.
Don't worry about it.
Lol I've decided I love playing with you
Sorry for any mispellings / nonsensicle sentences in there. I think I'm sobered up but who the heck knows at this point
Dragon what are your reads right now? You seem to be like voting a hundred times and It's confusing as hell2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2326, Titus wrote:In post 2316, Aeronaut wrote:I crumbed BP because I figured that it's going to be really helpful nightkill-wise later into the game, which it's going to me.
Also, should probably also note that Pisskop said that I won't know when one of my shots is used up.
The ideal time to say BP is after you are shot. Not before unless lylo.
We're role claiming. And it's safe to assume we're in LYLO at this point, so....2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2331, Titus wrote:In post 2328, Aeronaut wrote:In post 2326, Titus wrote:In post 2316, Aeronaut wrote:I crumbed BP because I figured that it's going to be really helpful nightkill-wise later into the game, which it's going to me.
Also, should probably also note that Pisskop said that I won't know when one of my shots is used up.
The ideal time to say BP is after you are shot. Not before unless lylo.
We're role claiming. And it's safe to assume we're in LYLO at this point, so....
I meant crumbling BP after shot there. Sorry for not being clear.
Yea, but Pisskop told me on D1 thatI would not knowif I was shot, therefore it's really best to crumb sooner than later for me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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The double voter makes me think that we have a serial killer instead of two scum teams. Think about it; there's onlyonefrom what we've seen. There's zero chance that just one scum team has a double voting ability. Doesn't it make a lot more sense to you for there to be an SK that has that ability?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2339, Titus wrote:I think the DV balances the one shot cop joat but Ank and Aero do have a point.
Yet why would scum have a cop if they are the only ones it would be positive to. Would scum joat really balance a DV?
Can you not investigate an SK?
@Aero, if there's a missing kill, that's when I would have. If scum did not shoot you, then they likely shot other scum.
Will keep in mind. Idk, I never know when to crumb stuff.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2344, Titus wrote:
I find it odd when I question tracking the DV, you're thinking single scumteam but said nothing during my vca statement (saying I was stating my vca required the assumption of two scumteams).
I did. I think I literally said "Why are we assuming that it's two scum teams"2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2350, Titus wrote:In post 2347, Aeronaut wrote:Ok, I have a rather straightforward question to ask of all of you.
@Everyone What do you think of SCtH right now, and his slot during the game. Is he town, is he scum, and why?
I'd like an answer from everyone before we do anything. This is important to me.
Single scum, he has the inuyasha problem. Everyone died who suspected him. Multiscum, I would expect one team to suspect him. Yet that didn't happen, so I am a little perplexed.
Yet, he"s an easy Mislynch bait as town and people do not like him.
This is how I feel about Kitty, currently.
In post 2369, Boonskiies wrote:I just don't really have anything to say. Not many people are posting.
Really not sure if this is Boon trolling or Boon literally not having read this game once. Maybe both. I really don't know what to think of him anymore, especially since I've never seen his scum game before. Need to look into some meta, maybe.
In post 2384, Boonskiies wrote:Titus, vote Ank. Duppin, you should too. KG, vote Ank also, and I won't hammer you if you go to L-1. St Const...you should also. There. Then we'd have 5.
What. Why.
In post 2398, Titus wrote:*Forgot the rest of Kitty
She has textbook double voter timing presence, was on during Day 4 and OK with that lynch, yet brings up stale reads to push me. She's hyper secure in surviving ATM.
Can you elaborate on some more of the the "textbook double voter" timing presence? If you already did something extensive and I'm missing it just link me.
In post 2400, Boonskiies wrote:It's kitty/Ank, and then probably one of duppin/keysor
Key is pretty conftown at this point with that claim, tbh. Unless there for some reason was just an Odd-night Vig and not an even one. Which I suppose COULD happen.
In post 2402, duppin wrote:Alright, caught up.
To be honest, nothing has really changed. I do like a lot of what Titus has said today, but I could still see her be aligned with dave.
Anyway, not interested in Keysor, Ank or Aeronaut today.
I'd like to hear from the Hermit slot (Performer).
Oh and I would still lynch between Kitty, Titus, Boon and Hermit (in no particular order).
Hold on, in this post you go from saying you like a lot of what Titus has said today, to like two sentences down saying she's in your lynch pool? In what world does that make any sense?
Ok, the thing that'sreallybothering me about the Hermit slot here is that there's a lot of people saying "Oh yea he's suspicious!" but very few people willing to actually go through and lynch him at this point.
So I'm planning on voting him. I understand I asked what people thought of him and some of you replied, but really a lot of people didn't.
Because of that, I'm going to revise this question;Why DON'T you want to lynch him today?I, too, do want to see what performer is going to say, but honestly I really find it hard to believe I personally am going to be swayed against that lynch today.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Oh this is exciting.
In post 2416, Performer wrote:I found it to be unrealistic to look through all 90+ pages before day 5 deadline, compose a comprehensible reads list, and post it in a timely manner. So I decided to read from page 90 and beyond. Here’s my general reads list.
Town:
Titus– plenty of scumhunting
Boon– feels town = 2227 and other posts, look like he is pro-town
You literally aren't saying anything here... Titus is scum hunting. That's it? Where? With who?
What looks town about Boon's 2227?
Null:
Keys– 2251 and other posts, look like he is pro-town . See some scumhunting from him but 2297 doesn’t add up, compared to page 1 total amount of players. What’s going on with that, Keys?
Claimed to be Even-night Vig
Ank
Duppin– thought Kitty/Titus/Boon/Hermit could be lynchable. Claimed to be Vig Enabler
Besides Key, you literally just didn't say anything about Ank, and for Duppin you state two random facts and don't say any more on the matter. This doesn't tell us anything about what YOU think, it's just regurgitated.
Scummy:
Kitty– 2280, just what are you trying to accomplish here? Only town left? That’s impossible
Therefore, based on that one post and not any other part of the game, Kitty is scum?
Aero– claimed to be Two-shot BP Town in 2305. Anyone else think that’s a little overpowered even for a large game, therefore making it sound like a fake claim? 2404 about him doubting there being an Even-night Vig even though an Odd-night Vig died, doesn’t feel right
Yes, because 2-shot bulletproof is so overpowered. 2404 also isn't about me doubting an Even-night-vig.. it's me literally telling boon that it doesn't make a lot of sense to be doubting that claim with a flipped Odd-night vig. I still beleive it COULD be possible for Pisskop to do that to us, but it's highly unlikely at this point and I don't really care to pursue that now, or ever really.
Your reads list is comprised of things like "This post feels town", and "___ is scum hunting", random facts that don't really correlate, and selective posts from each person. I get that you don't want to read 90 pages, but this is really a very lazy and fence-sitty reads list. You're scum, trying to get SOMETHING out there.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Here's the deal; we have four days left and Hermit/Performer is who we're lynching. I'm pretty sure he's scum at this point, and that empty readlist combined with the fact that it's taken this long for anyone to try to push this guy shouldreallytell you all you need to know.
VOTE: Performer
That's what I'm doing today. If you're smart, then you should be doing it right along with me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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In post 2425, Ankamius wrote:Aeronaut, you shouldn't expect anything from Constantine. I've never seen him do anything in games.
Ok, but I also don't like what Performer has posted. I don't like what his other slots posted. So that's enough for me, and again should be enough for you.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 2430, Ankamius wrote:I didn't say anything about the rest of your post for a reason, Aero.
So you should be fine with voting him today.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
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- Joined: September 8, 2013
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- Location: Boston, MA